whats the point of a handle on the pump of a shotgun owo I can understand if it were shorter but that just looks cumbersome

I'm assuming preference.

looks more useful as a club XD
I kid I kid
but yeah, you're probably right.

most of the other shotguns have pistol grips...we figured out if you put a grip on the front, and straightarm your support arm, you can actually aim the thing and not get a busted lip.

"shoot from the hip" eh?

How ever that is a great idea; if that shotgun didn't have a butt stock owo

take out the butt stock and then it would make sense XD

M16 ACOG and a Spas 12 w/ a grip?

An m4, or an AR15 carbine. and that appears to be a Moss berg judging by the heat shield on the barrel.

a no shit army M4, and an army M500. Both taken just outside the unit armsroom.

Ok I want to know are you American or from The United Kingdom

american. Texan, if that makes a difference.

K I'm from Indiana and well I need your opinion about Obama not wanting war.....(note me)

OUT OF LEFT FIELD. POLITICS!

M500 will always seem out of place to me. we get 870's out in Florida.

I thought the army got 590A1s, not 500s. That BS requirement for metal trigger guards and all.

The 500s are for the lighter shotguns, as the testing required a combat shotgun and a secondary shotgun, sharing the same parts, that weighed below a certain amount. The 500s may have metal trigger guards, but there are 590s with plastic, too. Same thing, either way.

Huh. Either way, I prefer the plastic ones. Never heard of them failing, and anywhere you can save weight is good. Same thing with the heavy barrel on the 590A1, added weight with minimal benefit. Also would make more sense to go with a short 590 as the "secondary" shotgun. More parts in common, like the magazine tube/cap.

I've heard of a plastic trigger guard failing when someone was hunting and tripped over a log, dropped his gun in the rocks. He broke it off, where a metal one could bend and block the trigger. I believe that the plastic ones even do have a higher impact resistance than do the metal ones.

And yeah, I have a 835 that I stuck with an 18" 590 barrel. No bayo lug, but it's a good heavy barrel. Quite a handy little thing, never liked the closed magazine tube that the 500 has.

IIRC the metal ones are aluminum, and being the complex shape they are it would probably be die-cast. Can't see them justifying a forging. Can you say brittle?

I never got the whole heavy barrel on a shotgun thing. Then again, all my shotguns are heavy for other reasons (all the mossbergs are 8+1, and the short rem 11 and 870 are steel receivers) so recoil has never been a real issue except for with the heavier loads. The added thermal mass just makes it cool down slower. Either one is going to be hot enough to burn you after a quick magazine full.

True. I'd hate to have a trigger guard bend, though. Thing's out of commission at that point.

I think the heavy barrel is more to keep it from being dented or dimpled, as it's likely to be banged around a bit more than the average light sporting shotgun.

As for recoil, though, there's always the 2.5 oz 3.5" turkey loads from my Nova. That's a wee bit unpleasant, little more than just ordinary bruising from that thing.

Makes sense on all points.

Light shotguns with heavy loads are a bitch.

well... grats on the team leader spot! and rofl on the new e-5's response... some guys have no humor.

Woah.

Nice work.

*bows*

You're eccentric, to say the least!
But in a kick-ass way.
:O

6 pound rifle

9 pounds of crap attached to it
sounds about right

i woundent say that RDS is crap.

I don't mean crap as in useless, I meant crap as in 'stuff'

btw... what's an RDS?

red dot sight.

ah, the Eotech. I've heard good things about them, but I'll stick with my old fashion hard iron sights... I'm just old fashioned that way


which reminds me, I wanted to look into Tritium treating my sights... To Ebay I Go!

is das Aimpoint M4 sight, not an eotech. currently most durable sight we have.

Reminds me I need to put some mods on my AR. new striped upper receiver charging handle pistol grip etc.

Also some comments made me lol

pics or GTFO.

I have that one piscture were you... Nevermind...

I meant a picture of the new mods you are planning.

Ill get those when they come in... (saving up go to Joplin. spending a last christmas there. If my boss lets my have 23-3 off)

tell em to put that T&E where it belongs :X

fuckin joe's don't know how awesome that thing really is. made superior in truck gunnery with a broken ass 50. thanks to it

I know, right? bitches be all, "oh, Priest, you made expert again, you are so amazing, AHHHHHHH!" and swooning and shit, and I am all like, bitches, please, T&E makes everyone a crack shot. makes me sad, like mofos ignoring the red dot because they don't know it.


LEARN YOUR GUN, FUZZ-BUTTS.


rant over.

hehe will admit i had the crappiest 50 on the line.. my gun ate two bolts from what we could tell. one bolt sheered before my table 7 night shot. and our pas:13s were eating though the battery's becous our glorious armorer didnt check the batt consumption rate before we left

i give it though you learn how to spin that TNE quick during gunnery. my commander liked to call my methods "bold adjustments" i called it bracketing till it was dead since my sights didnt work. but i did pass on superior. no re-fires except for alibi runs, the few i did run again i had a damn good reason.

so....do you use bursts on single targets, or do you one-shot them?

depended when it worked right i did 2: 6rd bursts and on the kill shot i do 1:10rd burst. i would always reload during the lengthy part of driving to the next pit.

there were times though my bolt was not so cooperative and i would take a careful aim to start and kill the target on first bullet before my bolt jamed or my link feeds got stuck. (which was my fault as i attached an extra 50-75rds onto the belt and some obviously hung off the side.)

now my fastest kill wasent even up for a second and it was a night fire. they told me that if i see the target before my truck commander dose i can call all my own firing commands so long as i give all of them. i finished them before the (armor) target locked in place and my first 3 bullets went clean through it.

the guy in the tower called us and said it was the fastest he had ever seen legally done. .25 seconds before it went back down. i had that pas:13 pulling sniper shots lol

Why did you put a 22" barrel on an M4?

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going for that RECCE DMR look?

its actually me trying to make an issue M4 completely left handed. bad lever, ambi selector, ambi mag release...

because I had one, with a ten power scope already attached and zeroed. its not for long range sniping, wrong round for that. its for positive target identification BEFORE you light some guy up.

and I noticed the added weight and barrel length keeps the thing on target like a champ.

>its not for long range sniping, wrong round for that.

MK12 Users would like to have a word with you.

and the word is, "I wish I had an M110."

seriously, though, MK12 guys get better ammo. I gotta deal with the M855, not the cool stuff they get.

M110 hasn't exactly been a successful procurement.

yeah, well, not everything goes perfectly. I would point out that our additional guns are a bad procurement....we are getting M161s, M110s, and m320s as a LATERAL TRANSFER INCOUNTRY. silly, huh?

So... did you do anything to the gas tube or buffer weight combination to make up for the increased impulse?

nah. I filmed a shot of the BCG with a camera, then watched it in slow motion. No bounce, no problems. As near as I can tell, it increases accuracy, as the longer gas tube means longer time before the weapon cycles.

the entire process interested me, so I am putting a ten inch barrel on an M4 lower, and seeing if that changes things. If I get it to work, that PDW will go to one of the Husky operators.

I would think the true test would be a be a multi-hundred round break in... particularly since you're modifying a weapon that was intented to be used in combat.

So, you're telling me you replaced a 14.5" barrel and gas tube with a 22" barrel and gas tube and it runs fine on the same collapsible M4 stock and buffer combination? How many rounds did you put through it? I'm stunned they'd let you get away with that.

so am I, but lemme explain. It wasn't a barrel replacement, it was a whole seperate upper. I did run a huge test as well....after I built the upper, I built a semi-only M4 lower to practice with. after I headspaced it, (got lucky, it passed) I ran a few magazines of blanks through it.

http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6438453/

well, more like a thousand. then it got three hundred live rounds of handloads, and after that, we started on accuracy testing with winchester 62 grain m855s from midway.com. I wouldnt dare take an untested weapon to combat. hell, I even built it with army parts every place I could....matech backup sights, A2 flashhider, front sight post, even a KAC RAS rail system.


after all that, I still had to make my shot tables.... get this, at 600m the elevation holdover is 70 damn inches!

Oh I see. You built the upper, tested it on a semi lower, and now you intend to use it with an M4 burst lower when you deploy, given permission of your chain?

Ya know, typically, AR barrels are already headspaced when the barrel is pressed into the trunnion. Some people call it a breech block. Which is why you can screw an AR barrel into an AR upper and use just about any given milspec bolt and carrier without problems. People headspace afterwards just cause they're anal and used to bolt rifle builds.

1/7 twist, I take it? Also, what buffer are you using, H1?

already got permission, I mentioned it in the post I made a while back.
it was tested at NTC two months ago on the burst capable lower. I would show pictures of the upper, but its already been packed, on its way to CENSORED province.

I didn't know about the headspace thing, though. thats pretty cool. I just used a headspace gage because the bolt and the barrel came from different sources. I was just being paranoid, really. I've never had a bolt/barrel combo fail it. guess I am anal, then?

not 1/7, actually. 1/8. one of my "old as dirt, knows more about shooting than I will ever know, kicks my ass with anything from muskets to ARs" shooting buddies would use pipe clamps and sawhorses to check AR barrels, sorta like a ransom rest. he found 62 grain bullets with metal cores group better from the 1/8 barrels, so he gave me one for 100 dollars. said it was a kreger or something, and it was only because I was taking it to war.

I am not sure what H1 buffers are. I just found a buffer that matched the M4 buffer length, then set both on a reloading scale; they weighed the same, but it maxed out the scale, so I don;t know exactly how much it weighs.

Recent M4 carbines all come with "H1" buffers. Which means they have a single tungsten weight in the buffer. There are H2, H3 and old carbine buffers. The H2 has 2 weights...etc. The old carbine buffers were much lighter and allowed for "faster" reciprocation and increased bolt battery. The H1 buffers were chosen by Colt to enhance reliability.

So, I take it your 1/8 twist barrel, being a Krieger, is not chrome lined, either? Probably stainless steel?

its got a silver looking chamber and bore. not sure how I tell, actually. I just assumed it was chrome.

Well shit. Wish the Army would let me do that to my weapon. So far I've only gotten away with mags.

Sweet Jesus Shitting Fuck, Fucking Shitting Jesus Sweetness.

Nice rifles. My dad has an ar-15. Unfortunately my family lives in CA., the pussy state when it comes to guns.