Tis true
We do all sorts of terrible things, even when we know it is not correct
Doesn't justify it but to ignore it isn't fair either.

Still, looks like it didn't work out.

yea poor gav gav

This is so relatable. :|

He should see a psychologist who specializes in sexuality.

And not one of those shitty 'conversion' type therapists

Damn. I feel so sorry for them both. At least he's not a prick like a certain incestuous cannines from the book. You know who I'm talking about.

*how to feel

Pathetic dick

Mr. bigott ass really need a pig fistpunch of hus face already!

I don''t think you know what it's like to be raised conservative Christian while being LGBT

Not really, i walked religious education classes in elementary school, i went to churches to when i was a kid, I was a beggar and a wedded companion too but when i entered my teenhood i slowly understanded the whole Christian religion what means" Everyone who's are not lick our asses or think what we thinking is a sinful human!" That was the time when i get enough of that crap.

And what the goat doing is he searched excuses nothing else! Now thats pathetic!

Christianity brainwashes people in to being afraid and in to feeling guilty about themselves. It's a really hard cycle to get out of, it took me TEN YEARS and I had to move away from the church and my family ENTIRELY in order to figure it out, and even that took me 2-3 years to do. I needed the support of other people in the LGBT community to really help me come out.
Because this guy is keeping it secret, he's not seeking out support or help, he just needs someone from the community to reach out to him and help him accept himself and cast off this idea conservative christianity left in his head.
Hell, he doesn't even have to stop being Christian, he can find a different church or choose to lead a different kind of sermon. You can be christian and gay if you find the right community.
He's scared and confused. Not malicious and hateful.

I can say without a doubt, people getting mad and screaming BIGOT does not help. People embracing the issue and understanding and answering my questions helped.

You know the only problem is almost every Christian priest preaches that everyone should hate us just because a 2000 year's old fantasy book sayed that. And u know if someone hate you just because his religion can accept if you are gay, lesbian, transgender or anything else then i dont know what you gonna do but i cant understand or love those people's who's are hate or looking down us just because some religious bullshit but not just Christian's, the muslim and jewish religion teaches the same thing.

The very last drop for me when someone sayed " when my dog is gonna died he didnt go to the heaven because dog's doesnt have soul's" not to mention after that i really wanted to kick that dick's head with a full force!

So in my opinion bigott's are the worst people's in the entire worldand not just Christian's!

Yes, and as a former brainwashed bigot who was put in to an abusive shitty relationship because of it that took 3 years to break out of and 3 more to recover and finally come in to my own, I say don't 'fuck bigots'. EDUCATE THEM. Especially the struggling LGBT ones who literally know nothing else because it was what they were taught all their lives so of course what else are they going to believe?
Not every Christian who's uncomfortable with 'the gay' is an extreme racist homophobe. Many of them are just trapped, confused people who are scared of eternal hellfire and they just need someone to tell them 'you're not a monster, you're not a sinner, you're not wrong in this, and we are here for you'.

I agree wholeheartedly with your assertion because I was one of those people. I definitely had things better (big city evangelical megachurch) than most (small-town fundamentalist baptist) growing up, but even that environment of just including the information you want (i.e. didn't talk about LGBT issues, just didn't talk about them at all and focused on man and women relationships as this crown jewel of the church) is enough to brainwash a child into a worldview. In high school, I wasn't militantly homophobic, but I was uneducated and even in my laissez-faire attitude towards others' actions, I still said a lot of things that I wish I could take back now, like "Gay people who are celibate are fine, but those who aren't are going to hell, it's kinda in the bible"

I was also super anti-evolution at the time, for similar reasons. If all your world includes is Ken Ham and Genesis 1, then even for a kid who's super into dinosaurs and science, you do the mental gymnastics to make your worldview stay whole, which often means coming up with conspiracy theories and throwing out facts. I trusted my parents and their beliefs because what kid trusts other people over their parents who have, in my POV then, treated me so well. They never limited my reading, encouraged my education, I believed that in all aspects, they wanted the best for me and could believe/do not wrong.

Honestly, If I had been called a bigot at the time, I probably would have doubled down and felt persecuted, because conservative Christians are taught that people will dislike us for our beliefs and even commit violence against us because they're in sin.

It took a ton of positive counter-example interactions with people to make myself aware of the cognitive dissonances that I was holding (no wonder I was so stressed out in High School). Eventually, I brought so many things into my world that my various worldviews (gender complimentarity, then creationism, then patriotism, end-times, and finally heteronormativity. Even coming out to myself as gay was such a shift in my worldview that my grades dropped significantly freshman year of college. It isn't great at first when your worldviews shatter, because then you have no support and you just feel betrayed and alone. But I fought, tooth and nail, to find those positive counter-examples and keep at them until I could discover myself. But it would have been much better to not have to do this alone.

@BaldDumboRat, thank you for being one of these counter-examples. I didn't understand the concept of transgender (who knows what I thought of you at that time, I purged a lot of myself from then and even now struggle to remember how I used to understand things), but you were one of the first experiences I had and it was super positive. I loved your Derpy and the Doctor series, and it was one brick in the seige tower that brought my old, abusive worldviews down. I hope you realize the positive effect your videos have on others.

I've heard that "dogs can't go to heaven" argument before.
Now, I tell people that if there are no dogs in heaven, then I don't want to go because my dogs mean everything to me.

Then this comic's point isn't for you.
Which is fine =p It's not for everyone.

As a transgender pansexual who was raised in a christian household this is pretty damn relatable. For a good while I would look on at trans and gay people uncomfortably but at the same time I felt pull, like I was like them. And when I first started exploring there was that initial excitement of the taboo of it but... the longer I really observed myself and other people, the more I realized there was nothing wrong, and that it didn't make sense for it to be wrong because it did nothing to harm anyone. It became less a secret thing I was ashamed of that I tried desperately to keep up appearances with to something that just seemed totally natural and I can't see myself any other way. This whole self exploration of sexuality and gender identity started at age 10 and I wouldn't fully come to terms for another 10 years.

Everything that fells good is wrong. That's the definition of being Christian.

Well, better let him figure things out by himself come back when he does. Nobody can blame Gavin for not wanting to associate with someone so flagrantly hypocritical, regardless of his circumstances.
And sure, I get the humanization side of this, but this super selective "I'm not sinning unless I'm caught" mentality is SO damn recurring in real life, and a big reveal for so many people that preach and perform HORRIBLE acts of hate, it's very hard to forgive.

And I'm sick of people trying to turn the tables and say that they're the ones being targeted by not being allowed to believe what they want, when they completely try to brush off the table that they're still trying to tell people what to do.

Sorry, if you want freedom, you shouldn't take mine.

Option 1: says screw off and walks away
Option 2: hugs

I can't imagine myself in Gavin's position

hmmmm.........

Honestly, I really think he needs to choose one or the other. Either stop screwing men or leave the faith. Especially since he's a Priest. There's going to be scandal here. There's no avoiding it. Sooner or later, someone inside the church will find out, or he'll slip up. It would be better if he came clean, even if it means he's defrocked and shunned by his congregation. It's only going to get worse if he tries straddling the fence.

Heh. Not that I'm one to talk. Nowhere near the same situation for me, least not in regards to screwing men, but... hard to choose a side of the fence sometimes. Even if the decision is simple, it's not easy. I think he needs someone to counsel him. He needs someone to help him decide where he wants to go, what kind of life he wants. Because this? This is just a recipe for misery, or even disaster. Not too dissimilar from the first story with the incest, though that one was a little more clear-cut.

In any case, like with the previous story, a decision has to be made. There's no point in putting it off.



On a different note, I'd like to address anyone who thinks I'm calling for him to cut all ties with Gav. I'm not. There is a difference between loving someone and having sex with them. I don't know of any part of the Bible that says you can't love someone of the same gender. It all just seems to be against having sex with them, or being promiscuous, or shagging family members. If Gabe feels the need for male affection, he should seek it out. But he can't keep preaching one thing and doing another. It's dishonest in several ways. He's deceiving his congregation. He deceived Gav. And he's probably deceiving himself.

Lying is not love. If you love someone, you're honest with them. And it doesn't look like he's doing that here. I know it's hard for him, and probably many like him who are in this situation for real, yet the decision has to be made. Is he going to keep preaching what he doesn't believe? Or will he start practicing it even at the risk of losing his relationship with Gav? I don't envy him the choice. Yet it has to be made. And if he doesn't make the choice himself, it'll be made for him. That's often how it ends when you refuse to make a choice over something this important. And when it does, it's always far worse than if you'd just chosen one or the other. Or a third option, if it's available. (I don't think that's the case here, sad to say.)

Wurf. Who knew porn comics could get into such deep issues? You've got me intrigued! I want to see how this plays out, and what the next story will be!