XD heavy artillery is the M7, or the M41

the two (?) e.e

XD there are many more. American self propelled guns

Okay, yes, but in the 43s the Sherman were the best they had (multipurpose)

Whoa that's awesome!

That's kickass

you should do the firefly or Easy 8 next x3 or maybe a Panzer 3M

What about the t34 next time? You might want better armor when dealing with the Panzar five or highter.

I was thinking of a jagdtiger for the next e.e

The T-34 had less armor than the M4 on the front for either earlier or later productions. Not to mention the M4 had CHA (M4 Composite, M4A1, or M4A6) or RHA (the rest of the lot) armor. Which spalls less than the HHA on the T-34.

Better armor is not more armor. More armor is more weight. The T-34 was the first tank with sloped armor. It was designed to deflect the incoming round. A 75mm round could go through a Sherman, but it would bounce off a T-34 frontal sloped armor.

Better effective armor is what I was referring to. The early production M4 Mediums had 50.8mm of armor at 56 degrees, 91.2mm LOS effective thickness. Late productions had 63.5mm at 47 degrees: that's 94.3mm of effective armor. The T-34 throughout its production only had 45mm at 60 degrees, 90mm. Not to mention the T-34 had HHA plating, which spalled a heck of a lot more than the soft CHA (on M4 Composite hulls, M4A1s, M4A5 (Ram Mk.I/II) and M4A6s) and RHA (M4, M4A2, M4A3, and M4A4) plating. This is why the M4 had much higher crew survival rates than the T-34. The E2 "Jumbo" Assault vehicle had 101.6mm of RHA (63.5mm of RHA with an extra 38.1mm of armor on top) angled at 47 degrees, that's 148mm effective armor, better than the Panther. Also, which 75mm round are ye referring to?

Sloped armor did not come along with the T-34. It was first noted during the Medieval times, and first noted in combat at the Battle of Hampton roads in the duel between the U.S.S. Monitor and C.S.S. Virginia (ex-Merrimack). In tanks, you notice heavily sloped armor right around Christie's designs, and first use off all-around sloped armor on the French FCM-36. All-round sloped armor was never used again by any nation after the war.

Speaking of uparmored M4s. I've even seen an M4A1 (76)W VVSS 'Thunder', I think it was called, with two issued 1" armor kits on top. That's 114.3mm of armor, angled at 47 degrees, considering its a late production hull, is around 168mm of effective armor. What's strange about it is that the TC's "all-around vision" type hatch is on the loader's side, and the loader's split-hatch cupola is on the TC's side. It's a weird layout. I'll try to find an image.

Found the image. It was from the 3rd Armored Divsion in Korbach, Germany.

http://www.theshermantank.com/wp-co.....xxl-sukhov.jpg