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Funny, it didn't seem to matter when the livelyhood or workplaces of fellow blacks were destroyed. Or when other blacks were murdered [and still are since black on black violence is a thing that is constantly ignored by BLM as when it comes to that they can't go on a march to point fingers on the people they choose to blame] (Remember David Dorn? The retired black police chief who was shot by the rioters?) Also very poor choice of background I'd say. It hardly proves your point by suggesting destruction of property is okay.
But I get the feeling anything I just wrote down will be ignored, because I dared to think with my head and not just blindly repeat the mantra like the good little cultists should.
But I get the feeling anything I just wrote down will be ignored, because I dared to think with my head and not just blindly repeat the mantra like the good little cultists should.
And we can add 
LapinLazuli to the list of people who can't seem to grasp the concept of a different opinion.
LapinLazuli to the list of people who can't seem to grasp the concept of a different opinion.
Okay so instead of actually addressing what someone says you go dig for perceived dirt to try to smear them instead, and apparently you were determined because I didn't find any rape or Trump art in the first several pages and quit looking because it's irrelevant to the point anyway. And I don't even know what this randian shit is.
I always wince when I hear 'google it' because google can give you good and bad answers on a search. Searching BLM on Google can lead you to a well though-out piece explaining the whole thing written by the ACLU or whoever (sorry, I'm French, I do not know the names of other groups involved) but it can also lead you to that steaming dumpster fire that is fox news or any similar website.
You want to know why? Because it's all art I commissioned. That was done to stop some creepers from making weird comments on the original pieces of art I had done that they...liked a little too much, in the artist's own gallery. Especially of women feline characters I created. Disgusting comments. I can wipe those off my own postings of the art. I can't stop them from making the poor artist uncomfortable. So I just made it harder to jump to the original piece. Thankfully most of the creepers are also lazy.
Here's one I faved, a lovely depiction of one of my cats by SalKitten here. There you go. https://www.furaffinity.net/view/31365895/
Here's one I faved, a lovely depiction of one of my cats by SalKitten here. There you go. https://www.furaffinity.net/view/31365895/
No problem X3 Though he makes "Some" valid points, you can't just judge a group of people only by the vile actions of a few. It's kind of the reason why so many people are rising up right now. I also love his hypocritical statement in the end. "You won't listen to me, so I won't listen to you." Then why are you making comments? :/
Do you all realize that BLM was predicated on a complete and absolute lie? This comment list and art associated pretty much sums up what BLM is, a bunch of self-righteous, angry, narrow-minded fools who shut down any opposing viewpoint with hatred. BLM isn't bout Black Lives considering all the Black lives lost, ignored, and ruined because of BLM. It is my wish that you all will learn that, but if you react to reality this way, only chaos and destruction will follow in your wake. Salkitten, you disappoint me. It is a shame that your artistic talent is wasted like this.
BLM was started as a response to racial violence from the police force towards people of color. This isn't a lie but something people of color live with. Also, by extension, the racially oppressive system that America has built up over the years which can be easily researched with things like redlining and such.
Do you have resources for lives lost by BLM?
Destruction is kinda the point. Destruct the harmful to build up something better. Like a house filled with mold and problem support beams comes down to build up a more structurally sound and safe home for all.
Artists and draw as they wish, anyways. They don't have to do artwork for you or anyone else unless it's a commissioned piece like this. Seems it wasn't wasted at all.
Do you have resources for lives lost by BLM?
Destruction is kinda the point. Destruct the harmful to build up something better. Like a house filled with mold and problem support beams comes down to build up a more structurally sound and safe home for all.
Artists and draw as they wish, anyways. They don't have to do artwork for you or anyone else unless it's a commissioned piece like this. Seems it wasn't wasted at all.
Get rid of both that mate397 dude and kaylie she's a hypocrite her husband or boyfriend kadath pal around and talk with a white racist uncle tom who claims to be a minority yet draws pro andy NGO proudboy propaganda and antewaffen propaganda and other Nazifur trash people instead of banning them and telling them to go to hell like you do.
So yeah don't associate with nazifurs and sympathizers also are any of you left people working to get rid of nazifur trash or mods that sympathize with them???
So yeah don't associate with nazifurs and sympathizers also are any of you left people working to get rid of nazifur trash or mods that sympathize with them???
I find conservative dogmatist to be more cultist than free thinking left leaning individuals. Your tired tirade reads like white priviliged dogma.
Human rights are not up for debate. They're just not.
And ignoring that years of peaceful protest accomplished nothing compared to a few weeks of violence. Yeah, America was not founded on peaceful revolution. But I guess, expecting you to read a history book is a bit much.
Human rights are not up for debate. They're just not.
And ignoring that years of peaceful protest accomplished nothing compared to a few weeks of violence. Yeah, America was not founded on peaceful revolution. But I guess, expecting you to read a history book is a bit much.
Exactly. Look what’s happening all of a sudden even in the American zeitgeist. All of a sudden, all the brands with legacy labeling from racist minstrel depictions are taking action. Even NASCAR banned the confederate flag...NASCAR!
Minneapolis is ostensibly disbanding their police with a long history of previously ignored racist abuse and starting over, and they need to be held to that.
Decades of “peaceful protest” did NOTHING.
And look what’s happened in just a few weeks after a long overdue breaking point.
Look who the sentiment is shifting to in polls. It’s not the racists. What happened jarred a lot of people out of a comfortable stupor.
Hopefully they stay awake.
And yes. History. The British only oppressed the colonists more and more, imprisoning, seizing property, abusing, laughing at their demands...until they had enough and responded with violence, defeating what was at the time the world’s pre-eminent military. In that breaking point, the first to fall was a black man protesting in Boston, sailor Crispus Attucks. There’s a plaque on the street that shows where he fell.
A week ago, military police parked a Humvee on it while men with assault rifles threatened protesters.
The fight continues.
Minneapolis is ostensibly disbanding their police with a long history of previously ignored racist abuse and starting over, and they need to be held to that.
Decades of “peaceful protest” did NOTHING.
And look what’s happened in just a few weeks after a long overdue breaking point.
Look who the sentiment is shifting to in polls. It’s not the racists. What happened jarred a lot of people out of a comfortable stupor.
Hopefully they stay awake.
And yes. History. The British only oppressed the colonists more and more, imprisoning, seizing property, abusing, laughing at their demands...until they had enough and responded with violence, defeating what was at the time the world’s pre-eminent military. In that breaking point, the first to fall was a black man protesting in Boston, sailor Crispus Attucks. There’s a plaque on the street that shows where he fell.
A week ago, military police parked a Humvee on it while men with assault rifles threatened protesters.
The fight continues.
I look at it this way, and perhaps it will help you too; because I used to ball all of those things up into one problem as well.
While there is injustice within the black community, and that is a problem that must be seen to, it can be seen to far more easily once lingering systemic problems are dealt with (most of which would alleviate many of the struggles for the poor white classes as well, to be honest). I like to approach things now from the perspective of one step at a time. Compartmentalize, tackle slowly.
The trouble with rolling too many issues together is that it ultimately solves nothing. It also muddies the message that good and honest people are trying to put forward.
For this image in particular, rather than the firey backdrop being in support of destruction, it comes off to me as symbolic. That fire is anger, it is desperation, it is the voice of the unheard. It is the tea in the harbor. It is the chemical reaction to a lop-sided society that favors the obscenely rich, exclusively. Likewise sometimes, sadly, violence/vandalism is the only way to get attention. It is after all how we gained independence from England.
Anyhow, I understand your perspective; but I truly believe you are placing too many objects into one box, so to speak.
While there is injustice within the black community, and that is a problem that must be seen to, it can be seen to far more easily once lingering systemic problems are dealt with (most of which would alleviate many of the struggles for the poor white classes as well, to be honest). I like to approach things now from the perspective of one step at a time. Compartmentalize, tackle slowly.
The trouble with rolling too many issues together is that it ultimately solves nothing. It also muddies the message that good and honest people are trying to put forward.
For this image in particular, rather than the firey backdrop being in support of destruction, it comes off to me as symbolic. That fire is anger, it is desperation, it is the voice of the unheard. It is the tea in the harbor. It is the chemical reaction to a lop-sided society that favors the obscenely rich, exclusively. Likewise sometimes, sadly, violence/vandalism is the only way to get attention. It is after all how we gained independence from England.
Anyhow, I understand your perspective; but I truly believe you are placing too many objects into one box, so to speak.
So what is your point? You're saying there's no use repeating a well-meant mantra because ...what, things happened in the past so it's useless? There's not even a point that's been made.
There's systemic racism, burn down the government if that's required to solve it. Rage and riot against anyone who thinks someone else is less worthy because of superficial reasons like that.
There's systemic racism, burn down the government if that's required to solve it. Rage and riot against anyone who thinks someone else is less worthy because of superficial reasons like that.
It is important to note, you fucking imbecile, that BLM has had outreach programs for violent black communities SINCE IT WAS FOUNDED!! Not after a racist like yourself pointed out the myth of black on black violence, but from the first.
It is also important to note that black people dont kill other black people for being black.
It is also important to note that black people dont kill other black people for being black.
I won't lie, I moved my entire social life out of this community and into another one. Most communities turf these people out oh their ears. Furry is the only one I've ever seen that has done so little to shrug off their filth. Maybe it's because they're feeling now empowered nowadays, and maybe it's because of the typical old problem with furs just not reading social cues, but they are far more outspoken in this community than any other that I've seen outside of actual communities based around racism. And it's even worse on inkbunny - I've no idea why but it's genuinely just repugnant.
I tell you what. You start listing police killed unjustly by protesters and I'll start listing random-ass people killed unjustly by police. Whoever can list more of them wins.
https://interactive.aljazeera.com/a.....mes/index.html
Please note: The police should not, ideally, be tasked with the extrajudicial murder of a criminal even if they are unambiguously guilty of a crime. The United States and most other countries have some sort of due process right, and police took in a man without killing him during the protests who ran down protesters and shot indiscriminately into a crowd. You're going to have to do better than "well they were a criminal so they deserved to die on the street" to show that any of these were "just", if you decide to attack this list.
https://interactive.aljazeera.com/a.....mes/index.html
Please note: The police should not, ideally, be tasked with the extrajudicial murder of a criminal even if they are unambiguously guilty of a crime. The United States and most other countries have some sort of due process right, and police took in a man without killing him during the protests who ran down protesters and shot indiscriminately into a crowd. You're going to have to do better than "well they were a criminal so they deserved to die on the street" to show that any of these were "just", if you decide to attack this list.
Most of the last round of protests were actually peaceful until escalated by the police or (in some cases), purposefully escalated by someone outside the protest. (I say that because that's what happened here.)
Black on black crime is a bit of a derailing topic since BLM is about systemic oppression overall and specifically about the violence faced by the police. However, black-on-black crime happens at a similar rate as white-on-white crime in similar areas with similar economic standing. So is a bit of a mute point anyways.
It's sad when black cops get killed. That does not mean that they aren't being racist and/or supporting/contributing to a racist organization, though. It's troublesome, but does happen. Loss of life in general is bad. But cops, no matter the skin color, sign up for that risk. People of color do not. Major difference there.
Destruction of property has historically been a major part of protests. Plus, from an artistic point, it makes well with the "fires of change" and "fires of passion" ideas. So literally or metaphorically, it makes sense. Plus, intended or not, fires are happening, so it just makes sense to include it. It makes for a powerful image if nothing else. Don't forget, protests are suppose to be kinda in your face and uncomfortable. Otherwise, nothing would come of it. It's to get people to feel awkward and uncomfortable so that things happen.
Not being a "cultist" and I think it's hypocritical to say that you think people will just write you off just for disagreeing with you while writing off everyone who disagrees with you.
Black on black crime is a bit of a derailing topic since BLM is about systemic oppression overall and specifically about the violence faced by the police. However, black-on-black crime happens at a similar rate as white-on-white crime in similar areas with similar economic standing. So is a bit of a mute point anyways.
It's sad when black cops get killed. That does not mean that they aren't being racist and/or supporting/contributing to a racist organization, though. It's troublesome, but does happen. Loss of life in general is bad. But cops, no matter the skin color, sign up for that risk. People of color do not. Major difference there.
Destruction of property has historically been a major part of protests. Plus, from an artistic point, it makes well with the "fires of change" and "fires of passion" ideas. So literally or metaphorically, it makes sense. Plus, intended or not, fires are happening, so it just makes sense to include it. It makes for a powerful image if nothing else. Don't forget, protests are suppose to be kinda in your face and uncomfortable. Otherwise, nothing would come of it. It's to get people to feel awkward and uncomfortable so that things happen.
Not being a "cultist" and I think it's hypocritical to say that you think people will just write you off just for disagreeing with you while writing off everyone who disagrees with you.
Powerful framing and lighting, from a technical standpoint.
But this goes way beyond that. Meaningful message, and probably very personal to the client. Nicely done.
And hell yes I support BLM as an ally. Everyone with a conscience should, this is the last best hope for real change, not just the same old same old words and muddle back into abuse as every “promise of reform” has. Not this time.
But this goes way beyond that. Meaningful message, and probably very personal to the client. Nicely done.
And hell yes I support BLM as an ally. Everyone with a conscience should, this is the last best hope for real change, not just the same old same old words and muddle back into abuse as every “promise of reform” has. Not this time.
You're welcome! We're on the same page and I'm glad to see art like this, glad to help educate those who just don't get it...and to expose the fallacies and naked hate of the truly execrable that crawl out from under their rock to spew venom on threads like this.
You did powerful art that captures pain and frustration, be proud of that, never apologize to anyone, and to hell with the haters. This past few weeks have started something that I hope continues.
One, in the police breakdown and reformation as something different, which HAS to happen, no more brutalization, marginalization and outright murder of members of the black community. No more stopping for driving too nice a car while black, or in the wrong neighborhood, no more shouting and tasers and shooting in the back by roid rage fratboy white cops. That has to end.
Also, society in general, which is a stunning development. I do marketing, and I never thought I'd see the cringe that is racist icon legacy brands suddenly wake up and change. Ad history classes, I know full well Aunt Jemima was a stereotype "mammy" with the awful "lawdy" dialog and all. The other brands were also based on stereotypes and subservience. And they're gone. Just like that. I don't want to see backtrack on that, either.
Hope for change for the better, and art can help drive that. You did good.
You did powerful art that captures pain and frustration, be proud of that, never apologize to anyone, and to hell with the haters. This past few weeks have started something that I hope continues.
One, in the police breakdown and reformation as something different, which HAS to happen, no more brutalization, marginalization and outright murder of members of the black community. No more stopping for driving too nice a car while black, or in the wrong neighborhood, no more shouting and tasers and shooting in the back by roid rage fratboy white cops. That has to end.
Also, society in general, which is a stunning development. I do marketing, and I never thought I'd see the cringe that is racist icon legacy brands suddenly wake up and change. Ad history classes, I know full well Aunt Jemima was a stereotype "mammy" with the awful "lawdy" dialog and all. The other brands were also based on stereotypes and subservience. And they're gone. Just like that. I don't want to see backtrack on that, either.
Hope for change for the better, and art can help drive that. You did good.
Yes, I agree, black lives do matter, and something does need to happen. A friend of mine, who is African American, was arrested while walking down the street. The officers didn't explain why he was being detained, they didn't let him call his family, they didn't even give him access to a lawyer. He was in prison for over six months, with no idea as to why he was in jail until he was finally released when the officers discovered that they had caught the wrong guy.
That said, I can also see why people are so strongly against this movement. Not to belittle your artwork, it's really well-drawn with powerful lighting and an intimidating figure, but it also serves as an example as to why so many people fear BLM. You'll note that when I described the character in the image, I used the word "intimidating." That's because when I first saw this image, my mind when straight to this, https://www.desktopbackground.org/p....._736x552_h.jpg I don't see someone who is being oppressed, I see a rider without an ax.
If BLM wants to bring more people to their side, then they should probably stop glorifying the rioters. Instead, they should use the same methods as Marten Luther King. He believed that the best way to defeat your enemy was to become friends with your enemy. His speeches didn't remind people of how evil his opponents were, nor did they encourage violence. Instead, he explained the problem to his opponents. He tried to make them understand that he didn't want venges but equality, and he reminded his side, "That he who lives by the sword dies by the sword."
I have no problem with the goals of BLM. I just question if their ends justify the means.
That said, I can also see why people are so strongly against this movement. Not to belittle your artwork, it's really well-drawn with powerful lighting and an intimidating figure, but it also serves as an example as to why so many people fear BLM. You'll note that when I described the character in the image, I used the word "intimidating." That's because when I first saw this image, my mind when straight to this, https://www.desktopbackground.org/p....._736x552_h.jpg I don't see someone who is being oppressed, I see a rider without an ax.
If BLM wants to bring more people to their side, then they should probably stop glorifying the rioters. Instead, they should use the same methods as Marten Luther King. He believed that the best way to defeat your enemy was to become friends with your enemy. His speeches didn't remind people of how evil his opponents were, nor did they encourage violence. Instead, he explained the problem to his opponents. He tried to make them understand that he didn't want venges but equality, and he reminded his side, "That he who lives by the sword dies by the sword."
I have no problem with the goals of BLM. I just question if their ends justify the means.
Yes. Think about why they make you uncomfortable. Is it because they want other people to literally die? Yeah. Then that's why. When we're uncomfortable as white people in the face of people of color talking about what racism has meant to them, it teaches us that our discomfort is barely a TASTE of what they go through every day, particularly because we're not usually the people those white power nazi's want to see dead.
A friend of mine from Louisiana once told me that as a southern black man he actually felt in more danger in the north than he did in his hometown of Kenner. After Katrina he was one of many who temporarily settled in Rochester, NY.
He told me stories about how they encountered far more skinheads and "Confederate-Yankees" in rural NY than they ever did in rural LA. I believe him, my family is largely north-Appalachian redneck and lemme tell ya, they run from ignorantly racist to blatantly racist across the board. The Confederate battle flag is flown fairly commonly up here in the sticks, including my brother's home. People decorate their houses for Trump 2020 like a holiday; no joke. My sister and I are the outliers.
He told me stories about how they encountered far more skinheads and "Confederate-Yankees" in rural NY than they ever did in rural LA. I believe him, my family is largely north-Appalachian redneck and lemme tell ya, they run from ignorantly racist to blatantly racist across the board. The Confederate battle flag is flown fairly commonly up here in the sticks, including my brother's home. People decorate their houses for Trump 2020 like a holiday; no joke. My sister and I are the outliers.
Boston is odd, there’s not racism in public spaces, but the real estate sure the hell is. The black community is in large part relegated to areas like Roxbury and Dorchester, underfunded schools and all. And, of course, the same police profiling issues as everywhere else.
In some ways it’s even more insidious, that it’s “we’ll all be happy and diverse on the Common and at the waterfront and in museums but you better not try to live near me”. The new Seaport luxury towers are almost entirely white.
Oh well. Hope for change.
In some ways it’s even more insidious, that it’s “we’ll all be happy and diverse on the Common and at the waterfront and in museums but you better not try to live near me”. The new Seaport luxury towers are almost entirely white.
Oh well. Hope for change.
Upstate NY and PA off the beaten path in particular tend to shock people their first time here. We're a lot more run-down and backwards than folks expect. Same goes for rural California too unfortunately. There are genuinely more areas in these two states that fit the negative stereotypes often tossed onto West Virginia than there are IN WV.
It's full of contradictory cultures and creeds, the western northeast.
It's full of contradictory cultures and creeds, the western northeast.
Mate397 started their debate by calling people who disagree with them cultists and writing people who have different opinions off. Can you blame people for not wanting to engage in that?
People have a right to decide who to engage with and who not to. Responding to a comment does not mean you aren't sitting with your thoughts and feelings and thinking about where the person is coming from. You can be sympathetic to a person, understanding where they are coming from, and still think that it's not worth responding to them or not your responsibility to be the one to reeducate them.
People have a right to decide who to engage with and who not to. Responding to a comment does not mean you aren't sitting with your thoughts and feelings and thinking about where the person is coming from. You can be sympathetic to a person, understanding where they are coming from, and still think that it's not worth responding to them or not your responsibility to be the one to reeducate them.
That is what we pacifists refer to as the absolute last resort, where you're trying to talk down a monster as opposed to a sain human. In which case, you are free to take up arms but end it quickly and only target the monster. I don't think things have gotten that bad, as of yet, far too many people support civil rights for these people to stay in power for long.
Yeah, I agree, this has been going on for far too long. You know it's bad when the only reason why civil rights have gone as far as it has is because we have outlived most of the raisest. Still, I would prefer that it came to an end without bloodshed. As is said, if you have to fight, end it quickly, and make sure that only the people that need to be punished are punished.
King was assassinated on a hotel balcony, and no meaningful police reform has taken place in the decades since. In fact, with the militarization of police, it’s gotten worse. It was dogs, water cannons and beatings with some shootings then. It’s bearcats, flashbangs into homes with children (even the wrong homes) and shouting raids with military weapons now. It’s tasers as an electric whip for lack of respect to a cop. Did you not see the Atlanta college kids tasered and pulled out of a car for being black near the protests? I thought the guy was dead, they tasered him from two sides at once and his eyes went empty...
It’s gotten WORSE for the black community. And it’s the height of arrogance for white people who aren’t profiled, harassed, or shot with impunity to say anything to disparage this increasing desperation of response. Especially if they do it from monochrome suburbs, which many do. It’s “let them eat cake” on violent, pervasive oppression.
In my opinion, be an ally, or back off. Ivory tower musings (pun intended) when mothers worry that their kids walking home can be targeted, even shot by police with impunity for being black are beyond arrogance. I suggest just listening and learning for a while instead.
It’s gotten WORSE for the black community. And it’s the height of arrogance for white people who aren’t profiled, harassed, or shot with impunity to say anything to disparage this increasing desperation of response. Especially if they do it from monochrome suburbs, which many do. It’s “let them eat cake” on violent, pervasive oppression.
In my opinion, be an ally, or back off. Ivory tower musings (pun intended) when mothers worry that their kids walking home can be targeted, even shot by police with impunity for being black are beyond arrogance. I suggest just listening and learning for a while instead.
I might say that if you see a skinny person with their fist up and think they're a jacked viking, the problem is not the skinny person's.
I also think it would be most useful to remember, in addition to Dr. King's ideals, he also said "A riot is the language of the unheard", and that he prefers a peace borne of the presence of justice than merely the absence of tension.
Also, let's check out what the racist establishment of the day thought of him: https://external-preview.redd.it/lGLEhIpykrvSMClckT0wh0KR_V8Ty7qxbDLLdiAWn6Q.jpg?width=480&auto=webp&s=688e737c194df6b4ca9c8f917590495a73996b35
And let's look at what the public think of Black Lives Matter now: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive.....attitudes.html
I think it's worth recognizing that your arguments are following in the footsteps of some very ugly factions of American history, and to also consider that, to be perfectly honest, rioting worked. I give you two main examples: The third precinct in Minneapolis burned down, and Minneapolis decided to disband its police department. Dr. King himself was assassinated, 110 cities rioted, and the Civil Rights Act was passed six days later.
I say this while simultaneously understanding that violence sucks and should not be necessary in a just society: We don't live in a just society, and sometimes you have to break shit to get noticed. Here's Stokley Carmichael saying it better than I could, of Dr. King:
"His major assumption was that if you are nonviolent, if you suffer, your opponent will see your suffering and will be moved to change his heart. That's very good. He only made one fallacious assumption: In order for nonviolence to work, your opponent must have a conscience. The United States has none."
Consider doing some reading beyond one black man -- or at least read everything that black man said -- to inform your understanding of white supremacy and the fight against it, eh?
I also think it would be most useful to remember, in addition to Dr. King's ideals, he also said "A riot is the language of the unheard", and that he prefers a peace borne of the presence of justice than merely the absence of tension.
Also, let's check out what the racist establishment of the day thought of him: https://external-preview.redd.it/lGLEhIpykrvSMClckT0wh0KR_V8Ty7qxbDLLdiAWn6Q.jpg?width=480&auto=webp&s=688e737c194df6b4ca9c8f917590495a73996b35
And let's look at what the public think of Black Lives Matter now: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive.....attitudes.html
I think it's worth recognizing that your arguments are following in the footsteps of some very ugly factions of American history, and to also consider that, to be perfectly honest, rioting worked. I give you two main examples: The third precinct in Minneapolis burned down, and Minneapolis decided to disband its police department. Dr. King himself was assassinated, 110 cities rioted, and the Civil Rights Act was passed six days later.
I say this while simultaneously understanding that violence sucks and should not be necessary in a just society: We don't live in a just society, and sometimes you have to break shit to get noticed. Here's Stokley Carmichael saying it better than I could, of Dr. King:
"His major assumption was that if you are nonviolent, if you suffer, your opponent will see your suffering and will be moved to change his heart. That's very good. He only made one fallacious assumption: In order for nonviolence to work, your opponent must have a conscience. The United States has none."
Consider doing some reading beyond one black man -- or at least read everything that black man said -- to inform your understanding of white supremacy and the fight against it, eh?
I don't think body mass has anything to do with how big a fire can get, or who it consumes.
I am also aware of Martin Luther's quote, "A riot is the language of the unheard," more importantly, I've listened to his entire speech on the mater. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-lWsXKRbeI
The speech not only condemns rioters but also tries to explain to his opponents why they are happening, to help them understand why they are happening, and to tell them the best way to stop them. As for riots "working," I recommend that you look up the Nika riots, an uprising that ended very badly for the rioters. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nika_riots Riots are effectively miniature wars, and like most wars, you can not predict how it's going to end, but you know that people will get hurt.
And since you want me to cite more than one person on the subject or riots, Gandhi and Obama are against them as well.
https://scroll.in/article/951507/what-gandhi-said-and-wrote-after-the-hindu-muslim-riots-before-indias-independence#:~:text=Gandhi%20held%20several%20public%20meetings,to%20the%20rioting%20and%20violence.&text=It%20says%20that%20I%20must%20not%20condemn%20the%20Hindus%20in%20Bihar.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news.....cuse-violence/
I'm not saying that you shouldn't fight, I'm asking you should at least try to do it with less bloodshed. Even Sun Tzu, the author of The Art of War, believed that the greatest victories were the ones won without bloodshed.
I am also aware of Martin Luther's quote, "A riot is the language of the unheard," more importantly, I've listened to his entire speech on the mater. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-lWsXKRbeI
The speech not only condemns rioters but also tries to explain to his opponents why they are happening, to help them understand why they are happening, and to tell them the best way to stop them. As for riots "working," I recommend that you look up the Nika riots, an uprising that ended very badly for the rioters. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nika_riots Riots are effectively miniature wars, and like most wars, you can not predict how it's going to end, but you know that people will get hurt.
And since you want me to cite more than one person on the subject or riots, Gandhi and Obama are against them as well.
https://scroll.in/article/951507/what-gandhi-said-and-wrote-after-the-hindu-muslim-riots-before-indias-independence#:~:text=Gandhi%20held%20several%20public%20meetings,to%20the%20rioting%20and%20violence.&text=It%20says%20that%20I%20must%20not%20condemn%20the%20Hindus%20in%20Bihar.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news.....cuse-violence/
I'm not saying that you shouldn't fight, I'm asking you should at least try to do it with less bloodshed. Even Sun Tzu, the author of The Art of War, believed that the greatest victories were the ones won without bloodshed.
Whoa whoa whoa hang on.
We've gone from destroying property to bloodshed, and I'm not sure why.
The rioters aren't the ones beating up and killing people. That is, in fact, what the protests are about. The bloodshed in the last couple of weeks has been almost exclusively perpetuated or started by police, who have also been beating and killing black people extrajudicially since its inception as an institution. There's a Twitter thread of senseless police brutality on Twitter that's gone on for over 400 entries -- each one video evidence of police harassing, choking, beating, or firing upon peaceful protesters.
Many of the protests have turned into police riots, which do end in bloodshed. Protester riots have largely destroyed buildings, like the third precinct, or statues, which, while violent, are not the same as them pulling someone out of a crowd to beat them up or murder them. Protesters are, for the most part, protecting each other, and defending theirselves against the police, who have been the aggressors in many cases.
So I don't get your line of thought. If you're against senseless, indiscriminate violence, you have your focus on the wrong group. The protest riots have had a purpose and a focus that the police riots simply haven't had.
We've gone from destroying property to bloodshed, and I'm not sure why.
The rioters aren't the ones beating up and killing people. That is, in fact, what the protests are about. The bloodshed in the last couple of weeks has been almost exclusively perpetuated or started by police, who have also been beating and killing black people extrajudicially since its inception as an institution. There's a Twitter thread of senseless police brutality on Twitter that's gone on for over 400 entries -- each one video evidence of police harassing, choking, beating, or firing upon peaceful protesters.
Many of the protests have turned into police riots, which do end in bloodshed. Protester riots have largely destroyed buildings, like the third precinct, or statues, which, while violent, are not the same as them pulling someone out of a crowd to beat them up or murder them. Protesters are, for the most part, protecting each other, and defending theirselves against the police, who have been the aggressors in many cases.
So I don't get your line of thought. If you're against senseless, indiscriminate violence, you have your focus on the wrong group. The protest riots have had a purpose and a focus that the police riots simply haven't had.
Uh, I've been focusing on both. O.o I know someone who has suffered from police brutality, in fact, I referred to it in my first post. I've also seen the reports of police becoming incredibly hostile towards protesters, ether out of fear of the protesters or because they are generally hateful of them.
As for the bloodshed, the rioters have been spilling blood. The one thing I do agree with on Max's post is that we can't just ignore when protesters or rosters shoot police officers, it's kind of hypocritical. What I don't like about his post is how narrow-minded it is. Most of the people that are getting hurt by the rioters are the rioters. Just recently, a group of them were tearing down a large stone statue, and the statue fell on top of them, killing at least one of them. Also, people tend to be inside buildings, and I don't think the rioters are asking them politely to leave.
My train of thought is the same as most pacifists. It takes two to fight.
As for the bloodshed, the rioters have been spilling blood. The one thing I do agree with on Max's post is that we can't just ignore when protesters or rosters shoot police officers, it's kind of hypocritical. What I don't like about his post is how narrow-minded it is. Most of the people that are getting hurt by the rioters are the rioters. Just recently, a group of them were tearing down a large stone statue, and the statue fell on top of them, killing at least one of them. Also, people tend to be inside buildings, and I don't think the rioters are asking them politely to leave.
My train of thought is the same as most pacifists. It takes two to fight.
I'm unsure whether you're referring to a different event, but if you're talking about Chris Green, he's a) alive, and b) was explicitly trying to keep other people back so the monument could topple safely. https://www.nydailynews.com/news/na.....tsq-story.html
I also need you to realize that I can grab a 400-plus entry twitter thread on intentional, deliberate, malicious police brutality, and you've given me one untargeted, albeit negligent, accident. I also need you to realize that in some pretty notable cases, violence against police is the work of white supremacists attempting to incite a race war, such as with the case of Steven Carillo. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati.....even-carrillo/
You're right, it does take two to fight. I wouldn't call a sustained pattern of violence against one group by another group with very little if any in the other direction 'a fight'.
I also need you to realize that I can grab a 400-plus entry twitter thread on intentional, deliberate, malicious police brutality, and you've given me one untargeted, albeit negligent, accident. I also need you to realize that in some pretty notable cases, violence against police is the work of white supremacists attempting to incite a race war, such as with the case of Steven Carillo. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati.....even-carrillo/
You're right, it does take two to fight. I wouldn't call a sustained pattern of violence against one group by another group with very little if any in the other direction 'a fight'.
Good to see he survived that. I still think it was stupid and irresponsible to bring down a giant statue.
Also, you can't blame every people shooting on a white supremacist conspiracy theory. Yes, I know that there are some wicked people out there that are trying to start a Second American Civil War. (One would even argue that we are already in one.) It's not just white supremacists, or a government conspiracy, or the Black Panthers. Some people just want to see the world burn.
Also, and I'm saying this for the last time, I bloody agree with you on the police brutality. I have seen those post, I have seen it first hand, I have even seen a cop clothesline an unarmed black man. Yes, something needs to be done. A large number of officers seem to have it out for African Americans. this violence needs to stop. What I don't agree with is burning everything down to get what you want. It's self-defeating, it's scaring all your potential supporters away, and it's making your enemies much, much stronger.
Finally, if you think that white supremacists are trying to start a race war, then why the blazes are you doing exactly what they want?
Also, you can't blame every people shooting on a white supremacist conspiracy theory. Yes, I know that there are some wicked people out there that are trying to start a Second American Civil War. (One would even argue that we are already in one.) It's not just white supremacists, or a government conspiracy, or the Black Panthers. Some people just want to see the world burn.
Also, and I'm saying this for the last time, I bloody agree with you on the police brutality. I have seen those post, I have seen it first hand, I have even seen a cop clothesline an unarmed black man. Yes, something needs to be done. A large number of officers seem to have it out for African Americans. this violence needs to stop. What I don't agree with is burning everything down to get what you want. It's self-defeating, it's scaring all your potential supporters away, and it's making your enemies much, much stronger.
Finally, if you think that white supremacists are trying to start a race war, then why the blazes are you doing exactly what they want?
I think it was stupid and irresponsible to allow the erection of a giant middle-finger to civil rights and drag one's feet on removing them once it became clear that people wanted these monuments to racism torn down, but that's just me.
If you notice, I'm not actually blaming every shooting on a white supremacist conspiracy theory. Protester anti-police aggression is actually quite rare, and in a significant number of cases, has been enacted by white supremacists.
I also reject your conclusions, and I have the last few weeks as my evidence. The third precinct in Minneapolis was burned to the ground, and the city council agreed to look into disbanding the police department. Those two events are not disconnected. The ruling class are, frankly, terrified of a full-scale revolution right now. The needle didn't move after Trayvon Martin. It didn't move after Eric Garner. It didn't move after Tamir Rice. It's moving now.
I think it's also worth pointing out that what looks like indiscriminate violence is in fact fairly strategic. Here's an article on why the Target was, well, targeted: https://www.adweek.com/retail/why-d.....-in-on-target/
The other major building burned down by protesters was the Third Precinct, a building housing the people who have been the cause of so much death and suffering.
So like, it's not everything, and it's not random. If you stop to look at the patterns, there's a method to the madness.
As for your last point... white supremacists are liars. It doesn't actually matter whether the protests are violent or not; Fox News ran images of the first few days of Minneapolis over and over because they couldn't find enough recent footage of violent protests, because none existed. Protests of any kind, in any context, are interpreted as violent no matter what actually happens in them. If BLM or any other antiracist organization tried to act in such a way that they wouldn't be demonized as violent and used as an excuse to start "retaliatory" violence, to be perfectly honest, they'd all have to go home and shut up.
You cannot withhold ammunition from a munitions factory. You cannot act only in ways that do not give your enemies a reason to hate you. They don't need a reason. They already hate you. And with all due respect, they're perfectly capable of causing their own mayhem to kick off the boogaloo. So from where I sit, there's literally no reason to push violent direct action off the table, because the outcome is largely the same whether it's done or not.
If you notice, I'm not actually blaming every shooting on a white supremacist conspiracy theory. Protester anti-police aggression is actually quite rare, and in a significant number of cases, has been enacted by white supremacists.
I also reject your conclusions, and I have the last few weeks as my evidence. The third precinct in Minneapolis was burned to the ground, and the city council agreed to look into disbanding the police department. Those two events are not disconnected. The ruling class are, frankly, terrified of a full-scale revolution right now. The needle didn't move after Trayvon Martin. It didn't move after Eric Garner. It didn't move after Tamir Rice. It's moving now.
I think it's also worth pointing out that what looks like indiscriminate violence is in fact fairly strategic. Here's an article on why the Target was, well, targeted: https://www.adweek.com/retail/why-d.....-in-on-target/
The other major building burned down by protesters was the Third Precinct, a building housing the people who have been the cause of so much death and suffering.
So like, it's not everything, and it's not random. If you stop to look at the patterns, there's a method to the madness.
As for your last point... white supremacists are liars. It doesn't actually matter whether the protests are violent or not; Fox News ran images of the first few days of Minneapolis over and over because they couldn't find enough recent footage of violent protests, because none existed. Protests of any kind, in any context, are interpreted as violent no matter what actually happens in them. If BLM or any other antiracist organization tried to act in such a way that they wouldn't be demonized as violent and used as an excuse to start "retaliatory" violence, to be perfectly honest, they'd all have to go home and shut up.
You cannot withhold ammunition from a munitions factory. You cannot act only in ways that do not give your enemies a reason to hate you. They don't need a reason. They already hate you. And with all due respect, they're perfectly capable of causing their own mayhem to kick off the boogaloo. So from where I sit, there's literally no reason to push violent direct action off the table, because the outcome is largely the same whether it's done or not.
Problem is, Americans hated Martin Luther King too. He was utterly despised during his time. And then assassinated. And just recently, look at the malice and hate that simply kneeling caused. Peaceful measures have been tried again and again. Unfortunately they are easy to ignore and are still met with anger, hate, and even violence at times.
I think we need the peaceful leaders for change, yes. But just as change can't come from just violence, it can't be just the peace lovers either. It's a group effort. It takes all types of people to make a difference.
I think we need the peaceful leaders for change, yes. But just as change can't come from just violence, it can't be just the peace lovers either. It's a group effort. It takes all types of people to make a difference.
Adding onto my comment, it is important to also note that white people often judge angry black people much more harshly than angry white people. This is not an accident, but something directly intended by our government to help topple over the Black Panther movement when they were gaining steady traction.
Yeah, I saw that. Honestly, if white lives mattered so much to that guy, then why did he risk starting a revolt in a stadium full of people? And I agree, the pacifist does need to work with the warriors to ensure change, this nation wouldn't have existed otherwise. I just wish that the warriors would realize that when we tug on their leash, it's typical to stop them from hurting the innocent or going too far with their blood lust.
" Honestly, if white lives mattered so much to that guy, then why did he risk starting a revolt in a stadium full of people? "
I'm sorry, I don't understand this comment.
I think there's also a difference in opinions on when to "tug on their leash" though. And that the call needs to be made from someone inside the group, not outside it.
I'm sorry, I don't understand this comment.
I think there's also a difference in opinions on when to "tug on their leash" though. And that the call needs to be made from someone inside the group, not outside it.
Oh, I was referring to the airplane flying over the soccer stadium in Europe. I didn't know if that was what you were referring to when you mentioned people kneeling. If you were talking about in general, yeah, it's kind of ridiculous that people are so worked up over taking a knee. It's done out of respect for an injured player on the field, and right now, the nation is pretty messed up.
Oh, sorry. I'm not familiar with that incident. Here in the US, a famous football (US football) knelled during the pledge of allegiance as a protest about systemic oppression after speaking with a veteran on how to do the protest respectfully. There was a ton of anger about it. People even burned nike shoes and videotaped it (because Nike had him as a sponsor and advertising). :/
So yeah, I look at that when people talk about how they should do peaceful protests. Like, that was tried and people still got angry and violent. Not to mention peaceful protests that get teargassed and such.
So yeah, I look at that when people talk about how they should do peaceful protests. Like, that was tried and people still got angry and violent. Not to mention peaceful protests that get teargassed and such.
Black Lives Matter is not an attempt to devalue the lives of others. It's a movement aimed to elevate black Americans to even ground with others.
All lives do matter. Which is why it's all the more sad that black Americans, native Americans, and the poor in general are treated as though they matter less. BLM does not mean other lives don't matter, it means all lives should matter equally.
All lives do matter. Which is why it's all the more sad that black Americans, native Americans, and the poor in general are treated as though they matter less. BLM does not mean other lives don't matter, it means all lives should matter equally.
It is to raise blacks ABOVE everyone else, how can you call that "equal ground"?
Then they should call it ALL LIVES MATTER. If that is so, then why do they not want equality for Native Americans and other nationalities? Do only the black lives count? BLM only cares about black lives and also do not care if innocent black lives get in the way. They do not follow their own "philosophy". To them, all lives are equal...but some are more equal then others.
Then they should call it ALL LIVES MATTER. If that is so, then why do they not want equality for Native Americans and other nationalities? Do only the black lives count? BLM only cares about black lives and also do not care if innocent black lives get in the way. They do not follow their own "philosophy". To them, all lives are equal...but some are more equal then others.
I used to think like that. I get why it seems that way to you, I do. But it's not that way, I'm telling you. There are some bad seeds that have aped BLM for their own style of bigotry, this is true; but they do not represent the movement. They are just that, bad seeds.
The more perspectives I listened to and considered, the more I understood what is happening here. BLM may not directly address the lives of native Americans or impoverished whites, and that's okay; it doesn't mean they don't care. The issues they are tackling are shared with those groups but the message is specific.
Let me try to put it another way- If you build a house from the bottom up, one step at a time, you get a house. If you focus on the colors of the bathroom tile and want to see that the roof is being done correctly before the foundation has even been poured, you make no progress.
One step at a time. Do you understand what I mean by this?
The more perspectives I listened to and considered, the more I understood what is happening here. BLM may not directly address the lives of native Americans or impoverished whites, and that's okay; it doesn't mean they don't care. The issues they are tackling are shared with those groups but the message is specific.
Let me try to put it another way- If you build a house from the bottom up, one step at a time, you get a house. If you focus on the colors of the bathroom tile and want to see that the roof is being done correctly before the foundation has even been poured, you make no progress.
One step at a time. Do you understand what I mean by this?
Do you know of all the riots they have caused? All the people they have endangered and killed, even their fellow blacks, all because of a couple racist liberal cops? They judge ALL cops as a whole as being evil. So, is it only okay for BLM to be prejudiced against people?
How can you call all the damage they have caused to be a "peaceful protest" as the Liberal news constantly claim when there is footage all over to prove otherwise?
How can you call all the damage they have caused to be a "peaceful protest" as the Liberal news constantly claim when there is footage all over to prove otherwise?
You are dodging what I told you and putting words in my mouth. Buddy, I'm trying to be civil here. There's no reason for you not to listen, my goal isn't to attack. Relax.
The reason you give for the riots is extremely shallow and uninformed. I strongly suggest you do more digging on the whys and hows.
The reason you give for the riots is extremely shallow and uninformed. I strongly suggest you do more digging on the whys and hows.
Attack? You are the one acting like they are under attack. I am the one being civil here, and you are the one passing my words off as "putting words in your mouth". Calm down, little kid.
Your dodging of the truth is shallow and childish. That is advice you should follow yourself, kid.
Let me tell you a truth. Said truth is that is if a person, group, or institution is held sacred by too many people then they are, by definition, BEYOND criticism; and when a person, group, or institution is beyond criticism it seems they slip inevitably towards corruption.
Your dodging of the truth is shallow and childish. That is advice you should follow yourself, kid.
Let me tell you a truth. Said truth is that is if a person, group, or institution is held sacred by too many people then they are, by definition, BEYOND criticism; and when a person, group, or institution is beyond criticism it seems they slip inevitably towards corruption.
Never implied I did. Simply pointing out that such is a derailing topic (trying to make the debate about that instead of about systemic oppression and police brutality against minorities).
Not to mention the black on black crime is a bit of a myth as statistically it's not much different than white-on-white crime anyways. So, it's like, why bring it up anyways. Unless the point is to claim that black people, as a whole, are somehow more violent. An opinion which is, in and of itself, racist in nature.
Not to mention the black on black crime is a bit of a myth as statistically it's not much different than white-on-white crime anyways. So, it's like, why bring it up anyways. Unless the point is to claim that black people, as a whole, are somehow more violent. An opinion which is, in and of itself, racist in nature.
If all lives matter then why doesn't someone have a group like that?
No, all that phrase stands for is the simple truth. Denouncing me as a troll just because you disagree with what I say can make you come off as intolerant.
So, you don't believe in freedom of speech? So much for equality...
No, all that phrase stands for is the simple truth. Denouncing me as a troll just because you disagree with what I say can make you come off as intolerant.
So, you don't believe in freedom of speech? So much for equality...
"Little girl?" You are already showing your own biases by attempting to attack and patronize an opposing person instead of letting your own opinion speak for itself. It's an attempt at self-defense, to change from something uncomfortable. The words someone else is saying is putting you at ill ease, so you lash out at that person instead of keeping focus on the actual issue.
So, yeah, it doesn't phase me. Especially when coming from someone who is my junior.
So, yeah, it doesn't phase me. Especially when coming from someone who is my junior.
You are the one who "attacked" me by responding to ALL of my chains which others like you instigated. Are you THAT insecure that you have to be part of EVERY chain a "dissenter" makes? You are the one make "what-abouteries" all over the place to justify the chaos out there as "protests". I did not "lash out" at you. That would imply I raised my voice at you which I did not. You are the one ignoring the issue and acting like a spoiled child.
You act like a spoiled child towards me and I will treat you as one. For a "senior" you sure don't act like one.
You act like a spoiled child towards me and I will treat you as one. For a "senior" you sure don't act like one.
Responding to posts online is not an attack. That's literally had chat boards and comments work. If you don't want people to respond, you shouldn't have posted. Or if you only wanted the OP to respond, you could have tried to PM instead. By posting in a (relatively) public manner, you invite a response. That's just the nature of online messaging. Plus, it's not even personal or anything as I responded to a few different uses on here. I know not everyone has the mental energy to have these conversations repeatedly. I do, so I choose to engage. Nothing more. You can make whatever judgements you want of me, being insecure or whatever, but that doesn't really affect me. It's also not about you, but also to others reading it.
Also, yes, the language you typed is that of a patronizing nature by saying "boy" or "girl" to adults. That is a more aggressive style in a discourse such as this. Which is why I labelled it as such. You are also moving onto general attacks against my nature, which is also part of the ad hominem fallacy I was criticizing you for using.
That all said, I don't see how trying to have a mature debate makes one "act like a spoiled child." Wouldn't that be just yelling illogically and such?
Also, yes, the language you typed is that of a patronizing nature by saying "boy" or "girl" to adults. That is a more aggressive style in a discourse such as this. Which is why I labelled it as such. You are also moving onto general attacks against my nature, which is also part of the ad hominem fallacy I was criticizing you for using.
That all said, I don't see how trying to have a mature debate makes one "act like a spoiled child." Wouldn't that be just yelling illogically and such?
You are literally describing yourself. You are the one clearly not liking what I have to say. If you really don't like me then you should just block me and be done with it. Yet here you are still responding to me. Am I really THAT worth your time?
If words like "boy" and "girl" are so "aggressive" to you then you must have very thin skin. You were not "criticizing", you are just wasting your time.
It is the fact that people like you WILLINGLY ignore the truth of what people like I have to say simply because you are too prideful to see the truth.
If words like "boy" and "girl" are so "aggressive" to you then you must have very thin skin. You were not "criticizing", you are just wasting your time.
It is the fact that people like you WILLINGLY ignore the truth of what people like I have to say simply because you are too prideful to see the truth.
How am I describing myself? I have not posted anything that would denote yelling. Nor have I posted any illogical conclusions. If I have, please point it out to me and I can attempt to explain the train of thought behind it for you.
Claiming I have "thin skin" is again going with the ad hominem fallacy I described above. It's also not a matter of how sensitive I am. To refer to an adult in terms used to describe children is patronizing. To do so would be considered a form of verbal aggression.
I am criticizing in that I am pointing out flaws of your presented side of the discussion. That's almost literally the definition of criticizing. As for the part about "wasting your time," I'm assuming this to be because you are not truly interested in having a discussion or debate but rather to say your side. However, my posting onto your comment is only partly for actually talking and debating for you. It's also for those reading the discussion.
I have not seen truth. I have seen claims, to which I have commented on and discussed as they appeared to be just simply opinions. I have yet to see evidence presented on your part to note otherwise.
It's not about pride. I'm not sure why you are assuming me to be prideful?
Claiming I have "thin skin" is again going with the ad hominem fallacy I described above. It's also not a matter of how sensitive I am. To refer to an adult in terms used to describe children is patronizing. To do so would be considered a form of verbal aggression.
I am criticizing in that I am pointing out flaws of your presented side of the discussion. That's almost literally the definition of criticizing. As for the part about "wasting your time," I'm assuming this to be because you are not truly interested in having a discussion or debate but rather to say your side. However, my posting onto your comment is only partly for actually talking and debating for you. It's also for those reading the discussion.
I have not seen truth. I have seen claims, to which I have commented on and discussed as they appeared to be just simply opinions. I have yet to see evidence presented on your part to note otherwise.
It's not about pride. I'm not sure why you are assuming me to be prideful?
all lives matter is a statement that glosses over the trials and pain that people of color have to go through. It seems like an encompassing statement but it's reducing and avoiding the conversation altogether: people of color have suffered due to police brutality and white supremacy for far too long.
Use this analogy: Say there are two houses. One is on fire. One is not. The house that is on fire needs the water and the attention. Saying 'all lives matter' is ignoring that part of the conversation completely. All lives can't matter until black lives do.
Use this analogy: Say there are two houses. One is on fire. One is not. The house that is on fire needs the water and the attention. Saying 'all lives matter' is ignoring that part of the conversation completely. All lives can't matter until black lives do.
So you want blacks to be raised ABOVE everyone else? That sounds just as racist as the people you claim to hate.
Saying all lives matter is nothing more then the simple truth. One must stand for FULL justice, not just one part of it.
Do you know of all the riots they have caused? All the people they have endangered and killed, even their fellow blacks, all because of a couple racist liberal cops? They judge ALL cops as a whole as being evil. So, is it only okay for BLM to be prejudiced against people?
Let me tell you a truth. Said truth is that is if a person, group, or institution is held sacred by too many people then they are, by definition, BEYOND criticism; and when a person, group, or institution is beyond criticism it seems they slip inevitably towards corruption.
Saying all lives matter is nothing more then the simple truth. One must stand for FULL justice, not just one part of it.
Do you know of all the riots they have caused? All the people they have endangered and killed, even their fellow blacks, all because of a couple racist liberal cops? They judge ALL cops as a whole as being evil. So, is it only okay for BLM to be prejudiced against people?
Let me tell you a truth. Said truth is that is if a person, group, or institution is held sacred by too many people then they are, by definition, BEYOND criticism; and when a person, group, or institution is beyond criticism it seems they slip inevitably towards corruption.
Two Buffalo police officers were fired for assaulting a 75-year-old. 57 other police officers resigned in protest.
Let me repeat that.
Two police officers were held accountable for a violent act -- one that is unambiguous and caught on camera, it was publicized widely -- and over fifty of their colleagues said "that isn't right" and quit in protest.
I remind you, the full phrase is "one bad apple spoils the bunch".
The bunch is spoiled rotten by this point.
Let's also consider that in the United States, qualified immunity exists for police officers, and the Supreme Court has ruled that they have no express requirement to protect or serve the communities in which they are deployed.
Forget criticism, the police are largely exempt from legal responsibility and consequences for their actions. What does that do to an institution?
Let me repeat that.
Two police officers were held accountable for a violent act -- one that is unambiguous and caught on camera, it was publicized widely -- and over fifty of their colleagues said "that isn't right" and quit in protest.
I remind you, the full phrase is "one bad apple spoils the bunch".
The bunch is spoiled rotten by this point.
Let's also consider that in the United States, qualified immunity exists for police officers, and the Supreme Court has ruled that they have no express requirement to protect or serve the communities in which they are deployed.
Forget criticism, the police are largely exempt from legal responsibility and consequences for their actions. What does that do to an institution?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualified_immunity#:~:text=Under%20the%20doctrine%20of%20qualified,reasonable%20person%20would%20have%20known.%22 On qualified imminity, the history and criticisms there of.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/da-inves.....-shove-old-man The indecent involving the police in Buffalo, hopefully from a source you find agreeable. There are more sources out there, if you like I can provide more.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/da-inves.....-shove-old-man The indecent involving the police in Buffalo, hopefully from a source you find agreeable. There are more sources out there, if you like I can provide more.
Here's a local news website talking about the resignations: https://buffalonews.com/2020/06/05/.....e-team-resign/
Here's a Reuters article about qualified immunity:
https://www.reuters.com/investigate.....munity-scotus/
And here's a Yale Law Review article about it:
https://www.reuters.com/investigate.....munity-scotus/
And here's the case that established the legal precedent that police officers are not obligated to actually serve or protect citizens, Warren v. District of Columbia: https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=9108468254125174344&q=warren-v-district-of-columbia&hl=en&as_sdt=2006
I found these articles in minutes. It wasn't difficult at all. All I had to do is search for things like "police have no duty to protect or serve", "qualified immunity", et cetera. If I were you, I would sit with the recognition that you could have verified my claims yourself, but insisted on a higher standard of evidence than you yourself follow.
I've now met it. I eagerly await your well-sourced citations on your own position.
Here's a Reuters article about qualified immunity:
https://www.reuters.com/investigate.....munity-scotus/
And here's a Yale Law Review article about it:
https://www.reuters.com/investigate.....munity-scotus/
And here's the case that established the legal precedent that police officers are not obligated to actually serve or protect citizens, Warren v. District of Columbia: https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=9108468254125174344&q=warren-v-district-of-columbia&hl=en&as_sdt=2006
I found these articles in minutes. It wasn't difficult at all. All I had to do is search for things like "police have no duty to protect or serve", "qualified immunity", et cetera. If I were you, I would sit with the recognition that you could have verified my claims yourself, but insisted on a higher standard of evidence than you yourself follow.
I've now met it. I eagerly await your well-sourced citations on your own position.
You repeated the SAME link TWICE.
The last one is OLD that was YEARS ago. Stay with the times, please.
So therefore, you have NOTHING. I think my cousin Vinny said it best: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDmGhethEoQ
The last one is OLD that was YEARS ago. Stay with the times, please.
So therefore, you have NOTHING. I think my cousin Vinny said it best: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDmGhethEoQ
Oh, my bad. Here, this is the Yale link. https://www.yalelawjournal.org/pdf/.....z_1ki1sac4.pdf
The thing about Warren v. District of Columbia is that it's what's called legal precedent. This means that it changes how law is applied in the future. The fact that it's a few years old by now means that cops have had that long to work under its protection.
Just think about that for a moment. For the last 39 years, cops have had no actual legal obligation to "serve and protect" the communities they claim to do exactly that for. All because of that ruling.
The thing about Warren v. District of Columbia is that it's what's called legal precedent. This means that it changes how law is applied in the future. The fact that it's a few years old by now means that cops have had that long to work under its protection.
Just think about that for a moment. For the last 39 years, cops have had no actual legal obligation to "serve and protect" the communities they claim to do exactly that for. All because of that ruling.
I mean, yeah, I am demonizing all cops.
We're talking about an institution that has been shown to be corrupt to its core, does not serve the communities it claims to, frequently enacts violence and even kills people for no reason, and is more interested in protecting property than saving lives. There are three ways you can react to an institution like that: You can speak up against it, at which point you are usually pushed out of the force entirely; you can put your head down and say nothing, which means you willingly give your manpower to this bullshit; or you gleefully participate. None of these options are good. The only good cop is an ex-cop, and the only good police force is an ex-police force.
We're talking about an institution that has been shown to be corrupt to its core, does not serve the communities it claims to, frequently enacts violence and even kills people for no reason, and is more interested in protecting property than saving lives. There are three ways you can react to an institution like that: You can speak up against it, at which point you are usually pushed out of the force entirely; you can put your head down and say nothing, which means you willingly give your manpower to this bullshit; or you gleefully participate. None of these options are good. The only good cop is an ex-cop, and the only good police force is an ex-police force.
So basically, you prefer a lawless society. You are pro-crime. You want a society where no one, including yourself, gets aid for when lives are in danger. Survival of the fittest where only the strong have the right to live. No one to stop rapists, anarchists, and terrorists. Well, at least you are honest, little boy.
Do you know how much the police currently investigate violent crime as a portion of their duties?
4%. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/19/.....ent-crime.html
They only spend a small fraction of their time on what you're worried about, and the rate of solving those crimes is, as a result, not good. We already live in a society in which rape is hardly ever investigated; there was a story recently where a police department had thousands of untested rape kits just sitting in a storage room. https://time.com/5731230/rape-kits-minneapolis/
I need you to realize, the world you're describing is this world for a lot of people!
And yet it doesn't have to be this way. We could live in a world in which social workers are able to get people back on their feet, in which we have trained, unarmed professionals who can help talk someone down from a breakdown, communities which have strong social safety nets. The cops don't stop crime, they investigate it, when they feel like it. Building better social programs stops crime.
The trouble with how things work now is that we send an armed man with the power to detain people for many kinds of emergencies, and that power is an inappropriate escalation of the situation in many cases. However, there's nobody else to call in most situations, because so much funding goes towards police forces that no other service exists. The cops do several jobs they're unequipped for.
A civil defense corps will probably be necessary in some future system. It will not in any resemble the police as an institution as it currently exists.
I want an organization that specializes in violent crime, not one that spends a small fraction of its time on it. Why do you want an organization that is stretched so thin it can't even do its job correctly?
4%. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/19/.....ent-crime.html
They only spend a small fraction of their time on what you're worried about, and the rate of solving those crimes is, as a result, not good. We already live in a society in which rape is hardly ever investigated; there was a story recently where a police department had thousands of untested rape kits just sitting in a storage room. https://time.com/5731230/rape-kits-minneapolis/
I need you to realize, the world you're describing is this world for a lot of people!
And yet it doesn't have to be this way. We could live in a world in which social workers are able to get people back on their feet, in which we have trained, unarmed professionals who can help talk someone down from a breakdown, communities which have strong social safety nets. The cops don't stop crime, they investigate it, when they feel like it. Building better social programs stops crime.
The trouble with how things work now is that we send an armed man with the power to detain people for many kinds of emergencies, and that power is an inappropriate escalation of the situation in many cases. However, there's nobody else to call in most situations, because so much funding goes towards police forces that no other service exists. The cops do several jobs they're unequipped for.
A civil defense corps will probably be necessary in some future system. It will not in any resemble the police as an institution as it currently exists.
I want an organization that specializes in violent crime, not one that spends a small fraction of its time on it. Why do you want an organization that is stretched so thin it can't even do its job correctly?
A civil defense corps? We already have that...IT'S CALLED THE POLICE. They do make sure their jobs are done correctly and efficiently. If they don't that is entirely the fault of the state and local governments who they answer to directly and are managed by.
Who would be more equipped for that kind of work? You?
You provide NO alternative. What about the criminals like rapists, anarchists, murderers, terrorists, arsonists, and other radicals? By being against police at all you are pro-crime. You must be so proud of yourself, little boy.
Who would be more equipped for that kind of work? You?
You provide NO alternative. What about the criminals like rapists, anarchists, murderers, terrorists, arsonists, and other radicals? By being against police at all you are pro-crime. You must be so proud of yourself, little boy.
Does that ever get boring? Not reading anything, not considering anything beyond the bizarre alternate universe you've constructed?
What you're describing is a myth. Both in the sense of it being fictional and in the sense of it being a kind of heroic framing, propaganda. The police claim to do their jobs correctly and efficiently. In reality they do not, and this is at this point trivially demonstrable. They do a bunch of things that aren't even their core job!
Insofar as society needs a civil defense corps, it would be a) highly specialized; b) used sparingly, as a matter of last resort; c) trained for more than six months, and trained to de-escalate when possible; and d) accountable to independent bodies who have the ability to impose changes from outside.
None of those things are currently true. The police currently are a) extremely broad in their scope, which means they don't know enough about any of the things they do; b) used commonly, because no other options are available; c) trained for relatively short periods of time and mostly to consider theirselves at war (this is what the "thin blue line" mythos is for); and d) investigate theirselves for wrongdoing, empowered to clear theirselves of responsibility for things they obviously did wrong.
The people who currently run the police are responsible for the current state of the police, and should ideally not be in charge in a future institution. People who are better suited for a more focused institution with a clear goal and a civil-servant mindset should run the civil defense corps of which I speak.
So if an idealized civil defense corps has almost none of the attributes of the current police force and none of the personnel, is it really the police? We can argue the metaphysics of it if you want, but whether we call it the police or not, it's clear it'd have to be unrecognizable from the current police force.
If you can't see what's wrong with the current system and how it needs to change, I would suggest expanding your understanding beyond that of what copaganda tells you. It's not too late, you know. You still have time to do better.
What you're describing is a myth. Both in the sense of it being fictional and in the sense of it being a kind of heroic framing, propaganda. The police claim to do their jobs correctly and efficiently. In reality they do not, and this is at this point trivially demonstrable. They do a bunch of things that aren't even their core job!
Insofar as society needs a civil defense corps, it would be a) highly specialized; b) used sparingly, as a matter of last resort; c) trained for more than six months, and trained to de-escalate when possible; and d) accountable to independent bodies who have the ability to impose changes from outside.
None of those things are currently true. The police currently are a) extremely broad in their scope, which means they don't know enough about any of the things they do; b) used commonly, because no other options are available; c) trained for relatively short periods of time and mostly to consider theirselves at war (this is what the "thin blue line" mythos is for); and d) investigate theirselves for wrongdoing, empowered to clear theirselves of responsibility for things they obviously did wrong.
The people who currently run the police are responsible for the current state of the police, and should ideally not be in charge in a future institution. People who are better suited for a more focused institution with a clear goal and a civil-servant mindset should run the civil defense corps of which I speak.
So if an idealized civil defense corps has almost none of the attributes of the current police force and none of the personnel, is it really the police? We can argue the metaphysics of it if you want, but whether we call it the police or not, it's clear it'd have to be unrecognizable from the current police force.
If you can't see what's wrong with the current system and how it needs to change, I would suggest expanding your understanding beyond that of what copaganda tells you. It's not too late, you know. You still have time to do better.
You ironically no statistics whatsoever as to which cops do their jobs and which ones don't.
At the core, everything you are describing are ALL Democrat-run areas like New York, California, and Minnesota. The place where cops are all incompetent are Democrat-ran. So now you know who to put the blame/hate to as well as who to vote out.
Everything you describe what a proper defense force is and should be...that is what the police are, always have been, and always will be.
Copaganda is a non-word. Also, you have not stated WHO it came from or WHO is spreading it if it even exists at all.
Grow up and get a life, little boy.
At the core, everything you are describing are ALL Democrat-run areas like New York, California, and Minnesota. The place where cops are all incompetent are Democrat-ran. So now you know who to put the blame/hate to as well as who to vote out.
Everything you describe what a proper defense force is and should be...that is what the police are, always have been, and always will be.
Copaganda is a non-word. Also, you have not stated WHO it came from or WHO is spreading it if it even exists at all.
Grow up and get a life, little boy.
I'm talking about the actual structure of the police and how it operates. Statistics aren't really the issue here; the issue is the actual design of the system.
But anyway, you haven't offered any statistics either, and I doubt you would accept any source I give you. You haven't so far.
Anyway, I haven't really been talking to you for a while now. I've more been outlining ways in which you're hilariously ignorant about what's going on in the world.
Take care. I hope you figure out the ways in which you're misguided and maybe pull yourself out of the ostrich hole you've put yourself in. Here, you can start with The End of Policing -- it was free for a while, but it's currently abour four bucks to buy as an ebook. If you don't want to spend that money, shoot me a note, I'll send it to you for free. https://www.versobooks.com/books/24.....nd-of-policing
But anyway, you haven't offered any statistics either, and I doubt you would accept any source I give you. You haven't so far.
Anyway, I haven't really been talking to you for a while now. I've more been outlining ways in which you're hilariously ignorant about what's going on in the world.
Take care. I hope you figure out the ways in which you're misguided and maybe pull yourself out of the ostrich hole you've put yourself in. Here, you can start with The End of Policing -- it was free for a while, but it's currently abour four bucks to buy as an ebook. If you don't want to spend that money, shoot me a note, I'll send it to you for free. https://www.versobooks.com/books/24.....nd-of-policing
People always forget the whole aphorism about apples! Thank you for bringing that up.
As to cop culture...no offense to actual hyenas, but police culture is also rather like hyena ranking. They do not DARE contradict each other by shoving someone off a person they're kneeling on, or stopping to help someone another cop pushed to the ground. It's a fraternity of violent bros.
If they did that, their career would be over, downward path, they'd be out of the bro squad, shoved in the locker room, and ostracized everywhere.
So they will never stop each other from doing harm. Ever. Because it's a broken fratboy culture of violence and immunity from consequences.
Hell, they even sneer at someone who comes in as a detective right from a masters' in forensic science, and won't work with them because "they were never a real cop", never part of the cabal of violence and brofists.
It's broken.
As to cop culture...no offense to actual hyenas, but police culture is also rather like hyena ranking. They do not DARE contradict each other by shoving someone off a person they're kneeling on, or stopping to help someone another cop pushed to the ground. It's a fraternity of violent bros.
If they did that, their career would be over, downward path, they'd be out of the bro squad, shoved in the locker room, and ostracized everywhere.
So they will never stop each other from doing harm. Ever. Because it's a broken fratboy culture of violence and immunity from consequences.
Hell, they even sneer at someone who comes in as a detective right from a masters' in forensic science, and won't work with them because "they were never a real cop", never part of the cabal of violence and brofists.
It's broken.
If the metaphor of one house on fire, one house not so the burning house should get attention from the fire department somehow means that we want one group to be superior to another, then I question if you are perhaps willfully ignoring the state of racial groups in America. Because that would only work if you think that Blacks (and other people of color) are already on equal footing which is, unfortunately, not the case in America.
The dangers of the riots, no, I'm not ignorant of it. I do, however, recognize what caused it and how it likely overall it wouldn't have happened if police had acted appropriately and not routine act in escalating manners. (I know a lot about this. My workplace requires training due to potentially dangerous people we work with so that we do not harm them, even if our own lives are at risk.)
We strive for balance. For all. Not just some. Because right now, we don't have that. America is great for some, when it should be great for all.
And at what point did I say I was pro-crime? Or pro-anarchy?
We strive for balance. For all. Not just some. Because right now, we don't have that. America is great for some, when it should be great for all.
And at what point did I say I was pro-crime? Or pro-anarchy?
You have not acknowledged the chaos of the riots, shows you don't even care. The police make sure their jobs are done correctly and efficiently. If they don't then that is entirely the fault of the state and local governments who they answer to directly and are managed by. So now you know who to put the blame/hate to as well as who to vote out.
You do not want balance, you strive for power. You wish blacks to be RAISED above everyone else and that is just another form of racism. If you really cared about them then you would treat them EQUALLY. America will NEVER be perfect.
You are excusing all the harm the riots are doing and blaming ALL police for it, that means you support crime.
You do not want balance, you strive for power. You wish blacks to be RAISED above everyone else and that is just another form of racism. If you really cared about them then you would treat them EQUALLY. America will NEVER be perfect.
You are excusing all the harm the riots are doing and blaming ALL police for it, that means you support crime.
I am not a fan of the riots, no. And I think the harm it has caused is bad, yes. But I think the events and situations that led up to that is much worse. It's disgraceful that we, as Americans as a whole, have allowed oppressive systems towards a group of people to carry along unchallenged for so long. And that those very systems were so easily able to stroke the fires to cause the riots (in the case of the police overreacting and escalating situations).
Agreed, the problem is largely in the state and government. No one is auguring that. Though I disagree on the police always doing their job correctly and efficiently.
I do not strive for power under than in the sense of letting those without have power to be on equal footing of those with. BLM is not about wanting them to be above others. It just seems like that to white people because their position above others is being questioned. By pulling white people to be down onto equal footing, it feels as though they are trying to be pulled under even if the feeling is false.
America will never be perfect, sure. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try to make it better for folks.
I do not blame all the police. I blame a organization structured to reward and encourage poor behavior from the police and, often times, punish those trying to be good. It's not about it being personal towards specific cops but a critique on the system at large. I am not excusing all the harm, but recognizing that those are less important (and more easily repaired) than harm towards actual people.
Agreed, the problem is largely in the state and government. No one is auguring that. Though I disagree on the police always doing their job correctly and efficiently.
I do not strive for power under than in the sense of letting those without have power to be on equal footing of those with. BLM is not about wanting them to be above others. It just seems like that to white people because their position above others is being questioned. By pulling white people to be down onto equal footing, it feels as though they are trying to be pulled under even if the feeling is false.
America will never be perfect, sure. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try to make it better for folks.
I do not blame all the police. I blame a organization structured to reward and encourage poor behavior from the police and, often times, punish those trying to be good. It's not about it being personal towards specific cops but a critique on the system at large. I am not excusing all the harm, but recognizing that those are less important (and more easily repaired) than harm towards actual people.
To say what led up to it is worse is insulting. It is just more "what-abouteries".
Also, at the core, everything you are describing are ALL Democrat-run areas like New York, California, and Minnesota. The place where cops are all incompetent are Democrat-ran.
BLM is also about setting up Marxist communist rules, and that is something NO ONE can abide by. The fact they willingly kill or allow other blacks to be killed shows they are about survival of the fittest. There is NO way a group formed on that mindset can sustain itself, especially not long-term.
Again, it is NOT the cops you should go after; but the state that runs them.
Let me tell you a truth. Said truth is that is if a person, group, or institution (like BLM) is held sacred by too many people then they are, by definition, BEYOND criticism; and when a person, group, or institution is beyond criticism it seems they slip inevitably towards corruption.
Also, at the core, everything you are describing are ALL Democrat-run areas like New York, California, and Minnesota. The place where cops are all incompetent are Democrat-ran.
BLM is also about setting up Marxist communist rules, and that is something NO ONE can abide by. The fact they willingly kill or allow other blacks to be killed shows they are about survival of the fittest. There is NO way a group formed on that mindset can sustain itself, especially not long-term.
Again, it is NOT the cops you should go after; but the state that runs them.
Let me tell you a truth. Said truth is that is if a person, group, or institution (like BLM) is held sacred by too many people then they are, by definition, BEYOND criticism; and when a person, group, or institution is beyond criticism it seems they slip inevitably towards corruption.
"What-abouteries" is an interesting term. I will question, though, if it's not hypocritical to accuse me of such when you had asked about black-on-black crime above?
I don't think it's insulting to question what led up to an unfortunate event. That is simply a basic part of quality control. If a problem occurs, you look at what caused it to prevent it's reoccurring. In this case, escalation by the police, long term systemic oppression, and interference from groups wishing to harm either physically or the image of BLM members. Therefore, it is important to address these issues. And it's that second one that I think is shameful, that this has been such a long-term problem that hasn't been really addressed.
I have not mentioned any cities specifically. In fact, when I have these discussions I can't help but think of recent problems in my hometown area that is a Republican area. These situations are not isolated.
I have yet to see anyone suggestion communism. Please link to something supporting this claim? The closest I've seen is some liberal leaning groups making claims that is called communism or socialism without that actually being true.
BLM does not willingly kill or allow blacks to be killed. That is counter to their very point. Sure, the accusation is made, but little evidence actually follows that claim.
What are you considering long term? BLM is already 7 years old at this point. Though they also do not contain the mindset you are claiming.
There is an assumption that one group or person can not go after multiple targets. Yes, the state is being gone after. But cops are how the state is enforcing things. As they are the ones literally harassing and harming these people, it is important to address them as well.
I agree with your truth, but I disagree with your example. BLM is not beyond criticism. In fact, many who are apart of it do critique and have discussions over certain behaviors. However, that doesn't mean we shouldn't point out false claims about them. If anything, a better example would be how some people view America which, while a great country, has many flaws but such an opinion can easily read to violence amongst some.
I don't think it's insulting to question what led up to an unfortunate event. That is simply a basic part of quality control. If a problem occurs, you look at what caused it to prevent it's reoccurring. In this case, escalation by the police, long term systemic oppression, and interference from groups wishing to harm either physically or the image of BLM members. Therefore, it is important to address these issues. And it's that second one that I think is shameful, that this has been such a long-term problem that hasn't been really addressed.
I have not mentioned any cities specifically. In fact, when I have these discussions I can't help but think of recent problems in my hometown area that is a Republican area. These situations are not isolated.
I have yet to see anyone suggestion communism. Please link to something supporting this claim? The closest I've seen is some liberal leaning groups making claims that is called communism or socialism without that actually being true.
BLM does not willingly kill or allow blacks to be killed. That is counter to their very point. Sure, the accusation is made, but little evidence actually follows that claim.
What are you considering long term? BLM is already 7 years old at this point. Though they also do not contain the mindset you are claiming.
There is an assumption that one group or person can not go after multiple targets. Yes, the state is being gone after. But cops are how the state is enforcing things. As they are the ones literally harassing and harming these people, it is important to address them as well.
I agree with your truth, but I disagree with your example. BLM is not beyond criticism. In fact, many who are apart of it do critique and have discussions over certain behaviors. However, that doesn't mean we shouldn't point out false claims about them. If anything, a better example would be how some people view America which, while a great country, has many flaws but such an opinion can easily read to violence amongst some.
It doesnt stand to debate, either All lives matter or None do.
BLM is as racist as it can get, everyone who opposes it or says that it shouldnt raise anyone above anyone gets denounced and screamed at.
Yes racism is a problem but promoting BLM and denouncing everyone and everything as racist, is Just feeding the Problem.
People nowadays see racism in everything.
Explain me one thing, If you see Something and the first Thing you think about is how racist that Thing is, how its for example mistreating people of colour etc, who is the racist ? (Example being in this Case commercials)
Are you the racist for instantly assuming that the Intentions were to oppress Said people of colour or is the Marketing Team in this Case racist for making a commercials which you saw and found to bei racist.
People See and hear what they Want to believe.
You're Part of the Problem by keeping racism in your head.
But whatever, its apparently racist to das that WE all are Humans and No one should be raised above.
BLM is as racist as it can get, everyone who opposes it or says that it shouldnt raise anyone above anyone gets denounced and screamed at.
Yes racism is a problem but promoting BLM and denouncing everyone and everything as racist, is Just feeding the Problem.
People nowadays see racism in everything.
Explain me one thing, If you see Something and the first Thing you think about is how racist that Thing is, how its for example mistreating people of colour etc, who is the racist ? (Example being in this Case commercials)
Are you the racist for instantly assuming that the Intentions were to oppress Said people of colour or is the Marketing Team in this Case racist for making a commercials which you saw and found to bei racist.
People See and hear what they Want to believe.
You're Part of the Problem by keeping racism in your head.
But whatever, its apparently racist to das that WE all are Humans and No one should be raised above.
Oh, I can answer your question.
The person mistreating the people of colour is the racist, and the person pointing it out is not.
I hope that cleared things up for you.
Consider reading Eduardo Bonna-Silva's Racism Without Racists for a fairly comprehensive analysis of how so-called "colour-blindness" leads to racist views and outcomes anyway.
The person mistreating the people of colour is the racist, and the person pointing it out is not.
I hope that cleared things up for you.
Consider reading Eduardo Bonna-Silva's Racism Without Racists for a fairly comprehensive analysis of how so-called "colour-blindness" leads to racist views and outcomes anyway.
How is it not racist to assume that everyones Intention ist racist ?
If a movement claims that White people are Always racist towards others, that is racist.
BLM is racist because it doesnt Fight for equality but for Special rights.
Yes racism is real
Yes it exist, but Riots and violence is Not the answer.
Saying that White people are the fault is Not the answer either.
You're the racist for thinking in races.
You are keeping racism alive by assuming everyone is thinking in races.
These Riots are Not going to Help with the racism issued btw
They are going to increase it because of all the violence.
Youd Unserstand that If youd Use your braun for Note than five minutes
If a movement claims that White people are Always racist towards others, that is racist.
BLM is racist because it doesnt Fight for equality but for Special rights.
Yes racism is real
Yes it exist, but Riots and violence is Not the answer.
Saying that White people are the fault is Not the answer either.
You're the racist for thinking in races.
You are keeping racism alive by assuming everyone is thinking in races.
These Riots are Not going to Help with the racism issued btw
They are going to increase it because of all the violence.
Youd Unserstand that If youd Use your braun for Note than five minutes
It's actually not necessary for someone to have hatred in their heart towards black people for them to perpetuate white supremacy. Unfortunately, many laws, policies and institutions are racist, or are enforced with racist outcomes. Simply helping to maintain, uphold, or perpetuate those existing systems is racist. This is where BLM's views diverge from what you think they are: Each extrajudicial murder of a black person is a symptom of a larger issue within society. There is a pattern, you see, and it is only visible if we look at the outcomes experienced by members of different races.
Let me be specific. If you deny that the world is racist, you are either ignorant of the suffering happening happening to people every day, suffering that is very unequal when broken down by race, or you have an active interest in suppressing progress towards racial justice. Maybe consider that I can't tell which it is, and even if you harbor no ill will against people of colour, consider whether you're comfortable speaking on a subject you are, frankly, unqualified to talk about.
You would be correct that race should not factor into debates into policy, if we already lived in a nonracist society. We don't, unfortunately. BLM and antiracist advocates weren't the ones who brought racial tension into the world; they've been living it for centuries. They just revealed the racial tension that already existed.
Let me be specific. If you deny that the world is racist, you are either ignorant of the suffering happening happening to people every day, suffering that is very unequal when broken down by race, or you have an active interest in suppressing progress towards racial justice. Maybe consider that I can't tell which it is, and even if you harbor no ill will against people of colour, consider whether you're comfortable speaking on a subject you are, frankly, unqualified to talk about.
You would be correct that race should not factor into debates into policy, if we already lived in a nonracist society. We don't, unfortunately. BLM and antiracist advocates weren't the ones who brought racial tension into the world; they've been living it for centuries. They just revealed the racial tension that already existed.
i have several questions
what is with for example black on black crime
or black on white crime
racism exists for a reason.
Also just because im not a person of colour im unqualified to talk about racism ?
oh and the world is not racist as well as the system
people are racist
a thing cant be racist
intention can.
People like you just choose to see racism in everything,
if i drive a black car is that racist ?
BLM is a violent movement promoting violence against white people, antiracist or not i frankly dont care
a movement/organisation/group
promoting violence against other people is not tolerable in any way
what is with for example black on black crime
or black on white crime
racism exists for a reason.
Also just because im not a person of colour im unqualified to talk about racism ?
oh and the world is not racist as well as the system
people are racist
a thing cant be racist
intention can.
People like you just choose to see racism in everything,
if i drive a black car is that racist ?
BLM is a violent movement promoting violence against white people, antiracist or not i frankly dont care
a movement/organisation/group
promoting violence against other people is not tolerable in any way
No, it's not because you're white that you're unqualified to talk about racism. I'm white. It's because you don't know what you're talking about that you're unqualified to talk about racism. And hell, I'm barely qualified in limited respects to talk about racism, and that's with a bunch of antiracist research I've done over the years, listening to people of colour and seeing what they have to go through, and recognizing how much the current system fails them. I'm not even American; I'm Canadian. We're just as bad as the United States: https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/.....gn=sharebutton
The things you're talking about seem like easy gotchas to you but have been addressed by numerous people throughout history. They're new to you, but not to the greater conversation around race. You just haven't come across that part of the conversation before, which tells me that you haven't really done a lot of research on what the world is really like for people of colour. The specific things you've said have answers readily available on the internet, by people with firsthand experience with decades of racism and/or antiracist work, if you decide to look for them.
You are definitely correct that racism exists for a reason! That reason was largely economic in origin. White colonial settlers, for example, wanted to get rich off the land, and variously slaughtered the people already living there, brought more people to live there, worked them to death, and reaped the profits of having a workforce with zero labour expenses. This happened for nearly three hundred years and created an economic underclass that was stratified largely by race. Over the years, racial policies have been fine-tuned in order to hide the racist intent of those policies, because overt racism has been less and less legally protected, but the West still runs largely on implicit racism and xenophobia.
For example, slavery didn't actually end in the United States; it just became a punishment for criminals, instead. And like, racists didn't go away when slavery ended. This is one reason why for the next 150 years, black people have been criminalized in various overt or covert ways -- it's to get them back into the fields. Now consider the police's role in stuffing the prisons with black people to maintain that population of workers and you start to see how baked into the fabric of the United States white supremacy really is.
A system that produces unequal outcomes based on racial characteristics is racist. Period. Please do some research on the notion of structural racism before arguing against it.
And with all due respect, if three people stand around and watch a fourth slowly choke out a dude on the ground, and I know that the three will defend the fourth? I will absolutely feel no remorse or shame if the guy committing attempted murder is beaten up in the process of saving the guy on the ground. This is true if it's a street gang or the police (but I repeat myself). The violence that is advocated is, at worst, self-defense at this point, and in most cases isn't even directed at people, but institutions and aggressors. (Look up, for example, the concept of a police riot. There have been many police riots this month.)
I need you to realize, "An organization promoting violence against other people is not tolerable in any way" is the reason BLM exists. The police as an entity commit vast quantities of violence against black people on a daily basis, for no reason other than racism. If you truly believe in this statement, you would do well to do some research on what the police actually do and how they hurt people in an organized, industrialized way. Everything from police brutality to arrest quotas to police deployment patterns to asset forfeiture.
And like, recognize, I have these ideas at my fingertips. I've done a ton of reading about this. My viewpoint is not perfect, but it's certainly as complete as I can make it. Your viewpoint is, unfortunately, missing several key elements, and I worry that you're unwilling or uninterested in filling the gaps in your knowledge. Ultimately, it's your loss. I just hope you aren't ever in a position where the gaps in your knowledge costs someone other than you.
The things you're talking about seem like easy gotchas to you but have been addressed by numerous people throughout history. They're new to you, but not to the greater conversation around race. You just haven't come across that part of the conversation before, which tells me that you haven't really done a lot of research on what the world is really like for people of colour. The specific things you've said have answers readily available on the internet, by people with firsthand experience with decades of racism and/or antiracist work, if you decide to look for them.
You are definitely correct that racism exists for a reason! That reason was largely economic in origin. White colonial settlers, for example, wanted to get rich off the land, and variously slaughtered the people already living there, brought more people to live there, worked them to death, and reaped the profits of having a workforce with zero labour expenses. This happened for nearly three hundred years and created an economic underclass that was stratified largely by race. Over the years, racial policies have been fine-tuned in order to hide the racist intent of those policies, because overt racism has been less and less legally protected, but the West still runs largely on implicit racism and xenophobia.
For example, slavery didn't actually end in the United States; it just became a punishment for criminals, instead. And like, racists didn't go away when slavery ended. This is one reason why for the next 150 years, black people have been criminalized in various overt or covert ways -- it's to get them back into the fields. Now consider the police's role in stuffing the prisons with black people to maintain that population of workers and you start to see how baked into the fabric of the United States white supremacy really is.
A system that produces unequal outcomes based on racial characteristics is racist. Period. Please do some research on the notion of structural racism before arguing against it.
And with all due respect, if three people stand around and watch a fourth slowly choke out a dude on the ground, and I know that the three will defend the fourth? I will absolutely feel no remorse or shame if the guy committing attempted murder is beaten up in the process of saving the guy on the ground. This is true if it's a street gang or the police (but I repeat myself). The violence that is advocated is, at worst, self-defense at this point, and in most cases isn't even directed at people, but institutions and aggressors. (Look up, for example, the concept of a police riot. There have been many police riots this month.)
I need you to realize, "An organization promoting violence against other people is not tolerable in any way" is the reason BLM exists. The police as an entity commit vast quantities of violence against black people on a daily basis, for no reason other than racism. If you truly believe in this statement, you would do well to do some research on what the police actually do and how they hurt people in an organized, industrialized way. Everything from police brutality to arrest quotas to police deployment patterns to asset forfeiture.
And like, recognize, I have these ideas at my fingertips. I've done a ton of reading about this. My viewpoint is not perfect, but it's certainly as complete as I can make it. Your viewpoint is, unfortunately, missing several key elements, and I worry that you're unwilling or uninterested in filling the gaps in your knowledge. Ultimately, it's your loss. I just hope you aren't ever in a position where the gaps in your knowledge costs someone other than you.
Thing is, intentions do not matter in communication. You may not intend something to be harmful, but it very well can be. Things can be racist without the person doing it realizing that it is. Part of it is that people are taught racist things as a child (not even on purpose) and it gets in our subconscious.
It's like saying I bump into you and you fall. I may not have meant to bump you. Never intended to hurt you. That doesn't mean that it didn't hurt you and that maybe I should take better care to think about how my actions can affect people around me. Same thing here.
It's like saying I bump into you and you fall. I may not have meant to bump you. Never intended to hurt you. That doesn't mean that it didn't hurt you and that maybe I should take better care to think about how my actions can affect people around me. Same thing here.
People like you are the oversensitive ones who try to find racism in places where it is not. You thrive on hate and try to put it in things where it is NOT allowed. The Dems love teaching racism to others, so that way they have an enemy to "fight" so they can roar in people's faces "I TOLD YOU SO".
It is pathetic.
It is pathetic.
I mean, if it's oversensitive to call a pot a pot, then sure.
Is it trying to find something where it's not? Or more of pointing out something is there when it's ignored or not noticed.
The ones who are hurt get to decide it's not. If I hit you, even if I didn't mean to, I don't get to decide that it doesn't hurt.
And the fact that you're bringing in Democrats versus Republicans shows your own biases and how they are coloring (and possibly blinding) your viewpoints.
Is it trying to find something where it's not? Or more of pointing out something is there when it's ignored or not noticed.
The ones who are hurt get to decide it's not. If I hit you, even if I didn't mean to, I don't get to decide that it doesn't hurt.
And the fact that you're bringing in Democrats versus Republicans shows your own biases and how they are coloring (and possibly blinding) your viewpoints.
Then why don't they SAY all lives matter? Say it and PROVE it. They do not stand for everyone, they do not stand for equality, they do not even stand for the African community. They stand only for themselves and for power. If they cared about African Americans, they would attack and kill them in the riots. Not to mention harassing African police officers. BLM are hypocrites who never stand by what they say.
We don't all all lives matter because not all lives are the focus right now. Some lives are just peachy as a whole. It's a focus on the ones overall in need right now.
Also, take a look into how the riots in these latest protests started. Because it's mostly been from police escalating. And yes, police officers of all races are being harassed because being in it, going along with hurtful actions they do, is showing complacency.
Also, take a look into how the riots in these latest protests started. Because it's mostly been from police escalating. And yes, police officers of all races are being harassed because being in it, going along with hurtful actions they do, is showing complacency.
SalKitten this is fantastic! Do you mind if I share this to my furry page?
I'd ask permission from the commissioner and owner of the character 
KrISTeIn first, please~
KrISTeIn first, please~ 
This feels different than others that faded. Things are happening that aren't expected, but welcome. Police department dismantling and starting over, which has to happen, if that turns out to just be noise, this has to start all over again even if it continues till every police building is flat as the third precinct.
But...other things. NASCAR banning the confederate flag. Brands suddenly pulling the cringe racist iconography they made excuses for for an entire century. Statues coming down. Even the long contentious Columbus in Boston lost its head and is being removed.
I think part of it is ironically because BLM and everyone starting to understand the movement has a common enemy in suddenly unstable, violently authoritarian "leadership" that gasses peaceful protesters and uses a medevac helicopter's downwash to scatter others, as if this was some tinpot dictatorship. It's uniting more people behind this cause. I'm seeing so many videos of the most diverse possible groups at the barricades, squaring off with police together, fighting them side by side, and helping each other to their feet when shoved or teargassed by cops for no reason.
And I hope that aspect continues. Every person counts, indeed.
But...other things. NASCAR banning the confederate flag. Brands suddenly pulling the cringe racist iconography they made excuses for for an entire century. Statues coming down. Even the long contentious Columbus in Boston lost its head and is being removed.
I think part of it is ironically because BLM and everyone starting to understand the movement has a common enemy in suddenly unstable, violently authoritarian "leadership" that gasses peaceful protesters and uses a medevac helicopter's downwash to scatter others, as if this was some tinpot dictatorship. It's uniting more people behind this cause. I'm seeing so many videos of the most diverse possible groups at the barricades, squaring off with police together, fighting them side by side, and helping each other to their feet when shoved or teargassed by cops for no reason.
And I hope that aspect continues. Every person counts, indeed.
I absolutely adore how many people literally do not understand *why* the people in the street are fed the fuck up and why peaceful protests don't accomplish a goddamn thing.
I love, love to listen to a bunch of people telling the oppressed the *proper* way to express their rage, how if they're polite enough, and 'articulate' enough, that this time, this time the cops, the government, they're going to listen. Really, they will.
But my absolute favorite thing about all this? It's watching people shed crocodile tears for 'property damage' and 'communities being destroyed'. Motherfuckers spend more time whining about a Target than they ever did about Flint, or Katrina, or Puerto Rico.
Where were your tears when the government took money out of those communities for years? Where were those tears when the likes of Sam Walton put a knife through the gut of their businesses?
Black Lives Matter, and anyone that so much as utters 'but' after those three words shows their entire ass.
Good picture.
I love, love to listen to a bunch of people telling the oppressed the *proper* way to express their rage, how if they're polite enough, and 'articulate' enough, that this time, this time the cops, the government, they're going to listen. Really, they will.
But my absolute favorite thing about all this? It's watching people shed crocodile tears for 'property damage' and 'communities being destroyed'. Motherfuckers spend more time whining about a Target than they ever did about Flint, or Katrina, or Puerto Rico.
Where were your tears when the government took money out of those communities for years? Where were those tears when the likes of Sam Walton put a knife through the gut of their businesses?
Black Lives Matter, and anyone that so much as utters 'but' after those three words shows their entire ass.
Good picture.
I'm just facepalming at the same thing. White people in quiet suburbs saying "Awwww, be nice and do peaceful protests and let's just have more fluffy unicorns and pretend nothing is wrong. MLK was peaceful!"
MLK was shot in the head. And nothing has improved in police targeting and abusing the black community. It's gotten WORSE over the decades since then, since the 1968 riots. It's like people are unable to open a browser and read history or even watch a documentary.
Now, black people are pulled over for driving while black, shot if they reach for their license and registration, shot or tasered if they ask a question, shot in wrong-house shouting militarized SWAT raids that have replaced stakeouts and arrests, flashbanged, beaten, choked, and executed in the street with nine minutes of compression to the neck. Every single meeting with police when they've done nothing wrong is fear for their lives.
A lot of people here are unable and unwilling to understand that, to listen to the stories, the fear, anger and frustration that's gone unanswered, only getting worse year after year.
And this time, it finally exploded. I hope the change continues. The destruction of the precinct did not hurt anyone, and it sent a strong message. NO MORE. And at least some white Americans are waking from their comfy stupor and paying more attention.
Oh, and that Target some are whining about? Target Corp put that store there as a testbed for their loss prevention technology, on the racist assumption that the local mostly black population would steal more, so they could test by doing A/B testing of shoplifting arrest success. It was resented and hated by the community.
The proper way to express their rage is obviously how they did it, because ONLY now are we hearing of police departments being defunded and dismantled. That never happened with the "nice" way. Just as complaining to the British didn't solve a thing in America's founding. The oppressors didn't listen till the colonists picked up muskets and torches and farm tools and started wrecking their shit. Then they listened, and lost the war, too. Sometimes, that's necessary.
Polite didn't work. May the current changes continue and not fade back into accepted abuse. And yes. BLACK LIVES MATTER.
MLK was shot in the head. And nothing has improved in police targeting and abusing the black community. It's gotten WORSE over the decades since then, since the 1968 riots. It's like people are unable to open a browser and read history or even watch a documentary.
Now, black people are pulled over for driving while black, shot if they reach for their license and registration, shot or tasered if they ask a question, shot in wrong-house shouting militarized SWAT raids that have replaced stakeouts and arrests, flashbanged, beaten, choked, and executed in the street with nine minutes of compression to the neck. Every single meeting with police when they've done nothing wrong is fear for their lives.
A lot of people here are unable and unwilling to understand that, to listen to the stories, the fear, anger and frustration that's gone unanswered, only getting worse year after year.
And this time, it finally exploded. I hope the change continues. The destruction of the precinct did not hurt anyone, and it sent a strong message. NO MORE. And at least some white Americans are waking from their comfy stupor and paying more attention.
Oh, and that Target some are whining about? Target Corp put that store there as a testbed for their loss prevention technology, on the racist assumption that the local mostly black population would steal more, so they could test by doing A/B testing of shoplifting arrest success. It was resented and hated by the community.
The proper way to express their rage is obviously how they did it, because ONLY now are we hearing of police departments being defunded and dismantled. That never happened with the "nice" way. Just as complaining to the British didn't solve a thing in America's founding. The oppressors didn't listen till the colonists picked up muskets and torches and farm tools and started wrecking their shit. Then they listened, and lost the war, too. Sometimes, that's necessary.
Polite didn't work. May the current changes continue and not fade back into accepted abuse. And yes. BLACK LIVES MATTER.
Well said.
Here's the thing that people don't understand about protests:
A protest that disrupts nothing, accomplishes nothing.
You remember all those stupid-ass MAGA-mask protests that were going off like a month ago? Put aside the white aspect of it. Put aside the guns. You want to know why they weren't dispersed?
Because, ultimately, they weren't disrupting anything. They weren't a challenge to anything, any power, any money, any form of the status quo. They were just a bunch of whiny children kicking their feet and moaning about haircuts.
These protests? They're a disruption to commerce. People aren't showing up to work, people are getting in the streets, getting on the highways, obstructing traffic. That costs the state money. That costs capital money.
People are putting fire to cop cars, police stations, tearing up streets and civil infrastructure. That costs the state money. That disrupts the status quo.
Never let people use MLK as a framing device to tell you how to protest. The establishment did everything they could to obstruct the man, including killing him. They framed his protests as violent. They decried his actions. And then they used his corpse and legacy as a pulpit for why better things aren't possible, why you need to wait and be silent, patient, and why your protest must be 'respectful'.
MLK knew his protests would be met with violence; violence from the citizens, violence from the state. A brave man, a passionate man, he marched into it anyways- knowing full well that every march might be his last. He marched in opposition of cops, dogs, water hoses, guns and gas.
People forget that he knew this. He knew that the state would meet them, to try and smash their skulls and hearts with hate and iron. He chose the strategy of non-violence not just because of his own personal beliefs, but because he knew how it would look in the media. It was a strategy.
Focusing too heavily on MLK also does a lot to forget the part that people like Malcom-X and the Black Panthers played in the struggle, and it casts them in a lesser light for doing things 'the wrong way'.
The state co-opted the legacy of MLK and has used it as a cudgel against every movement that has followed in his footsteps. It doesn't matter how peaceful you are, how gentle your words- if you stand in opposition to the state, if you stand for your rights and the rights of your countrymen, they will put a boot on your throat.
Anything other than support of the brave men and women in the street fighting for what's right is unacceptable.
Here's the thing that people don't understand about protests:
A protest that disrupts nothing, accomplishes nothing.
You remember all those stupid-ass MAGA-mask protests that were going off like a month ago? Put aside the white aspect of it. Put aside the guns. You want to know why they weren't dispersed?
Because, ultimately, they weren't disrupting anything. They weren't a challenge to anything, any power, any money, any form of the status quo. They were just a bunch of whiny children kicking their feet and moaning about haircuts.
These protests? They're a disruption to commerce. People aren't showing up to work, people are getting in the streets, getting on the highways, obstructing traffic. That costs the state money. That costs capital money.
People are putting fire to cop cars, police stations, tearing up streets and civil infrastructure. That costs the state money. That disrupts the status quo.
Never let people use MLK as a framing device to tell you how to protest. The establishment did everything they could to obstruct the man, including killing him. They framed his protests as violent. They decried his actions. And then they used his corpse and legacy as a pulpit for why better things aren't possible, why you need to wait and be silent, patient, and why your protest must be 'respectful'.
MLK knew his protests would be met with violence; violence from the citizens, violence from the state. A brave man, a passionate man, he marched into it anyways- knowing full well that every march might be his last. He marched in opposition of cops, dogs, water hoses, guns and gas.
People forget that he knew this. He knew that the state would meet them, to try and smash their skulls and hearts with hate and iron. He chose the strategy of non-violence not just because of his own personal beliefs, but because he knew how it would look in the media. It was a strategy.
Focusing too heavily on MLK also does a lot to forget the part that people like Malcom-X and the Black Panthers played in the struggle, and it casts them in a lesser light for doing things 'the wrong way'.
The state co-opted the legacy of MLK and has used it as a cudgel against every movement that has followed in his footsteps. It doesn't matter how peaceful you are, how gentle your words- if you stand in opposition to the state, if you stand for your rights and the rights of your countrymen, they will put a boot on your throat.
Anything other than support of the brave men and women in the street fighting for what's right is unacceptable.
Oh yes. I remember those. The same sorts who spewed on every comment board for years that they had all the beans and guns for the end of the world suddenly pitching a feet-stamping fit because they couldn't go to Golden Corral anymore and were asked to wear a paper mask in stores.
And that's absolutely right. When just shouting doesn't work, disruption is the next step. Nothing happened at ALL in police reform due to any protest in the past few decades. Police militarization and immunity from responsibility for murdering black people especially just got worse and worse. Nothing happened...until a crowd forced an entire crooked police precinct to evacuate, and then destroyed the building. Without a single life lost, I might add. That was a symbol that they weren't going to take it anymore, and it did nothing but wreck inanimate bricks and steel. But it caused the possibility of real change, finally.
And also agreed. MLK has been turned from a brave activist who DID march into harm's way as a strategy to show the brutality of the state at the time...into a twisted excuse to back down and be peaceful and complacent, hush and file a civil motion that will be thrown in the bin as the police commissioners laugh about it. If you've noticed, the quotes chosen for his D.C. statue are carefully chosen "acceptable" quotes. That's always bothered me. That and that there's no statues to the other civil rights leaders. Even the Smithsonian Museum of African American History pulls its punches far too much, if you know the actual history to compare the exhibits to.
And I agree. I simply support the people in the street. To me, the destruction of the third precinct was the most powerful, and necessary statement that could be made at this time. They want to not be murdered by the police, not be in fear that any interaction with cops might result in their death or that of a family member, and some people have a problem with that.
And that's absolutely right. When just shouting doesn't work, disruption is the next step. Nothing happened at ALL in police reform due to any protest in the past few decades. Police militarization and immunity from responsibility for murdering black people especially just got worse and worse. Nothing happened...until a crowd forced an entire crooked police precinct to evacuate, and then destroyed the building. Without a single life lost, I might add. That was a symbol that they weren't going to take it anymore, and it did nothing but wreck inanimate bricks and steel. But it caused the possibility of real change, finally.
And also agreed. MLK has been turned from a brave activist who DID march into harm's way as a strategy to show the brutality of the state at the time...into a twisted excuse to back down and be peaceful and complacent, hush and file a civil motion that will be thrown in the bin as the police commissioners laugh about it. If you've noticed, the quotes chosen for his D.C. statue are carefully chosen "acceptable" quotes. That's always bothered me. That and that there's no statues to the other civil rights leaders. Even the Smithsonian Museum of African American History pulls its punches far too much, if you know the actual history to compare the exhibits to.
And I agree. I simply support the people in the street. To me, the destruction of the third precinct was the most powerful, and necessary statement that could be made at this time. They want to not be murdered by the police, not be in fear that any interaction with cops might result in their death or that of a family member, and some people have a problem with that.
Wait, so brown furred anthropomorphic male poodle dog lives matter?
That's pretty specific.
Furry political cringe is always fun!
Anyway...
ALL lives matter, especially when it comes to police brutality.
That includes black, white, hispanic, gay, straight, whatever. HUMAN LIVES MATTER.
I absolutely agree with the phrase "black lives matter" but I do not agree with the anti-white stance of the organization itself. Especially with the whole "sins of the father" crap. White people that have never owned slaves and black/brown people that have never been slaves are not the problem.
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/bvvc.pdf
https://www.statista.com/statistics.....olice-by-race/
https://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/107-children-in-single-parent-families-by-race#detailed/1/any/false/37,871,870,573,869,36,868,867,133,38/10,11,9,12,1,185,13/432,431
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u......ta-table-3.xls
More white people are killed by police every year despite the black population committing more crime while being a statistically smaller part of the population.
Silence is violence, right? (I do not believe in this phrase as it is a way to justify violence against people that are not or do not want to be part of any of this, left or right) So why are you silent on all the other people of different races killed by police?
Creating a race war and rioting and looting is NOT the way to go about this and is spitting in the face of everything Martin Luther King Jr. stood for. Now I understand you may not like MLK but I honestly believe he was a great man with a great idea.
This is NOT a one race issue.
The police need to be demilitarized and require A LOT more training and accountability, but that is not going to happen when people are burning down their own towns and terrifying people that have no part in any of this.
Tribalism by fear/violence is not the way to win hearts and minds.
Destroying your community does not HELP your community.
That's pretty specific.
Furry political cringe is always fun!
Anyway...
ALL lives matter, especially when it comes to police brutality.
That includes black, white, hispanic, gay, straight, whatever. HUMAN LIVES MATTER.
I absolutely agree with the phrase "black lives matter" but I do not agree with the anti-white stance of the organization itself. Especially with the whole "sins of the father" crap. White people that have never owned slaves and black/brown people that have never been slaves are not the problem.
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/bvvc.pdf
https://www.statista.com/statistics.....olice-by-race/
https://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/107-children-in-single-parent-families-by-race#detailed/1/any/false/37,871,870,573,869,36,868,867,133,38/10,11,9,12,1,185,13/432,431
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u......ta-table-3.xls
More white people are killed by police every year despite the black population committing more crime while being a statistically smaller part of the population.
Silence is violence, right? (I do not believe in this phrase as it is a way to justify violence against people that are not or do not want to be part of any of this, left or right) So why are you silent on all the other people of different races killed by police?
Creating a race war and rioting and looting is NOT the way to go about this and is spitting in the face of everything Martin Luther King Jr. stood for. Now I understand you may not like MLK but I honestly believe he was a great man with a great idea.
This is NOT a one race issue.
The police need to be demilitarized and require A LOT more training and accountability, but that is not going to happen when people are burning down their own towns and terrifying people that have no part in any of this.
Tribalism by fear/violence is not the way to win hearts and minds.
Destroying your community does not HELP your community.
And another who doesn't get it. Dude. Black Lives Matter is NOT EXCLUSIONARY.
Here's an analogy for you. Someone's lying in the street with a horrible leg wound bleeding out, screaming "My leg!" Now. What do you do? Do you help them, and put a tourniquet on THEIR leg if necessary so they don't bleed out and die? Or do you stand there and whine "Well, what about MY legs? All legs matter!"
Do you see how utterly ridiculous that is?
The American black community is constantly victimized by police brutality, and it's been getting WORSE. Shot, beaten, choked, killed in the street. This time it was over a freaking fake $20 that nearly everyone has had at one time or another. Killed, on camera, while the other cops watched. Nine minutes with a knee on his carotid artery till he died, while already restrained. That was an execution. And it was not unique. Another black man was just shot in the back for humiliating the cop-bros and getting away. Two college students were beaten, tased and pulled out of a car for being black, because someone reported "a car" with someone shooting fireworks. It wasn't them, but hey, they were black, so they got attacked by the cops.
This happens EVERYWHERE. EVERY DAY AND EVERY NIGHT. They are in FEAR for their lives with every interaction with police. Where you as a likely white person get the "sir" or "ma'am", they get suspicion or just get cuffed and beaten if they say one word.
And THAT is why Black Lives Matter exists. Because BLACK people are the ones most in danger, most victimized by police. You don't get a participation trophy.
Suck it up, be an ally, understand the cause, or just hush and go back to your privilege.
Here's an analogy for you. Someone's lying in the street with a horrible leg wound bleeding out, screaming "My leg!" Now. What do you do? Do you help them, and put a tourniquet on THEIR leg if necessary so they don't bleed out and die? Or do you stand there and whine "Well, what about MY legs? All legs matter!"
Do you see how utterly ridiculous that is?
The American black community is constantly victimized by police brutality, and it's been getting WORSE. Shot, beaten, choked, killed in the street. This time it was over a freaking fake $20 that nearly everyone has had at one time or another. Killed, on camera, while the other cops watched. Nine minutes with a knee on his carotid artery till he died, while already restrained. That was an execution. And it was not unique. Another black man was just shot in the back for humiliating the cop-bros and getting away. Two college students were beaten, tased and pulled out of a car for being black, because someone reported "a car" with someone shooting fireworks. It wasn't them, but hey, they were black, so they got attacked by the cops.
This happens EVERYWHERE. EVERY DAY AND EVERY NIGHT. They are in FEAR for their lives with every interaction with police. Where you as a likely white person get the "sir" or "ma'am", they get suspicion or just get cuffed and beaten if they say one word.
And THAT is why Black Lives Matter exists. Because BLACK people are the ones most in danger, most victimized by police. You don't get a participation trophy.
Suck it up, be an ally, understand the cause, or just hush and go back to your privilege.
Oh, and I just noticed this gem in your "writing". Do you take after Orson Scott Card and others who segued into hate when they got older? Wipe that "writer" tag off your profile if so, because nobody needs any more of that.
You wrote:
"despite the black population committing more crime while being a statistically smaller part of the population"
That is SHIT from white supremacist sites, and is a LIE. That is the ONLY sort of people who spout that "statistic". Either you've been reading the wrong sites or need to turn off hate TV like Faux Noise, or that's what you truly believe.
But it's a white supremacist lie. So which is it? Explain yourself on that one, because that's beyond inexcusable to repeat that lie.
You wrote:
"despite the black population committing more crime while being a statistically smaller part of the population"
That is SHIT from white supremacist sites, and is a LIE. That is the ONLY sort of people who spout that "statistic". Either you've been reading the wrong sites or need to turn off hate TV like Faux Noise, or that's what you truly believe.
But it's a white supremacist lie. So which is it? Explain yourself on that one, because that's beyond inexcusable to repeat that lie.
I linked literal raw statistics so, go argue with the statistics takers.
I don't know who Orson Scott is... I'm not going to play speech and debate "guess the logical fallacy" game with you... Fox news is just as terrible and fake as all other entertainment based "rage bait" news sources that only benefit the 1%. I'm not going to play the "cherry pick one line while missing everything else" game with you either.
Look, I've already been called a "racist" for believing in Martin Luther King Jr. and his approach to protesting with non-violence, and I wholeheartedly believe in it...
It is the same tactics I used when fighting for my right to gay marriage and non discrimination in the workplace. I didn't steal, I didn't burn my town down, and getting pepper sprayed for just being gay sucks. Having the police not care when I call them for a gay bashing outside a gay bar in Arizona sucks too.
So you can fuck right off with your assumptions, you've already made up your mind and thrown out the accusations. You can also fuck off with your "privilege" bullshit, you don't fucking know me or the life I have had.
Learn to read, I never said black lives don't matter, I also didn't defend corrupt cops. I absolutely agree with you that there is a problem with militarized, under-trained, corrupt shit cops, and it affects EVERYONE! Except for the 1%... So maybe instead of raging at your fellow man you should look at the people that are profiting off all this bullshit... Here's a hint, it isn't the mom and pop and minority store owners getting their businesses burned down.
You are basically screaming at me like a lunatic WHEN I AM FUCKING AGREEING WITH YOU!!!
Good grief!
I don't know who Orson Scott is... I'm not going to play speech and debate "guess the logical fallacy" game with you... Fox news is just as terrible and fake as all other entertainment based "rage bait" news sources that only benefit the 1%. I'm not going to play the "cherry pick one line while missing everything else" game with you either.
Look, I've already been called a "racist" for believing in Martin Luther King Jr. and his approach to protesting with non-violence, and I wholeheartedly believe in it...
It is the same tactics I used when fighting for my right to gay marriage and non discrimination in the workplace. I didn't steal, I didn't burn my town down, and getting pepper sprayed for just being gay sucks. Having the police not care when I call them for a gay bashing outside a gay bar in Arizona sucks too.
So you can fuck right off with your assumptions, you've already made up your mind and thrown out the accusations. You can also fuck off with your "privilege" bullshit, you don't fucking know me or the life I have had.
Learn to read, I never said black lives don't matter, I also didn't defend corrupt cops. I absolutely agree with you that there is a problem with militarized, under-trained, corrupt shit cops, and it affects EVERYONE! Except for the 1%... So maybe instead of raging at your fellow man you should look at the people that are profiting off all this bullshit... Here's a hint, it isn't the mom and pop and minority store owners getting their businesses burned down.
You are basically screaming at me like a lunatic WHEN I AM FUCKING AGREEING WITH YOU!!!
Good grief!
You’re not agreeing with me. You’re declaring yourself superior to the black community because you “didn’t steal and didn’t burn your town down”, as you said.
And you’re blind to your own racism in that.
If you say “all lives matter”, the dismissal now used by white supremacists, as you did, you’re wrong and showing privilege. If you defend it and keep doing it when educated, you’re just an ass.
It’s Black Lives Matter. And I could care less what you think of that, now.
Check your privilege.
And you’re blind to your own racism in that.
If you say “all lives matter”, the dismissal now used by white supremacists, as you did, you’re wrong and showing privilege. If you defend it and keep doing it when educated, you’re just an ass.
It’s Black Lives Matter. And I could care less what you think of that, now.
Check your privilege.
Keep attacking people that agree with you, that is exactly what the 1%ers and mega wealthy politicians and actual racists want.
You can assume I have "privilege" all you want, but again you do not know me or my life or the shit I have had to deal with and still deal with, and I am not about to get into a "Victim Olympics" competition with you.
Because apparently I'm a poor big black cock sucking faggot in a loving mixed race marriage with a mixed race family and that somehow makes me a white supremacist nazi to people like you. This is the exact kind of shit that pushes people AWAY from what started as a good cause.
Guess what...
ALL LIVES MATTER!
That INCLUDES literally every skin tone, no exceptions!
If I'm a racist for saying all lives matter when it comes to corrupt pig cops that need to be put in jail for life or death row for murdering people of ANY color in cold blood then I guess the word racism doesn't mean shit anymore.
Do you want to call me a cop boot licker too while you are throwing out your bullshit? Here's a journal I did 5 years ago before this shit was "trendy" about how bad the cops are in America https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/6027506/ and I got called a "conspiracy nut" back then for pointing out how bad militarizing the police is.
I still agree with you that black lives matter (even if you are too furious or brainwashed to see it), and so do gay, straight, bi, white, Asian, Filipino, Hispanic, or fucking plaid and any other color in the rainbow that have been abused or killed by the terrible police in America and fucked over by a terrible justice system that republicans and democrats alike have encouraged.
But I still believe strongly In Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s teachings and non-violent protest being the best way. And it is fine if you disagree with that.
Anyway, I'm done here. Go ahead and keep calling me whatever stupid names and throwing whatever false accusations you want.
You can assume I have "privilege" all you want, but again you do not know me or my life or the shit I have had to deal with and still deal with, and I am not about to get into a "Victim Olympics" competition with you.
Because apparently I'm a poor big black cock sucking faggot in a loving mixed race marriage with a mixed race family and that somehow makes me a white supremacist nazi to people like you. This is the exact kind of shit that pushes people AWAY from what started as a good cause.
Guess what...
ALL LIVES MATTER!
That INCLUDES literally every skin tone, no exceptions!
If I'm a racist for saying all lives matter when it comes to corrupt pig cops that need to be put in jail for life or death row for murdering people of ANY color in cold blood then I guess the word racism doesn't mean shit anymore.
Do you want to call me a cop boot licker too while you are throwing out your bullshit? Here's a journal I did 5 years ago before this shit was "trendy" about how bad the cops are in America https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/6027506/ and I got called a "conspiracy nut" back then for pointing out how bad militarizing the police is.
I still agree with you that black lives matter (even if you are too furious or brainwashed to see it), and so do gay, straight, bi, white, Asian, Filipino, Hispanic, or fucking plaid and any other color in the rainbow that have been abused or killed by the terrible police in America and fucked over by a terrible justice system that republicans and democrats alike have encouraged.
But I still believe strongly In Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s teachings and non-violent protest being the best way. And it is fine if you disagree with that.
Anyway, I'm done here. Go ahead and keep calling me whatever stupid names and throwing whatever false accusations you want.
The shit you've had to deal with?
Come back when you're pulled over for driving while gay, or had a gun put in your face in a car for being gay.
That's the "shit" the black community has to deal with. You're, from what you've said, WHITE. That does not HAPPEN to you, and you CANNOT relate to it. My neighbor at my previous residence worked at Fidelity, drove a Porsche Cayenne, and was repeatedly pulled over to "be sure the car was his." Because he's black. Because an oncoming cop saw his complexion, did a u-turn and went after a black man in a nice vehicle. And more than once, it's resulted in police murdering the black man when they reach for their wallet or registration. Tell me when you have that happen to you.
That's the reality.
Come back when you're pulled over for driving while gay, or had a gun put in your face in a car for being gay.
That's the "shit" the black community has to deal with. You're, from what you've said, WHITE. That does not HAPPEN to you, and you CANNOT relate to it. My neighbor at my previous residence worked at Fidelity, drove a Porsche Cayenne, and was repeatedly pulled over to "be sure the car was his." Because he's black. Because an oncoming cop saw his complexion, did a u-turn and went after a black man in a nice vehicle. And more than once, it's resulted in police murdering the black man when they reach for their wallet or registration. Tell me when you have that happen to you.
That's the reality.
Axel, I'm with you. A lot of these people are a one sided lost cause.
They spew ignorance and talk about the community's struggles,
jumping on the latest trending chaos bandwagon and wear the problem like a favorite t-shirt.
I am a black American, spent half my life in Southern California, and the other in Texas. I've seen shit, I've heard shit, I've dealt with shit. What these "keyboard warriors" are not realizing, You cant fix that which keeps breaking, until you remove the cause of the problem, and its not the police. It's the community itself. I've worked just as hard as whites and achieved everything as an equal, with no issues, on my own, no aid. All I did was grew up, lose the mentality fellow blacks preached, and stopped acting like an idiot. this "white privilege", I've never seen it. All I can say is there's shitty people everywhere. on all sides. People only listen to what the want to hear, what they want to believe and some have to have something to fight. It's a defective human trait. We'll preach how we're treated, viewed, and cause an up roar, but blissfully ignore how we treat each other, the bad parenting, poor education(lack of interest to learn), attacking the elderly, fight over everything, trash talk, robbing, commit crime, willingly live the life of the stereotype, pollute with community with race bating leaders . That's were things should start, that's where things need to be fixed. But we're all greedy, selfish, gullible, stupid humans. I truly believe as humanity, we are a lost cause. We punch our selves in the face, and blame someone else. "Why should anyone try and help me, If I don't want to help myself."
To Koda's bad leg example, If people stopped wounding their own leg, They wouldn't need help. Pull your head out of your ass, you're spitting bias bulllshit. I love that people are angry and want to help, Hell yes! But know where to fight first.
https://youtu.be/kgg970bf1sg
Side note, My brother who is white was attacked by a group yelling "BLM" when responding to a A.C. service call. They caught one of them. My question is: By wearing my skin color, chanting equality and attacking whites, how does that make me look? If I was not racist then attacked for no reason.. That might skew my view.
They spew ignorance and talk about the community's struggles,
jumping on the latest trending chaos bandwagon and wear the problem like a favorite t-shirt.
I am a black American, spent half my life in Southern California, and the other in Texas. I've seen shit, I've heard shit, I've dealt with shit. What these "keyboard warriors" are not realizing, You cant fix that which keeps breaking, until you remove the cause of the problem, and its not the police. It's the community itself. I've worked just as hard as whites and achieved everything as an equal, with no issues, on my own, no aid. All I did was grew up, lose the mentality fellow blacks preached, and stopped acting like an idiot. this "white privilege", I've never seen it. All I can say is there's shitty people everywhere. on all sides. People only listen to what the want to hear, what they want to believe and some have to have something to fight. It's a defective human trait. We'll preach how we're treated, viewed, and cause an up roar, but blissfully ignore how we treat each other, the bad parenting, poor education(lack of interest to learn), attacking the elderly, fight over everything, trash talk, robbing, commit crime, willingly live the life of the stereotype, pollute with community with race bating leaders . That's were things should start, that's where things need to be fixed. But we're all greedy, selfish, gullible, stupid humans. I truly believe as humanity, we are a lost cause. We punch our selves in the face, and blame someone else. "Why should anyone try and help me, If I don't want to help myself."
To Koda's bad leg example, If people stopped wounding their own leg, They wouldn't need help. Pull your head out of your ass, you're spitting bias bulllshit. I love that people are angry and want to help, Hell yes! But know where to fight first.
https://youtu.be/kgg970bf1sg
Side note, My brother who is white was attacked by a group yelling "BLM" when responding to a A.C. service call. They caught one of them. My question is: By wearing my skin color, chanting equality and attacking whites, how does that make me look? If I was not racist then attacked for no reason.. That might skew my view.
Right? They should have just peacefully dispersed and why, we might look like...well...the countries where films must edit out any homosexual content to be shown in theaters. And kids would be tortured by "deprogramming" as an accepted thing. And nobody would have any rights or protections at all. I know the God Squads would love that, but the rest of us wouldn't.
Peaceful doesn't always work. Sometimes you have to fight.
Peaceful doesn't always work. Sometimes you have to fight.
So I want to point out a statistical bait-and-switch you're doing here.
You admit that black people are a statistically smaller portion of the US population, and yet you trot out "more white people are killed by police" as some kind of gotcha.
We would expect more white people to be killed by police if there are more white people in the United States.
60% of the US population is white. 13% is black. That's a ratio of about # Therefore we would expect to see a ratio of about 4.62 times as many white people as black people killed by police.
In your own statistics, here are the breakdowns of white and black deaths by year:
457 : 223 (2.05:1)
399 : 209 (1.91:1)
370 : 235 (1.57:1)
172 : 88 (1.95:1)
So black people are killed over twice as often as they should be comapred to a demographically proportionate amount of deaths. In 2019, it was almost three times as often.
Here's what a proportional number of deaths would look like by year, keeping white deaths the same:
457 : 99
399 : 86
370 : 80
172 : 37
In total, 453 extra black people were killed over this four-year period. I will repeat that. Over the last four years, four hundred and fifty-three extra black souls were lost to police violence.
Those lives mattered.
Am I saying that the white lives that were lost didn't matter? Absolutely not. Police abolition would stop them from getting killed, too. I don't know why "The police have shot 3,400 people in four years and not all of them were black" is a strong argument against this.
You admit that black people are a statistically smaller portion of the US population, and yet you trot out "more white people are killed by police" as some kind of gotcha.
We would expect more white people to be killed by police if there are more white people in the United States.
60% of the US population is white. 13% is black. That's a ratio of about # Therefore we would expect to see a ratio of about 4.62 times as many white people as black people killed by police.
In your own statistics, here are the breakdowns of white and black deaths by year:
457 : 223 (2.05:1)
399 : 209 (1.91:1)
370 : 235 (1.57:1)
172 : 88 (1.95:1)
So black people are killed over twice as often as they should be comapred to a demographically proportionate amount of deaths. In 2019, it was almost three times as often.
Here's what a proportional number of deaths would look like by year, keeping white deaths the same:
457 : 99
399 : 86
370 : 80
172 : 37
In total, 453 extra black people were killed over this four-year period. I will repeat that. Over the last four years, four hundred and fifty-three extra black souls were lost to police violence.
Those lives mattered.
Am I saying that the white lives that were lost didn't matter? Absolutely not. Police abolition would stop them from getting killed, too. I don't know why "The police have shot 3,400 people in four years and not all of them were black" is a strong argument against this.
All of what you're saying is a smokescreen.
The police is not an extrajudicial killing force. They are not authorized to murder people in the process of bringing them in. They interact with more than murderers, and murderers do not make up a sizable portion of the black people who have been killed by police, and even if they were, police are not authorized to execute criminals even if they have unambiguously committed a crime.
It's worth noting, many of the deaths being protested are for nonviolent offenses or things that are not illegal. Trayvon Martin was killed buying skittles and iced tea. Breonna Taylor was killed in her own home, asleep when it was raided. Eric Garner's crime was, allegedly, selling cigarettes illegally. George Floyd's crime, allegedly, was trying to use a counterfeit $20. Many peaceful protesters have been beaten, shot, and tear-gassed. None of these people are murderers, and none of them have deserved the violence enacted on them.
For someone who seems to be really, really gung ho on defending the rule of law, you seem to be forgetting the due process right and freedom from cruel and unusual punishment of every American. I don't particularly know why this is such a sticking point, but: The police killing someone should be a rare act, and is almost everywhere else in the world. Even if they're arresting someone who is accused of murder, the police killing someone should be a rare act, and is almost everywhere else in the world. Even if you support the death penalty and hope that the murderers fry for their sins, the police killing someone should be a rare act, and is almost everywhere else in the world. And while we're at it, tear gas is a violation of the Geneva Conventions, and yet it's been used repeatedly, even after statements that it wouldn't be.
None of this should not be controversial, and yet it is, which makes me wonder what, precisely, you want to defend.
The United States spends almost as much as the EU on a system that fails its citizens this badly? And you see nothing wrong with this?
When we say "defund the police", we don't mean that a civil defense force may be necessary in some future system, in some limited way. We're saying that the institution known as the police, collectively, don't do their jobs well at all, tend to cover for each other, are a reliable source of violence, and are legally protected from both civil and criminal penalties, meaning they can frequently get away with literal murder. The entrenchment of all of these factors makes the institution unreformable. It needs to be redesigned from the ground up. The money spent in the EU could also probably be spent in better ways, but the case is crystal-fucking-clear in the US that most of the police budget does not serve the interests of the communities being policed by these thugs.
So yeah, defund the police. Defund them in the EU, too.
The police is not an extrajudicial killing force. They are not authorized to murder people in the process of bringing them in. They interact with more than murderers, and murderers do not make up a sizable portion of the black people who have been killed by police, and even if they were, police are not authorized to execute criminals even if they have unambiguously committed a crime.
It's worth noting, many of the deaths being protested are for nonviolent offenses or things that are not illegal. Trayvon Martin was killed buying skittles and iced tea. Breonna Taylor was killed in her own home, asleep when it was raided. Eric Garner's crime was, allegedly, selling cigarettes illegally. George Floyd's crime, allegedly, was trying to use a counterfeit $20. Many peaceful protesters have been beaten, shot, and tear-gassed. None of these people are murderers, and none of them have deserved the violence enacted on them.
For someone who seems to be really, really gung ho on defending the rule of law, you seem to be forgetting the due process right and freedom from cruel and unusual punishment of every American. I don't particularly know why this is such a sticking point, but: The police killing someone should be a rare act, and is almost everywhere else in the world. Even if they're arresting someone who is accused of murder, the police killing someone should be a rare act, and is almost everywhere else in the world. Even if you support the death penalty and hope that the murderers fry for their sins, the police killing someone should be a rare act, and is almost everywhere else in the world. And while we're at it, tear gas is a violation of the Geneva Conventions, and yet it's been used repeatedly, even after statements that it wouldn't be.
None of this should not be controversial, and yet it is, which makes me wonder what, precisely, you want to defend.
The United States spends almost as much as the EU on a system that fails its citizens this badly? And you see nothing wrong with this?
When we say "defund the police", we don't mean that a civil defense force may be necessary in some future system, in some limited way. We're saying that the institution known as the police, collectively, don't do their jobs well at all, tend to cover for each other, are a reliable source of violence, and are legally protected from both civil and criminal penalties, meaning they can frequently get away with literal murder. The entrenchment of all of these factors makes the institution unreformable. It needs to be redesigned from the ground up. The money spent in the EU could also probably be spent in better ways, but the case is crystal-fucking-clear in the US that most of the police budget does not serve the interests of the communities being policed by these thugs.
So yeah, defund the police. Defund them in the EU, too.
Are you kidding the BLM movement currently brought awareness to Danial Shaver's(A white man) Murder and several others ALL Livers Ignored over the past 10 years. They also Helped bring Zachary Hammond's death to forfront when ALM Said not a damn thing. ALM is Straight Pride just as Useless and less funny since people are dying.
My White Ass stands by BLM.
My White Ass stands by BLM.
It's less, "sins of the father" and more that decisions and actions from then still have lingering and strong effects today that need to be addressed. That behaviors and ideas from before have been passed down and taught to people today, even on small or even subconscious levels.
It's also less about individuals and more about the system built that favors some people over another that's the focus.
It's also less about individuals and more about the system built that favors some people over another that's the focus.
Who knew that a picture that basically just says "13.4% of the american population would like to not be murdered anymore" would be this divisive.
So far, we've had in order:
-A whataboutist ("Bububut blacks kill each other too!")
-Three ALMs ("All lives matter!"), one of which a statistician ("The numbers don't lie, as long as I manipulate them in MY favour!")
-one separatist ("Keep your political views out of MY porn!")
Now we just need a George Floyd denialist ("He was resisting arrest! He was convicted of assault ten years ago!") and one of those deeply lost white supremacists (...I'd rather you filled in the blank for yourself.), so I can fill out my bingo card.
So far, we've had in order:
-A whataboutist ("Bububut blacks kill each other too!")
-Three ALMs ("All lives matter!"), one of which a statistician ("The numbers don't lie, as long as I manipulate them in MY favour!")
-one separatist ("Keep your political views out of MY porn!")
Now we just need a George Floyd denialist ("He was resisting arrest! He was convicted of assault ten years ago!") and one of those deeply lost white supremacists (...I'd rather you filled in the blank for yourself.), so I can fill out my bingo card.
Art is political.
Art is perception.
It comes from what you or I or any other creator consume, the media we like. It's put out from our minds into the world through the lens of our experiences, good or bad. To say that art of all stripes isn't political would be folly.
Some people would say that depicting gays is political. Some people would say that acknowledging trans people in art is political. Whenever an artist makes a choice to depict something that isn't 'normal', the people crying over it tend to be people that are 'normal'.
Make no mistake, I'm white as a fish's belly, but I think that's horse shit. It's the same kind of argument folks trotted out when Colin took a knee. How come that was political, but the confederate flag and iconography in sports wasn't?
tl;dr art political, ur art good, draw more stuff that makes racists angry.
How much do I have to pay you to draw furry General Sherman burning a confederate flag 'cause I will do it
Art is perception.
It comes from what you or I or any other creator consume, the media we like. It's put out from our minds into the world through the lens of our experiences, good or bad. To say that art of all stripes isn't political would be folly.
Some people would say that depicting gays is political. Some people would say that acknowledging trans people in art is political. Whenever an artist makes a choice to depict something that isn't 'normal', the people crying over it tend to be people that are 'normal'.
Make no mistake, I'm white as a fish's belly, but I think that's horse shit. It's the same kind of argument folks trotted out when Colin took a knee. How come that was political, but the confederate flag and iconography in sports wasn't?
tl;dr art political, ur art good, draw more stuff that makes racists angry.
How much do I have to pay you to draw furry General Sherman burning a confederate flag 'cause I will do it
Majority of "reported" crimes are by black people, actually. But when the police force get wriggle room on what crimes to pursue and to what degree, there's lots of room for biases and personal prejudices to appear.
Also, Floyd's background didn't matter at the time of his death. Cops shouldn't be judge and jury. Simple as that.
Also, Floyd's background didn't matter at the time of his death. Cops shouldn't be judge and jury. Simple as that.
Trash in the community.
Honestly, the furry fandom in general is just appaulingly bad at chucking these people out. The only grace we have is that most of them have so little in the way of social awareness that, if given a chance, they will jump up to scream about how dreadful they are.
Honestly, I'm not even kidding. I left the furry community behind in my offline life entirely and moved elsewhere. Since then I have never run into an actual out-and-out white supremacist. I've never been called a gendered slut either in any other community apart from this one. Never known anyone who was sexually assaulted at a convention - by convention staff - in any other community. Never received death threats for asking people to respect personal boundaries in any other community - but in the furry one, it happened several times.
We need to get a whole lot better at turning out the garbage.
Honestly, the furry fandom in general is just appaulingly bad at chucking these people out. The only grace we have is that most of them have so little in the way of social awareness that, if given a chance, they will jump up to scream about how dreadful they are.
Honestly, I'm not even kidding. I left the furry community behind in my offline life entirely and moved elsewhere. Since then I have never run into an actual out-and-out white supremacist. I've never been called a gendered slut either in any other community apart from this one. Never known anyone who was sexually assaulted at a convention - by convention staff - in any other community. Never received death threats for asking people to respect personal boundaries in any other community - but in the furry one, it happened several times.
We need to get a whole lot better at turning out the garbage.
"Since then I have never run into an actual out-and-out white supremacist."
They're out there, just not as loud, except for the moron "boogaloo" ones wearing Hawaiian shirts now while carrying guns to wave at BLM protesters. I've seen iron cross throat tattoos on high and tight haircut angry-looking white men. White supremacist. I've seen a "III%" patch on cheesy leather vests worn by wheezing middle aged white men who think they're concealing the fact that they're obviously carrying a gun in the supermarket. White supremacist.
Most as loudest online, where they won't face an asskicking for being assholes, but they're out there.
Granted, furry fandom does need to do a better job kicking them out, in my opinion, but there sure as hell are racists, homophobes and everything else in pretty much every community and fandom.
Look at gamers and game conventions whenever A GIRL shows up in their shoot-everything game, let alone a person of color. Remember the racist rage over a black soldier on the box of Battlefield One? That was naked hate for all the world to see, on every forum. And I most certainly have seen slurs as to the trans community everywhere from science fiction to car forums.
It's not just furries. It's here, but it's elsewhere.
They're out there, just not as loud, except for the moron "boogaloo" ones wearing Hawaiian shirts now while carrying guns to wave at BLM protesters. I've seen iron cross throat tattoos on high and tight haircut angry-looking white men. White supremacist. I've seen a "III%" patch on cheesy leather vests worn by wheezing middle aged white men who think they're concealing the fact that they're obviously carrying a gun in the supermarket. White supremacist.
Most as loudest online, where they won't face an asskicking for being assholes, but they're out there.
Granted, furry fandom does need to do a better job kicking them out, in my opinion, but there sure as hell are racists, homophobes and everything else in pretty much every community and fandom.
Look at gamers and game conventions whenever A GIRL shows up in their shoot-everything game, let alone a person of color. Remember the racist rage over a black soldier on the box of Battlefield One? That was naked hate for all the world to see, on every forum. And I most certainly have seen slurs as to the trans community everywhere from science fiction to car forums.
It's not just furries. It's here, but it's elsewhere.
Oh yeah, I know they're out there. They're 100% out there.
The positive side, though, is that once they are known publicly, they're excluded. That's enough to destroy their reputations. People won't speak to them, they get de-platformed, they can't get a drink at the bar.
So they know to hide and shut the hell up. But here? Eh. I personally stick to communities and fandoms where most of the focuses of the community is enough to get us all slathered with the 'Social Justice Warrior' brush - which is fine for me, obviously, but it's also pretty great for telling shitty people that it's a community that's not for them.
I mean, I should know - in my neck of the woods, I run my city's club. I inherited it from the previous owner, who was a HUGE fucking racist. A lot of the work I've personally done is in repairing the damage to our reputation that he caused, and making our community open for everyone. And part of that is chucking toxic people out in order to protect others, and I just fucking WISH that the furry community would do the same.
And yeah, the gaming community is a nightmate too. I've had those comments a lot too, it's why I rarely play shooter games. A lot of that is because the shitheels saw gamers as an easy in-road - and you only need to look at gamergate to see that they were kinda right about that.
I mean, I could name you the known shitheels in my community. Sadly, they make headlines. Some still make content. Others don't, and won't be given the chance to. And I'm kinda fine with that. I'd be a lot more fine if they weren't ANYWHERE - but progress is progress.
The positive side, though, is that once they are known publicly, they're excluded. That's enough to destroy their reputations. People won't speak to them, they get de-platformed, they can't get a drink at the bar.
So they know to hide and shut the hell up. But here? Eh. I personally stick to communities and fandoms where most of the focuses of the community is enough to get us all slathered with the 'Social Justice Warrior' brush - which is fine for me, obviously, but it's also pretty great for telling shitty people that it's a community that's not for them.
I mean, I should know - in my neck of the woods, I run my city's club. I inherited it from the previous owner, who was a HUGE fucking racist. A lot of the work I've personally done is in repairing the damage to our reputation that he caused, and making our community open for everyone. And part of that is chucking toxic people out in order to protect others, and I just fucking WISH that the furry community would do the same.
And yeah, the gaming community is a nightmate too. I've had those comments a lot too, it's why I rarely play shooter games. A lot of that is because the shitheels saw gamers as an easy in-road - and you only need to look at gamergate to see that they were kinda right about that.
I mean, I could name you the known shitheels in my community. Sadly, they make headlines. Some still make content. Others don't, and won't be given the chance to. And I'm kinda fine with that. I'd be a lot more fine if they weren't ANYWHERE - but progress is progress.
And yet search antifa by date and a comic by a certain asshole proud boy sympathizer glorifying the proud boys shooting at antifa for trying to take down racist statues is still up and the artist and his nazifur friends have not been banned permenatly cause when i was on deviant art before it became corporate hell and i left I saw he has done similar racist stuff at least 5 times on deviantart. everyone needs to change that no more NRA or libertarian or conservative furs they all nazis and cultists they can't help themselves and need to go.
I wish the furry fandom wasn't so full of racist fuckheads. At-least the comments section has found me plenty more entitled losers to per-emptively block so I never have to be bored by one of their tantrums.
Anyway, awesome picture! Very powerful. Thank you for helping make the furry fandom a cooler place.
Anyway, awesome picture! Very powerful. Thank you for helping make the furry fandom a cooler place.
leftist based which is good. Also Kyille seems like a nice person but her boyfriend husband kadath? seems to be hanging out and being buddy buddy with mate397, Alty and a white uncle tom/ben garrison scumbag, a certain fascist skunk, a certain spastic jerk that repeatedly draws pro proud boy/antewaffen which are known terrorists propaganda I mean their almost all their on his newest post having friendly chats with kadath on his coco bandicoot pics yet he has not blocked them.
Not to be rude but thats a very bad sing just saying she should be very troubled by a close family member hanging out with those harassers and people who get people banned on deviant art and probably here too because they can't handle facts and truth and are Nazifur scum see previous posts please put pressure on the administration to get rid of the nazifurs its way past time nazifurs need to be removed for all good anthro artists and art fans safety and piece of mind.
Not to be rude but thats a very bad sing just saying she should be very troubled by a close family member hanging out with those harassers and people who get people banned on deviant art and probably here too because they can't handle facts and truth and are Nazifur scum see previous posts please put pressure on the administration to get rid of the nazifurs its way past time nazifurs need to be removed for all good anthro artists and art fans safety and piece of mind.
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