Shouldn't Luna give Nigel back his eyesight?

Should Daredevil have gotten his back? There's a huge list of characters that can't see, but have superpowers or magic or something that makes them have a tremendous value to the story.

Sight isn't everything. That's the entire point of the lesson she's teaching Nigel. I don't know what Zummeng has planned in this regard, but its not hard to make guesses, right or wrong.

This isn't sympathetic on my opinion of luna. Intentionally crippling someone to teach them a lesson, when you're partially the reason they're like that doesn't do you any favors. he has every right to be pissed, but I do understand he shouldn't lash out at every single person. that's one of the reasons I can't stand gods in stories who effectively ruin people's lives and then force them to go through character development when it's their fault they're like that.

That's the idea. Its for character development. Its not usually a super nice thing done to a character, that has character development occur. Matt Murdock losing his eyesight wasn't super nice for him either, and Stick, his mentor, was an asshole to him. He turned into a really, really good hero with a great moral code who was a pretty awesome guy. Sometimes, people really need a kick in the ass, and need tough love in stories to get them uncomfortable enough to leave home and go on the Hero's Journey. Its an anomaly to see a hero that's got a happy life pick up and go on a journey, not a rule.

Same exact thing here.

But that's the thing. when it's a god who interferes In mortal lives, they basically treat them like chess pieces in a giant game of good verses evil. or they mess with them just to be dicks. nigel circumstances is the fault of both his parents and Luna. sometimes the terrible circumstance isn't even necessary for character development for someone to grow. And there's a 50/50 chance that they could even push them to the opposing side.

Getting real sick of people blaming Luna. One the list of people to blame for Nigel's problems she ranks dead last. Nigel's parents are the biggest source of the problem, having pushed him so hard to become a guardian, but never considered letting him develop as his own person. And although they are to blame for his initial position; he's an adult now he can now make his own decisions. And every time he chose to be bitter about it instead of reflecting on himself. That instead of trying to as Luna asked him, figure out WHY he wanted to be knight to envy everyone else who got it. His bad behaviour was even starting to escalate with his frustrations with his attempt to disrupt the knighting ceremony.
Luna turned him down for a very good reason. Had he become a Guardian he either would've abused the power, or simply quit to something else, as he clearly wasn't it to help people. She told him exactly what he needed to do. He needed to reflect on his choices. Now between his origin story and now we have no idea how many times Nigel talked to the Luna, but it seems he approached her multiple times afterwards, and I can't help but conclude she kept telling him the answer he didn't want to hear: that he wasn't ready to be a Guardian until he sorted himself out, but he couldn't get past the fact someone told him "No" once in his life.
Blinding him is extreme, but I suspect that with her limited ability of foresight she was able to see that had she not he would at best become a repeat offender. Constantly committing petty crimes out of hatred towards Luna and those that she deemed worthy. At worst he would get himself killed.

Texts like these make me get back at the assumption of being bad at questioning peoples motives. Be it real or within fiction.

Spin it however you want. she and his parents are the source of his problem. they were too demanding and then neglectful, and she was vague as hell and didn't dig into the root of the problem until it was too late for him to see reason. his parents abandoning him, and her leaving him to his own devices. he had no pillar of support to sort out his issues so they were left to fester. self reflection can't happen if no one's around to help him see his problem. and before you say he should have realized them himself, could he really? with everything that happened to him do you think he would have the capacity to self reflect at that point? He would more than likely be self-loathing and then project that hatred outwards. Which he has, because he had no proper guidance.

Stop with his parents. Luna told him to think about and to return with an answer next year.
His parents practically abandoned him on the spot and (if I remember that right) even ignored Luna when she talked to them about it.

Why would any of that be Luna's responsibility though
She didn't demand Nigel become her guardian nor punished him for not meeting her expectations, his parents did. She isn't his mother, nor his tutor, nor was she responsible of him at any point in the story. Also, there's very clearly a BUNCH of people that became guardians without her telling them what they needed, so why is it fair that Nigel demands she tells him??? All that she said was that he was lacking something and it made him unfit for her criteria, but he had plenty of example in all the previous generations of guardians, so it's not like the answer wasn't out there for him to seek...
Also, the root of the problem? It is explicitly stated in the comic that she talked, multiple times, not only to Nigel's parents, but previous generations of that family, to stop pushing the idea that the only thing of worth was to become a guardian of the Tree, what more "to the root of the problem" is there than that???
His own younger brother could see the bullshit and stepped away, and became a guardian on his own, presumably WITHOUT Luna telling him what was needed.
And then she told Nigel, in his face, clear, simple as day, what he needed. And he spat on that. It wasn't even to have great cosmic powers, all she asks is that guardians have the empathy and compasion to want to protect other people. That's it. What a outrageous demand I guess ( and BOY does that speak volumes about Nigel's character)
Why is this comment section always full of people trying to shift the most posssible blame on Luna? The only thing she did was tell him no, the punishment, neglect and abandonement came from his parents, and the rest he did to himself.

(except the blindness, I think that's fucked up and not justtificable. I guess after telling Nigel outright and him still not getting it she thought he needed to learn empathy the hard way, but that does not make it ok. It still doens't mean she is at fault for all the other shit)

Spin that yarn all day. she saw there was a problem with their family and didn't stop it when she had the power to. her negligence to permanently stop them led to generations of their mental issues with how they do things. and it coalesced into what happens now with nigel. I'm nowhere near saying he's not at fault. but his situation could have been stopped generations ago if she told them to with actual authority. She's way too passive and a lot of this could have been avoided but here we are. both in the battle between light and darkness and in people's lives, she's wishy-washy.

I think someone is spinning the yarn Is you, Luna's actions may not be favorable but it was Nigel's parents negligence to accept him due of the fact that not only he couldn't be a guardian, but he had a kid sibling and even went as far being a total monsters of ignoring his existence entirely and even kicked him out of the house. All her attention was to help him see within himself he can see the light within him (even though I questioned of that stunt of hers) so maybe stop being harsh on her and see more of his actions?

I saw his actions. and they are the cause of his actions.

Nigel's a grown man at this point in the story. His parents drove him to accept nothing but success. Luna told him 'not today, but try again next year!', not a straight up never, just work on your attitude a bit.
He's the one making all the choices that keep him spiralling down. He recognises what his parents did was unhealthy, but he simply can't get past that someone told him "No".

He has the capacity to look within himself and sort himself out, but continues blaming others instead. That's why Luna kept telling him exactly what he needed, but he never took it too heart, as once again: He can't stand being told "no".

I don't know where you're getting the whole being told no part as the thing he can't stand. All he needed was support and he would have been fine, or at least on the right track. but he was left to deal with his feelings on his own. and with no positive reinforcement other than the vague answers of Luna. he spiraled into self-loathing and hatred for the world around him.

Oh like Miralle.

I want to see Miralle go through some character development too. Specifically a lot of tough love and bad times.

Well there's a big difference between Nigel and Daredevil, if your making that comparison between them.
Daredevil lost his sight due an accident when he was a child, was taught how to survive without it for years, in addition to being able to utilize his other abilities that he had, to where his lose of sight became more of an inconvenience, rather than a something that would cripple him, and most importantly despite his issues, he had people to support him, and become a generally decent person.

Nigel in comparison, didn't lose his sight by accident, it was literally taken away from him by Luna by force, he has absolutely no idea how to survive without his sight, as he's essentially lived his entire life up until this point with it, he's had no emotional support to deal with his mental issues for years, no friends, has basically taught himself how to survive through theft, and to top it all of, the years worth of negative elements in regards to his life, has turned him into a bitter, spiteful, and envious individual, with next too no redeeming qualities.

Not only that, from I understand, Luna didn't take Nigel's sight away to teach him sight isn't everything. She stripped him of his sight, because he literally blames everything, and everyone that he sees as the source of all his problems, and was essentially incapable of self reflection. Luna is in a sense forcing Nigel to self reflect on his actions, and himself, by removing his ability to blame those that he sees. If there was a lesson here, I would assume that Nigel needs to take accountability of his own actions, to stop living in the past, and actually learn from his mistakes instead of digging himself into a deeper whole.

Is this right way to go about it? Probably not. Will this have ramifications in the future? We'll just have to wait and see.

Comparisons can be made by things that are similar and not exactly the same.

Otherwise, yes, I agree totally.

The comparison you're making between Nigel and Daredevil isn't particularly a understandable comparison, because they're so radically different from one another, with next to no similarties whatsoever. To make those kinds of comparisons, to where the characters are foils to one another, it would be like you're looking into a mirror. Yes they're not the same, but everything about them, from their upbringing, the things they've went through, their motives, their circumstances etc...would be very similar.

From what I can observe, you only compared Nigel to Daredevil because he's now blind, and has some kind of power, not because they're similar characters that are foils to one another. I may very well be wrong, but that's what I gathered. If we went with that logic, you could say Nigel is similar to Arya Stark when she was blinded, or Roy Mustang when he was blinded, or Ignis when he lost sight, or Toph who was born without sight etc...of course people don't make those comparisons because other than being blind, they have nothing in common with Nigel, or even each other.

If you want a good comparison, that's been brought up several times by people reading the story, it's Nigel's similarities to Tai Lung from Kung Fu Panda, because from what we know about him up until this point, people can see the comparisons between them, in regards to how they turned out the way they did, while also seeing the differences.

Is Tai Lung blind? I don't see that on his wiki entry.

See, the thing with comparisons, is you do not have to compare two things that are even close to exactly the same.

When Murdock was blinded, he was a child, just as Nigel is now. He didn't have any prior skills, he didn't have any additional friends beyond family, he didn't even really have a mentor, the only serious, significant difference, is that the chemical gave him super sensitive hearing. The only difference that's really important at those points in the story, was that Matt had a superpower, and Nigel, as of yet, does not.

You can't have a character from a different franchise be a foil from one from a webcomic, that's absurd, I've taken over a dozen different classical writing theory classes, never heard that in my entire life. Foils must exist within the same story.

Arya Stark also had; sword training from Syrio Forel, experience with the Hound, actual fighting experience, and basic training as a Faceless Man from Jaqen. She had a massive, massive number of advantages that Nigel does not, a massive amount more name power than he does, since Nigel isn't from a well known established noble family that's that recognizable, so this is an even less apt comparison than mine was.

I notice you didn't mention a single similarity or difference, but couldn't see mine either, I don't really see your point.

The point I'm making, put simply, is that Nigel being blind doesn't mean he's suddenly comparable to Daredevil, or other blind characters, especially when they're not comparable to one another, or have anything remotely similar, other than just being blind.

I didn't compare Nigel to Arya Stark, I simply brought up her up and the others as an example to explain the flaw, when I was saying by using your logic of comparing Nigel to Daredevil just cause he's now blind, then people would compare him to those characters too, but don't because they're not comparable to one another. You misinterpreted what I said.

I brought up Tai Lung, because he's an example of a character that people have compared Nigel to, because of their similar backgrounds/experiences, and how it effected them. Blindness had nothing to do with the comparison. Tai Lung is not blind, or was ever blind.

And if you want the comparisons and differences between Tai Lung and Nigel, that have been brought up by others:

Comparisons:
Both characters went through rigorous training in their youth by their parental figures/parents to achieve a title.

Both characters during their training were always told how amazing they were, and they were destined to be said title.

Both characters mental issues were never addressed, and left to fester for years.

Both characters basically had everything going for them before their downfall.

Both characters parental figures/parents are the reasons why they turned out the way they did.

Both characters lives went downhill after being rejected by someone of a position of authority.

Both characters were told the answer to what they were missing, but refused to acknowledge it.

Both characters tried to take the title they felt they were entitled to by force, and both were stopped by the person who denied them title.

Both characters got what they wanted, but not in the way they had intended.

Both characters failed to look within themselves to address the problems that regarded them.

Differences:
When Tai Lung reached maturity, he had excelled in what he was trained for, whereas Nigel stagnated and become a shadow of what he could have been.

Tai Lung lashed out when he was denied the dragon scroll and Shifu did nothing to defend him, whereas Nigel lashed out when his parents ostracized him for his failure, and began to shower Toby with the love and affection he once had.

Shifu's love for Tai Lung was genuine, whereas Nigel's parents love for him was conditional.

Shifu's love for Tai Lung blinded him to what he was becoming when he was training him, whereas Nigel's parents were informed he would develop differently, but they ignored Luna's advice out of stubbornness and pride.

Both characters are arrogant and entitled because of their upbringing, but Tai Lung can back up his claims, whereas Nigel can't.

Tai Lungs parental figure is still alive, whereas Nigel's parents are dead.

Since you mentioned similarities/differences between Nigel and Daredevil, which
genuinely I cannot see for them to be compared to one another, would you like to point them out.

Okay, please stop responding to me, I'm quite thoroughly done since you ignore literally everything I've said.

I'm honestly just not sure what your saying here.
I'm probably missing something, but yeah I just don't see what your trying to say, cause I can't see the comparison between the characters, for the them to compared to one another, despite what you've brought up.
But fair enough, we can end it here. I have no problem with that.

daredevil didnt have his eyesight taken away by a magical being

Its to draw a comparison.

but daredevil has had alot more experience with being blind than nigel has

Not when he was blinded as a child, he didn't.

but he wasnt dare devil as a child

Just like Nigel isn't a good Guardian right now, but will probably become one of the absolute best of the new ones.

Its almost like I understand how to make a good analogy, huh?

almost, but not quite

I think she already did if i'm not wrong.

It's possible that Nigel's blindness will be the only thing protecting him from the Chaos's "visions."

I'm wondering how Lud is feeling.

He spent his entire life training for this moment and, from his perspective, his knighting was a complete clustertruck, and he's been saddled with the most inept companions possible (in his eyes).

*Leo.

I am a dumb.

Not just inept as a whole, but two of them being criminals at that as well. He is probably not having a good time dealing with this one. Wouldnt be surprised if we pan to him next page and its a trashed room with clawmarks on the walls from rage or something.

There's something incredibly entertaining about how the audience in attendance were like “this is outrageous, what could the Tree possibly be thinking? Later In response, The Knights are also like, "What the heck? You mean that's it?! What's the Tree thinking?”.

I'm surprised Nigel hasn't said more, then again I'm expecting in the next pages, he's going to hav e many words to say the others. Leo looks humilated and just about ready to explode, Miralle and chilli look like they're still trying to process what happened, and Tristan looks like he's still trying to comprehend the reality of what he's now part of, he's staring in the deepest depths of the sash he's holding.

Nigel and Leo gonna bump heads together soon, bet there is a "what you gonna hit a blind guy now?" szene

Honestly I wouldn't put it above Leo for him to something like that lol, after everything that's happened he certainly wouldn't have a high opinion of Nigel or have any respect for him. I can totally see him being physical with Nigel, despite him being blinded.

Clench..... Love it. Leo doesn't need words to express his feelings.

Okay, this start is more confusing

That feel when you want something your whole life, and when you finally get it you don't know what to do with it or how to feel about it.

We've all been there.

Two angry and three confused ones
Full House

Well, i can see that Mira prefers her informations with little more "info". XD

Tristan is STILL just looking at his scarf.

Scarf, sash, belt?

I think like the Survivor headbands that they're versatile and can be worn many ways!

Elect Alexandre, the God of the Water as a Knight? ... I'm really curious to know what could lead to such a move. What kind of story element will it represent?...

But, above all, how are they going to end up with Lily, a little girl? And No, demi-goddess is not enough, she still a child!

Nah not the Good of Water but his daughter

That one. They have two.
So, who will be the second additional Knight? Almost all the cast are present, except the Water God and he daughter. That's why I think Alex can be receive the second medal, but for a twited and obscur plot/screenplay/character development we can know right now.
A random idea: Alex has lost faith in he fight against chaos. He hasn't abandoned to him, but no longer has the moral strength to go on, too many deaths. Obtaining this medal could symbolize he return to the fight.

Well if Nigel couldn't enjoy his knighting I'm glad no one else got to enjoy theirs.

Still hope Nigel gets the best ending, and I hope Miralle and Luna suffer soon.

Why should they suffer?

I hVe complete confidence in them.

so long! have fun getting killed! don't stay out too late!

"Good luck storming the castle!"

"Welcome Brave Knights to Camelot!"
insert silly song and dance routine
"On second thought, lets not go to Camelot. Tis a silly place!"

She doesn't intend to restore Nigel's sight!?

Given the condition he was given the blindness, I bet he's either able to see while blind, or will be able to restore it himself, as soon as he learns "seeing what's beside himself".

It was his true friend all along... say hello Bozo the Horsefly and Jerry the Flea! Other knights and kinship with them? Nah, Bozo is the real hero of the story. Jerry everyone just hates.

Regardless that the new Knights have a lot to process due to their respective nominations, it looks like Miralle was the first to take the first step towards maturity, so to speak; I already want to know how this goes on.

Can someone get a leash for Nigel and a muzzle while you're at it?

Given that he's blind?
Just a gag would be enough. x3

(Panel 5) Yeah, this is gonna go swimmingly...

And then over her shoulder Tree of Life says. "Oh! And Chili is in charge!" And absolute complete panic ensues.

I think it was already established that Mira is the leader.
It's already enough to ensue some panic, given how empulsive she is.

True. :3 Was just picturing the look on Chili's face if she were put in charge.

I bet she won't be alone in her shock. x3

Definitely not. ;3

and inexperienced, and spoiled

Yeah, that too. XD

"Who are you, where am I, what the F is going on?!"
Is a pretty spot on reaction to all that happened a few recent pages. XD

Now go figure out how to Guardian your way in this world.
Congrats btw. :P

Isn't it just like a god to do things like this? Always wondered why they can't at least sometimes prepare people for the trials ahead instead of 'let's just dump people in the blender and see what happens.'

That's always the problem with deities, isn't it? They always range between being puppeteers and 'hey, it's called free will for a reason'. Luna is more on the 'free will' side and gives a little advice. If you follow it or not, it's your choice.

So she raises two girls to want to be guardians, then just drops them into a situation where they get what they hoped for, but in a way so abnormal even they feel like something is horribly wrong, and their only option is to either do as she says as best they can or... what?

Abandon all the work and effort they put in all their lives to get to where they are and walk away?

Imagine going through four to six years of college and at graduation being given the choice of taking the diploma and doing something that sounded and seemed completely insane, or just going home and forgetting about it all. That doesn't feel like much of a choice, does it?

I get the idea of her giving them a task and letting them go about it however they wish. I get handing them the two other knight belts and letting them decide who should get them. That's pretty free will if you ask me. But why not gird them up a bit more with supplies, proper weaponry, a cart, horses or most of all, some tiny inkling of what it is she has seen or is planning, so they're not looking at her and wondering if the centuries and stress have finally driven her a little loopy?

The level of... distraction? Lack of focus? ...she's giving off comes across a lot less like 'wisdom of the centuries' and more like 'grandma's struggling with her alzheimers/dementia again.'

Oh! This going to be more fun then I thought!

Even Leo's faith seem to be put to test here... We'll see how things would go.

Wow! One or maybe two additional knights along the way. The plot twists abound, and now the game is afoot!

I think this is what happens when you skip the tutorial. That second to last panel is so good at highlighting their differences without having all of them say something.

So now she can see the future all of a sudden? Where was this ability when she rejected Nigel? Or adopted Mira? Or when the gods started dying off?

Miralle is like a dog that chases cars and finally catches one; now that she has it, she doesnt know what to do with it. ;P

I feel that the only one who needs this task is Leo. The rest want to run away or they will be a burden.

To Mr.mess13, sakuravi the well-meaning but short-sighted, chronocrosser, Dreaj1, Xurell, Solus-the-lone-wolf who lacks reading comprehension, DracosBlackwing, and N_Martyras: You guys are such schmucks.

To Solus-the-lone-wolf: My theory is that Luna's foresight works for general events and not for individuals. But since chaos has attacked the planet, her foresight isn't as good as it once was.