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Drawn in Paint in 2006, the bare basics of the silly ship called Folly.
Who knows, maybe I'll try again at a better bit of art ...
Folly math
pi * r * r = area of circle
pi * 2 * r = perimeter of circle
pi * r * r *height = volume of cylinder
(pi * 4 * r * r * r)/3 = volume of sphere
At some point I had said (or thought) that each sphere could hold the same volume as the corncob and its full load of pods. So:
The Station or forward portion of Neal’s Folly is two spheres joined forward-aft. The forward sphere is hollow with two large round hatches that rotate towards the rear sphere for loading and unloading ‘large’ cargo. The space between the spheres has been filled in with eight bays, which hold Neal’s shuttles. (and a couple of small ships.)
Each sphere is about 860M in diameter. More details about them will be in my tall tales (as I make them up!)
Figuring ten meters for the reinforced ‘shell’ of the forward sphere, and we still have an 840 meter sphere worth of space to park ships/cargo in. (There are a few small ‘dents’ into this inside sphere, the shuttle/ship bays aft, forward observation blister forward, and other observation blisters – all normally shuttered inside and out.)
The aft sphere is the ‘heart’ of the station. Along with the command/control center, living, storage, and power, there are eight ‘open’ docking ports as well as tractor beams to ensure that once docked a ship will not ‘shift’ in reference to their docking port. The kids (and readers) won’t find it until book 3, but like the station in Deep Space 9, at the heart of the station she boasts a promenade with stores and shops covering a good portion of several decks for those paying her a visit as for those that call her home.
A pod is a 60-meter cube. (216,000M volume)
(there are 40 and 50 meter pods as well – mostly used for smaller loads or older facilities that can’t accommodate the larger pods)
Old corncob: each pod dock takes 75M of space on hull by 16 = 1200 around, about 382 meters across
New corncob: each pod dock takes 75M of space on hull by 32 = 2400 around, about 764 meters across
Old corncob: 28 rings of 16 pods (75M of space on hull) 2100M long, 240,677,727 cubic meters internal (not counting the 60 or so meters of the engineering section) external about 400 pods – 86,400,000 cubic meters. 327,077,727 total
New corncob: 21 rings of 32 pods (75M of space on hull) 1575M long, 722,033,182 cubic meters internal (not counting the 60 or so meters of the engineering section) external about 620 pods – 133,920,000 cubic meters. 855,953,182 total (two and a half times the storage of the old corncob)
Who knows, maybe I'll try again at a better bit of art ...
Folly math
pi * r * r = area of circle
pi * 2 * r = perimeter of circle
pi * r * r *height = volume of cylinder
(pi * 4 * r * r * r)/3 = volume of sphere
At some point I had said (or thought) that each sphere could hold the same volume as the corncob and its full load of pods. So:
The Station or forward portion of Neal’s Folly is two spheres joined forward-aft. The forward sphere is hollow with two large round hatches that rotate towards the rear sphere for loading and unloading ‘large’ cargo. The space between the spheres has been filled in with eight bays, which hold Neal’s shuttles. (and a couple of small ships.)
Each sphere is about 860M in diameter. More details about them will be in my tall tales (as I make them up!)
Figuring ten meters for the reinforced ‘shell’ of the forward sphere, and we still have an 840 meter sphere worth of space to park ships/cargo in. (There are a few small ‘dents’ into this inside sphere, the shuttle/ship bays aft, forward observation blister forward, and other observation blisters – all normally shuttered inside and out.)
The aft sphere is the ‘heart’ of the station. Along with the command/control center, living, storage, and power, there are eight ‘open’ docking ports as well as tractor beams to ensure that once docked a ship will not ‘shift’ in reference to their docking port. The kids (and readers) won’t find it until book 3, but like the station in Deep Space 9, at the heart of the station she boasts a promenade with stores and shops covering a good portion of several decks for those paying her a visit as for those that call her home.
A pod is a 60-meter cube. (216,000M volume)
(there are 40 and 50 meter pods as well – mostly used for smaller loads or older facilities that can’t accommodate the larger pods)
Old corncob: each pod dock takes 75M of space on hull by 16 = 1200 around, about 382 meters across
New corncob: each pod dock takes 75M of space on hull by 32 = 2400 around, about 764 meters across
Old corncob: 28 rings of 16 pods (75M of space on hull) 2100M long, 240,677,727 cubic meters internal (not counting the 60 or so meters of the engineering section) external about 400 pods – 86,400,000 cubic meters. 327,077,727 total
New corncob: 21 rings of 32 pods (75M of space on hull) 1575M long, 722,033,182 cubic meters internal (not counting the 60 or so meters of the engineering section) external about 620 pods – 133,920,000 cubic meters. 855,953,182 total (two and a half times the storage of the old corncob)
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I like the layout. Was watching that old PBS movie version of The Lathe of Heaven - parts of it were filmed in Dallas. Reunion Tower shows up a bit. Always thought it looked like a starship https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reunion_Tower Just add the second sphere and warp nachelles
Let's see as I remember from chats with you some time ago a standard shipping container in the CU is 3 meters wide by 3 high meters by 15 meters long.
I think we talked about a standard pod inside would hold 5 containers high, 8 containers wide and 3 containers deep. So they would carry 120 containers. There would also be room to move and tie them down for transport.
From personal experience I know having 5 to 10 tons up high on a large forklift mast is unsettling, having 30 to 40 tons at 15 meters or 50 feet high on a forklift mast would be just as unsettling even on a big forklift.
I think we talked about a standard pod inside would hold 5 containers high, 8 containers wide and 3 containers deep. So they would carry 120 containers. There would also be room to move and tie them down for transport.
From personal experience I know having 5 to 10 tons up high on a large forklift mast is unsettling, having 30 to 40 tons at 15 meters or 50 feet high on a forklift mast would be just as unsettling even on a big forklift.
3*3*12 meter I thought, so almost 10*10*40 in feet, so that's just a standard basic container. There are custom containers, but they can cost a lot more to ship as the basic computerize equipment has trouble with them (Not Tess of course - Neal hasn't been able to confuse her on shipping for years! )
As for unsettling, how about running one of those sky-cranes that load the big container ships? All things are normal to those doing them daily ...
As for unsettling, how about running one of those sky-cranes that load the big container ships? All things are normal to those doing them daily ...
The one thing that really comes to mind here is that I've always felt that that star ships with spindly elements seem to be a bad design. They just feel rather fragile. Imagine a cargo container shearing off during a hard maneuver and it clipping one of the nacelles on the way past.
I always felt that ships from the Homeworld franchise were kind of a gold-standard, stylistically speaking. Right along with ships like the Sulaco from Aliens, the Galactica from BSG, and the ships from the Honor Harrington series by David Weber. Basically space bricks with lots of armor. :P
I always felt that ships from the Homeworld franchise were kind of a gold-standard, stylistically speaking. Right along with ships like the Sulaco from Aliens, the Galactica from BSG, and the ships from the Honor Harrington series by David Weber. Basically space bricks with lots of armor. :P
The only really 'spindly element' on the Folly is the warp nacelles, and they are out there to help protect the ship. One reason for this is so Neal can reconfigure the warp bubble as needed (as in carrying something large along in the bubble.)
A round tube is a rather sturdy thing - so long as there aren't too many cross forces applied. Force fields, tractor beams, inertia dampeners, hull integrity fields; all can play a part when pushing forces past what mere mechanical linkages can handle.
I've read most of the Harrington books, sadly I'm playing in the Chakat Universe where they use something like Star Trek's warp drive. And only the Harrington universe military bricks have armor, the rest as easily opened with any can-opener/laser.
A round tube is a rather sturdy thing - so long as there aren't too many cross forces applied. Force fields, tractor beams, inertia dampeners, hull integrity fields; all can play a part when pushing forces past what mere mechanical linkages can handle.
I've read most of the Harrington books, sadly I'm playing in the Chakat Universe where they use something like Star Trek's warp drive. And only the Harrington universe military bricks have armor, the rest as easily opened with any can-opener/laser.
Remember also that the Pogo Stick (everything behind the spheres) is considered to be a double length pod carrier, so such "(regular length) pod carriers" are a known ship type. Probably plying high-volume routes. (I've had the idea of trying to write a story about the crew of such a ship. No progress yet.)
16 on the old - 32 on the new. 'Spacing' on both is 75 meters, so they could have handled up to 70 meter pods - if the heavy shuttles could have handled moving them. Current heavy shuttles max out at 60. (Neal may have 70s waiting in the wings - but what good are they if other ships/stations can't handle them?)
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