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"The strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither" -Saren, Mass Effect 1
Anyone who knows me personally, knows that over the years I have grown an unhealthy, and unnatural, desire to rid myself of the flesh. A desire to rush a hundred years of technological growth, in order to complete my digital evolution. ((Can't we just live in the future already?))
But like everything in life, nothing is ever 100% (except of course, for death).
My infatuation with becoming a cyber-being is not without self-opposition. My admiration for this organic existence is equality as empowering to me as it's opposite is. All I can say is thank goodness for the balance in life, without it, life would be like... a box, with no chocolates, or a 0 in mathematics; an absence of meaning.
Anyhoo, here is a sort of self portrait of sorts. Yay I finally took some time off to do a painting for myself.
If you want to own this piece, I am selling some "limited prints/speed painting videos/HD desktop wallpapers" combos. If you're interested, head on over to http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1219782/ and check out what I am offering, and how to get your paws on 'em.
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1219782/
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"The strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither" -Saren, Mass Effect 1
Anyone who knows me personally, knows that over the years I have grown an unhealthy, and unnatural, desire to rid myself of the flesh. A desire to rush a hundred years of technological growth, in order to complete my digital evolution. ((Can't we just live in the future already?))
But like everything in life, nothing is ever 100% (except of course, for death).
My infatuation with becoming a cyber-being is not without self-opposition. My admiration for this organic existence is equality as empowering to me as it's opposite is. All I can say is thank goodness for the balance in life, without it, life would be like... a box, with no chocolates, or a 0 in mathematics; an absence of meaning.
Anyhoo, here is a sort of self portrait of sorts. Yay I finally took some time off to do a painting for myself.
If you want to own this piece, I am selling some "limited prints/speed painting videos/HD desktop wallpapers" combos. If you're interested, head on over to http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/1219782/ and check out what I am offering, and how to get your paws on 'em.
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yes, "zero" is both; "everything to the system", and yet "it means nothing when alone."
so if "everything" and "nothing" became the same... there would be everything, and yet it would mean nothing.
you can not divide zero by zero, and come out with rational numerical answer.
life needs answer... cyber-life would need a rational numerical one.
so if "everything" and "nothing" became the same... there would be everything, and yet it would mean nothing.
you can not divide zero by zero, and come out with rational numerical answer.
life needs answer... cyber-life would need a rational numerical one.
if it could be done unseen / only the outside still looking like a living bio-being / only replacing the inner bio-workings, then I'd totally agree to it, and not resist... and even welcome the change...
though if it came with a reformation to the look of, say that, of a cyber-freak for a bad movie, I'd totally resist... going so far as, to join the resistance again the them.
though if it came with a reformation to the look of, say that, of a cyber-freak for a bad movie, I'd totally resist... going so far as, to join the resistance again the them.
if the presentation of my appearance was not my choice to make, then I don't think that I would be myself...
and I don't want that; non-choice of a lack of self, forced on me.
though why did you feel the need to question, my reason(s) for my above statement?
and: yes, before you try to dig deeper... I do feel that the choices of presentation and appearance of one's self, are just as much a part of a person is; as any other: part, action, skill, or ability, of who they are.
and I don't want that; non-choice of a lack of self, forced on me.
though why did you feel the need to question, my reason(s) for my above statement?
and: yes, before you try to dig deeper... I do feel that the choices of presentation and appearance of one's self, are just as much a part of a person is; as any other: part, action, skill, or ability, of who they are.
1. The background is absolutely gorgeous. IDK how you managed to make it look so incredibly realistic.
2. The fur texturing... holy hell... it is beautiful!
3. The lighting.... wow... just... omfg.
You have again amazed me with your artistic talent and skill. I again find it hard to believe that you have only been drawing for seven years.
2. The fur texturing... holy hell... it is beautiful!
3. The lighting.... wow... just... omfg.
You have again amazed me with your artistic talent and skill. I again find it hard to believe that you have only been drawing for seven years.
LED eyes FTW!
The only reason i keep going renegade in ME2. There's something fufilling when you take cover from 30 different people shooting you, and just see the red eyes against the back-lit head...
And there's also the obligatory "i'll be back" that you just have to say occasionally. it's one of the internet laws, i think.
The only reason i keep going renegade in ME2. There's something fufilling when you take cover from 30 different people shooting you, and just see the red eyes against the back-lit head...
And there's also the obligatory "i'll be back" that you just have to say occasionally. it's one of the internet laws, i think.
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I think I understand perfectly. The coming age, of cybernetically enhancing the ability of the frail human body to cope with an ever changing world, is something I wish I could personaly experience, dream, live. Sometimes I believe I have been born about 70 - 90 years too early ( Me was born in 1977 )
The kids of today have it so much easier to research sexuallity, in an athmosphere alot more tolerant to boot, as well. I wish, I could grow up today, and learn to love and accept my homosexuality and myself without reservation.
Aside from that, dear Fluke, allow me to tell you what others must have told you already, tons of times.... You Rule!!
It might be strange for you to read this coming from a guy, who is already nearing his 33'rd summer, and for all I know you could be just 17 or 19 or 22 years old.
Still, I think, I owe you this much... Your artful depictions of the animalistic nature of man, at times happy, serene, sad or thoughtfull has proven to be salve for my wounded soul time and again. You are not the only artist on furaffinity, whose works have lifted my spirits, when I needed it most, jet YOU are among the few, that I have developed a deep affection for.
So, know this: I Salute You! And may you never be without dog treats <<snickers>>
I think I understand perfectly. The coming age, of cybernetically enhancing the ability of the frail human body to cope with an ever changing world, is something I wish I could personaly experience, dream, live. Sometimes I believe I have been born about 70 - 90 years too early ( Me was born in 1977 )
The kids of today have it so much easier to research sexuallity, in an athmosphere alot more tolerant to boot, as well. I wish, I could grow up today, and learn to love and accept my homosexuality and myself without reservation.
Aside from that, dear Fluke, allow me to tell you what others must have told you already, tons of times.... You Rule!!
It might be strange for you to read this coming from a guy, who is already nearing his 33'rd summer, and for all I know you could be just 17 or 19 or 22 years old.
Still, I think, I owe you this much... Your artful depictions of the animalistic nature of man, at times happy, serene, sad or thoughtfull has proven to be salve for my wounded soul time and again. You are not the only artist on furaffinity, whose works have lifted my spirits, when I needed it most, jet YOU are among the few, that I have developed a deep affection for.
So, know this: I Salute You! And may you never be without dog treats <<snickers>>
thats kind of how i feel, like. i love fighting and i have killed someone in defensive of my sister "long story" and it was such a rush and i cant get enough of the thrill i get when im in action. but then i love to cuddle and virtually act suby around certain people, but other then that i feel like the manliest man around my area
OMG ! It´s Awesome Fluke OWO !
and... when I read that quote of Saren, I thought: "FUC**** SAREN !!!!!!!! WHY DID YOU HAVE TO KILL NIHLUS !!!!!!!!! I WILL BREAK YOUR BONES ONE BY ONE!!!!!!"
xD well... great job there xD I always admired your jobs :3
and I love your comic "Motion in the Ocean" x3
hehe... well... great job again x3
and... when I read that quote of Saren, I thought: "FUC**** SAREN !!!!!!!! WHY DID YOU HAVE TO KILL NIHLUS !!!!!!!!! I WILL BREAK YOUR BONES ONE BY ONE!!!!!!"
xD well... great job there xD I always admired your jobs :3
and I love your comic "Motion in the Ocean" x3
hehe... well... great job again x3
Mass effect is one of my favorites storywise considering that it the developers really made a lot of the holes close when it came to explaining the importance of all of the races and what mechanisms they used to go through intersteller space. A lot of scenarios can hapen to the human race and hopefully something like that could. In my opinion there are so many stars and so many of those stars have planets. the milkyway alone has over 100-400 billion stars alone!! there is a very high chance that there has to be either primitive or advanced civilizations. perhaps we are very behind in technology for extra terestrial life to really notice us.
I usually don't comment on art, but this fantastic. I've fallen in love with the Mass Effect universe and you've certainly captured the bold futurism behind it. Great contrast between the biological and cybernetic.
Personally, I play the paragon role: the good Shepard coming to save our galaxy (with gallantry and sexy violet eyes). I might just have to go play through ME again!
Personally, I play the paragon role: the good Shepard coming to save our galaxy (with gallantry and sexy violet eyes). I might just have to go play through ME again!
This peice....really moved me
the way you described one of your desires, and used art as a medium to get that out there, thats insanely beautiful.
I love how this latest work of yours is a clear meaning of not just yourself, but humanity period, that we're not good, not bad, but in a constant state of dynamic equilibrium.
Bravo :3
the way you described one of your desires, and used art as a medium to get that out there, thats insanely beautiful.
I love how this latest work of yours is a clear meaning of not just yourself, but humanity period, that we're not good, not bad, but in a constant state of dynamic equilibrium.
Bravo :3
Beautiful work, sir! You have amazing talent.
As per your comment, it reminds me of that Cowboy Bebop episode Brain Scratch (yay Google for helping me with the title). The quote from the show stuck in my head: "We are disciples of God, sent here to free your soul from your body and lead you to the infinite sea of electrons." Have you seen it?
As per your comment, it reminds me of that Cowboy Bebop episode Brain Scratch (yay Google for helping me with the title). The quote from the show stuck in my head: "We are disciples of God, sent here to free your soul from your body and lead you to the infinite sea of electrons." Have you seen it?
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This picture reminded me of this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWv07uDRJqQ
It so fits you and this piccu.
It so fits you and this piccu.
"I've had enough of your snide insinuations...!"
[Whack]
I've got a character called "DickFace Shephard"! Guess what he did during the press interview in ME1!
I'm totally glad you took ME2 as a concept for a piece of art, and you, as always, perform a step above the rest :V
[Whack]
I've got a character called "DickFace Shephard"! Guess what he did during the press interview in ME1!
I'm totally glad you took ME2 as a concept for a piece of art, and you, as always, perform a step above the rest :V
Indeed, very much a cyber-Che. Pretty much the only anime series I can just keep watching over and over is Ghost in the Shell.
You spoke of leaving behind the flesh and my mind went to their plan to save or free the ghosts of the refugees in cyber space.
Metal and plastic is limited, same as flesh and bone. It still breaks, wears down, needs maintenance and fuel.
You spoke of leaving behind the flesh and my mind went to their plan to save or free the ghosts of the refugees in cyber space.
Metal and plastic is limited, same as flesh and bone. It still breaks, wears down, needs maintenance and fuel.
True, any physical existence is subject to deterioration, but as we are now, does the prosthetic body and cyber-brain, not offer something worth looking into? Who wouldn't want to be able to run faster, jump higher, think more efficiently, send and receive informations instantly... live longer? True, there is nothing guaranteeing a "better" existence, just a different one. To me, it is worth it to try. I love life as a human, but I know that life so well. Even if it is irreversible, even if it is the loss of my body, to exist digitally might have merit in the experience alone. There is of course the physical cost of such an existence, but the more worrying is the potential cost of individuality. The one thing that concerns me about moving ahead into our digital evolutions, is that everyone has access to the same information instantly, with no limits. What is to stop us from becoming a gestalt? Is there any benefit to losing individuality and becoming a singular "human" entity? This might be worry-some, and yet maybe not, maybe it the next step in our slow progression toward the return to the source. I suppose time will tell, or we will tell time, however you philosophy prefers to look at it. Regardless, it is rather tantalizing and at the very least stimulating to think about the possibilities.
I agree about GITS, I have watched the anime series too many time to count at this point, and all in the last year alone.
I agree about GITS, I have watched the anime series too many time to count at this point, and all in the last year alone.
One of the greatest challenges we face in that not so future science of cyberization, is the same old philosophical problem we've been faced with for thousands of years. What constitutes life, what constitutes consciousness, and what is it about the human brain that makes it so unique and how does it even work? We understand so little of the brain's functions and so little of the purpose of the majority of it, unless there is some drastic breakthrough in mapping the purpose and functions of the brain, we may never be able to fully take grasp of the possibility of artificial life. Without intimate knowledge of all the functions of the brain and a solid concrete understanding of what defines human life, we'd be running the gambit of simply killing the humanity or consciousness of the test subjects, or creating some type of emotionless, or humanity-less monster that we don't know what to do with and is capable of untold developments, something like project 2501 in reverse, an intelligent and independent being without true sentience.
I also fear the uncontrolled, unrelenting, undenied pursuit of purely logical thought. I've come to a great many depressing and self defeating conundrums by simply following things out to their rational end. I fear creating a race of things which are or will develop into due to previously mentioned process, sociopaths, which feel no emotions and cannot relate to or empathize with other people. They would be unlimited, masterful manipulators and controllers, possibly also murderers, and that's perhaps the worst face of humanity.
I also fear the uncontrolled, unrelenting, undenied pursuit of purely logical thought. I've come to a great many depressing and self defeating conundrums by simply following things out to their rational end. I fear creating a race of things which are or will develop into due to previously mentioned process, sociopaths, which feel no emotions and cannot relate to or empathize with other people. They would be unlimited, masterful manipulators and controllers, possibly also murderers, and that's perhaps the worst face of humanity.
You seem unduly pessimistic about our future as a tool-using species. Before I go much further, let me link you to this, as it sounds like it's relevant to your interests:
http://hplusmagazine.com/
http://singularityhub.com/
And more to the point, http://singularityhub.com/2010/03/2.....eo/#more-14219
Making friendly AI and keeping uploads from going mad in the process is something a lot of very smart people with lots of resources are putting a lot of effort into. The problem will be solved sooner or later, and it's likely that unless you die violently (accident, suicide, violence, disaster) you'll live long enough to see it solved given the rate of accelerating progress in medical fields these days.
Tell you what: I'll just link you to Ray Kurzweil's big list of predictions. You look at his past-to-now list, you'll get the impression he's more right than wrong. If you assume that trend will hold, Human 2.0 will hit in about 20 years, and 3.0 will be ready ten years after that. (Tangentally, I'm not sure if you'll be able to make a furry 2.0 body, but 3.0 is full-blown shapeshifting nanotech bodies, T-1000 style. This will be a good time to be a furry.) At that point, as long as it may take to design a proper human-AI transition system, you'll almost certainly live long enough to sublimate.
http://hplusmagazine.com/
http://singularityhub.com/
And more to the point, http://singularityhub.com/2010/03/2.....eo/#more-14219
Making friendly AI and keeping uploads from going mad in the process is something a lot of very smart people with lots of resources are putting a lot of effort into. The problem will be solved sooner or later, and it's likely that unless you die violently (accident, suicide, violence, disaster) you'll live long enough to see it solved given the rate of accelerating progress in medical fields these days.
Tell you what: I'll just link you to Ray Kurzweil's big list of predictions. You look at his past-to-now list, you'll get the impression he's more right than wrong. If you assume that trend will hold, Human 2.0 will hit in about 20 years, and 3.0 will be ready ten years after that. (Tangentally, I'm not sure if you'll be able to make a furry 2.0 body, but 3.0 is full-blown shapeshifting nanotech bodies, T-1000 style. This will be a good time to be a furry.) At that point, as long as it may take to design a proper human-AI transition system, you'll almost certainly live long enough to sublimate.
I don't think it's as simple as you make it sound, or as simple as they make it sound. As I said, there is more to a human than simply the structure of the brain. We can't even stop a brain from destroying itself or have any medical cure for any mental diseases, only mask symptoms. We lack fundamental understandings of the brain, all we can do right now is do crude scans of the brain and guess that one area might be responsible for an area of our thoughts or emotions and guess that since there's more activity there than other places that something having to with some guessed at base area of our consciousness is going on. You go from that to trying to recreate memories and a consciousness in a different medium, electronics? I'm not even sure it's ever going to be possible.
Even if it were, there are so many ramifications and complications and the huge moral questions if such research can even be allowed to take place. Over population and destruction of resources are already an overwhelming problem with no end or solution in site, if all of a sudden we make people immortal, where they consume even more resources than before for infinity? We'd end up destroying the entire universe like a mechanical disease. Also what happens when there are errors in these new brains, and you knew there will be. What happens with a human electronic brain crashes? Or there is a power interruption, or any other mechanical problem or error? What would happen to a consciousness that is allowed to exist in an untiring, unsleeping, unrelenting, unending state? How long would they exist before going insane and become dangerous liabilities? What if they commit crimes, how will they be stopped or punished? Will they have the same rights as human beings, be able to be in sensitive positions in military or government. There are just ani infinite number of questions that do not have anime simple answers.
This is not a simple thing, this isn't star trek or some video game, you don't just scan a brain and stick it in a human looking body and it just run along working like before, no problems or complications.
Even if it were, there are so many ramifications and complications and the huge moral questions if such research can even be allowed to take place. Over population and destruction of resources are already an overwhelming problem with no end or solution in site, if all of a sudden we make people immortal, where they consume even more resources than before for infinity? We'd end up destroying the entire universe like a mechanical disease. Also what happens when there are errors in these new brains, and you knew there will be. What happens with a human electronic brain crashes? Or there is a power interruption, or any other mechanical problem or error? What would happen to a consciousness that is allowed to exist in an untiring, unsleeping, unrelenting, unending state? How long would they exist before going insane and become dangerous liabilities? What if they commit crimes, how will they be stopped or punished? Will they have the same rights as human beings, be able to be in sensitive positions in military or government. There are just ani infinite number of questions that do not have anime simple answers.
This is not a simple thing, this isn't star trek or some video game, you don't just scan a brain and stick it in a human looking body and it just run along working like before, no problems or complications.
I never said it was simple, and I'm standing on the shoulders of giants to suggest this plan.
The first such scans are likely to be performed on dead brains, in order to gain that functional, structural understanding of the brain you're talking about. Then you start in on bodies donated to science, people who're legally dead and don't expect success.
Didn't IBM map the fundamental neocortex of a rat? Once you have one, the parts of the brain that regulate the personality can be constructed from those alone; deep-brain stuff is firmware and BIOS and drivers and signal processing. That can be abstracted much more easily than general intelligence.
Overpopulation is less of a problem when you can run water cooling into the regolith, lay down solar panels, and let your transhumance population live in a virtual reality based on the Moon while their day job is mining for helium-3. You say "We'd end up destroying the entire universe like a mechanical disease." but humanity is also the only kind of life that's capable of going to the stars (that we've yet discovered); we're also the only kind of life that engages in this sort of moral debate. Yes, we *will* end up more or less eating the universe in the really long term, but nobody will really mind or begrudge us the asteroid belt of an otherwise barren, sterile star system. I would be more surprised if people, as a whole, suffering some kind of existential boredom and/or loneliness, welcome into whatever political structure and civilization may exist, any alien life we encounter. On the sort of scales we're talking about, we'll value the company a whole lot more than the resources.
You also ask, "What happens with a human electronic brain crashes? Or there is a power interruption, or any other mechanical problem or error?" to which I answer, frequent incremental backups. I find "death" followed by restoring from backups to be morally equivalent to getting hit in the head and suffering amnesia.
"How long would they exist before going insane and become dangerous liabilities?" People are living 110 years these days, at the extreme, without going batshit.
"What if they commit crimes, how will they be stopped or punished?" I'd go out on a limb and suggest we'll try shooting at them, and it'll probably work.
"There are just an infinite number of questions that do not have anime simple answers." And that is not a good reason not to try to solve them. If we wait for perfection, the sun will burn out before we answer them. The fact that we're already thinking about and working through these questions ahead of time will give us a framework to react quickly to unpredictable problems as they come up - and that's fundamentally unlike most/all previous revolutions in human technology.
The first such scans are likely to be performed on dead brains, in order to gain that functional, structural understanding of the brain you're talking about. Then you start in on bodies donated to science, people who're legally dead and don't expect success.
Didn't IBM map the fundamental neocortex of a rat? Once you have one, the parts of the brain that regulate the personality can be constructed from those alone; deep-brain stuff is firmware and BIOS and drivers and signal processing. That can be abstracted much more easily than general intelligence.
Overpopulation is less of a problem when you can run water cooling into the regolith, lay down solar panels, and let your transhumance population live in a virtual reality based on the Moon while their day job is mining for helium-3. You say "We'd end up destroying the entire universe like a mechanical disease." but humanity is also the only kind of life that's capable of going to the stars (that we've yet discovered); we're also the only kind of life that engages in this sort of moral debate. Yes, we *will* end up more or less eating the universe in the really long term, but nobody will really mind or begrudge us the asteroid belt of an otherwise barren, sterile star system. I would be more surprised if people, as a whole, suffering some kind of existential boredom and/or loneliness, welcome into whatever political structure and civilization may exist, any alien life we encounter. On the sort of scales we're talking about, we'll value the company a whole lot more than the resources.
You also ask, "What happens with a human electronic brain crashes? Or there is a power interruption, or any other mechanical problem or error?" to which I answer, frequent incremental backups. I find "death" followed by restoring from backups to be morally equivalent to getting hit in the head and suffering amnesia.
"How long would they exist before going insane and become dangerous liabilities?" People are living 110 years these days, at the extreme, without going batshit.
"What if they commit crimes, how will they be stopped or punished?" I'd go out on a limb and suggest we'll try shooting at them, and it'll probably work.
"There are just an infinite number of questions that do not have anime simple answers." And that is not a good reason not to try to solve them. If we wait for perfection, the sun will burn out before we answer them. The fact that we're already thinking about and working through these questions ahead of time will give us a framework to react quickly to unpredictable problems as they come up - and that's fundamentally unlike most/all previous revolutions in human technology.
There are still a whole pandora's box of problems with your plan, and anyone's plan with this. You suggest mapping the cortex of dead people or those who aren't expected to recover, but wouldn't you need a fully functional, fully healthy brain to properly map something correctly and end up with a healthy brain copy? Speaking of brain copies, you suggest using backups to avoid the obvious problem of crashing and thus dying. What's to stop people from just cloning themselves infinity? It would only take one individual or one artificial intelligence to carry out innumerable suicide bombings or murders. Say someone wants to murder someone, all they have to do is kill them, let themselves be caught or killed, and reload themselves automatically in a different body? Or people from taking over other bodies through cloning transfers and hacking? We can't stop people from getting into the pentagon, how could we stop them from getting into someone else's brain?
This is just a true pandora's box of problems, the possibility of infinite beings is something that we cannot just jump into. There is simply no way to regulate this type of thing, or police it, and they would have no rights, you simply couldn't allow them to be treated the same as people who are actually living.
This is just a true pandora's box of problems, the possibility of infinite beings is something that we cannot just jump into. There is simply no way to regulate this type of thing, or police it, and they would have no rights, you simply couldn't allow them to be treated the same as people who are actually living.
Well, that's a good question re: living brains. I assume we'll perfect the technique on the same animal models we use for everything else in medical research.
Re: crime prevention, Ghost in the Shell solves a lot of that, actually.
Re: copying, you won't be you after too much divergence, unless you keep you in sync across multiple prosthetic bodies - which would be great.
If humanity's not willing to accept posthumans among them, well, the posthumans are in a truly excellent position and would have a huge advantage in colonizing and terraforming the rest of the solar system.
Re: crime prevention, Ghost in the Shell solves a lot of that, actually.
Re: copying, you won't be you after too much divergence, unless you keep you in sync across multiple prosthetic bodies - which would be great.
If humanity's not willing to accept posthumans among them, well, the posthumans are in a truly excellent position and would have a huge advantage in colonizing and terraforming the rest of the solar system.
Assuming that terraforming is even possible, much less within the grasp of our technology in any foreseeable future. We can't even power our own planet, how could we expect to power something capable of changing and entire planet's ecosystem, somehow creating life and a livable environment where none developed on its own. Think about how huge air conditioners are and how little they are able to effect the temperature of a single room and how much power they consume, now imagine an entire planet that is hundreds of degrees out of livable and have huge storms and volcanoes. Then of course they have to actually buy and get that technology there, where we have yet been able to send any manned missions.
You can't just throw out some terms you hear about in some sci-fi movie and ignore all the practical problems and impossibilities that exist. I love ghost in the shell and star trek and the rest, but a poorly thought out sci-fi movie drives me up the wall when they fly in the face of facts and ignore problems.
You can't just throw out some terms you hear about in some sci-fi movie and ignore all the practical problems and impossibilities that exist. I love ghost in the shell and star trek and the rest, but a poorly thought out sci-fi movie drives me up the wall when they fly in the face of facts and ignore problems.
Why the hell fly an air conditioner to the moon? Fly a solar panel factory there, and call it a day.
You use the energy from the first ones to build more, until you have enough wattage, and then you use that power to run a robot factory that builds you mobile industrial robots that do all the work. It's a massive investment in time, but to the immortal, it'd be a vastly satisfying project.
Bringing manned missions into it is somewhat non-sequitor, since we're discussing solid-state people here.
You use the energy from the first ones to build more, until you have enough wattage, and then you use that power to run a robot factory that builds you mobile industrial robots that do all the work. It's a massive investment in time, but to the immortal, it'd be a vastly satisfying project.
Bringing manned missions into it is somewhat non-sequitor, since we're discussing solid-state people here.
See, you're just using terms made up by a cartoon now...a solar panel won't power hardly anything, it can power a camera or a tiny robot, but it cant power a huge facility and it would cost trillions upon trillions of dollars to put into action, and all for what? So a select few people can be immortal while half the world lives in poverty and starves to death or dies of preventable diseases? Humanity has real problems to deal with, and we should focus on making the lives of the people on this planet livable and worth while before we consider going out and making another planet. With the money to make a small facility on the moon you could probably feed and build an economy for half of Africa. It's a huge waste of resources and technology when we have real problems here.
If we were to actually make artificial people, they would not be solid-state, solid state is when a piece of electronics is made up of all solid materials, no gases or liquids or gels or whatever. We'd almost have to use some type of non-solids to make some sort of artificial being or brain.
Do you have any idea how much energy an Asimov array could provide? Let me put it bluntly: enough to build a robotically assembled moon-city spanning the whole moon, if you're patient.
If you're a crazy fuck and build the array on Mercury, you use only 10% efficient panels, turn the power into antimatter with 1% efficiency, and ship it back to earth where it's burned at only 50% efficiency, you have enough energy to launch a Valkrye-style relatavistic starship every ten years, while providing too-cheap-to-meter power to all of Earth's civilization. You can then use this power to run the chemical plants to make fertilizer for Africa from Chinese industrial waste.
Or hell, orbiting solar farms would be far quicker to deploy - if about the same cost, and the transmission efficiency should rise above a half a percent. Using them, we could launch starwisps every time we needed to test a new panel, and still come out vasty ahead.
Also, what is this about terms made up by a cartoon? Everything I'm quoting has fairly serious science behind it. Also, remember - for every dollar spent on space exploration, $3 of value is created in the economy. Velcro, Tang, ballpoint pens... all of this and so much more I'm too lazy to google up at 12:53 am is a product of the aerospace industry. Or tell you what, NASA has a page devoted to spinoff technology. Have at: http://www.sti.nasa.gov/tto/
If you're a crazy fuck and build the array on Mercury, you use only 10% efficient panels, turn the power into antimatter with 1% efficiency, and ship it back to earth where it's burned at only 50% efficiency, you have enough energy to launch a Valkrye-style relatavistic starship every ten years, while providing too-cheap-to-meter power to all of Earth's civilization. You can then use this power to run the chemical plants to make fertilizer for Africa from Chinese industrial waste.
Or hell, orbiting solar farms would be far quicker to deploy - if about the same cost, and the transmission efficiency should rise above a half a percent. Using them, we could launch starwisps every time we needed to test a new panel, and still come out vasty ahead.
Also, what is this about terms made up by a cartoon? Everything I'm quoting has fairly serious science behind it. Also, remember - for every dollar spent on space exploration, $3 of value is created in the economy. Velcro, Tang, ballpoint pens... all of this and so much more I'm too lazy to google up at 12:53 am is a product of the aerospace industry. Or tell you what, NASA has a page devoted to spinoff technology. Have at: http://www.sti.nasa.gov/tto/
Yeah...I'm not sure if you're seriously just out there or screwing with me...the only references of a Asimov Array I could find were made up by you on like 4chan or a furry roleplaying site for technology stuff. The only science made up by a notable Asimov was science fiction...I know the sun emmits anti-matter in small amounts but the sheer cost of putting something on Mercury and somehow getting energy back and forth some 50 million miles is just retarded... I say what about the practical problems and people on earth who need real, doable help to fix real, solvable problems and you just ignore all of it and go off on your science fiction dream crap...whatever, don't bother replying, there's nothing to be proved or solved by this, you didn't bring a lot of credibility to your argument with going off on this branch of science...
An Asimov array is a world-spanning solar power plant. In this case, it's powering a particle accelerator that's manufacturing antimatter like they do at CERN. It's touched upon here, where someone who met the man explains the concept (very briefly).
http://www.charlespellegrino.com/propulsion.htm
My point by bringing this up is to point out that solid-state people and conventional meat ones will not be competing for the same resources and our digital immortals can be supported relatively cheaply per capita on the Moon. This will yield a glut of smart people with no pressing needs, whose attentions can then be turned to solving terrestrial problems with some sort of X-prize system as a motivator (such prizes already being exceedingly effective motivators).
Your argument seems to boil down to the premise that, "unless there is some drastic breakthrough in mapping the purpose and functions of the brain, we may never be able to fully take grasp of the possibility of artificial life"
I pointed out that such breakthrough-producing research is being actively pursued.
Your last argument seems to be that we should focus on solving terrestrial problems endemic to poverty before we attempt to do science. Is that correct?
http://www.charlespellegrino.com/propulsion.htm
My point by bringing this up is to point out that solid-state people and conventional meat ones will not be competing for the same resources and our digital immortals can be supported relatively cheaply per capita on the Moon. This will yield a glut of smart people with no pressing needs, whose attentions can then be turned to solving terrestrial problems with some sort of X-prize system as a motivator (such prizes already being exceedingly effective motivators).
Your argument seems to boil down to the premise that, "unless there is some drastic breakthrough in mapping the purpose and functions of the brain, we may never be able to fully take grasp of the possibility of artificial life"
I pointed out that such breakthrough-producing research is being actively pursued.
Your last argument seems to be that we should focus on solving terrestrial problems endemic to poverty before we attempt to do science. Is that correct?
That, I suspect, is a false dichotomy. We are fundamentally changed by our experiences, and such an experience as that, all others kinda tend to pale in comparison. People say they don't want to be changed by such a thing, but that's just not possible. Not deliberately rewriting your personality is one thing, but you won't remain static.
My goal is to retain the best of humanity, to lose all the flaws, and to know when to make exceptions.
Besides, we won't jump straight to hive-mind. There'll be centuries where the most intimate we get is text information on demand, and Na'Vi hair sex. ;)
My goal is to retain the best of humanity, to lose all the flaws, and to know when to make exceptions.
Besides, we won't jump straight to hive-mind. There'll be centuries where the most intimate we get is text information on demand, and Na'Vi hair sex. ;)
Pretty striking image here. Sorry it took me so long to get around to it... My submissions got pretty rampantly backlogged.
I must say, I can't really share your philosophy about technology. I have a love/hate relationship with it, and I never trust it. It's a path toward human laziness, loss of control, and irreversible destruction of that which we didn't create. I know it's a cliche sentiment, what with all the popular media depicting technology destroying humanity and all, but... I just have to be inclined to agree.
I feel the need to move backwards, not forwards. We're stuck in a middle era that is the worst of both worlds. Our present existence is so terribly unnatural no person can feel fulfilled in life, yet not unnatural enough to divine new meaning.
I must say, I can't really share your philosophy about technology. I have a love/hate relationship with it, and I never trust it. It's a path toward human laziness, loss of control, and irreversible destruction of that which we didn't create. I know it's a cliche sentiment, what with all the popular media depicting technology destroying humanity and all, but... I just have to be inclined to agree.
I feel the need to move backwards, not forwards. We're stuck in a middle era that is the worst of both worlds. Our present existence is so terribly unnatural no person can feel fulfilled in life, yet not unnatural enough to divine new meaning.
Genius picture and very well painted! Really great artwork and it really transposts the philosophical matter and your position in it.
Your position is very interesting.
I kind of share it, though rather in the direction of biotech. Telomere regeneration and the regeneration of body parts has been tested and scientifically repeated, the only real problem is cancer, which is basically a problem of enhancing and adapting the immune system and programmed cell death system we already naturally have. There are people working on finding ways to defeat the different elements that make us age. A lifespan of 2000 years could be possibilie, maybe more.
I also believe in reincarnation so I am not so worried about mortality in the first place anymore.
The question is what a machine would need to be able to be inhabited by a soul and to enable communication between the soul and that machine's system. The question is wether mimicing the human brain is even the best way for that. A sufficiently advanced quantum computer could work as well. I am too much of a layman here to say if it is the right mechanism.
Replacing body parts with technology that works better or lasts longer, sure why not? If I need one and by that time they are available I might get one.
Your position is very interesting.
I kind of share it, though rather in the direction of biotech. Telomere regeneration and the regeneration of body parts has been tested and scientifically repeated, the only real problem is cancer, which is basically a problem of enhancing and adapting the immune system and programmed cell death system we already naturally have. There are people working on finding ways to defeat the different elements that make us age. A lifespan of 2000 years could be possibilie, maybe more.
I also believe in reincarnation so I am not so worried about mortality in the first place anymore.
The question is what a machine would need to be able to be inhabited by a soul and to enable communication between the soul and that machine's system. The question is wether mimicing the human brain is even the best way for that. A sufficiently advanced quantum computer could work as well. I am too much of a layman here to say if it is the right mechanism.
Replacing body parts with technology that works better or lasts longer, sure why not? If I need one and by that time they are available I might get one.
Wow very impressive =3 I really liked Mass Effect, i also felt inspired to do some pics but never finished them D:
Yay finally I find someone who also wants to become a cyberbeing hah, one would technically be able to live indefinitely if such a thing were possible, wich would be totally awesome, too many things to do and such little time we have been given =( Indeed balance is important, its one of the things I always keep in mind everyday of my life, we need to have a bit of everything but not too much of anything to stay sane hehe
Yay finally I find someone who also wants to become a cyberbeing hah, one would technically be able to live indefinitely if such a thing were possible, wich would be totally awesome, too many things to do and such little time we have been given =( Indeed balance is important, its one of the things I always keep in mind everyday of my life, we need to have a bit of everything but not too much of anything to stay sane hehe
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