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i.s.o. Volume 2 bonus story (In Search Of Hidden Treasure)
Posted 14 years agoGreetings all.
So let's clear out some of those entries.
At any rate, with the release of i.s.o. Vol 1, I was used to getting feedback (good and bad, honestly) over Livejournal. However, perhaps since the Vol 1 bonus story had a guest author (
ArmoredCarp), people seemed shyer about discussing that storyline on LJ... but starting a thread here on FA got more comments.
I realize it's only been a monthish since the release, but it seems plenty of people have mentioned buying Vol 2 online through Sofawolf. So, I just thought I'd see if anyone had any comments on the bonus story, penned by R. Smith (who currently has no FA account). Thumbs up? Thumbs down? I'm honestly quite curious since it was a different author and it had no online preview before its release. It's purposely unrelated to the main story and another attempt at a completely adventure-based romp. I won't deny I was a tad rushed to meet the deadline, but I think it works better read at once than the piecemeal way I had to create it (tax season and all).
Anyone? Anyone? Thanks!
Vince
So let's clear out some of those entries.
At any rate, with the release of i.s.o. Vol 1, I was used to getting feedback (good and bad, honestly) over Livejournal. However, perhaps since the Vol 1 bonus story had a guest author (
ArmoredCarp), people seemed shyer about discussing that storyline on LJ... but starting a thread here on FA got more comments.I realize it's only been a monthish since the release, but it seems plenty of people have mentioned buying Vol 2 online through Sofawolf. So, I just thought I'd see if anyone had any comments on the bonus story, penned by R. Smith (who currently has no FA account). Thumbs up? Thumbs down? I'm honestly quite curious since it was a different author and it had no online preview before its release. It's purposely unrelated to the main story and another attempt at a completely adventure-based romp. I won't deny I was a tad rushed to meet the deadline, but I think it works better read at once than the piecemeal way I had to create it (tax season and all).
Anyone? Anyone? Thanks!
Vince
I'm a fox, but...
Posted 14 years ago...how else should I be, based on my behavior and actions and your thoughts of how you know me?
I don't usually do memes, as you know, but I like this one, and I've discussed this more on LJ but not here.
For years I had a feline avatar of some sort, initially a more generic tabby (akin to Kevin in the Class Menagerie), then of course the namesake for this account. I love cats and I identified fairly well with them, particularly in being fairly solitary troublemakers who lie around a lot. I chose Cody as an avatar purely because he was my only recurring cat character at the time, and he was a lot of fun to draw; he didn't actually ACT like me.
I then switched over to a fox a few years ago, possibly the most long-lasting effect of my relationship with my ex at the time. They're not far off cats, also being cute, fluffy little mischievous brats. The fox IS sometimes called the cat-like canid. But once again I had an avatar I could MATCH physically. (And it had nothing to do with the fox's reputation in the fandom, which FWIW is not at all based on the real animal, thank you ;-p)
In addition it was a sign of a transition. I had gone from being gleefully lazy and rather antisocial to...well, at least consciously working my way out of being so. I honestly feel more relaxed and open now than I ever did in my kitty phase. Considering Cody's development in my comic, you could say I want to leave that brooding closeted aspect of me behind.
The thing is, a lot of my long-time friends still identify me with being a cat (notably, people who've not dated me ;-p). People who have known me more recently agree with the fox. So I'm just posting this here to see what you people think.
[ganked initially from
tkc2021]
Still trying to catch up and recover, but definitely doing better!
I don't usually do memes, as you know, but I like this one, and I've discussed this more on LJ but not here.
For years I had a feline avatar of some sort, initially a more generic tabby (akin to Kevin in the Class Menagerie), then of course the namesake for this account. I love cats and I identified fairly well with them, particularly in being fairly solitary troublemakers who lie around a lot. I chose Cody as an avatar purely because he was my only recurring cat character at the time, and he was a lot of fun to draw; he didn't actually ACT like me.
I then switched over to a fox a few years ago, possibly the most long-lasting effect of my relationship with my ex at the time. They're not far off cats, also being cute, fluffy little mischievous brats. The fox IS sometimes called the cat-like canid. But once again I had an avatar I could MATCH physically. (And it had nothing to do with the fox's reputation in the fandom, which FWIW is not at all based on the real animal, thank you ;-p)
In addition it was a sign of a transition. I had gone from being gleefully lazy and rather antisocial to...well, at least consciously working my way out of being so. I honestly feel more relaxed and open now than I ever did in my kitty phase. Considering Cody's development in my comic, you could say I want to leave that brooding closeted aspect of me behind.
The thing is, a lot of my long-time friends still identify me with being a cat (notably, people who've not dated me ;-p). People who have known me more recently agree with the fox. So I'm just posting this here to see what you people think.
[ganked initially from
tkc2021]Still trying to catch up and recover, but definitely doing better!
Art Questionnaire.
Posted 15 years ago1. What are elements of your style?
I was actually wondering if people had comments here. I've been told my style is quite recognizeable and I get "hey, you're that Class Menagerie guy" quite often still, even though I thought I'd altered my style a lot since then o.0 I know my pencils (and inks to a lesser extent) tend to be kinda sketchy and scribbly. I favor relatively broad, short body proportions, with long torsos and short legs (probably comes from being AZN), and often with bulky snouts on the faces. Obviously I'm known for creative panel layouting.... I also like multi-character group shots, but I don't do well with backgrounds.
Dunno, what makes me recognizeable? At times I've considered drawing...special art under an alternate handle, but I've been told my style is too distinctive for that.
2. Have you had formal training? (e.g., college, personal instructor, etc.)
I took a couple classes here and there...that's about it.
3. Was it useful or did you find it better to learn on your own?
They were good for teaching things like materials techniques, or technical things like perspective and lighting. Most of the anatomy stuff, though, is self-taught. Naturally hardly anybody has actual classes on comics or cartooning. One thing I always like to tell new artists is drawing fanart is a great way to learn, since you're working with characters designed by people who know what they're doing; the trick is to interpret, not just trace. So I kinda reached the weird conclusion that basically Rule 34 is a great learning tool. XD
4. What are your tools of the trade?
Plain Dixon Ticonderoga #2's, plus Micron Pigmas and varying black-fill markers, usually on bristol or comic board.
Colors are usually with Primsacolor markers.
I've got a Bamboo tablet that I'm trying to learn.
5. Would you, or do you work on art for a living?
I don't. I think I'd like to, but I'm not sure. I know a number of people who do, and their personal art output drops when they're working full time. It might kill all my other creativity. Kinda moot since it won't happen, though.
6. Do you know another artist who would fill this out?
Well,
emorottie and 
artdecade already have, so.... oh wait, was that not what you were asking?
I was actually wondering if people had comments here. I've been told my style is quite recognizeable and I get "hey, you're that Class Menagerie guy" quite often still, even though I thought I'd altered my style a lot since then o.0 I know my pencils (and inks to a lesser extent) tend to be kinda sketchy and scribbly. I favor relatively broad, short body proportions, with long torsos and short legs (probably comes from being AZN), and often with bulky snouts on the faces. Obviously I'm known for creative panel layouting.... I also like multi-character group shots, but I don't do well with backgrounds.
Dunno, what makes me recognizeable? At times I've considered drawing...special art under an alternate handle, but I've been told my style is too distinctive for that.
2. Have you had formal training? (e.g., college, personal instructor, etc.)
I took a couple classes here and there...that's about it.
3. Was it useful or did you find it better to learn on your own?
They were good for teaching things like materials techniques, or technical things like perspective and lighting. Most of the anatomy stuff, though, is self-taught. Naturally hardly anybody has actual classes on comics or cartooning. One thing I always like to tell new artists is drawing fanart is a great way to learn, since you're working with characters designed by people who know what they're doing; the trick is to interpret, not just trace. So I kinda reached the weird conclusion that basically Rule 34 is a great learning tool. XD
4. What are your tools of the trade?
Plain Dixon Ticonderoga #2's, plus Micron Pigmas and varying black-fill markers, usually on bristol or comic board.
Colors are usually with Primsacolor markers.
I've got a Bamboo tablet that I'm trying to learn.
5. Would you, or do you work on art for a living?
I don't. I think I'd like to, but I'm not sure. I know a number of people who do, and their personal art output drops when they're working full time. It might kill all my other creativity. Kinda moot since it won't happen, though.
6. Do you know another artist who would fill this out?
Well,
emorottie and 
artdecade already have, so.... oh wait, was that not what you were asking? Beefcake backlash.
Posted 15 years agoOkay, so it's not exactly a secret that I've got a thing for muscly guys, and this sorta spilled over into my comic i.s.o. (and yeah, to a large extent, the Class Menagerie too). And I am well aware not everyone else does, honestly.
But I find it somewhat frustrating that I've heard some people simply won't read i.s.o. because there's "too much beef." Sure, the comic is not for everyone, lord knows the Furry Gay College Comic is a well-tread path. Still, seriously? The beef? So, like, does that mean they also won't watch any movies/television shows/music videos, because 90% of the women featured are just as above-average in body type as my characters are? Oh, right, I forgot that it's okay to force artifical physical standards on women [sarcasm].
The fact is, unlike some comics (yes, even The CM), the beef factor is an actual legitimate plot point of i.s.o. As a coming of age story, Cody has serious issues with being gay versus appearing typically "masculine", and he's overcompensated with his size out of fear of having the crap beaten out of him. He then spends the comic not only learning that being gay may or may not be related to his (or anyone else's) appearance, but that he's affected his ability to make first impressions with his excess shows of testosterone, and now he has to undo that damage.
I suppose I take these criticisms a little personally because Cody's physical psychoses are somewhat autobiographical. No, no, I don't LOOK anything like him (don't I wish!)...if anything, I fit the gay stereotype rather well (shrimpy, thin, squeaky voice) and I had a lot more to want to hide. I can assure you that growing up, the fear of "looking" gay can severely affect one's social growth. Through early grade school, I was an extremely outgoing kid, but I withdrew considerably from social circles during middle school through college. Fretting about your strange inner desires is an excellent way to isolate yourself, lemme tell you. Friends can't suspect you of being different if you don't let them get close. Cody merely chose a more aggressive way of keeping everyone at bay than I did. He and I had the same conclusion: being gay AND weak is a fatal combination, we just dealt with it differently. I'd like to think it's different for gay kids growing up now, but I certainly doubt it is for ALL of them.
Anyway, getting back to Cody...yeah, there's a pretty high number of fit characters in my comic--as the *leads*. I've been told it's an unrealistic percentage, even though the backgrounds are filled with perfectly normal-sized incidentals everywhere.
It's been my understanding that *generally*, athletic guys tend to hang around with other athletic guys. It's also not at all uncommon for athletic gay males to be attracted to other athletic males...I'd say at the very least, this is the case the majority of the time. So, I chose a lead who is a bodybuilding football player/martial artist. And his best friend is, shockingly, another bodybuilder (his gym buddy). Over the course of the story, there is significant sexual tension for Cody with three other guys who are all in terrific shape (okay, okay, I will grant you it's a massive coincidence that he ends up accidentally *rooming* with one, fine, but everyone else lives elsewhere ) And the main nemesis in the story seems to be the one guy who doesn't fear Cody (since Cody's *smaller*).
Yet from the sound of the feedback, it'd be somehow MORE realistic for Cody to be best buds with a rotund basement-dwelling fanboy geek, and then be lusting after a bunch of 90-pound skinny jeans-clad twinks? Because with Cody's lifestyle, there wouldn't be anyone else athletic around a 25,000-student campus that he would gravitate towards or relate to. Uh-huh.
Basically, I guess what I did wrong was choose a beefy character to be the lead in the first place! After all, we all know jocks can't possibly have lives other than being sidekicks, bullies, or superheroes.
Dunno. I'm rambling, this is something I've wanted to get off my chest for some time. I worked hard to make something which is unquestionably for a bit of a niche market...I was just hoping it'd spill over a little beyond that. Ah well. I'm not sorry I did what I did. Can't stop me from venting a little, no?
Meh, this is like the fourth time I've tried rewriting this. I didn't get much sleep last night and somehow my fuzzy brain decided it was a good idea to finish it now. I might delete this when I've slept better @.@
But I find it somewhat frustrating that I've heard some people simply won't read i.s.o. because there's "too much beef." Sure, the comic is not for everyone, lord knows the Furry Gay College Comic is a well-tread path. Still, seriously? The beef? So, like, does that mean they also won't watch any movies/television shows/music videos, because 90% of the women featured are just as above-average in body type as my characters are? Oh, right, I forgot that it's okay to force artifical physical standards on women [sarcasm].
The fact is, unlike some comics (yes, even The CM), the beef factor is an actual legitimate plot point of i.s.o. As a coming of age story, Cody has serious issues with being gay versus appearing typically "masculine", and he's overcompensated with his size out of fear of having the crap beaten out of him. He then spends the comic not only learning that being gay may or may not be related to his (or anyone else's) appearance, but that he's affected his ability to make first impressions with his excess shows of testosterone, and now he has to undo that damage.
I suppose I take these criticisms a little personally because Cody's physical psychoses are somewhat autobiographical. No, no, I don't LOOK anything like him (don't I wish!)...if anything, I fit the gay stereotype rather well (shrimpy, thin, squeaky voice) and I had a lot more to want to hide. I can assure you that growing up, the fear of "looking" gay can severely affect one's social growth. Through early grade school, I was an extremely outgoing kid, but I withdrew considerably from social circles during middle school through college. Fretting about your strange inner desires is an excellent way to isolate yourself, lemme tell you. Friends can't suspect you of being different if you don't let them get close. Cody merely chose a more aggressive way of keeping everyone at bay than I did. He and I had the same conclusion: being gay AND weak is a fatal combination, we just dealt with it differently. I'd like to think it's different for gay kids growing up now, but I certainly doubt it is for ALL of them.
Anyway, getting back to Cody...yeah, there's a pretty high number of fit characters in my comic--as the *leads*. I've been told it's an unrealistic percentage, even though the backgrounds are filled with perfectly normal-sized incidentals everywhere.
It's been my understanding that *generally*, athletic guys tend to hang around with other athletic guys. It's also not at all uncommon for athletic gay males to be attracted to other athletic males...I'd say at the very least, this is the case the majority of the time. So, I chose a lead who is a bodybuilding football player/martial artist. And his best friend is, shockingly, another bodybuilder (his gym buddy). Over the course of the story, there is significant sexual tension for Cody with three other guys who are all in terrific shape (okay, okay, I will grant you it's a massive coincidence that he ends up accidentally *rooming* with one, fine, but everyone else lives elsewhere ) And the main nemesis in the story seems to be the one guy who doesn't fear Cody (since Cody's *smaller*).
Yet from the sound of the feedback, it'd be somehow MORE realistic for Cody to be best buds with a rotund basement-dwelling fanboy geek, and then be lusting after a bunch of 90-pound skinny jeans-clad twinks? Because with Cody's lifestyle, there wouldn't be anyone else athletic around a 25,000-student campus that he would gravitate towards or relate to. Uh-huh.
Basically, I guess what I did wrong was choose a beefy character to be the lead in the first place! After all, we all know jocks can't possibly have lives other than being sidekicks, bullies, or superheroes.
Dunno. I'm rambling, this is something I've wanted to get off my chest for some time. I worked hard to make something which is unquestionably for a bit of a niche market...I was just hoping it'd spill over a little beyond that. Ah well. I'm not sorry I did what I did. Can't stop me from venting a little, no?
Meh, this is like the fourth time I've tried rewriting this. I didn't get much sleep last night and somehow my fuzzy brain decided it was a good idea to finish it now. I might delete this when I've slept better @.@
Thanks for your input :-)
Posted 15 years agoI've been trying to get some feedback on the bonus story in i.s.o. Volume 1. Can't seem to get any, even though it's now been for sale at FC and AC.
C'mon, anyone? Anyone? It could be helpful if you want some input on how the next story will go for Volume 2.
Thx in advance.
Also, a note here that my boyfriend is visiting for the next three weeks, so my online time will be spotty. But if you're going to San Diego Comiccon, we'll be there for Thursday/Friday!
C'mon, anyone? Anyone? It could be helpful if you want some input on how the next story will go for Volume 2.
Thx in advance.
Also, a note here that my boyfriend is visiting for the next three weeks, so my online time will be spotty. But if you're going to San Diego Comiccon, we'll be there for Thursday/Friday!
Shameless plugs again: i.s.o. Volume 1.
Posted 16 years agoFinally available for order online through Sofawolf (though I see some of you already noticed!)
http://www.sofawolf.com/catalog/pro.....roducts_id=112
Issues 1 - 5 (which are mostly sold out), Chapter 0 intro, full length (32 page) never before published bonus story featuring guest author, unrelated to main plotline. 208 pages, $17.95 plus shipping.
This is NOT the usual online vendor. I may see if other vendors (ie Rabbit Valley) are interested in carrying too.
Thanks for your interest and patience
Vince
http://www.sofawolf.com/catalog/pro.....roducts_id=112
Issues 1 - 5 (which are mostly sold out), Chapter 0 intro, full length (32 page) never before published bonus story featuring guest author, unrelated to main plotline. 208 pages, $17.95 plus shipping.
This is NOT the usual online vendor. I may see if other vendors (ie Rabbit Valley) are interested in carrying too.
Thanks for your interest and patience
Vince
Okay, you asked. It's ready.
Posted 16 years agoOfficial launch for the i.s.o. archives, goodness knows how many months late:
http://www.hirezfox.com/isoarchives/
Purposely no-frills archives, Mon/Weds/Fri updates, like a webcomic. I wanted a backlog of pages available, so issues 1 - 2 are already up, with Issue 3 in progress.
The original website, http://www.cwcomics.com , is still intended mainly as an informational site for the current issues, so you do not need to use that if you just want to see the archives.
For everyone who's been asking; I will NOT be doing individual reprints of old issues, only graphic novel compilations (the first one set for release Jan 2010). But these archives will be available for free indefinitely.
Thanks for everyone's support. If you have wanted to point people to an, um, OFFICIAL site, here it is...
Many props to the folks at hirezfox for hosting it, and my bf for figuring out how it works ^ ^;;;
http://www.hirezfox.com/isoarchives/
Purposely no-frills archives, Mon/Weds/Fri updates, like a webcomic. I wanted a backlog of pages available, so issues 1 - 2 are already up, with Issue 3 in progress.
The original website, http://www.cwcomics.com , is still intended mainly as an informational site for the current issues, so you do not need to use that if you just want to see the archives.
For everyone who's been asking; I will NOT be doing individual reprints of old issues, only graphic novel compilations (the first one set for release Jan 2010). But these archives will be available for free indefinitely.
Thanks for everyone's support. If you have wanted to point people to an, um, OFFICIAL site, here it is...
Many props to the folks at hirezfox for hosting it, and my bf for figuring out how it works ^ ^;;;
The topic du jour.
Posted 17 years agoI have my own thoughts on the whole furries as pr0n artists topic, which would undoubtedly get lost in the mix.
So I just have a simple question, for my own edification:
I have...I don't know how many images in this gallery, I'm too lazy to count now. Plus several years' archvies of a clean webcomic, and a current run of a comic book. I know much of it is aimed to tease and is certainly not always fully clothed, but generally is strictly PG-13. While I do some pinups, I'd like to think a good deal of what I draw (mainly in the comic and for-sale image area) has at least some attempt at forethought and stretching layout boundaries.
But... I can't deny I do have a handful of adult images in this gallery--which generally have unusually high pageviews, relatively speaking. So, how many of you are watching strictly because of those (as in you'd never seen any of my work prior to that), and not the clean stuff?
And please be honest I'm not out to rail on anyone or anything, I'm really quite curious. I'd be lying if I said I had never watched someone because of one particular image I found on a friends' Favorite list.
[edit: Yikes! Aheh. Hokay, I'm not asking why you ARE watching, just seeing who caught wind of me due to the adult pieces...y'all are very kind and I appreciate it, but now I feel like I was trolling for compliments. ^ ^;; I'm more trying to make a point, in that there ARE furry artists out there who have and still DO build a reasonable reputation without porn.]
So I just have a simple question, for my own edification:
I have...I don't know how many images in this gallery, I'm too lazy to count now. Plus several years' archvies of a clean webcomic, and a current run of a comic book. I know much of it is aimed to tease and is certainly not always fully clothed, but generally is strictly PG-13. While I do some pinups, I'd like to think a good deal of what I draw (mainly in the comic and for-sale image area) has at least some attempt at forethought and stretching layout boundaries.
But... I can't deny I do have a handful of adult images in this gallery--which generally have unusually high pageviews, relatively speaking. So, how many of you are watching strictly because of those (as in you'd never seen any of my work prior to that), and not the clean stuff?
And please be honest I'm not out to rail on anyone or anything, I'm really quite curious. I'd be lying if I said I had never watched someone because of one particular image I found on a friends' Favorite list.
[edit: Yikes! Aheh. Hokay, I'm not asking why you ARE watching, just seeing who caught wind of me due to the adult pieces...y'all are very kind and I appreciate it, but now I feel like I was trolling for compliments. ^ ^;; I'm more trying to make a point, in that there ARE furry artists out there who have and still DO build a reasonable reputation without porn.]
Hard to stomach?
Posted 17 years agoHey all, sorry I've been scarce. Work + furnishing a condo = artless Vince. Thx for all the watches and stuff, I really wish I had more things to upload right now. Heh, and due to the way I navigate, I keep missing the shoutbox on the main page =X
Anyway, I'm just posting a tame little fetish minddump until I can get more art done.
So it's probably not escaped anyone's notice that I remove shirts from my characters as often as possible, while I tend to keep the rest of their bodies relatively clothed. And much of the reason why is, for lack of a better term, I have a bit of a tummy fetish =X
I don't mean that in nearly in...how do I put it, as actively nawtee as the term implies, but it's more than a passing interest. Sort of a first thing one notices on a guy at the beach, or which form of partial declothing would suddenly grab my attention. The area I'd be first to explore, and one I would spend a LOT of time exploring. Scritches, rubs, feeling up, the works. There's unquestionably some, er, ergoneous contexts, most of which I'm too shy to get into here, but it's not a necessity. And I could elaborate for quite awhile exactly *why* it's an interesting area to me (there's no bone, just flesh; it's a biologically vulnerable and sensitive area; it's a relatively "masculine" area just in terms of anatomical structure and emphasis; it's directly related to physical fitness, and you know my thoughts on fit guys; I actually once read a theory that the stomach my be unusually sensitive in male animals, because the classic "doggy-style" copulation pose means the male's underside gets a lot of contact with the female's back.)
But that's not my point. Basically, I'm just wondering why nobody ELSE seems to have any interest, or at least anywhere near as strong an interest.
I mean, everyone seems to focus on butts (FWIW, I'm not really a butt guy myself). Paw/foot fetishists are pretty much a dime a dozen. Female-favoring people often fixate on breasts and legs. Some people seem to like ears or tails, which I can at least understand in the context that it's an unusually emphasized area on furries. I even know a few folks who like underarms. And of course, there's the one male area I don't even think I NEED to mention.
But the area between the ribcage and hips may as well be just a spacefiller. Sure, some artists I know certainly draw very nice abs, but there's generally not much specific focus, it's merely one factor in general anatomical perfection. There's a good number of chubby/fat fans out there, but I have to admit I really much prefer a fit look (I'll note muscle + gut = HAWT, but there's a threshold).
So I've never quite understood why there's disinterest. My main theory is pure proximity; it's, um, pretty close to the groin, so any visual attention to the stomach is lost because people keep dropping their eyes down instead. The chest is often emphasized on bodybuilders, so that draws attention the other direction. And, well, in a lot of...uh, favored furry male poses, you can't even SEE that area. :::koff:::
Essentially I'm just kinda putting this out wondering if anyone else out there cares (I mean REALLY cares, not just "oh...yeh, it's ok, mebbe") or not. :::shrug::: I'm a visual person so it's always nice to see if anyone has similar physical interests :::twirls pencil:::
And I won't deny it. I'm pretty much a you-scratch-my-back-I'll-scratch-yours type of person, and if you're looking for ways to get my attention, just putting this out as a starting point
If not, you can all go back to studying butts and paws
At any rate, I should be moving into my condo finally next week, and then hopefully I'll be back online more! And I can start clearing out my ridiculously long submission list ^ ^;;
Anyway, I'm just posting a tame little fetish minddump until I can get more art done.
So it's probably not escaped anyone's notice that I remove shirts from my characters as often as possible, while I tend to keep the rest of their bodies relatively clothed. And much of the reason why is, for lack of a better term, I have a bit of a tummy fetish =X
I don't mean that in nearly in...how do I put it, as actively nawtee as the term implies, but it's more than a passing interest. Sort of a first thing one notices on a guy at the beach, or which form of partial declothing would suddenly grab my attention. The area I'd be first to explore, and one I would spend a LOT of time exploring. Scritches, rubs, feeling up, the works. There's unquestionably some, er, ergoneous contexts, most of which I'm too shy to get into here, but it's not a necessity. And I could elaborate for quite awhile exactly *why* it's an interesting area to me (there's no bone, just flesh; it's a biologically vulnerable and sensitive area; it's a relatively "masculine" area just in terms of anatomical structure and emphasis; it's directly related to physical fitness, and you know my thoughts on fit guys; I actually once read a theory that the stomach my be unusually sensitive in male animals, because the classic "doggy-style" copulation pose means the male's underside gets a lot of contact with the female's back.)
But that's not my point. Basically, I'm just wondering why nobody ELSE seems to have any interest, or at least anywhere near as strong an interest.
I mean, everyone seems to focus on butts (FWIW, I'm not really a butt guy myself). Paw/foot fetishists are pretty much a dime a dozen. Female-favoring people often fixate on breasts and legs. Some people seem to like ears or tails, which I can at least understand in the context that it's an unusually emphasized area on furries. I even know a few folks who like underarms. And of course, there's the one male area I don't even think I NEED to mention.
But the area between the ribcage and hips may as well be just a spacefiller. Sure, some artists I know certainly draw very nice abs, but there's generally not much specific focus, it's merely one factor in general anatomical perfection. There's a good number of chubby/fat fans out there, but I have to admit I really much prefer a fit look (I'll note muscle + gut = HAWT, but there's a threshold).
So I've never quite understood why there's disinterest. My main theory is pure proximity; it's, um, pretty close to the groin, so any visual attention to the stomach is lost because people keep dropping their eyes down instead. The chest is often emphasized on bodybuilders, so that draws attention the other direction. And, well, in a lot of...uh, favored furry male poses, you can't even SEE that area. :::koff:::
Essentially I'm just kinda putting this out wondering if anyone else out there cares (I mean REALLY cares, not just "oh...yeh, it's ok, mebbe") or not. :::shrug::: I'm a visual person so it's always nice to see if anyone has similar physical interests :::twirls pencil:::
And I won't deny it. I'm pretty much a you-scratch-my-back-I'll-scratch-yours type of person, and if you're looking for ways to get my attention, just putting this out as a starting point
If not, you can all go back to studying butts and paws
At any rate, I should be moving into my condo finally next week, and then hopefully I'll be back online more! And I can start clearing out my ridiculously long submission list ^ ^;;
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