mmm I could see myself wearing one of those

how much would you charge?

no clue yet

cuz i'm totally interested in getting one! I LOVE RED LANTERN!!

aw, thanks :)

though my fav is still Cruelty :3 I was so happy that i got my comic from you at AC last year I was bouncing the whole day :3

OVER 9000...cents...nah it aint real metal, prolly be about $15-30

lol?

I don't think that would even cover the manufacturing costs x3 I don't know if she wants to do it and make a decent profit, or just do it for fun, by she'll want to at least break even. I don't imagine the life of an artist tends to yield a high income (well, I know it doesn't, unless you draw a black line on a White canvas and sell it for thousands...)

It drives me crazy when I see people making rediculous amounts of money doing that.

Crazy ~

I know what you mean, I'm tempted to try it myself, but it's probably who you know, like most things...

Yeah. I bet it would work though if you did something really simple but acted as if it were super deep and emotional and cool, and that if people didn't get it that you were just "too deep for them to understand ;-;".

Oh god, yeah, that's exactly what it's like, then they bullshit about how it's representative of mankind or something -__-lll

between 30-70 would probably be a good price range. not sure what the cost of making them is though so that'd bump it up obviously if it's expensive to make

for something like this, i think $30-$35 would be a fair price, though i dont have the money myself or the need for a slave collar *dom here* hehe
but i'd def say NO lower than $30. possibly up to $45 but that is alot for many people... maybe

This is like four fetishes in one.

ok, I've got to ask. . . which ones?

hell I can think of:
submission
leather
dog play
public embarrassment

someone else can take it from there :P (Wow, this really is what I'm doing with my time before midterms and spring break.)

Well, I'm no expert on fetishes, but I imagine:

Leather (I don't know if metal is, but it's probably someone's)
Submission/Dom
Master/Slave // Master/Pet
I guess...strangulation?
Probably bondage in there

I'd love to see how you make these, though. I'd love to view a step-by-step photo tutorial, or would you be sending them to someone else to make?

Can't you say the same about any leather collar?

Potentially.

Perhaps not Master/Slave, though. Most other collars would be angled towards Master/Pet.

This one is specifically a slave collar.

*nods* I see what you mean

cool

Nice design there. For a practical version, do you think it would be more useful to have the house tag cover the seam, perhaps use it as the latch? Or are you more interested in keeping the seam at the back?

we've considered that, actually. It's ultimately Lagarto's decision where the snaps will go

Depending on the price, I could probably consider getting one

Honestly, I'd have no idea how much something like this would be worth. I know that working chainmail can get really expensive, but I'm not sure about the leather, especially once you include the engraving. For something like this, I think it'd help to get an idea of how much it'll cost to produce and then consider both how much you want to make from the time and investemen, and a feeling of how much people might pay. I could see a lot of people having interest, as not only do you have a lot of people following Red Lantern (of which I'm still curious as to the link between title and story), but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of furrys enjoy wearing collars of one form or another from time to time, and a unique one with the level of personality this would have I can see having a fair bit a draw.

the 'Red Lantern District' is the area of the city in which the Crimson Divine (the brothel that owns Dhaval and Amon) is located. It's a throwout to the 'Red Light Districts' of yore, and today. As is necessary and cheesy in most stories and/or movies, the actual title will be thrown out at one point in conversation in the first comic, later on in the story.

Ah, okay, that makes a lot of sense actually.

I personally own two collars. Heck I'd wear one to work if I thought I could get away with it ^_^. I used to back when I worked at a call center too.

Why not make it in metal? Leave the seam in a sideways "Z" shape and the natural sprin of the metal will hold it in place. With wide enough leather inside it wouldn't be uncomfortable.

too expensive

If someone(yo) wanted to make a one-off for themselves, would you mind? Actually, would you perhaps help with the house design?

I think we'd really rather make 'em ourselves, if we're going to design any part of it. Not that I'm not thrilled you want to make one :) We could certainly do a custom tagged collar for you, if that's what you were looking to get.

Well, I don't really have much money, but I am surrounded by scrap metal and have amatuerish talent for metalworking. That's why I asked. I was just hoping maybe if I made one I could buy a little scan of that symbol so I had something accurate and to-scale so I could hand-engrave it.

oh, you want to use the actual symbol? Sure! Let me know whenever you do

I will. Just gotta go rip a leaf-spring out of the bottom of an old truck or something. The leatherwork will actually be more difficult than the metalwork for me.

You should look into laser engraving for the tags. You can get really intricate designs that are exactly the same on each tag.

yeah, I have someone in mind

On a side not, I'd probably pay $40-$80 for one

That would be cool. I like the leather interior since I have a skin allergy to metal :)

I'd love one of those if I lived on my own XD

I am certainly interested, if these are ever produced.

o wow... the thumbnail looked like a photo and i thot these were fer sale... darn

I'd probably get one :3

I would be interested:3 my friend wanted to get me a new colar cause my old one broke. he wanted to get me one for my birthday this month.

In some of the more extreme BDSM settings, you can find some pretty devious steel collars already, and many crafted for 24/7 wear.

But they dont have the Red Lantern House engraving on them.

BTW, do we have a detailed picture of the house logo anywhere? Forgive me if its out there, and I missed it.

not online, but I can certainly post it

If you feel comfortable in doing so, I would love to see it and its explanation in design if it has one. I also understand if you would rather not. Its in effect something you have that is a possible way to help keep you afloat and well, to keep great art, comics, and stories coming. 8-)

You have bit off a really broad storyline this time, and you deserve it IMHO.

And of course I got caught up in digging, chatting, and looking and didnt see you have already posted it 8-)

I understand the context for this design, but taken alone, it's a really nice design. Bold, elegant. I like the steel look and the leather padding. Very nice. I want one.

I wonder if it would be possible to put magnets into the latch area. o_o It would be more seamless than if you actually have to use snaps, and would still hold together pretty well. They would bave to be pretty powerful, though.. I would imagine if they weren't, a neck turn or flex would make it pop off.

Neodymium magnets would work. The most powerful magnets made out there. If you had two the size of a hockey puck for instance, and got them within a foot of each other and your finger was in the way... You might loose that finger at worst, and have it turned to pulp at best.

I got a box full of them of assorted sizes from a company that specializes in radioactive isotopes for sale. Small ones I have already manged to pinch and draw blood on a few occasions.

The only issue I saw with that, is I assumed that the more powerful the magnet, the more expensive they would be.

They are actually not that expensive as you would expect If I bought one, i would not mind paying the extra at all, rather than to have a piss poor clasp that let it pop off easily. I would be more PO'd at that than paying an extra few bucks many times over for something that would hold.

Anything I build is not only well made, but also backed by a lifetime replacement warranty for defects. You'd not have to worry about it coming apart, in any case.

My next task is to figure out the mechanism :)

It would require more tooling, but the idea of a tapped thruhole not on the surface, but on the edge tapped thru both sections where a small hex screw could be threaded is an idea. For safety, it could be a frangible plastic screw so any severe force could break it away is a major consideration there.

Or rather, a hidden plastic pin hole thats tight, but can breakaway works too. Simpler.

i like the idea of a drop in pin, for a closure, thanks for the brainstorming!

your welcome 8-) Let me know how the idea works out or does not work out.

info from a magnet seller: (not expensive, but will require some learning on my part)

General Magnet Information
We only sell Neodymium Magnets - they are currently the most powerful magnets available. All our magnets are high grade Neodymium, grade N45. They are much, much stronger than the more common Ceramic Magnets, ALNICO Magnets, or lower grade Neodymium magnets ( Grade N28, N35, N38, or N40 ). They are also more expensive.

Neodymium magnets are very powerful, much more powerful than magnets most people are familiar with and need to be handled with proper care. The magnetic fields from these magnets can affect each other from more than 12 inches away. Please note that these magnets are fragile. Even though they are coated with a tough protective nickel plating, do not allow them to snap together with their full force or they may chip, break, and possibly send small pieces of metal flying on impact. Our magnets can easily bruise fingers and the larger ones can break finger bones and even crush hands as they attempt to connect together.

Always wear protective eyewear or safety goggles when handling the magnets. Keep magnets away from any magnetic based storage devices such as desktop or laptop computers, hard drives, floppy disks, cassette tapes, VHS tapes, or credit cards. A distance of at least 12" should be kept between magnets and these items at all times. Neodymium magnets are not suitable for small children to play with.

If small magnets are ingested, they can connect together in parts of the digestive system, blocking proper operation and cause death. These magnets should only be handled under strict adult supervision.

1/2" Dia. x 1/16" thick Disc (pack of 12)
1/2" Dia x 1/16th" Thick NdFeB Disc Magnet, Grade N45, Ni Plated with Matte finish, Axially Magnetized (the top & bottom flat faces are the north & south poles).
$8.00

I suppose these small ones could be safe enough if encased in leather, so they can never "clack together" and chip/break. I've played with ceramic magnets long ago, but those were pretty safe. My concern with these is the complaints that "my collar erased my credit card stripe" or "these were unleashed upon my home and have caused much mayhem".

From wikipedia:
Precautions
Neodymium metal dust is a combustion and explosion hazard. Neodymium compounds, as with all rare earth metals, are of low to moderate toxicity; however its toxicity has not been thoroughly investigated. Neodymium dust and salts are very irritating to the eyes and mucous membranes, and moderately irritating to skin. Breathing the dust can cause lung embolisms, and accumulated exposure damages the liver. Neodymium also acts as an anticoagulant, especially when given intravenously.[7]
Neodymium magnets have been tested for medical uses such as magnetic braces and bone repair, but biocompatibility issues have prevented widespread application. Commercially available magnets made from neodymium are exceptionally strong, and can attract each other from large distances. If not handled carefully, they come together very quickly and forcefully, causing injuries. For example, there is at least one documented case of a person losing a fingertip when two magnets he was using snapped together from 50 cm away.[17]

Very good info. A major part is how big do you need them to be effective. Of course the smaller they are the less intense the magnetic field, so some testing would have to be done to find the size and shape correct for the collar size, then see from there if it would be an issue.

I erased a hotel room key with a 1cm x 1cm one I had in my pocket once, but my wallet and other "more durable" cards did ok for instance.

I'm sure if we do small ones, it shouldn't be an issue. And we can warn wearers not to put them near their credit cards

I smell waver sheets to sign if boght lol woot legality stuff :)

I love the magnet idea.

Was thinking the same exact idea. Magnets would keep the flush, no-snap/seam look as in the comic.

I love the design, the leather lining is a nice touch as well. I would totally buy one, its tough to find a metal or metal-like collar that fits around my neck.

I say just make it metal.
...with a leather alternative to appeal to casual and hardcore furries alike.

Mmm, For all those people asking about how much this might cost, making it in metal... ect ect - have a look here.
http://sm-factory.com/en/shop/110/110-020.htm
http://sm-factory.com/en/shop/110/110-090.htm

And for the more adventurous
http://sm-factory.com/en/shop/110/110-040.htm

Markup on anything in the BDSM realm is staggering, but in some cases, because of the cost of the material and crafting it, makes it high to begin with. Those are some wonderfully nice pieces though.

With the work involved whether the outer layer is metal or not, Id say a solid $50 for the craftsmanship that will be required. Also I like the idea's above from Maekip and Wet Coyote. Neodymium magnets would be a perfect clasp for the colar and a powdercoat black set of the magnets would enhance the look with a dark glossy seamless look, and would be very cost effective

I'd pay somewhere between 40 and 80 dollars for a high quality leather collar like this. I know Lagarto makes the BEST stuff, so I would definitely have no qualms about shelling out the money for it.

I actually wonder, in the base universe if a character managed to either get the collar off or remove/replace the tag to cause confusion and possibly escape, what kind of punishments would ensue.
Obviously, the amount paid for the slave would more than likely not warrant killing him/her. Also, the island nation setup would make actually escaping difficult without leaving a pretty obvious trail of carnage, and to add to that the docks are probably watched 24/7 by guards.
Furthermore, to add to the confusion, if a slave managed to somehow remove the collar and escape at least into the population would he successfully survive in the underground or would they be in on the slave trade and just bribe his/her owner to turn the slave over?

I think it would be most fun to have these as a limited edition, so instead of an open production run, they are numbered to something small, like 9 of them in total. That way they can be made with higher quality parts (like the engraved front plate and latching mechanisms), and be something more special than just a collar anyone else can buy. These can be a slave auction! Buy your slave collar for your slave (or make yourself the slave). All would be custom fit to the wearer, and  rukis gets #1 for the costume, of course.

Just my opinions, this whole idea is more for the interest it will generate in the comic, rather than to throw some leather on folk.

Very nice concept design. I look forward to see what you both come up with!

It's a really beautiful and elegant design. :) It'd be really neat if you did end up having a way to produce the design, I'd certainly be rather interested to see how they turn out!

With blood and rage of crimson red,
Ripped from a corpse so freshly dead,
Together with our hellish hate,
We'll burn you all--That is your fate!

definately interested if your going to sell a few of it *smiles*

i want one

I can cast the house tag and I can do production.

seems an interesting idea
but better be sure its the right size so it doesnt choke anyone hehe

*wants so bad*

I'd be interested. You'd probably have to have several sizes since there's such a large variety of neck
diameters. I imagine that $80 would cover fabrication costs and still leave you a little profit margin.
Some furs might think that excessive, but quality work doesn't come cheaply.

Color me interested...and not green like my avatar.

Ooh, I'd want a collar. But I won't be able to get one. :(

I hope he isn't going to solder it on his neck D: Though that would be really cool looking.

I could see them going for $50 fairly easily, especially in the art shows.

I would so volunteer to do the engraving bit if I had the time and resources to make more than one at a time.


These are very well done. I do like the idea of using stiff leather instead of metal for a sellable product, considering it's cheaper and a little easier to wear.

If I weren't living below the poverty level, I'd be happy to pay $40-75 for one of these. (Maybe by the time they're produced I won't be poor anymore, in which case, I WILL buy one!)

Things that come to mind for me:
• Sizing. This is clearly the sort of thing that needs to have a decent fit right off the bat, as there aren't any adjusting buckles or anything. You'd need a range of sizes, at least S-M-L, for this to work.
• I've never owned anything in metallic leather, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't it tend to crease and crinkle with time and use? I've seen it happen with various items my friends have, and it's not particularly attractive (IMO) and definitely breaks the illusion of metal. Or is this just the result of cheaper materials?

Also, this is more related to the comic than the potential product line, but - that metal looks awfully thick and not inclined to bend very far. How does the farrier get it onto the slave without destroying the slave's neck?

the magic of 'it's not real'

XD

I wondered.

I don't have interest in buying a collar for myself or anyone I know (and no experience in buying leather crafts), but I agree with TaoDog and think that $40 to $75 USD would be a reasonable price.

In the actual story, I've been meaning to ask, what is their purpose? Are they explosive or something? :x

Erm... I don't think so XD I haven't actually read the comic (I just don't have time to check submissions T_T), but I would imagine it's just symbolic of the place, and that they're owned.

that makes me happier x3

I'd probably pay around $40-$60 for such a collar.

if you make one out of metal with magnet or drop-in pin closure i'll pay up to $100 for one.

I would love to have one of those collars =3

Don't we do all? Though it would not be for me, but someone who i could imagine to look gret with :3

If these would be for sale I would love to get one.

Actually if you made these collars to make your pipe dream to be fulfilled, I wonder could it be possible to order online or something of the like?

Honestly, I would kill to have one.


Much less would you let us know when they do go on sail?

That's a really awesome idea! :D

I would totally buy one. As for price? 40-70 bucks is reasonable in my opinion, But it all depends on manufacturing costs.

I want one!

I would love to have one of these made in metal ^_^;;; You could always hinge it under the engraving and have a small clasp in the back. There are many metal bracelets made now in a similar manner.

Kind of like this

http://www.amazon.com/Stainless-Bra...../dp/B001HWT5KG
or
http://www.amazon.com/Stainless-Ste...../dp/B004AGR0XK

I just would LUV to have one *drools*
No matter the price, I could go 1 month without food for that :3

This would be a neat concept for sale, even would give people a reason to stop and ask, "What's w/the collar?" or "What's the concept of the flower on it?" Kind of a conversation piece to promote the comic a little to people. I know in a way I would purchase one to wear about at Con.'s and its kind of a neat memento of the Comic

D8 i want one of those collars so badly now.... i would like... never take it off unless i took a shower or went swimming... but damn i want one. those be some sexy collars.. i may get two if they ever do become an actual product. one for me and one for my mate lol. :P

Hmm, I so would like to have one of those collars. It has a cool design concept, even if it's really just a simple design. That and it really serves as a good memento of the great comic you took this collar from.

o wow i want one

As the original leather version was quite limited.. would it be possible / permitted to use this design for our own products (for a cut of the sales perhaps)?
I'm thinking of trying to do a real metal version.. a friend of mine runs a company for laser engravings and waterjet cuts, so getting the steel hoop cut is rather easy. Leather inlay - will need to commission that somewhere.
Even with rather thin stainless steel (~1/8") that collar will get quite heavy.. 1lb probably.. dunno if that's still wearable.
Damn.. the craftsman in me is running wild again.. =^.^=

Suicide collar!

See. I'd actually pay to commission that.

Reason being, two very good friends are getting married to each other who need a tangible reminder of who else is in their life. Bad bunny. Bad kitty.

anyone here still make those in real life