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Summers Gone is a timeline-jumping inside look to Andy and Cooper's past together, pairing directly with volume 1 of The Internship which can be read here: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/20437011/
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I hate to say it, but this is how it needs to be in real life... It's how it was with our real parents, if we ever screwed up...
Not that we were "bad" kids, but any time we did something that wasn't right, we were punished, and we turned out ok.
Most of us learned from our mistakes because we were disciplined in the old fashioned way... Not with a PC "time out" lol.
Not that we were "bad" kids, but any time we did something that wasn't right, we were punished, and we turned out ok.
Most of us learned from our mistakes because we were disciplined in the old fashioned way... Not with a PC "time out" lol.
Thank goodness, I'll never have kids... And if by chance there "are" any mini-me's out there (seriously doubt it because protection 100% of the time, EVERY time), I'm not the one to deal with her litter... Well, unless Maury Povidge calls me to Connecticut and says "You ARE the father" in which case, I'll howl with tears in my eyes and run back stage to hold onto the fake red brick wall and bury my muzzle in the couch and pretend to care about the little bastards... NO THANKS!!! lmao
Kids don't learn from their mistakes due to being punished. Kids, and people as a whole, learn from mistakes due to realizing the error of what they've done and the consequences they've caused, and feeling remorse for their actions. Hitting a kid teaches absolutely nothing, other than "don't get caught", particularly since it makes a kid focus on the punishment they're going to receive, rather than the actual mistake they've made. You're essentially training someone to only refrain from doing things out of fear of getting caught, instead of teaching them to refrain from doing things because it's hurtful for other people. It's basically molding the empathy right out of them.
"You're essentially training someone to only refrain from doing things out of fear of getting caught, instead of teaching them to refrain from doing things because it's hurtful for other people. It's basically molding the empathy right out of them. "
For better or worse our entire society/ law system for adults works the same way. Seems like most people lack the empathy and decency to play by certain rules, unless you threaten them with fines or jailtime.
For better or worse our entire society/ law system for adults works the same way. Seems like most people lack the empathy and decency to play by certain rules, unless you threaten them with fines or jailtime.
That's a very US-centric viewpoint, and one that doesn't hold much ground really. Especially when you consider that the law has little to do with morality in most cases, and more to do with reinforcing conformity and upholding the order of the state. Not to mention, people do the same thing of breaking the law and then just trying to not get caught. So it very obviously doesn't work as any sort of moral guidance.
*face/palm*
A smack on the kid's hand teaches them not to touch the hot stove, play in the toilet or play tug of war with the dog's ears... It's not child abuse, it's boo-boo, ouch, don't do that. The "PC" time out these days is go to your room, where the 50-inch flat screen is connected to the xbox, and they have a $900 iphone that's better than my crappy little $50 Android, and they use it to tweet and facebook and telegram about how we smacked their hand not to touch the fire on the stove, then call child protective services because we didn't give them a scientific explanation about how the fire will make their skin ugly and hurt when it burns the house down. Sorry... not sorry
A smack on the kid's hand teaches them not to touch the hot stove, play in the toilet or play tug of war with the dog's ears... It's not child abuse, it's boo-boo, ouch, don't do that. The "PC" time out these days is go to your room, where the 50-inch flat screen is connected to the xbox, and they have a $900 iphone that's better than my crappy little $50 Android, and they use it to tweet and facebook and telegram about how we smacked their hand not to touch the fire on the stove, then call child protective services because we didn't give them a scientific explanation about how the fire will make their skin ugly and hurt when it burns the house down. Sorry... not sorry
A slap on the hand teaches a kid that you don't like what they're doing, not that what they're doing is in any way "wrong". If a kid is so young they don't understand that a stove could burn them, then they won't understand why they're being smacked. If they're old enough to understand a stove can burn them, then saying "Hey, don't go near that, it'll hurt you" is really enough, especially since hey, if they don't listen, they learn all on their own. This is how all people learn.
What you describe though is a very strange hypothetical scenario you made up in your head. Like, why would anyone send their kid to time-out for touching the stove? Getting burned is the consequence, it doesn't take intervention. And no one goes to jail for "raising their voice" or any other such nonsense. More often than not, abusive parents are never made to suffer any consequences for their abuse. Having said that, I never even called anything abuse--I just said kids don't really learn anything from it. You're just reading into things and seeing what's not there.
Lastly, the argument of "this has been going on for a long time, so it's fine" is incredibly asinine. For thousands of years, bloodletting was the go-to "cure" for illness...but y'know, we tossed that out the window once we realized it both didn't cure jack shit, and was actually harmful.
Also, as a final note, there are "reply to this post" buttons on people's comments; try using those sometime, instead of repeatedly responding to your own comments... People will actually be able to see that you've responded to them, then.
What you describe though is a very strange hypothetical scenario you made up in your head. Like, why would anyone send their kid to time-out for touching the stove? Getting burned is the consequence, it doesn't take intervention. And no one goes to jail for "raising their voice" or any other such nonsense. More often than not, abusive parents are never made to suffer any consequences for their abuse. Having said that, I never even called anything abuse--I just said kids don't really learn anything from it. You're just reading into things and seeing what's not there.
Lastly, the argument of "this has been going on for a long time, so it's fine" is incredibly asinine. For thousands of years, bloodletting was the go-to "cure" for illness...but y'know, we tossed that out the window once we realized it both didn't cure jack shit, and was actually harmful.
Also, as a final note, there are "reply to this post" buttons on people's comments; try using those sometime, instead of repeatedly responding to your own comments... People will actually be able to see that you've responded to them, then.
I know how to use FA, I was just hoping that you wouldn't see my reply because I didn't want to have anything else to do with you (sorry, not sorry). You're the only one who has a problem with anyone who's replied to my comment. Granted, that doesn't make everyone correct and you wrong... But maybe we can quit trolling each other and just enjoy the comic? This is getting out of hand and I no longer wish to engage in this conversation... And if it takes you to win, congratulations, I forfeit this. Does that make you feel better? It makes me feel fantastic if it means you'll stop the social justice horse shit and move on to someone who will feed you the arguments that you're craving.
I wasn't trolling you, and I didn't have a problem with anyone. If you didn't want to continue, you could have...not continued? Sounds like you have personal problems, my dude.
Edit: Also, lol @ you thinking basic psychology is "social justice horseshit". Man, what a weird thing to say.
Edit: Also, lol @ you thinking basic psychology is "social justice horseshit". Man, what a weird thing to say.
If we try and learn from our Animal friends..
When a young wolf stuffs up they are corrected with a Snap and a Growl. They quickly learn not to do it again.
Unfortunately with humans - many adults subscribe the same level of adult reasoning to a child. Unfortunately this does not work because a child is inherently self centered and need to mature before they can understand that their Wants are not as important as other's needs.
When a young wolf stuffs up they are corrected with a Snap and a Growl. They quickly learn not to do it again.
Unfortunately with humans - many adults subscribe the same level of adult reasoning to a child. Unfortunately this does not work because a child is inherently self centered and need to mature before they can understand that their Wants are not as important as other's needs.
All I'm saying is that "discipline" has been a thing for hundreds (if not thousands) of years. In the last 10 or 20 years, it's become a major thing and the parent goes to jail just for raising their voice in the wrong tone and the kid suddenly has PTSD and is treated like a hero because they were the victim of "child abuse" (respectfully). And the children grow up, knowing that they can get away with anything they want. It's not 100%, there are exceptions to this, there's always the evil child who winds up on Maury Povidge, shaking her 8 year old finger at the crowd and screaming "Ya don no mee, I doo wah I wan, yo!" (and even they're re-rehabilitated when they have the drill Sargent... uhh... scream at them?)
I'm just hoping that the plot doesn't go the "I can fix him" route, where Cooper was abused into repressing, and Andy upon finding out that Cooper was damaged will forgive/rationalize all the stuff that Cooper's done to him over the years, and abandon pursuit of Emery to "fix" his suddenly GFY rival. If we're bringing reality into it? Going into a relationship believing you can "fix" the other *NEVER* turns out well for either party. Coop doesn't need Andy, he needs therapy and time to become the kind of person who can have a stable relationship, but if the world worked like that, well, 50 Shades of Grey wouldn't sell 10 million copies. :)
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