Finally!!! ^.=.^ *continue reading favourite story*

I love that third panel!

Same. It kicks ass.

Mufasa's going to be pissed.

XD I freakin' fell outa my chair laughin'!

aww the lion cub looks like he wants to join :) damn overbearing parents

Looks like the lion is the bad guy in this. D:

Lions are usually used as examples of the religious right.

It's funny cause in the Good Book itself, the Christians were fed to the lions by the Romans and Pilot. Best and the most positive dipction of Christ in my opinion has to be from Student Bodies where in one part of the story arc Christ on the Cross is depicted as a Lion.

The lamb depiction I'd say is more accurate,
considering like how lambs were preferably slaughtered and bled as appeasement to Yahweh's own infatuation with blood as a currency to pay off sin.

I think Christianity has used lions as being symbolic of Christ before. Lots of symbolism of authority, regality, the sun and so forth.

it's funny, because Jesus first simbol was a fish. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichthys

anyways, lamb and lioon were also pretty important because of the meaning.

OMG love your av pic Kelley's Heros is an awesome movie ^.^

Not to mention Aslan- the Narnia series basically set the tone with him. Seems that the consensus is that since the Lion is the King of beasts, hes also the perfect allegory for Christ since hes King as well.

In summary, a Lion is Jesus' spirit animal.

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"Good Book" is an oxymoron. :P

Jesus is called The Lion of Judah.

I know and speaking as a committed atheist it does my head in!

the lions cub looks like hes thinking "the hell is that?"

If I were asked to put a balloon on him, it would say "People are doing something."

im supprised someone hasent made a childrens book like this yet.. (just this page of course) but it would bring the message of equal rights to the young in a fun way i think.

There have been pro-gay and pro-marriage-equality children's books

yes but i meant in the antro perspective way like this i mean using the interspeices perspective.

I'm actually working on a series of children's books ^^; the first is on handling breast cancer/grief/healing (a personal project in memory of past family members), the next is on autism/aspergers-awareness, and the third is of two stags that adopted a young fox, and how that family unit interacts with the world around them (and how the community interacts with them and all that fun stuff. Keep in mind, that's the really dumbed down version of it). There's many more after that, but those three are the main ones I'm working on XD

I'm writing and illustrating and self-publishing everything, and it'll be a year or so before everything is out. But I'm working on em ^^; I haven't uploaded anything on it, simply because I don't want my personal art and that art getting mixed up (or rather, tainted by the world that is furry perversion) XD

Wow Marc is a little prick isnt he

Absolutely not. If you're going to get involved in an activist group (the members of this church group protested at a funeral of a gay boy), you should expect retaliation. Protesting is, in a way, the non-violent variation of Civil War. It can get violent though, if unchecked.

In a broad sense it really doesn't make them better than the assholes who protested the funeral. In a way it just lowers the to their level, antagonizes and leads to further conflict.
tl;dr, they need to ignore and not feed the troll.

well said!

Thank you! I'm all for the use of free speech, and that means sometimes you're gonna be faced with things that offend -you-, that's gonna happen. And when it does, you can do one of two things: Get worked up over it and protest, counter protest, ect ect, and try to get something banned or censored to fit -your- sensibilities. ( Very much like a Certain US Political Party, at least it seems like that).

OR, you do what myself and other people with a damn brain in their head do.

Change the god damn channel. Hit the back button on the browser. Leave that particular store. Don't see that "offensive" movie.

Not that tough people. XD

A good quality is to know when to leave something alone. I have that stance. To leave or ignore things. Or maybe privately vent to someone else unrelated to it. But i still can't help myself sometimes.. Quick to irritate comes from my dad's side. ~w~

Exactly. Sometimes it's better to do just that than get upset to the degree Marc and his friends are there in the comic. Sometimes it's better to point and laugh at the Westburo Baptist Church and move on with your life, than to get massive amounts of asspain over it. It just means they win in the long run.

I think it's kinda bad that thinking of the word asspain makes me giggle. Is is? x3

Is it*

Certainly more creative than Butthurt.

Analdevistated is another good one. XD

Ohgawd, now I have to start using that one xDDDDD

Not only do they win in the long run, but they get ammo and justification for their hate. I swear, I won over some friends once by not being a dick...suddenly they had someone who is LGBT in their lives, and instead of acting like a total asshole, I just calmly stayed polite and kind.

It gets harder to hate someone when they have literally no reason to do so.

I know plenty of folk who would argue against it, that we should all go shove our orientation in people's faces until they tolerate us, but...my goal is ACCEPTANCE, not TOLERANCE. ;)

Thus far everything you've said is well-worded and IMO right. Mad respect, dude.

Thank you. *brofist*

Y'welcome. :) *brofist*

Moderation is my creed, and to that I counter your point with this.

Evil prevails when good men do nothing.

IE: when you turn your back to problems they don't go away they go on about there business with out you, and while that does remove you from the situation, if the situation is allowed to elevate it can come to you anyways and in a way that is far worse than before. While its never wise to provoke a hostile situation it is also unwise to stand idle.


In this situation you could protest a church and look like the bad guy or you could stand idly by as your rights are being protested and slowly whittled away at. Alternatively you could do what most pro rights organizations in the world today do and protest civilly in public domains, in a attempt to be the better person.

True, and your quote there has real meaning on an International basis, one only needs to look at Chamberlain and the the Germans in the mid 30s to see the truth in that. I'm all for expression of freedom of speech, but there are limits. and in both cases, on the Pastor's part and on the part of Marcus, they have exceeded that limit and have gone from protesting right to antagonism.

The problem is, you'll never change anything that way. Do you think black people gained equal rights through turning a blind eye to racism when it was all around them? No. They protested. I can see what you're saying though - this kind of approach doesn't do much other than antagonise the situation, however you can't just turn a blind eye to persecution and prejudice.

You have a point, and I agree, but in the scope of things, Gays have had it easy, it's comparative to what Hispanics and Asians have gone through in comparison to the shit Blacks have dealt with in this Country.
Thats of course not down playing the shit any of those groups have had to go through of course. But you never saw Gays getting washed down the street with fire hoses. I mean, yes, you had the Stonewall Riots in the late 60s, but it wasn't to the degree of what the Marchers for Civil Rights faced in the Southern States.

its kind of a fallacy to argue who has "had it worse"
one could argue...the Native Americans had it worse, where as blacks were considered 3/5s a white man where as Native Americans were not even viewed upon as human but rather vermin that needed to be exterminated...or that even black on black violence in Africa was worse....

Indeed it is. Thank you for saying this.

Also for those whom say "gays have it easy" don't forget many gay men were locked up for no other reason than being gay. Many states had these laws on the books well into the 90's. And even today gays are having to fight tooth and nail for the most basic of rights, such as anti-bulling. Even these laws are fought hard by the Christian Right! So here we are again it's okay from Christians to bully others but it's not for gays to do it back. Futhermore how many more sucides is it going to take for the gay community to catch up and be worthy of other civil rights movements. Perhaps one day some will wise up and see that gays don't have it so easy after all.

" So here we are again it's okay from Christians to bully others but it's not for gays to do it back."

Ok, so is it bad that I saw gays getting bullied by *gasp* athiests more than Christians, and in fact saw more Christians stand up for said gays to protect them back in high school?

Yes, that is bad.

It's not a competition about who 'had it worse' or who had what done to who. It's a civil rights issue. It's about fighting to be recognized as equal human beings. To make comparisons like that devalues one or the other.

Agreed.

Have it easy you say! Okay how about bulling for no other fucking reason that being gay! Yea I was fucked with for years back in the early 90's when I finished high school. Beat up you name it buddy! Not to menintion the name calling and being shunned. Even today this is going on! And the best slap across the face is the Christian Right fights hard to stop each anti-bulling laws that come up! Also one other thing, I had to move out of the county even because my partner is male. And guess what? Because of DOMA I could not sponsor him as a straight couple could! So friend let me ask you, how many more sucides, broken bones, and lack of basic rights will
it take before we're worthy of other civil rights movements!

so that give you the right to kill all the religious people and shit? that's like saying all black people have to right to abuse white people because they were treated like shit, and are they better people than the caucasians because they were discriminated? hating anyone to achieve what is right is never the solution. these days the LGBT community is turning into a huge mess because of morons like you and i am not even sorry to say it.

LOL First off kid I never said anything what do ever about killing anyone. If you want to take my metaphors out of context that's your issue. Second off I've been working hard to get rights for gay people longer than you've been alive. Third you don't know me at all so please mind your own business and leave these maters to people whom know what there doing.

Well spoken my good sir.

Gays have it easy? Are you kidding me?

In many parts of the world, just saying you're gay will get you brutally murdered or even executed by your own government.

I don't go a week without hearing about a gay or trans assault, murder, or suicide that could be linked to anti-LGBT bias.


It's bad enough that I can't i marry my fiancé. If we travel to a state that has marriage equality just to get married, then we come back to Wisconsin, we could be fined up to $10,000 and jailed for up to 9 months.


We haven't been washed down the streets with fire hoses because we're not nearly numerous enough as any racial group is going to be.


Us "having it easy" is not only untrue and irrelevant, it's a slap in the face of everyone working to make things better when you use it as a justification NOT to use our freedom of speech to fight back in every possible form. Protesting, educating, lobbying, merely existing and being everyday people, it takes all types to win these battles.

"Gays having it easy" is not only ignorant but downright offensive to the friends of the gays who have been killed, raped, beaten or killed themselves due to relentless bullying.

I hope the best for you.

"We haven't been washed down the streets with fire hoses because we're not nearly numerous enough as any racial group is going to be."

Not to mention when was the last time you saw a bunch of gays group up into a violent mob and require such force to stop them? Stonewall? That's one mild instance in comparison to the numerous instances of riots that had nothing to do with gays both before and after that.

You are correct though, gays have been tortured and killed in the most horrendous of ways, just for being gay, for a long time. Yes, the slaves were abused and mistreated and killed, I don't deny that, but I don't recall hearing much about people spending their money to buy slaves just to kill them in horrendous ways.. especially when they have been able to do so freely to gays for a lot longer.

Even to this day we have to put up with being tormented, beat, mutilated, curb-stomped, burned to death, disembodied, and a whole lot worse.. all the while still being denied basic civil rights in the majority of the world, and just for being gay. The horrendous things that have been done to gays over the years would make people sick just to know about them, and it's still going on all over the world and in the united states.

I do also agree with Paletero's post about the American Indians. People sure went out of their way to exterminate them as well.

Yeah, all of the murders, "corrective rape", beating up gays/lebians and driving to suicide of LGBT people thought the globe is "having it easy".

Don't narrow your perspective to American history, either. You have no idea what happens to people who are as far as -suspected- to be gay in Russia, Serbia, Iraq, Uganda, Kenya, India...

If you read my comment, I said I wasnt downplaying what they have gone through, but while it's shitty it really cant hold a candle to the over 200 years of shit the Blacks have gone through in the United States. I'm also well aware of what goes on elsewhere in the world, but I used the US as a basis because it seems like thats where the comic is set.

Gays were also ushered into concentration camps along with the Jews during the holocaust, as long as we're playing the "who's been fucked by whitey the hardest" game.

Although seeing the Westboro Baptist "Church" protested in the middle of the of their protests was pretty sweet, especially since it was done in a humorous (not nasty) way.

It made me happy on so many levels that, of all the comments that you chose to respond to on this page, this was the one.

Yay, sanity!

Yes, the one thing the world needs the most.

Respect, mate...you gain massive amounts of it.

Read what I said above I take it? Thank you man. More can be gained through being civil and working issues out that open fighting and violence, not saying that force isnt EVER needed, but you get what I mean XD

I totally agree with you. Too many people are quick to put up their dukes or pull out their guns instead of actually sitting down and talking it out. I'm not saying that sometimes its NOT better to fight, like when an enemy has made it ABUNDANTLY clear they won't stop until you're dead. But if there are people willing to negotiate, stop and do that instead of just shooting everyone, ya know?

War is ugly.

Common Sense is becoming quite uncommon now-a-days..

Just saying this, if someone protested the funeral of someone I know, I'd just go over there with a bat and hit them, don't care If i get arrested. everyone over thinks this, no matter what they are going to think their right even if you you march, protest, leave them alone, might as well bruise em a bit. Not saying the lions should get beat up, I already hate the protesters in this comic, if anything i'd beat up those protesters.

yes but see like their real world counter part you'd actually be doing them a favor since religious extremist thrive on being martyrs or victims .

True, but the difference is, they have like no following, no one has sympathy for them, People excited when someone tries hitting them with a car.

people get excited*

Not only that, they thrive by suing anyone who sends violence or harassment their way. That's how they fund the cause, it's not like people donate to them :p

Well in that case I'll wear a ski mask!

Agreed! I don't care what religion you are, people need not think there special because of there bed time story book says it okay to hate gays. So yea let them have there protest, but they shouldn't be surprised when they get a chair thrown at them or when we show up at there house!

you're such a hateful idiot. grow up with gay hating stories? my parents raised me christian (although i don't feel like one) they told me to accept people as they are. look who's talking! the LGBT community is just as intolerant as the churches and you're probably telling your kids and nephews to hate on religious people at bed times too. talk about who's really intolerant! there is no reason to hate a whole group because of the hateful idiots. fuck you. you're worse than the people at westborough church. I HOPE YOU DON'T MESS UP THE REPUTATION OF LGBT COMMUNITY BECAUSE I DON'T WANT MY GAY FRIENDS TO LOOK LIKE DOUCHEBAGS THANKS TO AN ASSHOLE LIKE YOU.

Again kiddo I'm older, wiser, and have been through much more than you have I can assure you! Futhemore what you just said is down right laughable! Might I sudgest you at the very least calm down before you pound out another reply in all capital letters to show just how childish you really are. As I said before you don't know me at all yet you've taken time to confront just me. Wow that makes me feel special! :) Anywho just so ya know I was raised Christian also but left that mind trap many years ago. With luck one day you'll do the same. And hey also does your holy document not have something to say about turning the other cheek? Just food for thought.

With ya 100% man, but I wouldn't bother trying to argue with these people. If they're not painting themselves as victims 25 hours a day then they don't know what to do with themselves, and unfortunately no amount of logic or reason is going to fix that

Well I don't care if they hate gays. I'm gay and I fucking hate most gays, whiney leftist weak gays. I like normal gays, unfortunately there's not alot of us in my experience. I hate them because they protest funerals, the people fighting for the freedom they use to bash them, no respect, not only that, but they call everyone fags, even the straight ones, their wife and children could be there and they would still say shit like "fag" it doesn't make sense.

Meh... Well I'm left of the left, 6'4" 210 lbs and look like Satan, and not at all the faggy type, and frankly most would never guess I'm gay. So where's that leave me? lol

Well I don't like the left, but i don't really care what someone's politics are unless they actually in government. Good to hear your not a femboy, I swear if I saw one more of those I was gonna punch something, I'm like surrounded by them in rl and the numbers are growing all the time, people coming out of the closet and i just take one look and im like.. Not surprised hahaha

Oh hell no. Back in the day I was skinny as hell. Got beat up like everyday also! Growing up in the damn bible belt was hard as hell! In high school I said that's enough of that shit and got pumped. Also those dumb asses that keep battling me down there clearly have never been in the shit. Makes me laugh my ass off seeing kids talk shit to grown men on a furry website. :p

Haha thats awesome, I use to be a small little weak kid when i was like 14, by 15 I was just like "gotta be able to beat someone up" the schools didn't do anything about harassment, they just want to to curl up and wait for a teacher to come to your aid, fuck that, i just break their nose. There was even a time when 7 dudes wanted to jump me but aaalll of them chickened out when the time came. I don't understand how anyone with a y chromosome would want to be that defenseless, then complain when someone picks on them, if you are gonna act like a fag, then your a fag, and if you want the bullying to stop, man up.

It's thought that this might be the main reason they do what they do. They get attacked, then they sue everyone they can and they profit. I think a large portion of Westboro Baptists are lawyers. I know Fred was.

I don't care what they want or if they will sue me or if I get arrested, making some of them bleed will but a smile on my face and countless others too.

No doubt. But it's not the smart thing to do. You're funding them and victimizing them, thus making "the gays" that much more unreasonable to anyone that might be undecided.

Hell I don't care what anyone thinks of gays, im gay but almost every gay I have met has pisses me off. undecided on what?

Undecided on, say, whether or not to vote for a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage in those states that are facing such.

If you hate most every gay person you meet, could it just be that you hate most every person you meet and orientation just isn't a factor?

Ahh, yah I vote no on gay marriage myself. And no, I have been able to befriend everyone I have met just about, like them just fine, but most of the gays are just ridiculous.

You oppose same-sex marriage?

Pretty much, I was borderline on it but eventually decided against it.

For what reasons?

Mostly because it opens a gate for the left. I don't care if gays get married, but if it gives a little victory for the left im not for it.

You're placing petty politics over basic human rights?

Not really, just don't want this leftist's everyones equal, anti republic thing to get around, help prevent a collapse in government.

"Not really" means "yes".

You oppose same-sex marriage for NO other reason than "I don't want the left to win"

1) that's absolutely reprehensible.
2) same-sex marriage is arguably not a "left" issue. Gay conservatives exist as well.

Not many of them doo, a VERY large majority of gays are modern liberals. its not "I dont want them to win" its I don't want it to get popular then destroy the country.

Gays and lesbians have found a little more traction with the Democratic party simply because their existence isn't met with a (symbolic, but occasionally literal) chorus of boos and a forced shuffling off the national stage. I don't see how the marriage issue is particularly tied to any political leaning, though. How is a consistent, recognized equal platform for building families (marriage equality) anything but a boon to the economy and a net improvement in quality of life?

And by the way, what I consider to be destroying the country is the petty "can't appear to let them gain an inch" party line voting blocks. If legislators considered bills being presented on their own merits and thought for themselves, I find it unfathomable that everyone in either party would be voting the same way.

Ohh got the entire couple here aye? cute, Yah im gonna go back to my violin playing, you know, something productive. try it sometime.

I work 40-48 hours a week and am enrolled in 7 credits at a university. Don't assume I don't lead a productive life, and don't think ad hominem attacks are going to add anything of value to this discussion.

How do you know that? Do you know of any studies that show what percentage of LGBT people belong to each political affiliation?

Let's try an analogy. A terrorist or somebody has a gun to the head of an innocent person. All the liberals and lefties are screaming "No! Don't kill him! He's innocent!"

By your logic, you should be rooting that terrorist on. Anything to get back at those damn liberals.


Extreme example but I want your honest feedback on it.

That doesn't even make sense, when did I ever say no matter what I disagree with everything and anything someone slightly left says? putting words in my mouth, thats a bad bird, you should stop doing that. Well i'm done here, back to my real life blah blah blah, violins ect ect, already told your little fuck buddy, see yah.

Okay so clearly there's some threshold between letting couples of the same gender and murder that you place above politics.

Where is that threshold? Why will you dismiss the inequality I suffer from, yet you'll transcend your political bias to save someone from being shot in the head?

Wow. Just wow.
I can't even express it in words how wrong the way you think is.
And besides, how can you be so disrespectful towards Noxal and his fiancé?

You're not a homosexual, your a straight person pretending to be a gay, so that you can slander others for your own insecurities. Just stop because you can't fool me.

Wow, you are an idiot, did you ever think maybe a gay could be disappointed in how gays act?

Do you think that I made an account years ago, faved gay yiff, said I was gay for years, just so I could bash how gays are and the left in the past week?

Thanks for admitting that you are a closet gay to me, live and let live

How about we look at some of those republicans who shout anti-gay stuff in general, while faving gay porn/hooking up on "Rent-A-Boy.com" behind the scenes. Since you are behind a computer screen, i can't tell if you are telling the truth now. That's all I need to know

No, you can't tell if i'm telling the truth, how full of yourself do you have to be to say something that? thats just ridiculous, I'm the most honest person you will ever meet, behind a computer screen? i'll say the same shit face to face if you want

Thats because they like the same gender, but know how shit should be run.

There is a point when trolling is not trolling anymore, and it is bullying. How many times do you tell your bullied child to just ignore the bullying until something bad happens? We tried to "do the right thing" and tell on the WBC for protesting funerals, and they had a huge debt to pay afterwards... however, upon all kinds of appeals and shitty legal loopholes, almost all of the settlement they were supposed to pay was erased.

What do you do when diplomacy and the authorities don't stop a rotten tomato from spoiling the soup? I'm all for free-speech, but sometimes when "free-speech" inhibits social progress and prevents civil liberties from occurring (such as a peaceful funeral for a family to mourn its loved one), people need to step up to the plate and start exercising their "free-speech" too.

A major turning point in the LGBT Rights movement were the Stonewall Riots. One of the first times in USA history where we fought back against the police and society as they kept trying to corner, convict, and control us. It was violent... and it woke people up and got them to pay attention to the movement. The opening paragraph of Wikipedia sums up pretty much exactly what I learned in class and books about it...

"The Stonewall riots were a series of spontaneous, violent demonstrations against a police raid that took place in the early morning hours of June 28, 1969, at the Stonewall Inn, in the Greenwich Village neighborhood of New York City. They are frequently cited as the first instance in American history when people in the homosexual community fought back against a government-sponsored system that persecuted sexual minorities, and they have become the defining event that marked the start of the gay rights movement in the United States and around the world."

I prefer peace, but I won't deny that sometimes not being the better person can have long-term benefits. As Mordin Solus said to his student, “Lots of ways to help people. Sometimes heal patients; sometimes execute dangerous people. Either way helps.” While this is an extreme, it illustrates what I mean.

And Marcus's anti-protest is far from out of line.

I really wish I wouldn't be so quick to click the button. XD Important factors to consider...

1. Marcus doesn't want violence, and even said that if violence were to occur, it wouldn't start with them.
2. The world isn't as black and white as we want to believe. Even religious doctrines don't preach this, though through quote-mining one might try to assume that they do. The Koran both says to destroy non-believers AND to befriend your enemies. The Christian Bible has a similar theme.
3. Peace is idealistic, to live and let live, but true peace and prosperity is difficult (at least under the current way the world works), as the Social Conflict Theory of Sociology states. In this particular scenario, the Feminist Theory in Sociology also applies, as it gives a deep examination of not just Sexism in society, but also Heterosexism.

I was initially more drawn to Reis, but I think I prefer Marcus now. While Reis does come from a very different background, I do appreciate his activism immensely, and he's been trying to give Reis a chance to get involved, too, even going as far as to cover all of their bills himself so he can join. While I don't like that Marcus treats him like a pet, Reis's trust issues and over-sensitivity about the fact that he is of a lower social-class than Marcus rubs me the wrong way. Maybe that's just me, but I don't know.

Perhaps I'll end up hating Marcus and loving Reis later on in the story? Who knows, but right now, I'm cheering for Marcus. ^_^

Sorry, but there is a time and a place for everything. A funeral certainly isn't the time or place regardless of the reason. However, neither is a place of worship with children and potentially innocent bistanders that could get hurt if anything did break out. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Keep in mind, Marcus doesn't want any violence and made it clear.

Also, this is about the ONLY way they will be able to directly protest against them. It's far easier to plan to protest them at one of their plans, instead of trying to rally everyone together to drive to counter-protest them at their next target, which would be their only option of an "appropriate" way to protest them.

This church reminds me of the WBC more still. They bring their children along on their protests and have them hold up extremely offensive signs that they don't even understand what they mean.

In a battle, people will be hurt... it's unfortunate, but what this church is doing is bullying, and no one is stepping in to make them stop, no authorities, no government, and no one within the church itself. Their actions are being condoned. I won't be sad for the parents of any "hurt" children in the process. If the parent's were smart, they wouldn't be dragging their kids into that mess of a church in the first place, a church filled with Extremist Activists that like to picket and protest at funerals. What kind of good parenting is that? Also, a good parent, if they want to keep their children out of this, will leave the service or church immediately once they see Marcus's group arriving. It's not Marcus's responsibility to take care of those kids.

Why do you think a place of worship is not the time or place for protest?

Why do you think children need to be defended from the truth? If they're being indoctrinated into a religion that preaches hatred for any group of people that doesn't deserve it, those children benefit from hearing different viewpoints.

Innocent bystanders that could get hurt if anything did break out are present in any protest situation. So again, why do you think a church is special and should be off limits?

To that extent I could ask you why a funeral should be off limits? You both seem to be missing my point. The church isn't right, but I'm sorry to say, neither is Marcus in this case. Saying that the children would benefit from getting both points of view would be to assume that the children are even old enough to comprehend what's going on, or that they have the capacity to be able to deal with it. This is obviously a difficult enough subject for grown men and women to understand and deal with, let alone a child.

As a parishioner to a local church myself it's my belief that a church, regardless of denomination or leadership is at its basic roots a house of God. To ultimately start a fight, whether by word or by fist isn't appropriate on its grounds. If there is a problem with the leadership of a particular parish there are channels and much higher powers where the fight can be taken that will actually get results. Not everyone within the church is anti-gay. In fact we had our first openly gay bishop...

indigo_the_cat makes the statement that in battle people will get hurt, okay, but let's also take into consideration that even in war you have rules of engagement. Just because you declare war doesn't mean that the gloves all come off and anything goes. And, whether Marcus said they're not out to start violence or not his actions are picking a fight, like poking an angry bull with a stick.

Frankly, I think both sides are being very immature and petty. Forget what the issues are at hand and you simply have two groups disrespecting each other one on one. Marcus wants what's happening to stop, take it to the church diocese. Whether the denomination agrees with their cause or not wouldn't matter if what the church is doing is out of line (which it is). The final word to the bible boils down to Jesus' one outstanding message, "love thy neighbor as thy self."

In conclusion I re-state what I said already, two wrongs don't make a right.

People are grieving at a funeral. A regular church service is not in any way comparable.
I see absolutely no problem with Marcus' behavior.
Children comprehend plenty. And even if they don't comprehend it, what's the harm in letting them experience it anyways?
I do not buy into the children's interest rhetoric, so the burden of proof is on you to show me exactly and specifically how children are harmed by this sort of thing.

I see no reason to believe that your god exists, so I really don't see any reason to respect or fear it or its place of worship.
If there's a problem with the leadership of a particular parish there are indeed several channels through which to express and deal with that problem. It is not up to you or the church to decide what those channels are or which are appropriate.

Violence rarely breaks out in this sort of thing. Physical violence is completely different than verbal discussion and the expression of outrage.

What you and I think about protesters is irrelevant. They have a right to protest and bickering about it solves nothing.

You still haven't shown me why counter-protesting is wrong.

You're not providing me with any FACTS as to why the counter-protest is right! Your arguments are being based off of personal opinions and emotions. Try stepping back from the situation and disconnecting yourself from either side. My point is that neither side is right. I'm not supporting the actions of the church, but I'm not supporting the actions of the protestors in this scenario either. And, until you have some form of understanding and respect for BOTH sides of the argument you can't justify one side or the other regardless. I don't care one way or the other whether you believe in God or not, but if you're going to present an argument as to why or why it's not right to protest in such a place you need to first have some form of understanding of it, which according to your own statement, you don't. So to debate this any further is completely moot.

Why on earth would I have any understanding and respect for a side of an argument that's based on nothing but misinformation and unprovable religious claims?

Noxal you have my upmost respect and I agree with you 100% here. Unfortunately I suspect the magirity of the people here defending the rights of a church to do what ever the hell they wish with no no risk of any retaliation what so ever. Are most likely Christian them self. And even if they claim to be gay, they will always just sit back and straddle the fence and most likely never protest any antigay propaganda comes from withen the walls of there own church.

For me it's kinda like union work. Everytime there's a group of people that hate the union, will not picket, and never pay a penny to the union fund. Yet they all enjoy the those big pay checks and benifits there union brothers fought hard to get. These kinds of people are called scabs! And it's the same thing that's going on with the gay community today. They all want these rights! But not everyone is willing to fight for them if it might hurt someone's feelings...

False equivalence.

Disturbing people grieving for their dead child, friend, lover while they are -burying- him with your hate? Not at all comparable with interrupting a little family church service of bigots after it's done.

Wow... and the trolls come out of the woodwork. You read but you obviously don't comprehend. First, don't start trying to label me as supporting one or the other. My debate was that neither side was correct.

"Disturbing people grieving for their dead child, friend, lover while they are -burying- him with your hate?"

You are out of line, Mois, don't mistake me for supporting the church's actions when I've stated, over and over that neither side is in the right.

By you I mean in general not you-you. Sorry.

Just as I said on the last page to someone else. Sometimes violence is nessuary! All this talk I hear about always being peaceful is bullshit comming from children that have never been though anything much less been in the streets. Every civil rights movement I know of had bloodshed before they gained anything!

Violence begets violence.

Don't misunderstand me, sometimes violence IS THE WAY, when there is life-threatening oppression by all means bust out the violence, but...one must weigh the consequences against the gains.

Think of all the borderline fence-sitters we would lose if all of us felt as you do. They would see us as a threat, which is not the message I want to send. Why should they accept us if they feel we are a threat to their very safety?

Back in the day long before Internet the gay community was so much stronger! It's sad that there's so many these days not willing to do anything because of there own personal shame. I'm not saying to go out and punch someone in the face for no reason. But if it ever came down to it your damn right I would take it to the streets. The problem I see today, here first most here. There's a bunch of people who whine, and there's a few that pound there keyboard online. But only a few are willing to stand hand and hand and be willing to take what ever others dish out.

...did you even read my comment? Or is this a reply to someone else that mistakenly got posted as a reply to my comment/reply? Because it feels like we are not even on the same page here.

Yes, I did read your comment and that is indeed my reply. I should of said I do agree with you on some of what you said but I must add the following: (inter mass text from my other reply). Anyway my reply was just more of a comment that an answer to any questions, nor was it a question on it's on accord. Just my thoughts and follow up on what you said to me.

Loving your input in the comments here! I'd also love to hear you put this stupid fuck in his place, as I'm already trying to: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/773...../#cid:54381219

After talking with him I honestly think he really does not believe in half of what saying. He's just not willing to cross party lines. Don't let it get under your skin as that's what most naysayers want in the first place. I've had I don't know how many here try there best to get to me. But I've not allowed that to happen, nor have a fallen into there mind traps they've set for me. And that grinds there gears more than anything I could of ever said.

I do have to admit that I really really struggle sometimes with these issues and the sheer idiocy of people. The willful ignorance is just staggering. Luckily I'm too busy with my life to really let it get to me! :P

Alas there's always going to be stupid people, just keep your head up and never stop believing in the dream. :)

Trying my best every day. :> [high five, or four, or whatever the hell]

Kudos for ME reference :D

THIS. I could not agree more.

Very, very well said.

What did ya read and agree with? XD

Probably this ---> "In a broad sense it really doesn't make them better than the assholes who protested the funeral. In a way it just lowers the to their level, antagonizes and leads to further conflict.
tl;dr, they need to ignore and not feed the troll."

I seem to be getting more support over that comment than others XD

Well, it has a lot of truth to it, honestly. :P I know so many have knee-jerk reactions to things but if everyone calmed down and acted rationally with a great deal of forethought, things wouldn't suck so bad. :P

About sinking to their level, protesting the protesters and allsuch, and how they just win in the end. So very true.

An example: for years the only "gay people" my aunt heard about or saw on TV or on the internet were those who did that Folsom (sp?) street parade. They had guys in leather thongs practically fucking in public, and it shocked and horrified her. She also felt that her Christian faith meant she had to hate everyone who is gay because God said so. I will never forget the awkward car trip of awkward where somehow, gay rights came up in conversation, and I was in the car with my dad and aunt...and I was only "out" to my dad. The ensuing argument was a train wreck on so many levels it isn't even funny. Nothing has ever tempted me to leap out of a vehicle doing 70 mph on the highway more than that day.

Now I know it must have been very liberating for some of those people in those pride marches to get their freak on in public, but making a spectacle like that doesn't help ME any, a skinny young queer from a very conservative family in a rather intolerant area. It immediately labels me as "one of THOSE people" and I don't appreciate it! Meant I had to try twice as hard to convince my aunt I'm not a freaking psycho pervert. Plus...I can kinda get behind the concept that those kinds of pride marches are a Bad Idea...the shit I've seen some folk do in those things is not something I wanna see ANYONE do in public, be they gays, lesbians or straight folk. Nor would I want my kid seeing that (yes I have a kiddo, I was in denial for a looooong time). So yeah, I can see why some super-conservative bigots see that and freak right out about the "gay community."

I'm also not talking about people who just march (clothed and stuff) for gay rights either, here. :P That's totally cool.

Now again, I'm sure it is very liberating and freeing, and some of it looks hella fun (gods forbid my family ever find out I have a ponyplay fetish, I bet they'd either all simoutaneously stroke out or skin me alive) but when that's all the some people ever see of the gay community, well...it can make a lot of trouble and can even set back gay rights if the wrong person takes on a personal crusade over it. :(

Sad but true.

Very well said, and whole heartedly. Major respect to you too good sir.

Thankyas. :)

Just like Cpt. Dammit said, this is a extremely well said.

I'm slowly starting to come out to people around me and by the gods it is agonizingly slow... I am so insecure about how they will react that it takes me ages to tell them. I've told two of my closest friends, both girls, and they were fine with it, even tho it was weird for one of them initially. After talking about it a little more, we proceeded to laugh our heads off about all kinds of stuff like "Oh my gawd, we totally have to go to the mall and check out the guys there!" and other such silly things.

I was going to write a longer reply, but it was getting personal and, even though I don't mind, I'm almost sure it'll just be boring. So I'll just stop now.... Yah.

Thanks. :)

Personal stuff in a discussion like this is never boring, it can actually help shed light on the subject at hand. :D So if inclined, feel free. :D

Wall of text incoming - rmb, you asked for it!

First of all I must say that being gay in Romania is quite difficult. Most people are quite close-minded when it comes to LGBTs. What is also true however is that most of them are just ignorant people that got the impression that all gay men/boys are limp-wristed, feminine and have a lisp + high pitched voice that want to have sex with every single man/boy they meet. This is mostly due to the media portraying them like that again and again and again. Another problem is that guys here (at least the ones still in highschool) tend to act all macho when they are around other guys. This part-of-a-pack thingy turns many of them into fearless douchebags, harrassing everyone around them and making stupid jokes about everything. Strangely, many of them, when alone, are actually quite nice and intelligent.

Now, on to the more personal stuff. There are lots of guys in school who harrass me (usually just verbally. Never more than a nudge), calling me gay and fag and all those shiny words. Of course, they only do that when in groups of at least 2. Thankfully, they are not from my class. Lucky for me, most of my classmates are cool (god knows what I would have gone thru if I had bullies in my class). But I'm almost afraid to go inside the class of friends from a parallel class, because I just KNOW someone will say something nasty. Even if I ignore me, it still hurts me a little bit on the inside. It's nice however to see that, from time to time, someone shuts them up (usually the friend I'm visitting, but once or twice it happened that some random girl told them to stfu). The way I walk, talk and gesture makes people think I'm gay. I believe. It's as if I bleep like mad on everyone's gaydar, lol!

As I said, I've only come out to two of my closest friends (except for my internet friends), both girls. I'm not sure, but I think that most of my male friends will be at least taken aback if I told them. As I previously noted, they will probably think I'll pounce them and start humping them right then and there, or at least that I'm wishing for that to happen. I can think of one or two who might not react badly, but it's still really hard to tell them, especially since I find, well, fancy one of them. He's just too cute not to fancy!

I live with my parents and my brother. I get along really well with mom+bro and quite well with dad. I'm pretty sure my bro will be okay with me being gay, but I'm not sure about mom and dad is definitely going to go nuts. Well, tbh, my bro most probably knows already that I'm gay, mainly because he caught me, uhm, well, having some fun once while I was alone. But he never mentioned it.
I kept hinting mom that I'm gay and, until recently, I was almost sure she was totally okay with it, almost encouraging me to open up. Now however, I think she might take it bad, at least initially. Why? A few weeks back, after me, bro and her finished lunch, bro asked her,at some point, what she thinks about gay couples that want to have children. She thought about it for a bit, then said that she has to think about it some more and that she'll answer later. Couple mins pass and bro goes to his room, I ask mom if she decided yet and she said something like "No, I'm not sure yet. I think I'm okay with it, even though gay people make me feel a bit distressed." It was a bit shocking for me, since I thought she was okay with them.

I've also dropped some hints to my brother. We discussed about how many people think me and my best friend are together (the one I came out two who took it bad at first). My brother said that we might be in a relationship one day, who knows, to which I calmly replied "No.". He wondered why, and I told him that there is a reason why we won't be together and that it's something related to me, and left it at that.

So, now I'm at sort of a stand still (a one man stand still, is that even possible?). I do now know what to do next. Should I come out to my bro first, then to my family (with his support)? Should I come out to more of my friends and/or my classmates? Should I wait until I meet someone and, once in a relationship, come out to family/friends, only coming out to my closest female friends? Should I keep lying/dodging the question "Are you gay or something?" (and similar ones; lying in case of acquaintances, dodging in case of friends because I absolutely loathe lying to my friends)? Should I just calmly answer with the truth to these questions? Should I interrupt and correct people (usually family or family friends&acquaintances) when they ask me if I have a girlfriend or when they are talking about me having a wife and/or children? So, so many choices, and none of them easy simply because people are so prejudiced against LGBT.

you have a really good point. the LGBT community needs people like you!
the gay parade is ridiculous! why does it have to have half naked people rubbing their butts everywhere?
why can't it be just a parade where there's awesome music, good food and fun games?
although i highly doubt my parents will hate me if i am gay (they're religious but very accepting)
but they would picture all the obscenities of such parades....
i really miss the old LGBT where everyone had some kind of sophistication.

I know exactly what you're talking about.

Each year a friend of mine is all like "You gonna walk in the pride parade this year?" and I reply "They gonna get rid of the leather freaks and the guy wearing a fucking diaper and nothing else? No? Then we'll talk again next year."

If you can't keep your own damn house clean, don't expect me to sit around in it...

smart man! you deserve a gold medal

This.

majorly.

This is the best panel so far! You should consider making this a poster. I especially like that the child isn't scared, but surprised and curious. Go go go, little lion cub! It's not too late to save yourself from indoctrination!

Oh, I do hope Reis doesn't mess it all up.

I wouldn't Say Faith or going to Church is "Indoctrination"
I'm Catholic, and I support Gay rights. Gee, it's funny how generalizations don't seem to work on a one on one basis.

I would say pushing a religion into a child's face when they're young and impressionable would count as indoctrination though.. Before they're able to decide things for themselves. Like my friend, he is thee lamest christian ever. Doesn't really care for it at all now that he's older, but there's still that small part inside of him that's scared of things like hell because of the young age that he was introduced to religion.

It's like Carlin says; " I was a Catholic untill the Age of Reason" In the end I think it should be left up to the child to choose in the end. Religion like all things is good in small doses.

Pah. Hahahaha. I was even THINKING of that quote when i was typing that. Good on you. RIP Carlin.

He was indeed a god among men, May his soul rest in peace.

Keep in mind, this child is being forced to attend a church that openly protests at the funerals of self-identified homosexuals. The only reason Marcus's group is doing ANYTHING to them is because of their direct action against a vulnerable family simply because they believed he "went to hell."

I'd say this group probably exists closer to a cult-like status than your basic church. The Westboro Baptist Church might be legally recognized as one, but the way it treats its members and family is so extreme, and their beliefs so radical, and their actions against vulnerable people and families so extreme, one must logically conclude that critical thinking and freedom of choice are not being taught there.

Same goes for this church that Marcus is returning protest to.

I think they meant the parents are indoctrinating the child. Not faith, per se, but highly religious families are often "my way or the highway" in terms of political and social views.

Agreed.

Do you support the nationwide legalization of same-sex marriage in the US?

I'm catholic, and I do..I also love me some condoms :D lol

How can you call yourself catholic when you're going against two of the most well-known official positions of the church?

Not that that's a bad thing at all. Catholic doctrine is fucking horrid. But still, you call yourself a Catholic, so what gives?

The catholic doctrine is so much more then those two points, those are the two that most non-Catholics hear the most about though. I still believe in the apostals creed and many of its other teachings. I don't think its for any one person to say "you aren't" something simply because you don't follow everything to a T. I know plenty of Catholics that realize some of the doctrine is archaic, such as condom or contraception usage..though I admit I'm quite alone in my pro-gay-marraige.

I also think Catholics, like most Christians, are doomed by zealots of our religion to be painted as hateful and close minded, when many of us are quite open minded and really just want to have our religion and eat our cake too (in this case, a gay marriage cake.) But you also won't find many of the open minded christian/Catholics speaking up for the exact reason of our religious believes being questioned. :(

I really do wish and hope the best for gay marriage to be passed. Everyone deserves the right to be happy with their loved one.

Full disclosure: I was born and raised Catholic, though due to shuffling around between schools a lot I never even reached my first communion.

I'm very happy that most Catholics don't follow the official current doctrine. And actually, a majority of Catholics do support marriage equality, from some polls I heard about.

I really really wish you and other Catholics would stand up to the church hierarchy and either help make some change, or leave in favor of a "better" church like UU.

Oh man, you need one of those shirts "I survived Catholic school". I wasn't raised Catholic, which might be partially why I'm so lenient. I married into it and ended up falling in love with the religion and converting.

Sadly, I think most Catholics are in too much 'awe' of the current hierarchy to do anything about it. I miss John Paul II. I think he was more with the times then the current pope.
The church has to change at some point. It can't stay in the past and expect to keep followers.

Best wishes. <3

Actually my experiences in Catholic schools were quite positive. Going to them from public schools nearly eliminated the bullying I got. But in no way do I attribute that to catholicism; it was likely more a product of expensive tuition weeding out all the poor kids, and thus kids from fucked up homes.

I don't mean to sound rude or anything, but what in the world is there to fall in love with?? Sure there are some pretty buildings, but I really don't see the appeal. Especially for somebody to convert TO it

Best wishes back. I wouldn't mind some good discussion on the matter!

I know you don't mean to sound rude, but it kind of is coming off as that...I'm not a sensitive person but when someone says why in the world would you believe that/what is there to like about that? it's kind of insulting.

Catholicism, despite all the fucking crazies, is a religion that promotes science and religion going along with science (I've lived in four different states and another country, and visited family in at least five other states, and found this to be true in every catholic church I've gone to save for two that were VERY old fashioned). It values personal inflection and ones' own relationship with God. It emphasizes people reach their own relationship with God, and that their own self discovery and reflections with God outweigh some of the more basic, archaic teachings of the church (such as things in the old testament, outdated things etc). I won't lie, the bible is pretty ridiculous. It's full of contradictions and different counts of different peoples' stories. That's why I don't consider the bible holy. It isn't a step by step process (I don't know really any catholic or any other religious person who looks at it in the literal sense of that way) and more of a guidelines about how to be a good person. Despite all the zealots and old fashioned people, the catholic church is actually very accepting as per other religions (baptists thinking all non baptists go to hell, mormons thinking only a set number of seats in heaven, muslim teaching telling them to try to convert everyone else) despite everything you hear. In the church I go to, the priest himself said he thinks that gay marriage shouldn't be a problem. Some of the people most involved in the church I go to (it's a fairly large church, too, over 3k people) are openly and proudly gay. There are people who are, of course very close minded. There are people like me who are very open and supportive of the LGBT community. The majority are just kind of passive about it (like my parents) and don't really agree with it, but have no problem with people being that way.

Why is it insulting to have your beliefs questioned?

The way you word it is. I have zero problem if people ask my what I believe or why, but if you approach it like 'why would you ever believe that because it has nothing to offer' which insinuates you think it's silly/useless (which it may be to you, but that's not the point), it's insulting.

You still haven't explained why it's insulting. I truly don't think catholicism has anything to offer that can't also be accomplished by non-religious means.

I just said word for word why it was insulting. I have zero problems it someone questions my beliefs. I do it all the time. It's the way you said it that was sort of insulting to me. And I agree, I don't think catholics can do anything better/worse just for simply being catholic. Religion doesn't define someone at all. Religion is a personal thing, someone's relationship with what they believe to be a higher entity. That is why it's insulting to make it out like it has nothing to offer to people or doesn't have its good sides. You don't like it, I'm cool with that. But to word it the way you do is the thing that really caught me off guard. THAT is what I said was insulting, not the content but the way it was given

I understand that it was the way I worded it that insulted you. But what about my wording insulted you?

And it appears you just contradicted yourself.

"And I agree, I don't think catholics can do anything better/worse just for simply being catholic"

vs

"...it's insulting to make it out like it has nothing to offer to people or doesn't have its good sides."

In the first statement, you're basically saying that catholicism doesn't change anything. But in the second statement, you say it's insulting to say that catholicism doesn't offer anything or have good ideas. How do you reconcile the two?

I've said about three times you made it seem like there is no reason ever for someone to like religion, and that in itself was insulting.

Religion or lack of does not make someone better or change what they do or can do. HOWEVER, it can offer personal growth, experience, and opportunities for people on a more personal, self level. Just like painting for some people can offer that. Or for others meditation or yoga can do that. People who do those aren't better than those who do not do those things, but it offers some personal benefit whether physical, emotional, or spiritual. Please, stop trying to make this out into some huge debate and pick straws that aren't there...

It's not my problem that my viewpoint insults you. I argue that there is absolutely no reason ever for someone to like religion because I see it to be the truth. There is nothing that religion offers that can only be found in religion. And given that theist/supernatural religions cannot stand the test of evidence, nobody should use religion as a reason for anything whatsoever.

Again. Not my problem if my rational viewpoint somehow insults you. Perhaps that's a defense mechanism that you need to further examine.

Or maybe you should stop being such a rude, bigoted, and narrow minded person who can't admit that others get something out of religion and stop seeing your personal opinions as fact. I don't care that you don't like religion, I fully can understand why people feel that way. You said you didn't mean to insult, and I said it came off as insulting, and offered my opinions. Though now I'm relatively sure from your behavior here that you could not care less about the feelings of others. I'm not going to sit here and have someone passive aggressively insult me and try to badger me into some debate just to disprove my religion.

Your religion hasn't been proven in the first place, so I have no desire to disprove it.

I could indeed care less about the feelings of others. That implies that I have some care that could be lessened.

I think we're done here, though.

Agree. No sense talking to you when you just want to pick fights and are close minded and abrasive to people who have different opinions.

"Closed minded" is not an accurate accusation. My mind is open to anything reasonable!

I do have to agree the wording you used is a bit insulting, even if you put "I don't' mean to sound rude" in front of it. You basically are expecting everyone to be 100% accepting of the things you want them to be accepting of, but then are completely closed minded and very judgmental in the same breath towards another group of people.

I enjoy the religion for the same reason most people enjoy their religions. The rituals, the sermons, the songs, and that after all of the different types of Christianity I've tried, Catholicism is the only one where when I walk into the sanctuary I actually FEEL God.

Anyway. I personally don't want to discuss this anymore on Rukis page. Thanks for a good discussion :)

Sure sure. Hit me up on IM sometime if you want to discuss more in private! I'd be up for it.

On the other hand I went to a catholic school, and that put me off Christianity for life.

I was always curious child and never excepted anything at face value, they really hated that...

I am the exact same way. Raised catholic, don't know whether I consider myself catholic or just christian at this point, and I am a huge supported of gay rights. And many people just in my church alone are LGBT or supportive of people who are.

Indoctrination? So the lions are working for the reapers then?

Oh $DEITY!$, I laughed harder than I should have...

i have to say this...
first of all
the way u draw is beautiful it invokes emotion in the characters
u feel what they r feeling
the color is fantastic
i also like ur story
great job dude

not sure what's going on here... a reverse Westboro ploy?

I'll be dead honest, they don't look all that threatening, and that's not even gay bashing.

I don't think the point is for them to be "intimidating", as they're not trying to start a physical altercation, but rather get -their- viewpoint across in the same medium they did.

Whether or not that's the "right" way to handle such a conflict, however, is still very much a matter of debate.

The point is to embarrass him and get it in the news so he'll lose the Senate race.

This is really starting to get very interesting

Rukis' comics will do that to you. x3

I sence trouble

I love reading your Comics.

Aye. They're great. c:

He looks so determined in his lil outfit. ^.^

Oooooooooo giant bird............of severe determination!!!!!!

Frigging Marcus. Reis, taaalk him down.

wow great page you made there :D

Ah FUCK! Why'd it have to be a lion?!

well i gotta say the page looks amazing to me

i just hope he will be okay because you can smell the problems just looking at the last panel

watch out markus ....

The eagle, OMG, the eagle!

Looks great. This could either go surprisingly well, very badly, or just be really damn frustrating to watch.

I knew it rukis isn't a fan of sexy lions

Wee~ *bi-five.* :B

Step 1: Make a comment with formatting that looks wonky
Step 2: Repost it, looks better now
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EVERYTHING I DO TO CLEAN UP THE MESS JUST MAKES A BIGGER ONE

But yes, yay :D

pff. You bugger. x3

That goat is cute.

Oh, just noticed the chest.

That goat is still cute.

(I love being bi)
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I feel like they should have ignored the funeral thing. Doesn't this make them just as bad or somethin like that?

I have a feeling this is going to end badly

Lol fast way to make this page creepy as hell.

Imagine all the characters as humans holding those signs XD

This²

This movement is comming in the not to distant future like it or not, l can assure you of this. What's most interesting to me is many of whom are now very negative on the issue will be postive for it soon as a momentum begins to turn. I guarantee it!

Dude, I'm sorry, but every single one of your posts makes me worried for the gay rights movement. It's messages like that that your opponents will use to show how terrible you really are.

Fighting for your rights is admirable, and I'd never discourage you from it. But you're borderline threatening at this point. Don't make yourself out to be the villain here.

If it makes me a terrible person for telling the truth so be it! Honestly I don't care if I come off as being brash, I don't sugar coat anything friend! It is what it is and one day others will wake up!

I didn't say to sugar coat anything. I didn't even say to tone it down. But when you start making threats like that, you're no better than your opponents. You can't claim to be victimized if you turn around and do the same thing back to them. They'll just use it as proof of their message, and that does nothing but hurt your cause.

In short,fight for your rights, but don't stoop to their level.

I've been protesting in the streets for various causes for over 20 years. Some like my message and some don't. I've I've gotten the shit kicked out of me, I'm been locked up, and even spit on but I've never backed down, given in, or quit all together. It's cost me jobs and caused issues with my family in the past. But I'll never stop! In the end all of this will be justified even if it's not clear at this point.

I get the feeling you're misunderstanding what I'm saying.

No, I understand what your saying just fine. I'm just telling you that I've been doing what I'm doing your whole life (if your profile info is correct.) You and others might see me as the bad guy, and so be ii if you do; but I'll never lay down and allow others to win with out fighting to my last breath!

No, I'm sorry, but you really don't. And if you've been like this for as long as you say, then there's really no hope.

Love me or hate me. I don't care. But when everyone is equal I want for you to remember those who have faught long and hard for it.

I'll remember that people fought, but not anyone in particular. You sound like you'glory-seeking now.

Not at all. I speak for everyone who does more than complain on the the Internet.

No, you don't. You speak for yourself and your close-knit group. Don't claim to speak for everyone if you don't know everyone's opinions.

don't even bother wasting your breath to him. he is too pig headed to understand. you should just go ahead and do the cool things you would normally do...

Yeah, figured that out abot the time he mentioned 20 years. Everything after that was just fucking around with him.

I love arguing with activists xD

Yes har har har. Your awesome. It's always people like you who set on there asses while others battle. Congratulations you should be proud.

Very proud, actually. Thanks for caring <3

Also, who said I don't fight?

Oh I'm sure you don't! I'm almost certain your one of those types who walk around with a chip on there shoulder. Making snide comments directed at ativictes proves that. ;) Anyway you have your self a lovely day as I'm done with you and your friend with down syndrome above. ^_^

Personal insult involving something that someone is born with being used as a euphamism for stupidity? Oh my.

Nope, this isn't a double standard at all.

Even if you don't read this, I'd like it put out there: you're living in a new age. The rules of engagement have changed. If you can't adapt your tactics, then your cause has no hope.

Your right that was in poor taste. My apologies. What I meant to say sophomoric nonsensical idiot friend above.
Cheers!

do you often get picked up by morons who want everything made fluffy and frilly? I like your blunt attitude, and if you're telling the truth and you really do those things you claim to with the consequences you claim happened then you have my backing.

Thank you! I'm glad someone here understands.

Also, I like arguing with activists because they never back down. They're fun debate partners. I have nothing against their causes.

....this.

your a dumb ass who clearly missed the point of the comment .O.

LOL So says some random kid half my age. Next!

I like how you constantly insult people for being younger. Yes, wisdom comes with age, but it's disgusting of a person to discount the views and experiences of others just because you're older than they are. Very condescending and insulting to others.

Humm ya think it could be that they were being childish and rather insulting to start with?

Besides this guy, almost none of them were.

Read more closely then. I don't go around and tell people life's ice cream and cookies simply because it's not. The world is not black and white like some here think. If people can't handle being talked to honestly and without bullshit mixed in I'm sorry.

I'm done here now if no one else has any future objections.

Cheers!

So you think telling them they can't offer input/experiences just because they're younger is being talked to honestly? I consider that being elitist and condescending. Cheers, yourself.

No love. I never once disallowed another's input. I may not of agreed with what they had to say and may not even reply back with a direct answer, but I've not stopped anyone as you claiming. The only ones I've called kids were in fact children. And furthermore it was the name calling or bad attitudes such as your's right now that gave me reason to call them such. Understand?

> 'Again kiddo I'm older, wiser, and have been through much more than you have I can assure you!'

If that's not condescending and conceited, I don't know what is. Never mind it. You clearly are one one those people who disregard other peoples' advice, experiences, and opinions just because they are not as old as you are. Which is really a shame, because you don't have to be old to have good input, ideas, or advice.

Again, if your going to act childish I'm going to treat you like a child.

Lion family <3

that thrith panel is going to be an instant hit if you animate it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK_CKtYCRIc

omg he looks all adorable with his vest and earings

fail v.v

* Two Steps Backwards Patrol

The way Marcus is standing there gives him something just.. badass :p

I love the lion family, they look great!

I was also going to say that the eagle dude looks great, but on closer inspection; is the eagle wearing a dress in the bottom pannel? If so; awesome that you didn't cutsey-up her kickass beak just for the sake of trying to make her more 'feminine'!

I'm already liking the Lions because judging from their faces, they are not for all that equality stuff. *High fives the lions*

dont know what im looking forward to more. what action this protest will bring or how this will effect and be reflected by our two main characters. Love those parts of your storyies Rukis

Oh my, lion verse a Crowed! Watch Out Mr Lion they might spin rainbows at you!

Errrrr... White balance has nothing to do with the glare on the camera. White balance makes sure that colours are captured accurately.
For nerdy sounding video stuff, I recommend

What are we like on media?
It's a fresh card, so about two hours.

Is exposure okay?
We're clipping a bit in the highlights, but skin is at 60%

You can even go really simple.

Did you charge up the battery?
Yup. Fresh off the charger.



Glare and white balance have no relation to each other. There are much cooler sounding words that you can use that make sense.
You asked a cop about cpcs in cruelty, ask a video guy about a camera.

I actually went to, and graduated from, film school, and we white-balanced whenever we were dealing with direct sunlight, because sunlight tends to filter the entire image towards blue. Sunlight = glare, in this particular conversation. . . a literal glare would have more to do with an F stop, but I figured that might be a bit TOO technical for some folks, and best not to nerd out.

Okay, first off, wow. I didn't know you went to film school.

Second. Glare is light reflecting off of a shiny object and into the lens of the camera affecting contrast and exposure, not colour. It just irks as it's a common line used by script writers to make someone sound like a knowledgeable person.

Also, F stop is too nerdy, but white balance is fine? They're about the same amount of nerdy to me, but okay. You're the writer, not me.

Of course all of this is pretty moot, considering the camera he's using is not some PD150 he'd be manually adjusting (although it's been five years since I've been in film school, so they might be HORRIBLY out-of-date now). I based it on a little shit camera mostly used by tourists. Odds are, everything's on auto.

Yeah, the last time I used a PD series camera was 3-4 years ago. It's kind of a dead camera at this point. I've seen them on Ebay for under $500.

If everything's on auto, why is he adjusting white balance? XP

Anyway, we should talk nerd sometime.

Honestly, I didn't think too much about it. . . and Marcus is actually not supposed to know what he's talking about. Notice he asked about the mic. . . like *anyone* uses anything but a cordless mic anymore. To be honest, I didn't think anyone would care :P

I was an animation major. I took four years of hardcore film classes, though. . . requirement for the major. I'll admit, at this point, a lot of it has probably seeped away, but it was certainly an. . . experience. The part about film work I honestly enjoyed the most was sound design and editing, honestly. Film shoots drove me crazy, cuz of all the technical jargon. And we usually shot with 250s, which are heavy as BALLS. I'd usually puss out and just handle the boom :P

Damit, Marc can you sink any lower!? I'm so disappointed with Mar's character development. Something's just so odd here.

SO happy to see some female characters here! :D Especially love that goat!

I'm excited to read more of this story. Keep up the great work!

Call me strange, but I like these character flaws in Marcus.

So, I'ma take a risk and say that the look on that family's face hurts my heart. I might have a habbit of reading to much into thngs, but I don't think that they are the kind of people who walk around trying to bash homosexuals, that's their bastard of a pastor. However, they are the ones about to be confronted about it, have their beliefs questioned, attacked, and be made to feel unsafe. And you know, as wrong as what the pastor did was, what gives these people the right to perpetuate it? Do they not realize that fear only begets more fear, blood only begets more blood? If someone attacks your beliefs, and you up the antie and attack them back, are you not only handing them ammunition to once again launch at you? This whole page made me hurt on so many levels... I hope, one day, that things I write can have this sort of effect on other people... Bravo!

I have to say all the other stories Rukis has done tended to have major lighting and tones throughout most of the story, like Red Lantern for example has alot of scenes that are in dim lit places with warm tones, or outdoor night scenes, which are a nice touch but this one is interesting since the scenes are very brightly and naturally lit, gives it a bit of a different feel and makes me feel like the story could go anywhere The look feels a bit more clean and modern

oh uh it starts

Shots about to get real

They would retain the moral high ground by not doing this, but I understand why they're doing it. But they have to know there's a good chance someone will end up physically injured before all is said and done and that's a sad thing.

Also, been seeing a lot of vests lately. Are those...back?

oh, please.... everyone wants to beat the shit out of every other guy walking down the street these days...

here it comes!

i love that you posted this on easter ;D
im fine with protests like this as long as they stay friendly.
but this also explains why marc wanted to have reis there...

That otter is SO CUTE. :D

^^ I know right^^ When I saw him I was like, "OTTUR!!!" hehe

I love this page, and i LOVE that goat!

*facepalm* This won't end well.....

Does someone doing anything stupid in a Rukis Comic end well?

nope

My point exactly. And because we know who the hot headed one is, we know who will throw the first punch.

could someone please tell me his livestream thing?

Oh my, I can't help but guess at exactly HOW the shit's gonna hit the fan here O8