Just a shame she didn't tell him what it was. Or see that his parents effectively disowned him for it.

but she did tell him if I remember correctly, it was in this panel here -> https://www.furaffinity.net/view/42475920/

AH! Guess I forgot. XD But that does make sense. He wanted it because he'd been encouraged for it by his parents. Despite his excitement to do good, I guess it didn't translate to really feeling it in his heart.

But something that does kind of confuse me. She rejected him because he didn't have perfect dedication that she wanted for him to become a Guardian. Yet at the same time, we know his own parents also became guardians, as well as Leopold all having clear flaws in their character which, probably should have also disqualified them from becoming guardians.

It seems as if character flaws aren't determining if you're a failure or not, but the will to protect the others selflessly.
Nigel's parents may be terrible as parents, but apparently they were fitting enough to protect others when needed.
Leopold even though he's a jerk, he wanted to be protector of the weak from childhood.

That could definitely be true. Though it does feel hard to believe that they'd truly believe that when they so easily disown their own child. The lack of care or empathy, especially when Nigel himself only became bitter once he was discarded. As Nigel was still excited to try again from the rejection, but it was instead the neglect from his parents that trigger his dismay.

It could also be that his parents had once had the fullest intent on believing in their role as guardians, But over time, it was lost as they believe it now more as a status symbol. Which can honestly be much more believable. As once they are in, I don't see any particular way to be kicked out of being a guardian.

Afterall, people change, their beliefs, once noble and pure turn more selfish and greedy, so I have no doubt that once goodwilled guardians turned into assholes overtime, eith all the glory and praise people around put onto them.
Enough to look at the luxury their house was surrounded with!
And they've been having it for generations.

That kind of thing wreaks even the strongest of minds.
We have our world's richest peoples as examples.

"Power Corrupts, but Aboslute Power Corrupts Absolutely" you reckon? His parents if i remember right came from a lineage of guardians, so pride would have been a major determining factor for that mistreatment. Perhaps envy or greed for another more prestigeous title? Could also just be years of war against chaos warped their minds a little. Endevor from Boku no Hero comes to mind in this vein.

Leopold sought to be a guardian for himself. In part, because of what happened to his parent, but he was absolutely dedicated to serving as a Guardian. Same thing with Nigel's parents, and probably Tobi, his brother. Nigel was the one who only seemed to want to be a guardian for the approval of his parents, without a direct dedication to the job itself, as seen by what happened after rejection.

The thing as explained about being a guardian, is not whether you have character flaws, but are you able to be committed to the job regardless of what hardships will be placed in your way.

I can definitely see that for Leopold. Believing in the duty he has to for a Guardian, but having this sort of Self interested brute vibe to it. But it definitely seems like the scenario where he could, when it most counts, throws himself into the line of danger to protect someone.

As for Nigel's parents, I mentioned above that it's possible that at first, they fully believed in their role as guardians, but over time became disingenuous. Seeing their roles as guardians as status symbols. Which is why I don't believe their ability to so easily disown their own son would make them all that caring of other people either. The way they treat their own children most definitely gives insight to how they could possibly feel about other people in general. And if they're that willing to simply look the other way on their own child, then it's very possible that they'll not feel so selfless toward other people besides just faking it for the role.

Which is why I do think perhaps his parents changed over time, rather than them always having been that way.

A different type of shield is needed for the enemy they face.

She always sees the best in people.

But... sometimes that leaves her blind to the worst in people.

She only wants what's best for Nigel.

Well wanting’s not enough when her intentions, good as they were, lead to him being abandoned and left alone with no one to help him, guide him or love him.

That's not her fault. That falls squarely on the shoulders of his parents. Tying their love to him being a guardian. Nigel saw that and pushed to be a guardian to keep them from hating him. Their treatment of his little brother gave him all the evidence he needed of that. She warned them, begged his parents not to take the course of action they did. His parents put him before the tree knowing where it would lead. Making him a guardian wouldn't only get Nigel killed, but turn him to chaos, and lead him to murder countless innocence. His parent's are the ones at fault, not the Momma Tree.

That’s true, I wasn’t blaming her for their actions. We do need more context though for why she didn’t try to help him since she must have found out what happened.

Nigel you dare break mother's heart?!?! * grabs the axe*

She broke his dreams and future first so lets say they even.

They weren't truly -his- dreams though. If you remember, he only worked hard to become a guardian to please his parents, not out of a will to selflessly serve.

true. that's very much his parents fault for trying to live through him though. seen this kind of thing in real life and it fucked the kid i used to know up real bad

*continues to walk toward Nigel with said axe*

like... I wonder how she'd react to knowing that her refusal, while done with the best of intentions, basically destroyed everything in his life through no fault of her own, but through the fault of his perfectionist parents basically disowning him, IF she doesn't know already...which I lean towards her not knowing...either way this comic has long had me hooked

Exactly. I’ve been waiting for either her or Nigel to bring that factor up since it was what lead to him losing faith in Luna and blaming her for his abandonment and suffering.

She knows it full well, she spoke to his parent, telling them that they didn't rise him to his full potential and that it must change, but they've brushed it off, as if it was no mistake of theirs, but a failure on Nigel's side and abandoned him still.

She respects everyone's free will, so if it was their choice, it's up to them to live with it.
If Nigel chose hatred and disdain instead of finding what he lacked (even though she told him outright), so be it.
It pains her, but she never forces someone to do as she sees fit, or else it won't be "free" will.

I believe she did many "mistakes" like that, by giving everyone opportunity to make their own choices, and she lives with pain, probably remembering each and everyone.

Makes me wonder if its really self imposed rule, or is she trully incapable of forcing someone, if she trully can't make someone do as she wants?
Does her wisdom tells her that giving all the answers to a person will make situation worse?

ah right... I had to read back to find and reread Nigel's confrontation to her. Though no confrontation towards his parents from what I saw.

No, we didn't see her confrontation with his parents, cuz it was Nigel's story, not his parents'.
Yet somewhere in the comic she spoke that she had a talk with them, but they didn't listen.
People quit seeing her as Deity, cuz she makes mistakes.
She's not omnipotent, nor omnisciense, she doesn't prevent any bad thing from happening, she may fail to protect, that's why people still respect her but no longer trully listen.
And Nigel's parents are quite selfcentered pricks.

Apparently their pure desire to protect the weak gave them a spot being guardians, doesn't mean they're perfect.

Yeah, that! The pure desire to protect doesn't mean they don't think about status thing and all. They can be rude, obstinate, arrogant, but if they want to protect the weak - boom, you're a guardian now. I think Luna sees only this thing when she accepts someone into the guardians, and does not pay attention to what person can become by acquiring this status. And then people like Nigel fall victim to such a system.

Considering her nature, I don't think she can force anyone to do anything. However, I think she could have waved him through if she wanted. But that would mean that she would have made someone a Guardian that would have a flaw that can be exploited.

Making someone a Guardian, that becomes one just to be praised.
Not much of a Guardian he'd be.
And as someone suggested to "take Nigel under her wing" after parents abandoned him - he'd need to be willing to accept her help.
Accept ANYTHING from her, but he wouldn't, cuz he's arrogant and ignorant to anything but himself.

And once again, she doesn't owe anyone anything.
Nigel had amazing life, he could become anyone he ever wanted, if he could just think for a moment with his own head.
But then again, we're speaking about "what if" situations, when there's one present right now.

How she can tell him about "one last thing" which means "free will", when the whole guardian topic come from continuity and preparation since childhood? It's just about "You must become a Guardian" and not "Do you want to be a guardian". Of course a child perceives this as the only possible option in their world, without asking any special questions, and Nigel was just like that. She doesn't understand her own system, as I can say.

So, basically, you're blaming her for not being a psychologist and using word games to get people to the conclusions she wants them to? Not trying to sound snippy, but it's the way I'm interpreting what you're saying. Just wanting a bit of clarification.

No, I'm telling about the whole system itself. For example, remember Nigel's father? Since childhood, he has put the boy in such a position that he must become a guardian to be proud of him, as if this is the most important thing for the people of their world, and if you are not worthy, then this is a tragedy (and I'm sure it's not just about Nigel's parents). In my opinion, Luna should redo the guardian structure, maybe make it less elevated in the public understanding. I mean, he was just a kid, it's not about his selfish motivations, it's about how he was raised.

How is she supposed to change the public's opinion of guardians? That would be like asking some random joe to change the public's hero worship of military personnel. There's always going to be an elevated status for those who defend civilians. To make matters harder, guardians aren't just soldiers, are they, they're disaster relief, fire fighters, coastguard, police, and so many others. God or not, she'd have an easier time herding a million cats with her bare hands.

You're trying to shoehorn in a reason for it to be Luna's fault instead of blaming the people who deserve the blame. Nigel's parents abuse their kid and it's the system's fault, somehow. Do his parent's not have any personal agency? She warned them against the path they chose and they followed it anyway, of their own free will, for their own selfish reasons. No one made them choose that path, they did it on their own, against Luna's warning.

Choosing to put your life on the line, for provably selfless reasons, should come with a certain amount of Status, Goodwill, Trust, and Glory from the public. Guardian's sacrifice shouldn't be diminished simply because a couple selfish a-holes decide to abuse the system for their own gain.

And yes, I do have some measure of personal experience with a parent or parents tying their love to some achievement they want you to achieve. It's never for your sake, it's always for their own ego and selfish pride, for the reputation among their peers, or for some self fulfillment they didn't get in their past they're trying to live for them. It's their emotional immaturity that's the issue, not the child's motivations, and not the way the system is built.

Yeah, except real life doesn't have a living god, who put such a system to peoples mind, according to which they live and raise their children. She built it, she provoked people to live by this installation. Maybe if she had invested a large sample in those who become guardians and was not guided only by the principle of "free will" about protecting others, then such a problem could have been avoided. She may be a good symbol of god, but not good god. She's actually pretty selfish herself. Mira become a guardian why? Cuz she have a good heart and want to protect people just for what it is? Or cuz she's the god's daughter and have a reason (maybe even inadvertently hammered into her head) to be a good protector, because she loves her mom very much? We'll never know, I guess. And we don't know what Luna actually saw in her, except that she's her loved child, when she accepted her into the guardians. At least, it's would be interesting to see if Luna will actually do something with her world, and not just do to the talking.

"...who put such a system to peoples mind,..."
This seems to be the problem. She didn't elevate the Guardians in people's minds like some god pushing her will on others. People have voices, opinions, and free will of their own. Her picking selfless people who have a desire to protect the weak to fight the chaos, and those selfless people sacrificing their lives to save others, elevated their status in the eyes of the people, not Luna's god magic or whatever.

Let's ask the real question. What do you expect her to do or have done?
But, Here's the rules,
1. You can't interfere with Free Will, aka, you can't force people to do what you want.
2. You can't rewrite reality. She may have made the initial starting conditions, but people made their own decisions from there, rewriting it would be rewriting people's free wills just because you don't like the decisions they made.

Everyone's saying, "Her denying him did this bad thing," but never look at what excepting him would have done. We already saw a Guardian get turned into a walking murder machine for the Chaos after doubt entered his heart. What would it have done to poor Nigel who would only be a guardian out of selfish motivations. Death, corruption, and the murder of innocence at his hands. I think one outcome is far worse than what happened to him by the denial.

Exactly that.
People always keen to put blame on someone else.
"He's just a kid, he doesn't know any better!"
But he has a head on his shoulders, he has ears, as well as his parents, but none of them listened to what she had said.

People always hear what they WANT to hear, but not what been trully said.
Then they blame other person for their own misintrrpretation.

So why did she gave the title to the guy who turned to chaos in the first place? Looks to me that everyone can be switch teams, Rah'jan showed the guardian a vision and that's enough to make him turn to chaos after many years of service as guardian. Either he was weak minded or Rah'jan had a good point and the guardians have worked for generations just to keep a lie alive, we don't know yet what the endgame is.

We don't know what Rah'jan showed the Guardian, or exactly why he swapped sides. For all we know it's a complete lie, a believable lie, but a lie non the less.
Second, Just because someone is good doesn't mean they won't make bad decisions or do bad things. Same for bad people, they can make good decisions and do good things. Just because the Guardian was selfless with a desire to protect doesn't mean he won't turn sides if the right strings are pulled. Why did Rah'jan wait until all his fellow Guardians were dead and he was physically weak from fighting? Seems like a "Join me or die" villain move to me. Giving people with that choice in front of them any reason, even a false or flimsy one is enough for people to crack. I'll reiterate. People are not all black and white, everyone is shades of grey, Luna picks certain traits that make good protectors. If she wanted soldiers she'd have picked other traits like undying loyalty and a strong sense of justice. And, we know almost nothing about what exactly Rah'jan did, it's kinda a moot point until we know more.

I think the issue is less, "Luna denying him guardian and causing his life to implode on itself", and more her complete lack of action to try and rectify, or at the very least resolve an issue that she was completely aware of, and continue to not act when she's seen first hand what her decision caused, as well as genuinely not understanding why Nigel is the way he is, despite the answer being pretty clear cut. She 100% made the choice for the right reason, but too think nothing bad would come of her decision, was incredibly naïve and ignorant of her. There was several things she could have done to aid him, but chose to leave to him own devices, and is surprised that Nigel has ended up the way he did, which leads me to believe, Luna doesn't quite understand how the mortals she lives with functions.

In a somewhat strange way, both Nigel and Luna are right, but also their line of thinking isn't exactly correct either. Nigel's negativity and his rage, is not unwarranted, but he's completely been blinded by it, playing the blame game and directing all his anger on the incorrect individual. Whereas Luna despite being an incredibly old individual, having seen a lot, experienced a lot, and lost a lot, despite all of the years of experience she has, in my honest opinion she's just way to idealistic, to the point were it's a genuine issue.

You think he'd accept her help after beaning her in the forehead with a rock? He went off on his own after a violent outburst. She could have punished him for the assault, but showed compassion and restraint. There's not much she could do at that point. Unless you're talking about before then, but I dont see much she could do with him in his parent's care.

Based off this page and her past words it's clear that she still wants him to become a guardian or to a lesser extent need him for something in the future. At this point unfortunately Nigel only wants to become a guardian because he feels that he deserves to be one to make up for all that crap that happened to him in life. Nigel has every right to be angry at the Tree, but at this point he needs to realize that he wasn't chosen to be a guardian for a reason and either work on himself to be better or move on.

Keeps saying you are better than others doesn't automatically make you better, just more annoying... Also, curious he didn't mentioned his own brother too... Do he still care, or do he still don't care?

I'm pretty sure the scarf is just an ornament and the true blessing comes with the seedling, like you absorb a part of the goddess herself.

Compassion, tolerance, balance, open-minded and true inner dream. There are the things Nigel seems to lack.

Mira is a tad arrogant

here it come the god being a fuck wight and saying the most stupid shit to ever come from her mouth just so she can feel better about her failure of not doing the right thing cos gods cant and won't take responsibility for their failures and actions

She should have let him try and learn what he needs to be a guardian. Keep him close and let him learn that way.

I wonder how his parents are doing?

But he was dedicated you daffy tree. The problem is saying 'FREE WILL' and not actually meaning 'FREE WILL' because of course.

You're forgetting tgat EVERYONE has "Free Will", so your free will ends where somebody else's starts.
She gave Nigel free will, gave him knowlege what she required of him as future Guardian, but it was met by the free will of his parents, that chose to abandon him, even after she talked to them, telling that it waa wrong.

What I'm saying - "freedom" and "free will" aren't what people usually think it is.
And it depends on freedom and free will of others.

Nigel was dedicated. To himself, and to love of his parents, he had no other values in life, nor did he care.
And he still doesn't care about anthing, but himself.

kid needs the one thing he has never been given... time sat down with someone who cares - even she does not have that to give.

telling someone they do not have free will is not the same as asking them what they would want for themselves...

Hmmm, seems that Nigel still needs to realize what HE wants...

The way he turned out kinda proved her point though.

Makes me all the more certain that something very bad is about to happen. Something that shows that, when the chips are down, Nigel is willing to defend others selflessly, even if he probably doesn't think he'd ever do that at the moment. One of those things where you don't truly know what you'll do or what you're capable of until you're actually in the situation facing it.

I’m just glad the comic is back on schedule. All the pretty colors❤️

I think I've said it before before, but I'll say it again, what Nigel had to do to be a real Guardian was to want to be one for himself, instead of being one for the purpose of being pleased, praised and/or gain approval from others, such as their parents or Luna.

Someone with a brain taking care of a child? Seriously Tree, if you knew, why the fuck did you do nothing?
Nigel may have left on his own, but his parents emotionally abandoned him the second he failed your "test". And why's the kid allowed? Why did Nigels parents become guardians considering what they've done? I think your track record with these tests is straight up shit, Tree lady

I still cannot see how the tree thought rejection was the thing to do instead of taking him under her wing and guide him

Instead, she sent him in a downward spiral of rejection, not very wise that tree.

I have question. How old is she? Is she really lived among mortals for month? Maybe she was reborn and this new life did't successed her previous experience? More i read this comics, more i understand that she somehow fenced from the whole world. Thanks, she's not Goddes of Wisdom. Maybe she became the victim of thath fact, that she was somehow idealized by her inner circle?

The sad thing is this thinking process was totally fucked as a kid as the thing he wanted was his parent admiration and then as soon as they didn't get what they wanted from him they literally abandoned him but because he was a kid he didn't know how to tell her that and just sounded like an angry little boy... not an abandoned one

I really enjoy how divided everyone on this topic. Mostly the ones that say the Tree could have done better. I say the tree tried her best. Nigel was blind to the truth as a kid, and failed to see the answer even when the tree pointed it out to him. But hey he was a kid!
Who are really to blame here is the parents for what became of him. They should have seen the text written on the wall for why their child didn't passed. They are the ones that should have sit down with him to talk this over. But no they literally abandoned him when they let him runaway.
Poor Nigel was truly lost all along.

I'm getting the feeling that the Tree isn't going to give guardianship to her daughter or Chili when the time comes. Neither of them seems to have their hearts in the right place either.

Wow! Why is a lot of people on Nigel's side? He's clearly in the wrong here. He thinks he deserves the guardianship more than anyone all because he thinks he's better than all of them. That the guardianship is owed to him. That is pretty obvious he's not worthy of being a guardian because he thinks it belongs to him. Doing it for his parents' approval. This is not the Tree's fault for not picking him nor set him down this path. If anyone is to blame it's Nigel's parents. They disowned him and he ran away because of it. And that's the reason he went down that path. But, the rest of it is all on him. He made those choices rather than try his hardest to better himself. I just don't understand why so many are ready to defend Nigel even though he's doing something wrong here.

Perhaps because many see themselves in Nigel?
That's my best guess.
No matter how much I may sympathise to his peril of being abandoned by parents, he's no way "relateable" character for me, being an annoying, selfish and spoiled brat.

Many also keen on putting a blame fully on Luna, cuz "she's a GOD! HOW COULD she make such mistakes?!", fully missing a point that been shown from the begining, that Luna is full of flaws and knows it, and is pretty much tired of all the high expectations from the regular people, but still does all she could for them.
Yet its never enough.

I feel those who bash at Luna, are very much simikar to Nigel and even his parents deep down.
Then again, what do I know?

Maybe that is the case. Perhaps the people who defend Nigel probably see themselves in Nigel somepart in their lives. Like being disowned by parents and teachers not helping them.

I do understand where Nigel comes from in perspective. Because his parents were obvious not good parents at all for just ignoring him for not becoming guardian and putting thier love and attention to his younger brother. Any kid would become like Nigel from that. All bitter and hateful. But, it's no excuse for being all so negative and bash against anyone he sees as tools of his current status. He had all the time to try to understand why and to better himself, but instead he rather blame anyone else for his troubles and not do anything because he thinks he's already worthy of being a guardian. He never blamed his parents at all even though they're the ones who put him down this path. He refuses to listen to anyone because he already made up his mind on who to blame. Which is why he'll never be a guardian. He's being a self-centered, selfish prick and only wants to become a guardian for attention from his parents and force everyone to acknowledge his worthiness.

Exactly that.
So many people think that Luna OWES him something and should've gone out of her way to make his life better.
Complitely missing the part, that Nigel is only ONE of a GROUP of core characters, not the Main one, and the fact that Luna clearly follows a solid rule of "free will" - once someone decides on something and there is no way to change their mind, she leaves them be.
Is it a "mistake" on her part?
Perhaps, and she knows of her own flaw, to some extent.

Must she "mend" Nigel's life, cuz she was "responsible" for Nigel's parents disovning him?
No, she owes him nothing.
Life owes nothing to nobody, she gives us lessons, wether we can understand them at the moment or not, and then Life moves on.

I see Luna as a perfect representation of Life itself.
It may be nonsesical, unfair, wrong and even cruel at times, to some people, but in the end, it's decidions and actions of the person itself, and prople around said person, what makes our Life the way it is.

In case of Luna it just has phisical manifestation and being so passive, but compassionate, she's easier to put a blame on.

Whole heartly agree. It seems now in days people think it's simple to just tell the person or go over and do something. It's not that simple. Because that's life. Life isn't simple. Every choice has consequences. Whether it's right or wrong, all choices have consequences.

Reminds me of the episode on The Good Life. Where Ted Danza tried to explain the angel that people will never be "good enough" for the Good Place. He uses an example of simply picking a tomato. If you pick that paticular tomato, that means you support polution and things that are killing the planet and animals. There's no such thing as a perfect simple choice.

Indeed, even Goddess of Life itself isn't perfect.
She's not that Omnipotent, Allseeing, Allperceiving Deity that makes everyone's life better.
As far as I know, there's NONE such Deity in any story, most gods are either tyrants, assholes or ignorant at best.
Luna at least tries to help people, but she's not perfect, no-one is.

And right now what we see - people in the comment section act just as her followers do in the story - they expect from her something that they're themselves are not capable of, just because "she's god!"
She tries to show them the way, but does anybody ever listen?
She's tired of all the expectations and acusations that comes despite her best efforts.

Honestly, if I was in her place, I'd turn into Rah'Jan...

The reason why a lot of people are upset with Luna and siding with Nigel isn't the fact they think Nigel deserves to be a Guardian, but because Luna withheld the information on why he couldn't become a Guardian, allowed his parents to disown their one son, and did nothing to help him when he grew up being resentful, hateful, and angry.

Was he perfect as a kid? No, but I don't see how the others are any better. The two girls are constantly belittling and bullying their own comrades and the parents got to keep their good reputation despite being selfish and awful as parents. Personally Luna is very much in the wrong for failing to realize common sense and EVEN NOW she is still not telling him the one thing he lacks. Personally I really dislike Luna, she is not a good character.

If the author intentionally made her unlikable, then good job because I think she's flawed to the point of absurdity. The author does a great job with other characters and I definitely love the big shark guy and his hyena companion, but Luna definitely needs to be given a reality check on common sense among all things.

I'm sorry, but I'm gonna have to disagree with you here. The Tree/Luna is not at fault here. You're acting like this whole thing could've been avoided if she just told him what he lacks and therefore he gets back on the good path and everything will be all better. It's not that simple. Because even if she told him what it is exactly, I doubt he'll believe her and his parents will still neglect him no matter what because he failed his first attempt. To them, if he failed his first attempt they'll think he'll always be a failure. Failure is not an option to them. She can't just tell him what it is. It's like teachers giving students the answers to the questions on the test because they hope it'll help them learn. That's not how teaching works. You want your students to learn on their own. You can give hints, lecture, etc and hopefully they'll learn enough to know what the answers are. That's what Luna is trying to do. All she can do is advice and guide. She can't just take things in her own matter. Because that's life. Life isn't simple. Life is complicated.

Nigel here is still in the wrong. He choose to break into the tree, he choose to steal a guardian seal, he choose to do this. No one forced him. Even though all of this is clearly his parents' fault for not giving him the support he needs after failing one test. But, the rest of his life is clearly on him. Instead of blaming his parents and taking responsibility for his actions. He blames others and goes on this path of selfishness and theivery. Yes, he was just a kid. But, he did choose to blame others for his first attempt failure rather than trying to find what it was that failed him the first time.

While I do agree that none of the other characters are perfect either. That what makes them all unique. They're all relatable. They all have flaws. There's no such thing as a perfect character. Otherwise we'll be having a bunch of Mary Sues. Luna herself knows she's flawed because she can't just solve every problem there is. She wants everyone to fend and think for themselves. How can people learn if they don't think for themselves? That's what free will is. If no one has free will, then there's no freedom.

I wish she would have adopted Nigel long ago. She had to know how his parents treated him after the rejection, right? He could have thrived under her guidance. :(

To adopt him, he should've wanted that.
From what I remember, he hated her from the start, after his parents learned that he failed and abandoned him immediately, he put a blame on Luba and didn't want to have any buisness with her, else to make her suffer.
You think that offering him adoption would've helped?

Mira had no choice in the matter and is special case, Chilli went willingly.
Luna respects free will above all else.

Note how he doesn't insult Toby there

"It breaks my heart to see that only anger and grievance drive you still..."

She's so lame. If you wanted him to have "free will", then why not just make him a guardian and then continue to train him? Because how do you expect a child to develop free will on their own when they've been raised from the moment they're born to take on a role? Even more, how do you expect a child to understand being told "you're not good enough" or "you're missing something" and for them to figure out it's "free will"? It's a concept that a child certainly won't understand.

Besides, what's so great about the free will that led to Chili almost killing an old man because she wanted to help? You're telling me that having the free will to help others yet the ignorance to hurt them in the process makes you guardian potential?

Luna is absurd and has ridiculous expectations for children. I'm looking forward to the guardians getting rekt.

The sad thing is, a lot of this could have been avoided with simple communication, basic listening skills and common sense.

1. The goddess, though her intentions were good and her reasoning is understandable, failed to understand that something as abstract and complex as the idea as 'free will' is not something a young Nigel would fully understand at that age. Children at that age understand, want and choice sure but not the idea of free will as they rely heavily on guidance of the older generation.
2. the parent's failed heavily because they let the idea of tradition and prestige control their choices and were quick to decide Nigel failed after they groomed him. they saw him more as a tool and means of future statues then as a child.
3. neither the parents or goddess took the time to properly sit down and explain with Nigel why he didn't become a guardian in a means he could have understood at the time. nor have they properly reinforced that he didn't so much fail as it was more that he just wasn't ready yet. and even if the young Nigel didn't understand after the first explanation then they should try another way until he did.
4. since no one properly spoke with nor really tried to, Nigel became absorbed in a downward spiral where instead of being a guardian was a goal for him or something to aspire to, they became a symbol mockery and obsession to an unhealthy level especial with how hard he worked. turning everything he worked so tirelessly for into a cruel joke, especially when he sees people who got the position but not put in the same level of effort he did.
5. then there is Nigel, he is letting his rage consume him. he wants to prove himself but keep focus on the wrong things nor does he want to self reflect because, odds are fair, that he wouldn't like what he would see if he did. instead he lashes out and expresses his frustrations in ways that wouldn't build himself up. had he asked for help, he might be in a different position then he is now.
6. most damning of all though, no one seems to try and understand the source of one another's frustrations. 'free will' is good sure. but with free will of choice comes consequences with those choices. she chose to leave Nigel as he was when he ran away instead trying to help him in a time need either directly or indirectly. his parents chose to abandon him instead and see him not as a child but a tool. Nigel chose to let his hate and frustration consume him even when he got old and his perspectives expanded and his understanding sharpened. all of this makes for a perfect storm that could make someone become a monster or them turning to the wrong person that would give the recognition and approval instead of the people who 'want the best for you'.

sooooo, no. in my eyes, they all bare some guilt in the events that have lead up to now.

Pretty nicr summary.
There is no way to put a blame on solely one person - everyone is to blame in what happened.

It makes me wonder - maybe that's exactly what Rah'Jan shown to the Ex-Guardian to turn him into his general?
A few moments where Luna gave a choice of "free will", expecting people to make the right choice and leaving them be, even if they chose poorly, which led to birth of Chaos itself.
And because the Chaos was her own making in some form, it is so hard to beat.

I'm sorry, but the Goddess is very much at blame here.

Once his parents abandoned their son and dropped him like he meant nothing, she should have punished them since they were not being good Guardians, with selfishness in their hearts. The fact she acknowledges that this drove him further down the path and still acting like "Oh you COULD have became a Guardian you just lacked the one thing ..!"

Thanks, but because of you not telling him it ruined his life. Nigel is better off joining chaos I hate characters like the Goddess.

They weren't Guardians at this points no more, if I recall right.
They were retired and raising the new gemeration of Guardians.
She did try to scold them and asked them not to punish Nigel, but they didn't listen.

Furthermore, it is not in her nature to "punish" someone, she's not that type of person, if that wasn't obvious so far in the story.
Nor does she MAKES someone do what she want them to do.

And if you go back to the page, where she talked with Nigel first time, she DID tell him what he lacks, but Nigel refused to believe or listen, he chose to blame Luna for not accepting him right away, and for his parents abandoning him because of ONE failure.

Luna is not perfect, but Nigel and his parents are also to blame in said situation.
And that's what makes this story so great - no-one's perfect.
It's Life.

Nigels heart has a good true north it is just doesn't have the piece to point it where it needs to be. its not hit fault either

I do still wonder if she knows about Nigel being disowned by his own parents when she didn't make him a guardian.

She knows, it has been told in the comic, that she confronted to them against their behavior, but they didn't listen.

I recall reaing that, but I also recall understanding that the behavior she was reffering to was their uppity attitude, an not about them disowning Nigel. What page was this?

Sadly, I couldn't find where exactly did I read about it.
It was quite briefly mentioned..

Will there be a ref sheet of Luna? Or is it already made?

https://www.furaffinity.net/view/34629081/

She's such a spiteful and evil character when you get down to brass tacks, she acts like she's an elemental force of nature yet she constantly does do things when it suits her own whims like take on an adopted daughter but then neglects to be a helpful hand to him long before and even after his parents perished

She never seeks to fix her mistakes yet has no qualms about pushing her own wishes/agenda on others. It's one thing to claim to be "All loving mother" and another to actually be one. Years and years of "Hands off" nature has done nothing but hurt him when she was clearly at fault of it all

If anything it just seems like she is torturing him out of spite to pretend that she is impartial when she's the one that's really dead inside

Just my two cents on a long time reader of this, just every time I see her all I see is malice and ineptitude wrapped in a disguise of love

I'd keep the Superman Paradox in mind when further writing this character if you don't really intend for her to be this cold/malice filled. The Superman Paradox is "When you have a character that can literally save anybody at any time how do you not just stop him from saving everyone" is by instead of having him be a character that saves all directly, he is the one that saves all indirectly

He won't fight wars for people because otherwise they won't learn to stop fighting wars. But he will punch that asteroid out of the sky that will kill everyone at once because nobody would learn nothing through them all perishing

You need to plot a path for this character, she needs to either be a force of nature IE - something that exists because it needs to exist (Life/Death/Hope etc) that can't play favorites, a character that is emotionless and it neither good or evil but is directed towards their "Purpose" or just an actual character with their own wants and needs, because for some reason you keep juggling 2 and 3 and it just makes her seem outright evil

I've said it before in a post way back that she has every means to correct all her mistakes yet she refuses to because she tries to pass off her mistakes as "Nature" when it's anything but. It's her mistakes and lapse of judgements that is hurting people and she never corrects it. It's like everyone worships an 8 year old child because they make the grass grow

https://www.furaffinity.net/view/42.....#cid:157065595 Waspz and my comment under it two years ago

She claims to see "Into peoples hearts" but the fact his parents abandoned him and then were allowed to continue being guardians under her despite this shows her to be incredibly evil/callous/truly disinterested in peoples pain or correcting her mistakes in a way that doesn't involve pain. One cannot claim to be impartial yet can claim to see the future, and if she can see the future with visions as she claims she openly let Nigel suffer just to protect her in the future. If anything that just makes her more evil. She can't pretend to be Chaotic Neutral when she readily does things for her own enjoyment/protection

No offense but I see just nothing but evil in her, she'd do anything to protect her own adopted daughter yet she acts to everyone else in the world that if she saw people about to throw a burning child in a fire she'd go "Meh well I shouldn't interfere because I'm not supposed to get involved because people choose" etc

Again, she can't be both an impartial force of nature and also a character with motivations, because otherwise you just write a character that is a sociopath

Worse is that later on she acknowledged that his parents had become what they had become, and yet she still let them be guardians despite not being guardians material. If anything this shows her standards are abysmally low and that him not being a guardian makes no sense when his parents were allowed to continue being guardians long after she saw how they treated him

When the"good guys"require all kinds of nebulous bullshit and pure hearts etc. The Evil side meanwhile just sweeps up and takes with it all the hopefuls who were turned down by the other because they weren't perfect little specimens of purity and goodness

if only she could see the suffering he went through when he was disowned by his demonic parents..

To DOOMTHEDEMONKING the fuck wit, Solus-the-lone-wolf, who can't think right, Mrkitepoot, who doesn't know how this works, Freebird, who is so lame and getting rekt every day, and Aticston the atrocious: You guys are such schmucks.