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Bout time to get outta here
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Kio
(High-res version available for free over on my Patreon!)
https://unitedhelpukraine.org/ https://savelife.in.ua/en/
Bout time to get outta here
Shading:
Kio(High-res version available for free over on my Patreon!)
https://unitedhelpukraine.org/ https://savelife.in.ua/en/
Category Artwork (Digital) / Comics
Species Yinglet
Size 900 x 1605px
File Size 1.23 MB
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At first I was like "Yinglets don't seem to have much sense of danger, they will probably be excited about their so so large new friends." But together with the perspective in that last panel, you made me realize this might also be a brinskmanship move for the mounting tensions between Vizlet, Narklet and the Elders.
When they stride into the Enclave, the yinglets aren't just going to see two giant beings, they're going to see two giants -under a yinglet's command-. Subtle implication of how things would go if the Central Enclaves were to turn against Vizlet.
It also explains why they would send the two soldiers least prone to actual violence - the ones who won't fight back or cross that line until they're ordered to (and even then they might not). With their new orders to try and integrate this time (aka park themselves in the enclave), it gives me "missiles in cuba" vibes. Cinnamon roll missiles, who will probably enjoy having yinglets use them as playground equipment.
When they stride into the Enclave, the yinglets aren't just going to see two giant beings, they're going to see two giants -under a yinglet's command-. Subtle implication of how things would go if the Central Enclaves were to turn against Vizlet.
It also explains why they would send the two soldiers least prone to actual violence - the ones who won't fight back or cross that line until they're ordered to (and even then they might not). With their new orders to try and integrate this time (aka park themselves in the enclave), it gives me "missiles in cuba" vibes. Cinnamon roll missiles, who will probably enjoy having yinglets use them as playground equipment.
also, prior example of yinglet reaction to Kal on Page #246. Makes me wonder what Isher's reaction will be actually. Like, she's seen plenty of yinglets but yinglet society is so much more up her alley that I could see her being tempted to quit Ivenmoth and move there to farm with Chakki.
A society where they aren't afraid of her at all? I can actually see her being happy enough there to visit on a regular basis, under the excuse of assisting with heavy labor. She can help with some digging or holding up building structures while the yinglets work on the fastenings. She can help yinglets, but really she is just going because she wants the company and can sit around talking with the yinglets in their break, and exchange farming technique advice with Chakki.
I'm in agreement. This is absolutely a very subtle power play by Trademaster Viracroix.
I don't think the yinglets will be afraid of Isher, since she's a very sweet person. And all yinglets know what Baxxid are, so I don't think they'll be bothered by him, either. Indeed, I think the younglings are going to absolutely adore him!
Especially when Kalgur shows up wearing a shiny new horn...
I don't think the yinglets will be afraid of Isher, since she's a very sweet person. And all yinglets know what Baxxid are, so I don't think they'll be bothered by him, either. Indeed, I think the younglings are going to absolutely adore him!
Especially when Kalgur shows up wearing a shiny new horn...
The acknowledgement that these two are just so different from Elim in terms of their response to violence. Also, omg after that tease we still don't get to see the new fin >,.< guess that means Nell's got something extra impressive cooking for when they get back! But there's also something poetic and metaphorical-feeling about this scene where like, they are heading out again to the next part of the story, fresh traumas to be had most likely, even though none of them has been made whole from the last one.
I love the final panel here, the angle is unique so nice job! It feels like a DND crew getting back into action after a long downtime.
The torch overhead really caught my attention, though. It makes me wonder what kind of material is holding up the torch, exposing itself to the flame, and if the flame affects the roof it's exposed to.
The torch overhead really caught my attention, though. It makes me wonder what kind of material is holding up the torch, exposing itself to the flame, and if the flame affects the roof it's exposed to.
That's a good point, page #241 indicates that the red flag really is an Ivenmoth uniform, complete with a gold stripe for officers. Maybe Kal isn't wearing it for sanitary reasons, due to the still-raw stump? Or alternatively, it could be that the bug-glue stuff that baxxid use to attach their head flags isn't available on the road. Page #242 suggests it has to be milked fresh from the butt of some sort of caterpillar. Maybe it turns into silk when you try to bottle it?
It doesn't explain the different shapes, but I expect the ones used a formal identification probably carry some meaning. A street guard tasked with keeping the peace might wear a different shape flag from a guards assigned to more specific duties like guarding specified facilities of individuals, or it might indicate the rank of officer they report to.
:O the red flag comes in different shapes? Where is this, I don't spot any in the place I'd think to look, the story arc when Kal was doing guard duty >,.< except for Guardmaster Shtivv'kr who has the officer's flag with the gold stripe and pointy bit in the corners (and also an Ivenmoth Redcloak with the little badge, now that I'm looking at it)
Quite unusual lamp. Looks like it is made to deliberately restrict oxygen to get a brighter light. It would work, but you're going to get all the problems of such a flame: Heavy soot deposits, and you couldn't use it without good ventilation due to carbon monoxide buildup.
It's a functional but overall crap light source, and desperately awaits someone figuring out... hmm.
Good point. If this planet was terraformed in the distant past, it wouldn't *have* fossil fuels. No gas lights. No coal gas. No oil, unless they have some unfortunate whale analogue.
It's a functional but overall crap light source, and desperately awaits someone figuring out... hmm.
Good point. If this planet was terraformed in the distant past, it wouldn't *have* fossil fuels. No gas lights. No coal gas. No oil, unless they have some unfortunate whale analogue.
Wow. I don't even need to explain what's wrong with this because it's obvious to anyone who looked at the page. But this thing where every week you pull a measuring stick out of nowhere just to declare someone technologically primitive makes you sound like the bigoted ape on Planet of the Apes who ridicules the astronaut for not knowing the three principles of an irrelevant ape philosopher.
For you, I will give the extra extra details. So, basically House Ivenmoth uses a type of self-ventilating architecture that's often considered a lost technology because it's used in cities carved out of cliffs. There aren't enough people doing this to really propagate the knowledge because it's currently more expensive than building towers from the ground up. But the arrangement of rooms and windows in such cliff cities promote air circulation from all the wind that hits it.
Based on some of the aesthetic choices, Valsalia was probably influenced by a number of these around the world, but if you're from the US the most recognizeable will be the ones in Mesa Verde National Park.
Tower builders are still trying to figure out how to re-create these technologies to make skyscrapers do the same thing. Academically speaking, the engineering of a system that directs energy directly to the desired purpose is always more efficient, but also more difficult when compared with one that accomplishes the purpose with generalized power sources (i.e. creating and then destroying a fuel like oil or electricity). Zoom out your frame of view and just think about using giant pinwheels in a wind farm somewhere, to move magnets to make a little electricity to move the magnets driving a fan to push air through a building, which gets more wind in the first place than the pinwheels did. It's silly, but 'modern' people are making do with the limited technology available to them.
But to be specific about House Ivenmoth, you can see the lamp in question is hanging in a large open arch. But you can also see on page 031 that they have have a huge central chamber. The curved wall is generating bernoulli forces as the wind coming through those openings up there moves across it; this sucker (pun intended) pulls air through the surrounding halls in every direction, probably faster than it's moving outside.
But of course, when you read about these things in old travel magazines, they always say "look how well they managed, even though they were so primitive." It's a way of avoiding the uncomfortable thought that our people have simply been dumbed down by the particular path we've chosen with our own technology. But while such a fear drives a racist/colonialist mentality, the thing people are afraid of being true isn't really the case either. You simply can't put all of one people's technologies in a row and compare them to another's like that. The idea that "this person has only gotten up to here, therefore we have more" ignores the fact there are always entire branches of knowledge and technology that the other people have, which we can't readily recognize as advanced because they're unfamiliar to us.
It's like the saying you might have also heard, "there is no such thing as 'more evolved', only how well you've adapted to your environment." The same applies to anthropology. Comparing someone else's developments by using a presumed "most advanced" culture as the measuring stick, and then portraying the differences as a failure or weakness on the other's part, is a form of something called "social darwinism" and modern anthropologists stopped doing it around the same time ecologists did.
Based on some of the aesthetic choices, Valsalia was probably influenced by a number of these around the world, but if you're from the US the most recognizeable will be the ones in Mesa Verde National Park.
Tower builders are still trying to figure out how to re-create these technologies to make skyscrapers do the same thing. Academically speaking, the engineering of a system that directs energy directly to the desired purpose is always more efficient, but also more difficult when compared with one that accomplishes the purpose with generalized power sources (i.e. creating and then destroying a fuel like oil or electricity). Zoom out your frame of view and just think about using giant pinwheels in a wind farm somewhere, to move magnets to make a little electricity to move the magnets driving a fan to push air through a building, which gets more wind in the first place than the pinwheels did. It's silly, but 'modern' people are making do with the limited technology available to them.
But to be specific about House Ivenmoth, you can see the lamp in question is hanging in a large open arch. But you can also see on page 031 that they have have a huge central chamber. The curved wall is generating bernoulli forces as the wind coming through those openings up there moves across it; this sucker (pun intended) pulls air through the surrounding halls in every direction, probably faster than it's moving outside.
But of course, when you read about these things in old travel magazines, they always say "look how well they managed, even though they were so primitive." It's a way of avoiding the uncomfortable thought that our people have simply been dumbed down by the particular path we've chosen with our own technology. But while such a fear drives a racist/colonialist mentality, the thing people are afraid of being true isn't really the case either. You simply can't put all of one people's technologies in a row and compare them to another's like that. The idea that "this person has only gotten up to here, therefore we have more" ignores the fact there are always entire branches of knowledge and technology that the other people have, which we can't readily recognize as advanced because they're unfamiliar to us.
It's like the saying you might have also heard, "there is no such thing as 'more evolved', only how well you've adapted to your environment." The same applies to anthropology. Comparing someone else's developments by using a presumed "most advanced" culture as the measuring stick, and then portraying the differences as a failure or weakness on the other's part, is a form of something called "social darwinism" and modern anthropologists stopped doing it around the same time ecologists did.
I feel like you really could have avoided sounding so hostile right off the gate. Also, societies get more general knowledge as they expand. The ability to pass down useful knowledge is one of the hallmarks of society, because without it any larger organized groups collapse. Also, your argument doesn’t really make sense. It doesn’t appear as if you are arguing for anything, only against something that someone else saw and interpreted in their unique way. I will also say that I have no context for any prior disagreements, and I might just be saying this redundantly.
Also, about the lamp, there is a reasonable way you could possibly achieve an orange light producing flame that burns with little to no soot without any petrochemicals or other oils. Ethanol is known to be easy to make, and it burns steadily with a blue to orange flame that produces little light. It can be easily made by fermentation and purified by distillation. From there, you could add a sodium salt (such as the salt found in seawater, which House Ivenmoth would have plenty of access to, or sodium salts from potash and would give off an intense yellow-orange emission with the brightness dependent on heat, giving a very consistent brightness) or using heavier alcohols, such as IprOH, which is less feasible but still possible. Also, the lamp could have a design that allows for adequate ventilation and it could use terpenes distilled from the sap of certain plants. Pine would be feasible for this purpose in the real world, but there might be an equivalent in the world that the story takes place in. There are many possible fuels and architectures that would allow for the light output that would be required for a lamp like that to be feasible.
You could. However... this lamp hangs in a window. An odd place for a lamp, but one which suggests the problems of soot and toxic gas haven't actually been solved. They are addressed by the simple means of putting the lamp in a place with the best possible ventilation, so the undesirable smoke goes outside.
For more modest lighting, I imagine they use oil lamps. Those are solidly medieval technology and can run off of animal or vegetable fats. A big, fuel-hungry burner like that one though? That's flaunting.
For more modest lighting, I imagine they use oil lamps. Those are solidly medieval technology and can run off of animal or vegetable fats. A big, fuel-hungry burner like that one though? That's flaunting.
Other angles on this location on Page 031 and Field Guide: The City At first I'd assumed it was there to make the door visible in storms, but looking at how far the bridge (ramp?) extends in front of this grand entrance, now I'm thinking maybe it's like their equivalent of a glowing "open for business" sign, a nice inviting light that tells people to come on up. I suppose it might also be positioned there because the night guards need it, if they're posted in front of the gate during off hours.
The particular hostility you're sensing is a carryover from this thread on the previous page. Which, in fairness PyelusBird wasn't the main offender in; someone else said that the absence of a certain technology showed that yinglets were "incapable of having the patience needed for that sort of work," which is basically a quote (not even sure it was paraphrased) from a pro-slavery essay. PyelusBird was sort of contradicting them, but doing so by putting them only slightly higher on the same measuring stick in a way that still really mimics old racial arguments.
I held my tongue in order to be gracefully supportive because I wanted to positively encourage the conversation to go in a less condescending direction toward the yinglets (and toward peoples, past or present, who readers seem to be, correctly or not, associating them with). But that thread is also why I feel it was necessary to respond now after seeing the measuring stick used yet again, even against an entirely different group. This dynamic has been going on and slowly building for a long time, and it's like seeing Lusty Argonian Maid'd style stereotyping playing out in seriousness.
As for how it doesn't sound like I'm arguing for anything, it sounds like you're trying to negatively rate my writing performance but it's ironically positive feedback. It was a deliberate choice; arguing for something was not the purpose of writing in reply to either PyelusBird or Mongoosemazanec, so inserting it would have been wrong and more disrespectful toward PyelusBird. When I was whittling down my drafts, I made a point to remove anything that went in such a direction to ensure that only pure intentions influenced my writing decisions. So, 'pouh-pouh' to your intention but 'why thank you' for confirming I did a good job, I actually kind of feel less insecure about it now.
I held my tongue in order to be gracefully supportive because I wanted to positively encourage the conversation to go in a less condescending direction toward the yinglets (and toward peoples, past or present, who readers seem to be, correctly or not, associating them with). But that thread is also why I feel it was necessary to respond now after seeing the measuring stick used yet again, even against an entirely different group. This dynamic has been going on and slowly building for a long time, and it's like seeing Lusty Argonian Maid'd style stereotyping playing out in seriousness.
As for how it doesn't sound like I'm arguing for anything, it sounds like you're trying to negatively rate my writing performance but it's ironically positive feedback. It was a deliberate choice; arguing for something was not the purpose of writing in reply to either PyelusBird or Mongoosemazanec, so inserting it would have been wrong and more disrespectful toward PyelusBird. When I was whittling down my drafts, I made a point to remove anything that went in such a direction to ensure that only pure intentions influenced my writing decisions. So, 'pouh-pouh' to your intention but 'why thank you' for confirming I did a good job, I actually kind of feel less insecure about it now.
I see now what point you were trying to get across with how you wrote your comment, and it really clears a lot of things up. Thank you for the transparency with your intentions, and I can see why you might be feeling a little annoyed at the users you were responding to. Also, now that I know the context for your response, and having read it again after sleeping, I see that your point about the self-circulating architecture of House Ivenmoth was most directly a response to the carbon monoxide point that PyleusBird made and your follow up sentence is describing how the advancement of technology is increasingly promoting the favoritism for the easier task. How I interpret this is that a long time ago, people used clever architecture to harvest the wind for the purposes of air conditioning. As we have advanced, newer and easier methods have been developed, such as using electricity to power an air conditioning unit in buildings. If you were to imagine these to be powered by air, then it is significantly less efficient than using the air directly. There is a benefit, and that is that it can use many different sources of power. It still results in wind power that could be saved going to waste, and we end up requiring more power plants to make up for it, a significant percentage of which are using fossil fuels and are damaging the planet, even when the cleaner and more powerful nuclear energy has yet to be truly used, which is another great example of the consistent pattern of using the easier route over the better one. Also, I am glad to know that I helped solve a bit of insecurity that you felt in putting your thoughts out for others to see. And yes, most of this was an attempt to steel man your argument so I could better understand what you were trying to convey.
I was revisiting page #240 and just realized that Pekkit totally used her enthusiasm for books to cheer Kass up about his agoraphobia. Now I want to see Pekkit convincing Kass to run like, a book club or maybe a children's storytime thing, totally just to encourage reading not at allll to get Kass out of his shell >,.>
omg another "hidden layers of Kass trauma" but I feel like several elements of this page relate to page #240. Seeing Vizlet off at the threshhold was the closest Kass has gotten to stepping outside since that day. Now Elim's there to see Kass off. Vizlet reassured Kass that she'd come visit again instead of making Kass go to her, now Isher's promising that Kass will be safe on the road. And Kass acknowledged that he was agoraphobic. *Flashbacks realizing she knows this feeling in the last panel, from that very perspective. How vast the outdoors looked and how small it made me feel, but framed by my friends escorting me on either side.*
I wonder how Vizlet's going to respond to Kass having to face his fears to come to the enclave now. I'm imagining this 'integration' involving girls' night in, and Vizlet is not taking no for an answer. (Also Kalgkur is 100% invited. He's getting a mud mask.)
I wonder how Vizlet's going to respond to Kass having to face his fears to come to the enclave now. I'm imagining this 'integration' involving girls' night in, and Vizlet is not taking no for an answer. (Also Kalgkur is 100% invited. He's getting a mud mask.)
I agree, Vizlet is definitely not the type to be needlessly cruel, and is not as manipulative as the trademaster. She understands that she needs to take it slow with Kass, my only question is whether it is out of compassion or pragmatic realism. She clearly has designs for Kass, and knows that if she pushes him too hard she risks losing some of what she wants. So if it eventually comes to a choice between getting what she wants and Kassens well-being, I don't know what she would prioritize. I want to trust that she only wants to help Kass, but I'm not convinced.
Either way though, it'll be interesting to find out! There's some complicated political dynamics at play, and I do love me some fictional politics!
Either way though, it'll be interesting to find out! There's some complicated political dynamics at play, and I do love me some fictional politics!
This is almost what adventure parties in Pathfinder look like lmao
D&D it's all normal humanoid, bulkier humanoid, shorter humanoid with pointy ears.
Pathfinder it's like, kobold, literal snake, a talking fern, the ghost of a kitsune piloting an animated golem made from a combat dummy
D&D it's all normal humanoid, bulkier humanoid, shorter humanoid with pointy ears.
Pathfinder it's like, kobold, literal snake, a talking fern, the ghost of a kitsune piloting an animated golem made from a combat dummy
I just visualized the next thing Kass is going to see, which is going down the ramp in front of that gate, suddenly from vast intimidating sky and mountains it's gonna be looking downward at a whole lot of ground and city to cross >,.< the same ground they were crossing when Elim got stabbed on the way in.
If you didn't know the personalities of the guards, the fact Kass has a blooded Baxxid and what-ever Isher is would seem extremely intimidating.
If you did know their personalities it would be way less scary because they are sweet-hearts who would hate to hurt anyone.
If you knew their devotion to Kass they would be way scarier because you'd know that they'd absolutely choose ultra-violence if anything tried to bring harm to Kass despite their normally kind demeanors.
If you did know their personalities it would be way less scary because they are sweet-hearts who would hate to hurt anyone.
If you knew their devotion to Kass they would be way scarier because you'd know that they'd absolutely choose ultra-violence if anything tried to bring harm to Kass despite their normally kind demeanors.
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