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True to my word, it's been over a year since I've looked at Archie's Sonic the Hedgehog comic or any other Sonic franchise for that matter. However, something rather interesting was sent to me lately.
I received an image from my friend
kecomaster in which he removed that censorship bar called shorts from Sally Acorn and made it look like she was dressed more like how she used to, before SEGA decided to enforce their gender discriminatory views on the comic. Even better, he went into the comic itself and modified it panel by panel in the same way as the cover.
I mostly posted this to gauge the kind of reaction it would get and to see if there was interest in seeing more XD
Feel free to comment ^^
I received an image from my friend
kecomaster in which he removed that censorship bar called shorts from Sally Acorn and made it look like she was dressed more like how she used to, before SEGA decided to enforce their gender discriminatory views on the comic. Even better, he went into the comic itself and modified it panel by panel in the same way as the cover.I mostly posted this to gauge the kind of reaction it would get and to see if there was interest in seeing more XD
Feel free to comment ^^
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Dang sexism issues with Sega. I mean, come on; Sally may just be seen wearing boots and a vest back then, but was there anything dirty or suggestive involved with her design?!? NO! This is why I don't work for them. And besides which; you only see the guys wearing socks, shoes, and gloves, in the video games. (CURSE YOU, ARCHIE COMICS!)
And I DID do my own design for Princess Sally, in case you wish to see it.
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/13231099/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/13231099/
I can't even look at the comic seriously anymore due to the contrast in males vs females these days. Literally every male walks around nude while all the females wear dresses or battle armor as if they used to be human. It's a real shame since in the past the comic used to be characters first while now what matters is your gender first and the rest depends on that.
It's kind of like a form of black face where even if its subtle or not tales about, it's still there constantly in your face that for some reason the guys can dress how they want but all females have to cover their shame.
It's kind of like a form of black face where even if its subtle or not tales about, it's still there constantly in your face that for some reason the guys can dress how they want but all females have to cover their shame.
It is a hokey, ancient cartoon double standard, but so are females with big eyelashes, conspicuous hairstyles and lumpy chests vs flat-bodied "bald" males. I do not think anybody would confuse this comic book for a legitimate statement about what real people should wear/be forced to wear. Black face is something else entirely! I think if the comic people modify anything, it will be to add more clothes so that nobody is naked, since for whatever reason that is the dominant trend at this time.
If the males also wore clothes I wouldn't mind the changes but the fact they keep them able to wear whatever they want annoys me.
Also, even if you think people know better, what about the young fans growing up with Sonic? How many of them grew up hating Sally for being "naked" all while next to the just as naked Sonic due to the discriminatory games? How many female fan characters are ridiculed or hated just for daring to dress like the guys?
By censoring Sally they essentially told everyone these sexist and gender discriminatory views are correct and should be followed more now then ever before.
Also, even if you think people know better, what about the young fans growing up with Sonic? How many of them grew up hating Sally for being "naked" all while next to the just as naked Sonic due to the discriminatory games? How many female fan characters are ridiculed or hated just for daring to dress like the guys?
By censoring Sally they essentially told everyone these sexist and gender discriminatory views are correct and should be followed more now then ever before.
The fact is that the female characters are sexualized by the property owners but the males are not (Officially, anyway; I understand that "fans" will do it either way, regardless of what they are given to work with). There is a deeper societal issue that treats male as normal and female as only having validity if it is covered with fashionable attributes. And people who grow up thinking that is normal go along with it. Even the original neutral-shaped version of the character that could get away with being naked had the big hair and eyelashes.
Actually part of the problem is people can't differentiate between the female body and a sex object anymore,'they treat them as one in the same.
For this reason if a female is so much as standing around people will sexualize it. Most definitely the wrong way to go about fixing this is by covering all women up and making everyone think that thy really are nothing but sex objects to be either hidden or sexualized. The best spluton is to treat it as completely normal like the comic used to do. The only reason why Sally got hate was due to brainwashed fans of the games.
Female OCs based off of the comic also seemed to be more action packed and interesting then the game ones too, who tended to be based off if Amy or Cream who exist more to be cute or to be fashionable models to stand around rather then having a real character.
Either way, if society is being sexist that is not an excuse to allow a franchise to stop being equal and turn sexist as well. What the comic did was sexist and wrong and the "that's how others do it" mentality is about as bad an excuse as you can use, which is why sexism and racism still exist in this world.
For this reason if a female is so much as standing around people will sexualize it. Most definitely the wrong way to go about fixing this is by covering all women up and making everyone think that thy really are nothing but sex objects to be either hidden or sexualized. The best spluton is to treat it as completely normal like the comic used to do. The only reason why Sally got hate was due to brainwashed fans of the games.
Female OCs based off of the comic also seemed to be more action packed and interesting then the game ones too, who tended to be based off if Amy or Cream who exist more to be cute or to be fashionable models to stand around rather then having a real character.
Either way, if society is being sexist that is not an excuse to allow a franchise to stop being equal and turn sexist as well. What the comic did was sexist and wrong and the "that's how others do it" mentality is about as bad an excuse as you can use, which is why sexism and racism still exist in this world.
I disagree. The comic was pretty ahead of it's time by having Sally be the leader of the group and having Bunnie be the strong member of the group. In general you could tell they designed characters first rather then first making a femalemchsrscternand basing everything off of that.
Heck, they even showed the evils of sexism by making her father sexist and making him completely in the wrong and the villain about it. Instead of ignoring it they called it out for how stupid it was.
Heck, they even showed the evils of sexism by making her father sexist and making him completely in the wrong and the villain about it. Instead of ignoring it they called it out for how stupid it was.
But you are talking about just the physical attributes, and even this altered version you posted reflects that. If the character's personal ideology has been altered to be submissive then you might have something. Otherwise you cannot prove that this fictional character has not merely chosen to dress differently after 20 or however many years.
Undoubtedly it was a marketing or executive decision but a character with big womanly breasts and thighs that does not wear clothes is decreasingly likely to get through all the bureaucratic layers that a licensed product has. Sonic in the background still looks to have an ambiguous shape and twiggy legs. If they were both naked they would not be "equal."
Undoubtedly it was a marketing or executive decision but a character with big womanly breasts and thighs that does not wear clothes is decreasingly likely to get through all the bureaucratic layers that a licensed product has. Sonic in the background still looks to have an ambiguous shape and twiggy legs. If they were both naked they would not be "equal."
As I mentioned elswhere this is a more subtle form of sexism and discrimination. Regardless of other arguments, you can't deny that forcing her to get fully clothed is a double standard based on her gender, which would be considered sexist. You could actually claim that forcing all females to cover their shame is a form of submission to show there's something inferior it wrong about their bodies even if it's never talked about,'which goes back to the subtlety thing. It won't cause problems on the surface but it causes huge descrimination problems down the road such as with fan perception of what is considered acceptable or wrong.
The other point is that Sally actually has had a body similar to Sonic's in the past that was more chibi and less feminine overall, those aspects are more about the artist and less to do about the story or world though. In general female Sonic characters don't have a big chest either so not sure what you are going on about there.
I'm more interested in the world itself being presented and less about individual artists drawing it. Even if artists took too much liberty with their art the work itself was still fine. Now the world itself is discriminatory.
Oh they seek to be making Sonic more and more human as time goes in too like with Boom but they insist on keeping him naked, so consider that as you will. I'm not sure how Boom Knuckles is considered okay naked but a slightly curvy female character is considered inappropriate. When you get down to it, a Mobian is essentially a person wearing a full body leotard, so why is it okay for the men to do it but not the women?
The other point is that Sally actually has had a body similar to Sonic's in the past that was more chibi and less feminine overall, those aspects are more about the artist and less to do about the story or world though. In general female Sonic characters don't have a big chest either so not sure what you are going on about there.
I'm more interested in the world itself being presented and less about individual artists drawing it. Even if artists took too much liberty with their art the work itself was still fine. Now the world itself is discriminatory.
Oh they seek to be making Sonic more and more human as time goes in too like with Boom but they insist on keeping him naked, so consider that as you will. I'm not sure how Boom Knuckles is considered okay naked but a slightly curvy female character is considered inappropriate. When you get down to it, a Mobian is essentially a person wearing a full body leotard, so why is it okay for the men to do it but not the women?
Alright here is some random page I turned up. http://th00.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE.....ia-d8az8c0.jpg I have no idea who drew it or what year it is from. I admit I do not really follow the things. A case can be made for putting clothes on that kind of figure, if you are selling the comic to children. Maybe some artists get more into it than others. It might be worth asking why this was only considered questionable recently.
How is that any different from any other female character in a leotard? The chest is still pretty small and there aren't any details to speak of. It's no different from a Dark Legion member or a character from Marvel or DC.
Besides, you seem to be complaining about the shape of the female body and not so much clothing in this instance. How is it magically better for her to be fully clothed here as opposed to being covered in fur? It changes literally nothing either way, unless you want to include the males into this discussion and start asking about their junk. Why can you corner Sally but not them? You can't see any details for the males or the females so why does Sally get picked on just because her body is more feminine? Why is a feminine body something to be ashamed of in the first place? She has a chest so that is inherently wrong and improper? You might want to try thinking further yourself to ask why you think that page is wrong and not just immediately peg it as wrong. If kids grew up thinking of the female form as normal and acceptable, rather then something to be ashamed of like you think, it could certainly change a few things.
The only real difference is this way they're saying the female body is nothing to make a big deal out of, while putting her in clothes would imply there's something inherently wrong with the female form even though she's already fully covered in fur.
You seem to be a pretty shocking prude about this by the way, for someone who draws what you do.
Besides, you seem to be complaining about the shape of the female body and not so much clothing in this instance. How is it magically better for her to be fully clothed here as opposed to being covered in fur? It changes literally nothing either way, unless you want to include the males into this discussion and start asking about their junk. Why can you corner Sally but not them? You can't see any details for the males or the females so why does Sally get picked on just because her body is more feminine? Why is a feminine body something to be ashamed of in the first place? She has a chest so that is inherently wrong and improper? You might want to try thinking further yourself to ask why you think that page is wrong and not just immediately peg it as wrong. If kids grew up thinking of the female form as normal and acceptable, rather then something to be ashamed of like you think, it could certainly change a few things.
The only real difference is this way they're saying the female body is nothing to make a big deal out of, while putting her in clothes would imply there's something inherently wrong with the female form even though she's already fully covered in fur.
You seem to be a pretty shocking prude about this by the way, for someone who draws what you do.
I am not defending the rubbish in my gallery! I acknowledge that it is provocative junk. I would not put it in a comic book that I expected normal people to pick up, or anything I would show to my mother. I think it distracts from a story and invites complaints.
I am only trying to explain why I think this comic book's decision is justified from a business standpoint. I think you read way too much into it. In fact I used to think you were kidding to some degree with the level of militancy you exhibit about it.
Likewise, Marvel and DC have some very sexualized women (and wear LESS than the men), and they get criticized for it. However, their male counterparts are also muscular and detailed, while Sonic remains pretty plain.
People, in general, used to consider fur as clothing, but increasingly they see it as naked. I had no part in that. Actual thick animal fur is hard to see much through, but, especially around here, it tends to drawn as if it just colored skin.
I am only trying to explain why I think this comic book's decision is justified from a business standpoint. I think you read way too much into it. In fact I used to think you were kidding to some degree with the level of militancy you exhibit about it.
Likewise, Marvel and DC have some very sexualized women (and wear LESS than the men), and they get criticized for it. However, their male counterparts are also muscular and detailed, while Sonic remains pretty plain.
People, in general, used to consider fur as clothing, but increasingly they see it as naked. I had no part in that. Actual thick animal fur is hard to see much through, but, especially around here, it tends to drawn as if it just colored skin.
Well yeah, if you have characters fully covered in fur, it gives you all kinds of possibilities you normally wouldn't get with humans as far as designs go. It's one reason I find all the females being forced to be dressed like humans to be a loss of creativity and possibility.
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