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Greetings, citizens!
We've been listening to feedback, reviewing concerns and going over comments, journals, tickets and threads on the forums. And in turn, we've made some significant changes to the site's policies. Nearly all policies have also been adjusted with changes in wording and in some cases application. Please make sure you familiarize yourself with the updated policies, which will go into effect 8/19/2015.
== The Biggest Change
First and foremost: we added a new section to almost all of the policies called "In Plain English". While the main policy still applies, these are the most important aspects of the rules boiled down for quick consumption. Fur Affinity has a massive audience that spans the globe and sometimes the legalese can be a bit daunting. No more!
== What We've Added
"Goods being sold through submissions may only be user-created or handcrafted items."
We call this the "Etsy Rule". If you made it, post away, sell it! However, if you're clearing out your attic and are posting a virtual yard sale through submissions we'll politely you ask you to cease. Feel free to post your "for sale" items in journals!
== What We've Removed
AUP: "Variations of content are limited to 3 in the Gallery Folder. Further variations must be uploaded to the Scraps Folder."
It's your gallery. Upload variations as you see fit. If your followers do not like or appreciate what you're submitting they can vote with their +Watch. This gives power back both to artists and their followers as we believe our users are capable of choosing who they continue to watch based on the content they post.
AUP: "Self-portraits are limited to 3 uploads per account, unless the subject is wearing a costume."
FA has grown from a mere art site to an artistic community with a huge social group. Nobody wants the Selfie Police to knock on their door, and as such, we are no longer going to play that role.
AUP: "Images of mass manufactured items or collections of said items, including both modified or stock items (such as cars, guns with or without attachments, toys, plates), are restricted to the Scraps Folder and limited to no more than 3 per item or collection."
Users can now post a bit more of their personality to the site without fear.
AUP: "Photography of random body parts that does not specifically showcase tattoos, custom jewelry, or body art is prohibited."
This rule has been removed and has ceased to be.
COC: "Flooding is when you upload more than 10 submissions or 5 journals in a 24 hour period."
Users may now upload appropriate content to their galleries without worrying about hitting an artificial limit.
Among the changes, this also permits fursuiters wearing costumes (bathing suits, shorts, etc) to post without confusion.
We have also added a new Changelog Wiki with all posted changes so you can compare and contrast the differences in the documents. The Changelog can be found here: https://changelogs.furaffinity.net/
The previous copies of the TOS, COC and AUP can be found here:
http://help.furaffinity.net/article.....rvice-TOS.html
http://help.furaffinity.net/article.....nduct-COC.html
http://help.furaffinity.net/article.....olicy-AUP.html
We've been listening to feedback, reviewing concerns and going over comments, journals, tickets and threads on the forums. And in turn, we've made some significant changes to the site's policies. Nearly all policies have also been adjusted with changes in wording and in some cases application. Please make sure you familiarize yourself with the updated policies, which will go into effect 8/19/2015.
== The Biggest Change
First and foremost: we added a new section to almost all of the policies called "In Plain English". While the main policy still applies, these are the most important aspects of the rules boiled down for quick consumption. Fur Affinity has a massive audience that spans the globe and sometimes the legalese can be a bit daunting. No more!
== What We've Added
"Goods being sold through submissions may only be user-created or handcrafted items."
We call this the "Etsy Rule". If you made it, post away, sell it! However, if you're clearing out your attic and are posting a virtual yard sale through submissions we'll politely you ask you to cease. Feel free to post your "for sale" items in journals!
== What We've Removed
AUP: "Variations of content are limited to 3 in the Gallery Folder. Further variations must be uploaded to the Scraps Folder."
It's your gallery. Upload variations as you see fit. If your followers do not like or appreciate what you're submitting they can vote with their +Watch. This gives power back both to artists and their followers as we believe our users are capable of choosing who they continue to watch based on the content they post.
AUP: "Self-portraits are limited to 3 uploads per account, unless the subject is wearing a costume."
FA has grown from a mere art site to an artistic community with a huge social group. Nobody wants the Selfie Police to knock on their door, and as such, we are no longer going to play that role.
AUP: "Images of mass manufactured items or collections of said items, including both modified or stock items (such as cars, guns with or without attachments, toys, plates), are restricted to the Scraps Folder and limited to no more than 3 per item or collection."
Users can now post a bit more of their personality to the site without fear.
AUP: "Photography of random body parts that does not specifically showcase tattoos, custom jewelry, or body art is prohibited."
This rule has been removed and has ceased to be.
COC: "Flooding is when you upload more than 10 submissions or 5 journals in a 24 hour period."
Users may now upload appropriate content to their galleries without worrying about hitting an artificial limit.
Among the changes, this also permits fursuiters wearing costumes (bathing suits, shorts, etc) to post without confusion.
We have also added a new Changelog Wiki with all posted changes so you can compare and contrast the differences in the documents. The Changelog can be found here: https://changelogs.furaffinity.net/
The previous copies of the TOS, COC and AUP can be found here:
http://help.furaffinity.net/article.....rvice-TOS.html
http://help.furaffinity.net/article.....nduct-COC.html
http://help.furaffinity.net/article.....olicy-AUP.html
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A funny thing is Poe's law. ;)
Things keeps changing over and over randomly. ><
The admin base is so lackadaisical.
And you know what's funny? Only AFTER the new AUP and the like get going do I see admins like CHASE finally responding to tickets with the same bullshit questionaire from tickets made nearly TWO YEARS AGO.
The admins on here need to be let go: they're like a cancer to a body stricken with AIDS.
This rule has been removed and has ceased to be.
So...people can post their genitals again? Great...
/s
I have nothing against people with a foot-fetish, hell I have one- but that doesn't mean that I want to see everyone's filthy human feet everywhere. X.x
If someone really wants to post those then post them on Coiledfist or a foot fetish forum/site or something, FA is NOT the place for that. =/
...And it's called the 'kickass', because sometimes the world really is a magically wonderful place.
It's mainly for people who post their feet, which to each their own I guess, but I really, REALLY wish I could filter that shit out because I don't wanna see people's gross feet all over my front page (along with many other things...please add a filter? Please?)
Can these people start blogs or something for this type of shit
Even if they add a fuckin' filter, they won't tag their shit anyways and I'll end up seeing it.
Almost wanna put SFW on when browsing front-page, but most people don't seem to know how to select that properly either, so it doesn't even matterrrr
This site frustrates me XD
Please don't act condescending if you're not bothering to try and understand my post, as what you think I meant makes no sense
I've been here for at least 2 years I know how FA sorts the front page
I just wish it wasn't a thing xD
I just wish I didn't see it every time I loaded up the website because it isn't my thing. An easy fix to this is being able to filter out tags on the site, like pretty much every other furry site, but it still hasn't happened and this one has been around for ages. It's pretty disappointing.
They have the right to do it. I reaaaally don't care that much. I just wish I didn't HAVE to see it every time I loaded up the front page. It's not so big of a deal that I'd do anything drastic to change it, though.
Also.
This thread is getting old. ♥
I am more okay with that than 40% of this website's 'art'. There's a lot of weird and low quality shit on here.
Types in "deer character"
Gets images of everything butt.
I literally cannot see the interest in it, either.
But not all of us chose to have the fetish, I've had the urge to wear my entire life and can't just turn it off. There are going to be assholes in all walks of life.
Also, how is people posting pics of humans supposed to belong on furry site? This is not facebook.
Though I admit I do like hairy gutted guys. Paint me weird.
Doesn't mean other people do though XD
Also not as many posts on e621 than on here.
It's not even close. Only 6 tags allowed per search, and the more tags you ad the slower the site-search gets? If that's your idea of perfect, ouch.
I'll stick with my unlimited tag search and intelligent recommendation system that learns what I do and don't like and won't show me the stuff I don't like when I ask for new art to get recommended to me.
e621 will never get that feature!
This is gonna be a nightmare.
"Art site"
If an artist needs reference pictures, they aren't hard to find on the internet from quality resources and sites. This is silly.
I don't get how those things can be considered "art", but that's up for debate, though the least that could be done is tag filters. (Though it's not like these guys would even tag their stuff, most of them WANT their fetish pics to be seen by everybody.)
I really don't wanna see fetish photos when I'm just trying to view art.
You could also try (though it would likely not weed out all the content you don't want to see, at least it should reduce it some) appending -human to your search.
It wasn't a site made for human sex/fetish.
Now it's allowed, is this a reason to be adding disgusting ads?
3.3 Photography depicting nudity (exposed buttocks, breasts, bulges, outlines of genitalia, etc.) or indecently-clothed models (undergarments, diapers, lingerie, etc.) is prohibited. Exceptions may be made for swimsuits worn in public locations, such as a pool or beach.
so any news if a name change feature is in the future ^^?
Now that those IMVU chaps have purchased the site, with their enormous corporate server farms and all, data storage is no longer much of an issue.
I'm sad to see the 3 selfie rule gone. Need blocking features like Inkbunny! Create a list of everything you don't want to see, and it will hide the submission altogether, or replace the thumbnail with a big X, so you know its on your "Do-Not-Want" list and can avoid having to look at it.
BUTTS.in other news, I hugged a building
This made me giggle
Better leave the choice in the hands of the users than forcing things upon them :3
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But most of this is pretty cool.
Come off it, this is fooling nobody.
You can't even address individual trouble tickets in any timely fashion. If you expect us to believe you're going to be any more effective policing site submissions given prior history, you're only fooling yourself.
Guess what? With the way FA is built, you can't stop your pictures from being leaked by anybody. There are already site parsers out there that get direct links to FA images. It doesn't matter if you've got them blocked or not. With the raw image URL the site doesn't give two damns about who is logged in or not, it will display those images.
Even if you could somehow stop them from doing that, they could just as easy camp somewhere like Fchan or e621.
but here on FA? it really is. as long as you don't have to see or hear from the person you blocked that's all that really matters right? out of sight and out of mind. if they make it obvious they made a new acct to get around it you can get them banned sure but if not and they simply lurk (maybe they just like your art style who knows?) than what is the big deal?
I had an issue earlier with a post of mine that landed in a grey area of that policy and would like to see that one better defined. (My issue was resolved btw)
First and foremost: we added a new section to almost all of the policies called "In Plain English". While the main policy still applies, these are the most important aspects of the rules boiled down for quick consumption. Fur Affinity has a massive audience that spans the globe and sometimes the legalese can be a bit daunting. No more!"
I think I was suggesting this like 5 years ago
Matt Horner: True, sir.This rule has been removed and has ceased to be.
But....but why? ;u; It was such a good rule.
Y'know, aside from gaping wounds people for some reason looooove to share. :/ There's no reason for it and clutters up submissions.
obviously the only place people get art on this site is in their inbox and unwatching people fixes everything. no one ever browses the front page :P
its a damn art site. a furry art site. for art of furries. not random photos of whatever shit people want to post. thats what tumblr and facebook and all the furry facebook alternatives are for. and thats exactly why i, and a lot of people i know, dont use them and DO use fa. we're here to see furry art or skillful photography whether amateur or professional that often also focuses on animals. not random ass cellphone pics of whoever and fetish fuel snaps of feet and bellies and shit. its stupid on deviantart and its just as stupid here lmao
people use the site differently and everyones usage of it should be taken into consideration.
Imagine opening facebook.com or twitter.com and first seeing a hairy dude showing his sweaty feet. Even if you or a tiny minority only check your inbox, I guarantee the majority who does will naturally complain.
That'd be pretty cool! Oooh you could even do things where artists can submit front page art like the banner!
But i'm going to agree to disagree here. I don't think the front page is enough of a problem for someone to hold an issue with it. If it is, this is why I said the splash page. I don't see people on the front page enough for them to cause and issue, and someone else's profile page is their profile page. I don't often like everything someone's favoriting either, WITHOUT them having human things to attribute to them. I'm not about to sit here and ban every single thing I dislike because i dislike it.
But no. I wasn't being sarcastic. Holy hell! You guys need to realize intent is hard to manage through text and if you think someone's coming off wrong, maybe the best thing to do is ask first instead of instantly going "you're being a sarcastic ass"
Having a splash page would help with more than just this issue as it'd let people who look up FA without an account see nothing but that artwork and doesn't get blasted with the stuff that was already okay here that may be unsavory or not tagged properly.
lol wow dude. Can't even have an opinion here. People have to take some sort of personal issue with it.
I just feel like it's not the job of the rest of the world to keep you from seeing something you don't like. That's all. And I feel like unwatching or employing filters is enough to hide the things, which is exactly what I'm going to be doing. Just because I don't mind the change doesn't mean I'm going to like everything that comes with it and just like you, I dno't want to see feet splashed on my page. But I'm just going to move on. I'll see it for two seconds and move on with my life. Why does feet have to ruin someone's time here? Or anything really? It's the same stuff that's been going on. You see something you don't like the best thing would be to just move along. Why do you have to be upset you saw a thing for twenty seconds before you clicked away from it? Or are people just staring at stuff being offended?
I do disagree with the bottom part, people are often on FA because they choose to see furries, so deviating from the theme is naturally upsetting for others.
But for the first part, I'm very sorry if I upset you with my message!
It realize I it looked really bad, I'm very very sorry I got it wrong. Apologies!!
And it's totally cool we can agree to disagree! I can see why flipping the script would be upsetting for people, I totally get that. I guess I just see it as a new exciting change and chalking up the bad posts I see to any other weird thing I see on here. lol
Why argue semantics rather than my point?
This means people could post pics of their SPH fursuits without suspicion.
murrsuiters think their private and elitism is rampant.
ive met like two murrsuiters that are cool. the rest arent worthy of my time.
have you ever tried fucking an elmo doll? thats whatt it feels like, its meh.
Check out my Scraps; I've got a photo of the ones I have so far <3 (Rathalos, Rathian, Golden Rathian, Lagiacrus, Gravimos, Seregios, Khezu, Kut-Ku, and Tigrex - Najarala and Brachydios just bought from PlayAsia, with Chameleos and Nargacuga wishlisted)
you can post more images per day than before.
images of objects are generally more allowed.
mostly expansions of freedom- the only new limitation is on selling things you did not make on your own.
and all the foot fetishists rejoice. ugh...
they're free to post those things, it would just be nicer if there were a way to limit how much appears(there are some people that tend to post with no tags, but a good portion does use tags which is nice).
That would be too little, too late. First off, the artists can't even be bothered to properly tag their own stuff (let alone find at least 8 good tags to associate with an image.) Second off, people suggest all sorts of stupid tags all the time, and that's simply a waste of resources trying to police that.
To make it a good feature, they should also add a way to highlight or follow certain tags and block the ones you don't like. It would give artists a good reason to properly tag their pieces if there was a tag gallery, so their images might get more viewers that way.
People not filling out their tags, gender, themes, species or even title/description has got to be one of the biggest pet peeves I have on FurAffinity. It's not even just the casual users doing it, many big names here also can't be bothered.
I can't even recall the amount of times I spent hours looking for a specific image that I knew the theme and context off, but not the artist or characters. Most of the time when this occurs it revolves around a picture that hasn't been properly tagged.
Sorry for the tangent, sensitive frustrating topic.
There is a difference between a harassment callout journal and an Artist/Commissioner Beware post.
I'd like to be able to warn people without having the journal removed for 'calling out'
That said, FA does work with Artist's Beware to watch out for and verify issues where artists are causing damage.
CelestinaKetzia from A_B here. I can confirm this. FA helps us once in a while to look into issues, but we will never ask for them to violate the privacy of FA users.
I've seen you A_B writers do EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE that for well over a decade; who the heck are you trying to fool?
Edit: And seeing as I am the mod who currently primarily interacts with FA staff, no, I will not ask for any user's personal information. That is none of our business. Livejournal gives us the tools we need to attempt to ID people (IP addresses), and if we can't, then that's that.
That doesn't stop the witchhunts you continue to perpetrate.
"Livejournal gives us the tools we need to attempt to ID people (IP addresses)"
You should pay attention to the courts and actual IT/Comp. Sci. more. IP addresses do not identify a person. They only identify a piece of hardware on a network. You weren't assigned an IP address at birth, were you? No? Okay, then you aren't getting identified by IP address.
We take reports of harassment very seriously. The main goal of A_B is to act like a yelp of the artist and buyer community. We reject plenty of posts that just do not meet our standards.
I am aware of how IP addresses work thank you. The condescension is not necessary, however that is the only means we have available. Hence the statement that we would never ask FA staff to violate privacy. If we can't figure out who is who... well, that's that.
If you need any further clarification on how we operate I will be more than happy to discuss any concerns you have.
Yet you still fail at the most basic level by allowing the posts in the first place. I have yet to see any attempt at vetting information within a post before allowing it to be posted. In fact, your verification of information happens after the fact, and that alone causes unreasonable damage to ones reputation. That is not how to operate. One would think after over a decade you guys would've figured this out by now.
Our verification does not happen after the fact.
The reason you don't see it is simply because it happens behind the scenes.
If all someone does is post a warning journal with a link to an actual A_B article how is this just rumors? A_B fact checks, and many complaints are even dismissed and never posted if there isn't enough proof. By all means suspend someone or delete their journal if they're just throwing around a name and saying 'this person sux'. But if they have an A_B article and screenshots, I fail to see how this is someone just slinging drama mud.
They make sure it isn't harassment, no personal data is given, that the proof is solid and shows a solid case, etc...
But here on FA there is no way to set up this reviewal system.
All bewares would be a journal or art post, and then FA would have to filter through all of them, approve each journal, post, art, etc... before they appear, and take away their time from improving the site, handling reports, and so forth.
So the smartest bet is to direct people to A_B to do so, since they are setup to handle such things.
On here, it could be easily abused and names could be ruined with no proof because of someone more popular aka white knights, simple hate, etc... without a system in place to check each call out, chaos could happen.
But.
If all a warning journal was is 'this person. this is what happened to me. this is the A_B article about it. be careful' where's the problem? There's a difference between going 'dood sux, weh' and 'here's an unbiased, facts only post about what happened'. A_B isn't in the business of spreading drama, they're there to help. So why is it wrong for users to spread an A_B article to help others? Not sure if you even noticed but in my post before I said I was all for deleting journals or suspending or whatever people who just post 'weh, drama' journals without proof. Besides, journals/art only gets looked at if they manage to actually do their jobs and look at trouble tickets. And all they'd have to do for these types of journals is check to see if an A_B link/post is present. Problem solved. Deal with white knights secondarily and separately since they're taking things into their own hands to harass someone, which isn't alright.
At least it's improving in some ways
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What does this mean for raffles that artists post? Originally it was not allowed for them to require a journal to be posted. Does it now mean that it's against the COC to post a journal advertising someone else's raffle??????
Then what's the point of even having a site MEANT TO EXPOSE ARTISTS?
Literally, this runs against any common sense. Users can't direct traffic to them? Hi, this is the INTERNET. Other users directing traffic to links they like is EXACTLY WHAT DRIVES THE INTERNET IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Wow. I'm absolutely astounded. It's like common sense has abandoned the userbase and administration.
The rule doesn't say you can't share another artist to raise awareness: It says you can't pay them to do so.
So it is now illegal to post a journal advertisement, even if it is not asked for?
they can offer rewards for reposts if they choose to, that is up to them as a whole. -REQUIRING- it is the part that would get the artist/s into trouble as it's promoting spam. :)
hope that helps clarify your confusion on it there dude. ^^/
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I think you're asking too much.
It was lagging like shit.
3000 comments and everything
3630+ comments on a single journal at any given time.
So the person made another journal, continuing this raffle and it's stopped running I believe.
Another 1000 or so comments on the newer one.
What a shit storm that was.
I didn't join it, money meant greed.
And I think greed is bad, it makes you feel powerful, but on the inside.
What does it make you in the end?
And if I should, it was 2 years ago when this happened.
They should add that in some update soon~
in any case the i think it would cut down on people making alt accts when they wanna change their name because it would be so much simpler. you wouldn't have to start over with no followers and anyone who is following you could simply get a notice in it's own section in their inbox saying: This User (insert name here) has changed their username to (insert name here) to avoid all the confusion and than maybe implement a penalty for changing it again like maybe having to wait a week or so before the option is available again to keep people from abusing the system.
hand reference images :D
Plus, its just a nice thing to have a reference photo of certain things, even if you dont REALLY need it all that much. And besides, some people just prefer using reference photos more than anything else. 8/
I have small and thin hands compared to the rest of my family so my hands are not the best reference if I draw male hands.
I kind of preferred that one as it was before. Selfies are alright but what would be the point of taking pictures of body parts (besides fetishism)?
Man, it must be weird to live in a world without mirrors or functional eyeballs to see the body parts already built-into your body.
I do art. Music, Tribal, Culinary, and Photography, and as none of that is furry, it doesn't belong here AND THUS WOULD NOT GET POSTED HERE. Way to assume you know me, who I am, or what I may or may not do.
Who's the brainless and insensitive one, here? I'm not the one looking like an ass by assuming. You also fail at detecting sarcasm.
You have zero moral or ethical standing ground for your position. Get lost.
You most certainly are assuming, RIGHT THERE.
Each body is different. Only based on more or less the same rules, but still the final 'product' is different. We're not even symmetrical! :)
I look at the front page very often because I usually find new and interesting artists to watch from there, but every now and then I see things that I wish I hadn't seen - like photos of real-life babyfurs, photos of picture's throats or dirty feet, et cetera. FA allows fetish art to their site (which I'm okay with, since most of the times they are flagged accordingly and I don't get to see those because I've got the filter on) and not real life pictures of said fetishes, but with the rule they just took out I'm afraid people will just skip that because photos of body parts are allowed again.
or don't post fake 'I'm leaving journals/submissions' to reel in people to comment
:P
Yet FA staff consistently manages to violate that almost every time they speak!
Hooray for equal enforcement of the rules! \o/
But, be happy, you can now watch the feet and belly pics of random peoples.... Such a very great and helpful change.
(Unless I'm remembering wrong, any staff is free to pop in and correct me on this)
When you create an account on most sites, your identity is stored internally as a number. All kinds of things are then attached to this number, including your username.
On FA, your username is the number, and everything about your account is attached to your username. You can't change the primary identifier for your account and still keep everything else intact.
So as I understand it, yes - a major site recode is the only solution.
On another site, you might be known internally, by the server, as "user 5382475". Everything about your account - your display preferences, your favorites, your list of comments and messages, your submissions, and your username - is filed on the server under "user 5382475". If you change your username, the new name is simply attached to "user 5382475", as the old one was; when you log on, you are actually logging on to "user 5382475" even if you do so via your email address and password; and when you display anything, the new username shows up instead of the old one, because all you have changed is a "tag" attached to your identity.
As for the failed promises, I can't speak to that, but I suspect that the kind of basic redesign necessary to change everyone's username from being the internal identifier, to just being another item attached to that identifier, is one hell of a project.
We want to implement it eventually, but it's not as simple of a feature as it may seem at first.
The new policies were originally supposed to be pushed then, as well, however the final reviews of wording etc by other admins slowed that down by a day. The reason they weren't posted is literally this. Pushing policy updates on no sleep is not a good idea in general.
Last I heard folders were very close to being done, coding-wise. I do not work directly with the techs, however, so I don't have a particularly high degree of insight into what's going on with that, or what issues may or may not have cropped up along the way.
I understand you want more frequent updates, and that it may have been inadvisable to promise a set update frequency. I do not, however, have the ability to go back in time and retroactively fix any of this, nor does any other staff member to the best of my knowledge, so the best I can do is tell you "this is what's currently prioritized" or "this is something we want to do but other things will come before it".
1) Getting a new server up and running smoothly and playing nice with the others to my understanding actually takes some work on the coding/tech end. So that's one of the things our tech staff has been doing. Again, I do not work directly with them and so cannot speak for all of their time.
2) You are taking my words out of context. All I said was that the policy update was delayed by the reviews. The policy update was obviously posted, since you're commenting on it. The newspost is also linking to the changelog, which lists the changes you quoted, so technically all changes have, in fact, been communicated.
Historically we've never included much in the way of other updates in newsposts about policy changes. This way, it's much easier for us to follow and respond to comments asking about the changes.
3) I do not, in fact, have access to the Fender account. I have access to my own accounts and the admin panel, and that's it. I also did not, and would not, say that anyone on staff lied to you.
Most of my work for the site (all of which is time that I am volunteering) consists of addressing Trouble Tickets and supporting Moderators when/if they have concerns about enforcement of COC. I also answer questions on newsposts to the best of my ability because we do care about communication with users.
Ultimately the degree to which you choose to trust staff is up to you. All I can do is attempt to answer questions to which I have the answers, as I have been.
Not knowing details of what's going on in a completely different section of the organization is not something I'd consider particularly telling, myself. If I ask someone in the grocery store produce department something in-depth to do with meat, they're more likely than not to pass me on to someone who works in that department. I know enough to know that the tech team has been hard at work, but I do not have much direct contact with them so I don't know the exact details of what they've been working on. I believe in being upfront when I don't know the answer to a question, and I've been trying to live up to that conviction, nothing more or less.
No one on the staff team has been slacking off, but a lot of what we do is not something that's visible to the userbase at large. Even responding to tickets is not a very visible activity - the only people who're going to know that something was done in most cases are the person who filed the ticket and maybe the person whose content or activities were reported.
2. Yes, you quoted me directly. I did not say otherwise - I said that you took the words out of their context, and that in this case the context was important, as the quoted phrase had nothing to do with the non-policy changes listed on the changelog. I'll forward your concerns and see if we can work something out to get a newspost out regarding functional/coding updates as well as this policy update.
The server in question has only been up for about a week, note, so announcing it longer ago than that would have been dishonest.
3. Yes, really. I don't know, nor do I care, who is logged into and posting for the Fender account at any given time, as that is not my business. It's a member of site administration, and with that I'm satisfied, as I have been since long before I was a member of staff.
But no, I have not lied to you, nor has anyone else. Making statements about the future that you fully intend to keep to may sometimes be ill-advised, but that does not make failing to do so a lie.
I can see at least one other staff member, excluding the Fender account, who has responded to comments on this journal alone. I've made a lot of responses in part because I'm in a different time zone from most of staff (so any comments made after other staff members have turned in are likely to get seen by me first), in part because I suffer from a pathologically terrible sleep schedule (again, making me more likely to see any comments made while no one who can answer questions has been around), and in part because it's something I've chosen to take on. That doesn't make the staff members who you do not see commenting any less passionate about helping users, it just means they're doing so in a different way. We've got an awesome staff team who are all very dedicated to their work, and it's troubling that this doesn't seem to be as clear to you as it is to me.
So yes, this is my honest assessment of the staff's feelings. We've got some very skilled men and women on our team, and I'm privileged to be working with each and every one of them. All of our staff puts a lot more time into the site than what may be immediately apparent outwards, but all of that time does help keep the site running, and without it we'd be running like a three-legged pony in a thoroughbred race.
Could you please make folders both for galleries and favs? In fact, favs need even more to get grouped hence an average user favs multiple times more stuff than they submit^^ I strongly believe both gallery and favs need folders^^
PS. Being able to add folders within a folder(subfolders) (just 1 deeper, not more) would be very handy, works great on DA.
I can see a great potential use. First dividing could be into e.g. 'personal art' and 'commercial art' or 'nonpersonal art' (whatever depending on the artist) and 'reposts'(I mean reposting art of your character that someone else drew) and then divide the folder into e.g. 'personal'->'character X', 'character Y' 'comic X' 'random animals' etc. while all submissions within the subfolders would be visible in the general folder so noone would have to guess which subfolder contains a work they will like:)
(example of an existing folder with subfolders: http://vixendra.deviantart.com/gall.....-novel-related)
Just a suggestion:)
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/6853468/
"That said, I'm going to start following through on my side and make updates to the Beta UI every Friday, and start posting weekly postings about what we're doing, why we're doing it."
It's really disappointing watching you promise to commit to something and fail to follow through time and time again.
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/.....1#cid:30740887
Among many, many other things.. Thumbnails, folders, stream notifications, FA store, pagination, larger banners, new UI (Ferrox), transparency promises, Beta Site promises, character pages, upvote ability, mobile support..
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:43341788
like those art raffle ones or the stupid "know the artist" memes that everyone posts?
but i was thinking like being able to type in certain keywords like "raffle, meme, stream, etc." into a box somehwere (like the "block user" box under profile info) in order to hide those types of journals for people who don't want to see them
& yes! exactly.
thanks for showing me that XD
No problem though ^^ Adding similar buttons for 'raffle' etc would be nice, though.
Until we get an official update, this thing works PERFECTLY. I have stream notifications and other things (like vore, watersports, etc) tagged so I don't have to see them. It's a godsend.
Do look into downloading it. If you have IE, then you're screwed.
(BS, thanks for the good work. This is good!)
This rule has been removed and has ceased to be.
Please bring this back. Nothing else makes me more uncomfortable than some guy uploading a photo of his feet or chest hair "for some friends to fap to!! x3" It's disgusting.
http://imgur.com/1CzNKi6
You must be new here. Favorites are played indiscriminately by staff and admins with absolute reckless abandon.
a user can post photos of their collections/belongings to their Scraps, but a user cannot post photos of these items and say they are for sale? Am I reading that right? What is the difference??
User posts a collection of games they have to show off their collection and that submission stays up.
User posting a collection of games they have for sale tends to have the submission up temporarily, and we've found users tend to take down and repost the same or similar submission of the "remaining games" when one is sold. So, if they started at 9 games, sell one, they'll remove the submission and post up a new one with 8 left.
Temporary submissions really don't benefit anyone except in the case of streams or hand-made items (YCH, crafts, streaming notices, etc). We want to focus on what makes a submission hold around long term -vs- short term.
I made about 30 tickets with ych reminders. Most have been deleted, some have been ignored because the response time was so slow that the actual ych was already over.
So yes, the rule gets enforced but only if you report the reminder.
Your reasoning doesn't seem to hold water. The point of collecting is to obtain more stuff. You know for a fact that the content of a collection will change, and therefore, the updating of any image cataloging said collection will be necessary.
And if it goes unnoticed they are going to post it to get it seen
spamming the same thing over and over wont make people like it more. it only makes people annoyed.
Yeeeeeeeeaaaah you know that's quite the opposite of progress.
Don't get me wrong I'm not against some things being more lax because quite of these had to be changed but they removed TOO MUCH without putting other measures to prevent flooding or filling the site of non art stuff or just outright flooding.
It's cool to share your hobbies and pics of say, your collections or cars or whatever. I'm totally okay with that, but in an art site, about the user's creations, not putting any limits to how much you can put in? Just... no
That's my interpretation, at least. (Disclaimer: I don't work here.)
Unfortunately, the distinction between "too fetishy" and "just a fursuit prop" is, at best, a really blurry line. Because it's hard to know exactly where the line is, my own suggestion would be that photographers simply avoid the subject matter whenever possible! Anyone who doesn't, of course, runs the risk of inciting dramaaaaaaa...
the admins are trying to make it so there is less policing, trying to insert one's self and tell a person what their wearing is fetish-y would be as naive and hard as telling someone they're fetishy for say wearing socks with their fursuit since someone out there has a foot fetish with socks...
its too much grey area. unless its explicitly says its a fetish pic, they prolly arent going to touch it.
*bricked*
Remind me again why I try to use this site instead of Deviantart?!
It just feels like this rule and the body part photography is now ok rule, will make the front page move too fast with random junk posts. I'm an artist that relies on views to make sales also. Just because I can't post 15-30 things a day doesn't mean my stuff isn't as important as 2D artist things though.
Users may now upload appropriate content to their galleries without worrying about hitting an artificial limit.
That sound like a win to my case of last Monday! ^_^!
I'm happy with it! Thank You FA!
welp, there goes all my hope for an actual update to yanno, help the site, not hinder people.
It counts as art
It counts as advertisement :3
I still have an issue with section 4.1 in regards to the rights of an artist. "These permissions are purely for the limited purposes of allowing us to provide our services in accordance with their functionality (hosting and display), improve them, and develop new services." (My emphasis)
Are the "services" for the user like an artist can sell a poster of their work through a third party, sponsored by FA. Or the owner services such as IMVU using their artwork for promotion within their virtual IM service. Can we get this issue clarified? Your "plain English" is not very clear on this matter. And the legalese can be interpreted that an artist's work can be used by FA and IMVU as they see fit, without compensation to the artist.
..."which may be compatible with a user's existing library." means...what? It's still jargon-y.
Thumbnails? Updated irons for music and text? Something else? Free waffles?
I'm not being a pain, just that's...a bit confusing. ^^;
...What next, you want roadkill pics?
*dies* Noooo thank you!
It's a site dedicated to FICTIONAL, walking, talking animal characters. It's generally for ARTWORK (not RL "nature shots").
Go watch Discovery Channel, like seriously.
I can understand why you would do this since there are sites like Ebay and stuff, but from my personal experience and I'm sure others, its much easier to post up on furaffinty and other art sites and talk to people then using indirect auction sites.
there's a difference between starting a witch hunt for no reason & between making sure someone is held responsible for their actions
You must be new here. Welcome to FurAffinity, where rarely is there cooperation or communication. They promised WEEKLY updates. How long has it been since the last journal?
If you think such a thing can be achieved, you're fooling yourself.
Not a fan of many things and would rather not see diapers, feet, ect.
Really feels like that feature should have been implemented before the GO NUTS KIDS! posting rule.
This update isn't quite as good as you think.
Ten pieces a day? Probably a little too few. Otherwise? Unlimited caps are asking for FA to be spammed to hell and back. Watch the influx of people registering accounts to flood the server with feet pics - it's -going- to happen.
S' cool.
This rule has been removed and has ceased to be."
so is FA not an art site anymore, or
Users can now post a bit more of their personality to the site without fear.*
May I ask, what is with stuff like Gundam Model Kits?
Yes they are massproduced, but everyone that build them together is proud of it, if they have one put together and even more, if they customice them.
Sometimes there are more than 3 Pictures... min. 4, one for each side (Front, left, right, back ) and sometimes special Poses or a Group shot, if they are from a special Team, or one series.
I know, Furaffinity isn't normaly a place for Model Kit Pictures, but I know enough Artists that uses theire Gallarys for theire GunPla Pictures. (And I do it aswell, because I'm a big GunPla Fan, have no other Side where I can Talk and show my Stuff to other GunPla Fans, and because I wouldn't have something to show to otheres here, because I'm not a Art Artist and my writings... lets say that I wasn't very inspired to write something in the last 2 Years... )
I really wouldn't like to put all that work, and future work in the Scraps Folder.
For me, the Scraps folder is more something for "unfinished or not actual Work", for example if a Picture is shown in several states of making and painting, before it becomes it's finishing, or for reading samples, before a Story comes out completed. (And other Stuff from Real Life, that not belongs here anyway.)
Hope somepony or some Admin can help me with this.
Because of some Money Problems, and because of the GC in Köln this Week, where my brother and I will travel too this Saturday, I hadn't a GunPla in neraly 2 Months... and with this Month it will become three. -.-
With the Mastergrade you will have much fun. I had needet 7 complete Hours to build my MG Heavy Arms EW.
BUT: Be careful: A Mastergrade isn't so easy to build as an High Grade.
(Normaly I need for a High Grade 2 - 4 Hours of Building + penstriping another 1 - 2 Hours)
I had irreperable Damaged my Heavy Arms EW some Days ago, as I tried to disensamble it, to easyer penstripe and bring on some last Details to it... Was a BIIIIG Mistake!
Now I had to glue his right shoulder to its Torso, because the Pin, that connects both brokes up, and wasn't to repair anymore. -.-
I think some Problems are from the Summer Heat, so that the Plastic became a little soft or so.
For Future I have decided to buy and build ONLY HGs and RGs. The RGs have a similar Part Connection System like the HGs, but have a hard rubber skelleton.
The MG has an inner Hard Plastic Skeletton, that must be ensamplet part to part.
I think I had over 10 Layers of Plastik Parts in the Box of my Heavy Arms EW. Normaly there are only 4 - 6 different Layers in an HG and up to 8 in an RG Build...
Wish you best of Luck with your MG Exia... oh and it makes more fun, if you have the matching Anime on a Screen in the Background.
(So I mostly make my Model Kits: Look some Episodes of the matching Gundam Series while building it. ^^ )
Cya
Relaxing the selfie/body part rule is a very bad move for an art site, especially when we still don't have the ability to filter such stuff. The last thing I want to see is FA filled with facebook and photobucket type junk that has nothing to do with art.
The other mistake is the removal of the anti-flooding rule. That's just abuse waiting to happen.
I think users should be free to upload photos of themselves, sure, but it sort of lessens the point of FURaffinity if half the front page is nothing but selfies or photos of humans. Idk, it's a double-edged sword, really, but I think I'd rather see the rules be 'unlimited to Scraps sections' rather than 'fill your gallery & the front page with your daily photos.' We have social media for that. I know the userbase here is, obviously, humans, and of course diverse in interests, but it just seems almost counter-intuitive for a furry site to allow unrestricted amounts of non furry photographs. /shrug
I do however eagerly welcome the banning of 'yardsale' submissions, because gosh the 'PLUSHIE SALE!!1!' posts are annoying.
Great.
and they arent banning it i guess bc its not porn in a normal since, genitalia is inherently porn related, diapers are inherently fetish related bc people dont usually wear diapers
a foot is just a foot so even if we dont wanna see it it would be a werid rule..
Ok so that means users that make suits can't post images of
"I'm selling scraps of fur" because they didn't make the fur?
Yeah that's a great idea because I LITTERALLY just bought scraps of fur this way yesterday
Because I SAW the scraps of fur.
I can understand if it's clothes shoes etc
But if it PERTAINS to the fandom you should leave it
You need to consider (lol you guys consider anything) your fandom base
You have suit makers that don't just sell "I made it myself things"
Also plush lovers who by other plushes that haven't been handmade
The paw people are going to leave now because you took a major thing away "not body part images"
Again FA STOP changing things without listening to your people.
You could have polls and we could vote it's very simple especially when your EVERYTHING runs on a user based system.
I'm still waiting for admin word on whether or not it's okay to make a submission just linking to a sales journal, since there is now no way for sellers to get exposure beyond people who already watch them.
I have a fursuit head I need to sell, and some ears and tails that have been unused. I'm not sure if this rule would allow them, since they were PREVIOUSLY hand-made by someone else, but I know a lot of fursuit makers and fursuiters do this - especially if they need to sell a fursuit they had bought from someone else.
I agree that I don't want to see a post about selling a bunch of video games or human comics or something, but if it's inherently furry, or a previously hand-made item, I don't see why it shouldn't be allowed.
Also, many people sell their suits but don't sell the character along with it.
I hope they'd make the selling part so that if it has something to do with the fandom, post it. The point was more to have less people selling shit from their attics like old dvds, which are completely unrelated to anything.
if it's not don't.
Everyone has things they don't like seeing. If we banned everything somebody disapproved of, we'd have nothing left.
Just curate your watch list.
Anyhow, I'm inclined not to put much faith in the opinion of people who can only express their dislike of belly pics or whatever by calling people land-cows and such. If they can't be mature about it, they don't matter.
As for using the front page to find people, eeeeh. I prefer to go through the favourites of other people I watch. Much more reliable.
However, there isn't, and these rules being relaxed are another step along the path of users finding it very difficult to ignore content they don't want to see.
This is good stuff.
"Goods being sold through submissions may only be user-created or handcrafted items."
We call this the "Etsy Rule". If you made it, post away, sell it! However, if you're clearing out your attic and are posting a virtual yard sale through submissions we'll politely you ask you to cease. Feel free to post your "for sale" items in journals!
Just to be clear, do commissioners selling old Original Characters / Fursonas they commissioned also fall under this new Rule?
Journals arnt read/seen by as many people as submissions...
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:43341788
The users have good reason to be upset.
http://imgur.com/a/1zEya
This is fantastic!
I remember there being a journal but it escapes me. X3
Seriously, though, I agree.
But can we get browser filters? Me an many others want to filter out types of content that we don't want to see. Plz, if you staff actually can pull that off, you will earn my respect.
It hasn't been updated in forever, but it doesn't need to; you can filter out anything (as long as it's in the tags or in the title or description). I have streams filtered out, as well as lots of other stuff I don't want to look at.
It's wonderful, at least for now. :D
Response times will continue to improve as we get our ticket backlog under control. We're well on the way there and some ticket categories should already be seeing quite snappy response times.
I'm not blaming you or anyone entirely or particularly, but I don't see why I can't do what I need to do to get someone that traced my own personal work.. get them reported and have all the images they've stolen from other artists removed.
i don't understand. THIS: https://www.dropbox.com/s/uqh0hquox....._0348.png?dl=0 shouldn't still be open and unaddressed.
Recreating tickets mucks with the system, and will cause either yourself or someone else to have to wait longer. In some cases, it may even make individual tickets take longer to investigate, depending on the exact situation. Once you've filed your ticket, it's there, and will be dealt with as soon as a staff member trained in that particular type of ticket can get to it. There is absolutely no need to try to manipulate the system, and doing so could well backfire on you.
The absolute best thing anyone can do to ensure that handling of their (and, as a bonus, others'!) tickets is as quick as possible, is ensure that any tickets filed are concise and contain all necessary information to investigate the issue. The more searching or asking questions staff needs to do, the longer it'll take to resolve that issue and move on to the next one.
Seriously though, these weren't enforced to begin with. Changing them can't have been done for much more of a reaso than to make it look like something is actually going on aside from Dragoneer's Bad Dragon shopping sprees.
sorry, but that is a terrible suggestion. It's like saying "well im too busy to actually look at your stuff, so whatever I'll just favorite it all!" a favorite doesn't mean much, at least to me, if it's given in such a cavalier way. like.. I'd rather get less faves, and actually know that the ones i have are because people took the time to actually LOOK at my submission before just faving.
not to mention but nothing is more annoying to me than having someone to through my entire gallery of nearly 300 submissions and favoriting half of them within a few seconds of each other. I know some might find that flattering, but I find it frustrating because.. did you even look at them? why would you spam my inbox with your favorites if you aren't even looking at the submissions? I find it insulting.
Usually I already have looked at their gallery too, just because it's there (and also I have way too much time on my hands), but if that was the only reason you're interacting with me, I count that as a form of spamming.
I try to leave comments here and there, but that's usually only done on the images that impact me the most. :3
It's not a chore, it's a joy
COC: "Flooding is when you upload more than 10 submissions or 5 journals in a 24 hour period."
Users may now upload appropriate content to their galleries without worrying about hitting an artificial limit.
Glad about this change, cause that kind of restricts people like me that are really productive on terms of art that we want to post.
Oh well, guess I'll just collect more dust waiting for them to enforce a strict tagging policy, a blacklist, and a lift of a ban of a tag of over-dramatic mass-controversy.
Le sigh.
But all and all I'm pretty shocked to see rule changes that actually make sense and allows users to make their galleries more their own without some Submission-Nazi breathing down their necks. This is good.
On that note, to appease the ones that have issues with the human body I do recommend the site work toward implementing a filtering system. To be honest years of seeing people bitch and moan about offensive content is getting quite old and unbecoming of current generation furries. So let's put some personal responsibility in their hands and give them the tools they need to filter out much of what they are too queasy to see so they can shaddup once and for all. :P
"AUP: "Variations of content are limited to 3 in the Gallery Folder. Further variations must be uploaded to the Scraps Folder."
It's your gallery. Upload variations as you see fit. If your followers do not like or appreciate what you're submitting they can vote with their +Watch. This gives power back both to artists and their followers as we believe our users are capable of choosing who they continue to watch based on the content they post."
I don't understand?
Also, this isn't really a question about the rule changes but I've had another question for a month and I've had no idea how to ask it (and I've actually been afraid to ask it). So...what about pics blatantly mocking other users? This is something that has happened to me (and some other users) last month and it's been bugging me ever since. How would I report that? I know, Trouble Ticket, but what category? I couldn't find out in the rules...I mean it's probably too late now, it was last month mid-July, but still...pics mocking other users should not be allowed...
Submissions mocking or insulting other users are definitely not permitted, no. They would generally fall under the ticket category "Harassment", and if for some reason that doesn't apply to your specific case, our Moderators will pass it on to the appropriate staff.
All right, thank you. Is it too late to report this? It did happen a while ago in mid-July.
This site is really pushing me over the edge, DeviantArt is horrible enough... and now FA had to stoop down to their level.
A - how little work the coding team actually do
B - how inept the coding team is
C - how rarely any such meaningful updates are made
The reason for this is as follows: currently, user accounts/profiles are stored on the database under their actual account name - that means an account with the name ABDCEFG is referenced throughout the site's coding as ABCDEFG. Any link to your page calls upon that value. If you wanted to change your name from ABCDEFG to.... oh, I don't know. ZYXWVU, you'd have to also alter every single reference in the database to reflect that. That's a lot of work, even for one profile - imagine perhaps tens of thousands of users doing that.
The only way users will ever be able to change their names is to move from a 'pure' account name to a numeric name - for instance, if I'm user 5000 to sign up, I am referenced throughout the database as user 5000, whereas my actual DISPLAY NAME - the name that appears on my page, the one that you'd use to link to my page - would be different, and therefore editable.
So... yeah. Rev up that Project Phoenix/Ferrox, because otherwise, ain't happening.
Trust me, you're better off migrating to other sites.
Besides. When, not if, FA finally goes under, it's good to have a contingency plan.
But... you still told, and have points, what everyone have to accept, or agree.
I dont will broke my promise, maybe thats my own derpness, but.. theres always hope that things will turn to the good way....
A plan.. can be good anyways.
Yeah, I'm not buying it. Honestly, I'm not. There comes a point at which you realise that the conversation is irredeemable, and this is that point.
Add a "layman's terms" section
Sales limited to handmade items, otherwise in the journals it goes
Shitload more freedom to post what you want when you want, so long as it doesn't break the (imho) common sense rules.
"Goods being sold through submissions may only be user-created or handcrafted items."
We call this the "Etsy Rule". If you made it, post away, sell it! However, if you're clearing out your attic and are posting a virtual yard sale through submissions we'll politely you ask you to cease. Feel free to post your "for sale" items in journals! "
Does this mean people can't post their adoptables re-sales/character sales if they are not the original creator of the design through images?
Since it says user-created rather than your own creation. So someone needs to create it themselves and are free to sell it, I think it also applies for the resells. I think the point here is that people wouldn't sell their old tvs or a pile of dvds here, especially when it has nothing to do with the fandom.
The backlog is being worked on, and we've made good progress on reducing the overall backlog so far. I'm not going to give you any dates, but we're confident this trend will continue, and your tickets should get answered as part of that.
This is simple. You get a complaint from a person saying 'Fucksuck McDickwank stole my art!' - you go check it out and, indeed, Mr McDickwank HAS taken that piece. You then take your enforcement tools, and do some enforcement - preferably anally, preferably without the luxury of lubrication.
There's a really easy algorithm for dealing with this.
IS IT YOUR ART?
Y: Fine
N: Shit, now we have a problem.
If N: Do you have permission to be re-posting/using that art?
Y: Fine
N: What the fuck are you doing taking that artwork without permission?
ARE YOU A TRACING DICKBAG?
Y: Prepare to get sodomised.
N: Carry on.
If you're honestly trying to tell me that you're 'not qualified' to deal with content theft, I despair for the staff on FA more than I ever did before.
Case 1: Piece A and B look alike, but piece A was beautifully drawn while piece B looks like it was drawn in ms-paint by someone with severe parkinsons or down-syndrome. = Obviously a trace.
Case 2: The automatic time-stamp determines that piece A was uploaded 'earlier' than Piece B which was uploaded 'later'. = Extremely fishy = Should make some alarm bells go off.
If cases 1 and 2 are true then: Congratulations it's a ban for whoever uploaded piece B! End of story.
There's no excuse, really.
It's your gallery. Upload variations as you see fit. If your followers do not like or appreciate what you're submitting they can vote with their +Watch. This gives power back both to artists and their followers as we believe our users are capable of choosing who they continue to watch based on the content they post.
Hey everybody, if you don't like what someone is posting and you are "Watching" them you should have the common sense to -UnWatch them- instead of being an A hole and posting bullshit onto their page or submissions. Unless! it is something against the AUP then probably feel free to report it also instead of being an ass.
Why bother keeping the name "Furaffinity" you might as well call this Tumblr 2.0
In other words, screw the hardworking FURRY artists that made the site worth visiting, we want to allow everyone to post away and treat this site like Facebook and Twitter. Screw all that time-consuming furry art on a dedicated site for the furry fandom, social media and selfies are all the rage!
Who even uses the front page?
Just curate the people you watch. I find 90% of the content producers I follow here by looking at the faves of other people I follow.
Anyway, thank you for the updates. Nobody says thank you around here.
My personal wish list?
Keyword filters. 'Nuff said.
Mature Submission View: An OPTION like on dA where, if you are age-appropriate (as I am), you can choose to view a mature-tagged image. Very annoying and frustrating having to search out the option to change from General to Mature/Adult (and I ALWAYS forget which place it's under in the profile stuff), and then remember whatever password it was to change my view settings so I can see a reference sheet for a character I need to draw. And then once that's done, I have to go back and change it again. Please, please, PRETTY PLEASE WITH DOUBLE-CHOCOLATE, WHITE CHOCOLATE CHIP COOKIES ON TOP GIVE US THIS ABILITY. THANK YOU IN ADVANCE.
If you use Firefox or Chrome, look up FurAffinity Filter. It's literally a keyword filter. I have streams and other stuff I'd rather not see tagged in there. As long as it's mentioned offhand in the title, description, or tags, the filter will hide it. :3
Keyword/tag filter choice for search [not gallery]
rednef .@keywords -fender
That should give you submissions containing the word Rednef, but exclude all submissions tagged "Fender".
Filters of any kind don't help if they don't have tags to work with.
Now, it doesn't stop people who don't tag things, but if it's mentioned in the tags, description, or title, the filter will catch it and won't display it.
Unless you're being ironic, and want those things to come back in order for FA to get into legal trouble, and subsequently close.
Then yes, bring on the cub fur.
Also, a drawing is a pure work of fiction - a thing such as a "thought crime" is a fairy tale of such ridicule that it doesn't even pop up in one of Grimm's countless ones!
https://youtu.be/0NcIGBKXMOE?t=16m6s
is a sexualized child
and cub porn, on the other hand, my friend, is a sexualized drawing
I do not want innocent artwork surrounded by animal children sucking adult cock, or being torn open by it.
Fucking sick. Go to inkbunny. Let it stay there. This site already will be up in flames with enough ass/feet/crushing pictures and pictures of My Little Pony collections.
Judging things on artistic merit is a sticky area that we'd rather avoid if we can.
But I do think there should be at least some form of quality control; it's very easy to tell when someone has uploaded something without any artistic intent. Deviantart is full of it, for example.
Photo quality is an entirely other thing; people need to be allowed to upload their poorer work for feedback and such for improvement purposes; it's the same with drawings. But if someone's taking really blurry pictures of the inside of their nose or something because they're bored and uploading them, then that's less useful and not really artistic, and more annoying. Does that make sense? Because that's more where my concern lies, not so much in terms of whether or not a photo is "good" or "bad".
When did fa become myspace.
like, i am ok with selfies and stuff, but there needs to be a different posting sectiont hen to the main site, i guess. dunno how itd be done/
Though FYI, artists have been abusing the flood thing since it was instated years ago. I cannot count the amount of times I've loaded up my FA only to find an artist has done an art dump or posted loads of "yay I'm streaming" journals.
This rule has been removed and has ceased to be.
Oh no... I can already smell the photos from the foot fetishists Dx This is not a good change at all.
"FA has grown from a mere art site to an artistic community with a huge social group. Nobody wants the Selfie Police to knock on their door, and as such, we are no longer going to play that role."
Counterpoint: nobody wants a site they use to upload their art to become overrun with selfie images because of an inability to moderate/police the sheer number of images that people post.
Also, you don't get to put those words in my mouth - I actually do want people to police the site and keep the selfie uploads under control; This site is not Facehook; This site is not Tumblr; This site is not Photobucket.
You're giving in to people abusing the site because of your inability to properly moderate/police it and masking it with 'social progression' politicopropaganda fluff. All this really leads to is a loss of site identity and alienation of your core/fundamental base users.
But of course this all plays into the interests of the IMVU overlords. So who gives a flying pig?
Which fucking sucks.
they have other websites for that crap, like wedding photos and such. lets stop breaking the magic please.
They've tweaked ad space a little, added tags back to submissions and a day or two ago changed the Nuke X button red. That's it as far as I know since the Beta update began.
But remember, FA is all about transparency. Or maybe they just mean reading your PMs and stuff.
Did Facebook go off-line while I was asleep? So much for being an art site.
"Hey, lets make the site more like facebook!"
As if selfies aren't bad enough, we now get "random body parts" as well. This is an art site not some fucking photo bucket...
But I help, earlier when they uploaded such things, than the staff cared about, and taked off or so. Now? nothing really anymore. Good change. They can upload slowly whatever they want.
You can not stop it all. If you don't like it, just ignore it.
Now the only thing we still need is the option to filter out ENTIRE USER GALLERIES from our browsing results (like Weasyl already has)
The people I have put on my block list as of current all make me want to puke and it diminishes my FA experience when I have to see their "art" on browse pages or in search results. I don't like them, I don't like their "art" so, I don't see the point in being forced to see it when I don't want to. I would rather forget such "people" exist in my community.
If you do incorporate this feature, I, and I am certain that many others will be extremely grateful.
Thanks for listening.
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/.....ocemkogl?hl=en
Merry Christmas. <3
(But seriously, I hate seing vore and diapers. I also don't want stream notifications cluttering up my watch list.)
It doesn't take more than a few seconds to write them in there people!
Not only is it easier to sort out submissions that way once a user is searching for specific images, but it also makes the artists own works easier to find via' the search option.
I really wish I fave comments.
One great rule would be to make using keywords a mandatory. It would really help to filter out things you don't want to see.
Not using keywords is just lazy. It takes like 5 seconds to write a few words of the content the submission is about.
If you have time to upload that submissions, you surely have time to write down a few words.
things MAY be different now...but I still think there should be time limit on strikes as the whole 3 strikes thing is ridiculous in real life, so you are emulating their mistakes (which even judges dont like) so why not take a lesson on them, say strikes fall off after a year or two? I can understand the rule for things reoccurring in a year or a few months, but to be held accountable for admins that are no longer even working here from 5 years ago? thats crazy (especially that weird period where you had admins from that other site with no knowledge of FA - one of the strikes came from those admins, the black bar one, as he KNEW what was underneath the black bar, when they could have just been hugging)
and love the icon XD
Warnings/strikes/offense levels do expire, and the base rate at which this happens has been determined and is available to staff. As judgment comes into play when making calls on offense level, we can't post a rigid schedule for it, but it's unlikely five year old offenses would ever weigh in when handling current cases unless it's blatantly obvious you're trying to game the system. If you're concerned that something you wish to upload might be found in violation a rule you've already been warned about, you're welcome to contact us via the ticket system "Questions About Site Policy" prior to uploading.
I can't speak for forum issues, as I am not and have never been forum staff. Things are definitely different and much more structured on the main site side now, though, just compared to what they were when I was brought on early 2013, and I assume the same would be the case for forum staff.
Thank you very much for the compliment!
This rule has been removed and has ceased to be."
I. No?
Put that one back. :/ Why would you remove it? Who asked for that?
I know what they've been promising, I've been here for a while. ^^; But I'm still going to voice my disbelief that of everything they've decided to change, that was part of it. I mean, at least they're doing stuff now, but they're doing it wrong. Or in this instance, they are.
I actually am honestly curious if anybody out there actually did, in fact, want that change, and why. Because I don't see how it's helpful at all.
Hoping for some silver lining here, because I'm not excited about the prospects of the old fetish pics. But I haven't browsed the front page in literally years.
People are going to completely misuse it though, ahah. It's been a huge problem on dA for years already.
I think they've made a category for TRACED bases too, although I could be wrong.
If you feel it's unnecessary then by all means stick to google. I'm ready to take some high quality hand refs because you can't go wrong with those.
Or maybe I just don't know how to use google. /shrug
- FA is an ART GALLERY, NOT an advertisement stall.
- I come here, as almost everyone else does, for ART/STORIES, NOT for ADVERTS. The site is plastered in enough of them already.
-- Many scummy artists are turning patreon into a subscription paywall.
-- Buy an ad spot and shove your patreon shit there, NOT in the gallery; NOT censoring every "public" image; NOT destroying the quality of "public" images; or otherwise treating your non-patreon supporters as empty wallets.
I'm sick of artists and users alike that think this behavior is acceptable; and my block list is increasing at an incredible rate.
Also, I can't say whether or not I agree with you. In my opinion, that's kind of a trashy way to go about it, but I'm also just not a fan of aggressive marketing, lol. But if that's working out for them, and if people are giving them their money, then whatever. That's their business, and if that's how they want to run it, then so be it. It sucks for people with less money, but it's really not the creator's problem.
That's not something I would ever personally do with my work. I enjoy sharing my work with people, whether they can pay for it or not, and I feel like if someone enjoys and appreciates what you're doing, they'll eventually give you a couple bucks anyway if the opportunity is presented, even if the content is free or eventually becomes public.
I actually use Patreon myself because I'm trying to get a little extra time to do my webcomic, but I've never posted cropped images, and I only ever advertise it when I post something relevant to the project. Most of the stuff I put there eventually does end up public, just Patrons (usually) see it first.
Basically, I'm saying that I wouldn't do what you're describing and I don't really agree with that, but that's still a valid way to go about it. People need to eat, you know? And I guess that's how they're choosing to do it. Just don't support them if you don't like how they're doing things.
I partially disagree in that if that's how somebody wants to market themselves, then that's their choice. I'm not a fan of aggressive marketing at all, but it's still valid. Just don't support them, I guess.
Like from what I can gather, he's not saying Patreon is bad, he just doesn't like how people are marketing it, which I get that. But I don't see that as a reason to outright ban it, tbh. People should be allowed to choose how they want to market their business, and if that's the way they've chosen, then, uh. Ok. I feel like there are better ways, but whatever; I support that there's still a choice there.
(1) Like from what I can gather, he's not saying Patreon is bad, he just doesn't like how people are marketing it, which I get that. (2) But I don't see that as a reason to outright ban it, tbh. (3) People should be allowed to choose how they want to market their business, and if that's the way they've chosen, then, uh. Ok. I feel like there are better ways, but whatever; I support that there's still a choice there.
1) You're correct on that matter.
2) I would like to see it banned, simply because degraded, money grabbing "filth", as I'll call it at this point, has no place on an art gallery. It serves no informative purpose other than a blatant reminder that the person seeing it isn't throwing their money at an artist. A one time informative post and/or journal, sure! Excessive, repetitive spam? Sorry, crossing a line there.
3) Answered in other post. :)
It's still a valid way for people to market themselves, however. Though I don't really support it, I do support that they have a choice, and even though I don't particularly like that method of marketing either, they should be allowed to make that choice. Banning it seems unethical, even though that particular form of marketing itself is also kinda gross.
Idk, I do understand where you're coming from, and your exact concerns are one of several reasons why I won't market my webcomic or my Patreon in that way, but I just don't feel like it should be banned. Speak with your wallet and your watch button; don't support people whose marketing tactics you disagree with. Clearly, money speaks to these people if that's how they're choosing to market themselves, so if it's not working, they'll try something else. It'd suck that you don't get to see the art anymore, but that's business, I guess.
Irritatingly though, people are supporting these ad spamming people (one, annoyingly who I can't name *glares at admins*, earning nearly $3k).
I suppose a realistic "wish", would be for them to stop acting so surprised or even "insulted" when people backlash them for their method.
PLEASE, PLEASE, stop masking these as updates, and just acknowledge that you've grown so lazy you'd rather stop policing so you'd rather make all this shit legal.
I love FurAffinity, but now that it's becoming a DeviantART try hard and is on its way to becoming another social spam sight, I can kiss all sales down the toilet due to my submissions being buried under spam of foot photos labled under the "paw category", and the same image being posted ten times with different selfie filters.
For the love of all Gods, FurAffinity admins, get your shit together, and focus more on being a unique site than just a pointless copy of every other site already in existence.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/fi.....finity-filter/
If you have IE, I can't even help you. XD
Most of the time, say I block vore. I tend to block words that are also with vore, like lunch, eating, etc. But most of the time, if it's mentioned even in the description, the filter catches it. I very rarely see art that the filter doesn't catch.It can even look in words.
but in the event it does, I just keep scrolling. If it becomes a problem, I can blacklist users, too, so their art doesn't show up. :/
I think, I'll eventually just leave FA. Most artists I like to actually follow seem to use other irritating media forms (twitter and the like), so I'll just stalk those. :>
It's not perfect though, even if they don't tag it, it searches the title and the description, but if someone like naomy posts something and only puts stuff like [c] 490 and then the commissioner in the description and nothing in the tag then it will get through and you will have a moment where you are like "why filter?" "Why did you betray me?"
It's not perfect by any means but it DOES help. It IS SOMETHING! I mean it's like being in a building on fire and someone's offering you a bucket of water. It's not going to put the building out, and you're probably going to catch fire periodically while you stand in there and get more buckets of water. But at the very least you're not just standing there burning the whole time.
It isn't perfect, but it's a good help!
You know, FA was bought by the current administrator 10 years ago... 10! There's no excuse NOT to have any of those features yet implemented.
Thanks
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/fi.....finity-filter/
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/.....ocemkogl?hl=en
FA still needs to tweak their AUP with that kind of stuff and I hope they read our concerns and make that change.
Persnally I feel this will lead up to tons of images of peoples feet, guts, ass and rusty starfish.
Plus the lifestyler who will upload literally hundreds of images of a damn fursuit parade at a major con.
Photography depicting nudity (exposed buttocks, breasts, bulges, outlines of genitalia, etc.) or indecently-clothed models (undergarments, diapers, lingerie, etc.) is prohibited. Exceptions may be made for swimsuits worn in public locations, such as a pool or beach.
This just sounds dreadful over all. Like the staff is TRYING to turn this into DA..or that they're just too lazy to deal with the trouble tickets so they're just saying "screw it do whatever you want".
Please, PLEASE. this site is already getting bad enough. Do we REALLY have to turn it into a photodump site now?
Don't want this turning into DeviantART! That site is already dying and being shut down!
(Says all the members)
But if they do I'll for sure be leaving... I come to see art, not people's cocks...
(It would be just like deviantART)
Even though those submittions are prohibited you know there are going to be those who are going to think it is okay now...
But other than that I do like the new update ^^
Will be easyer for a lot of us now submission wise, thank you!
People come to FA to see art, mostly. Not selfies. This isn't facebook.
"AUP: "Self-portraits are limited to 3 uploads per account, unless the subject is wearing a costume."
FA has grown from a mere art site to an artistic community with a huge social group. Nobody wants the Selfie Police to knock on their door, and as such, we are no longer going to play that role."
Because they aren't sexual.
I understand that people may find it cute and stuff but still. Isn't it considered "cub" or whatever?
For "cub" art and people into that, there's InkBunny >_>
Hence why I think that was very poor thing the admins/staff did.
I mea... if I wanted to see someone's bare feet, I would just ... idk... google? I don't need to log into FA and every now and then and see full body pictures flexing their arms, or someone showing off their new t-shirt. This is needless. (and this isn't "a once in a year thing". This HAPPENS every freaking day, at least once)
Set it as a page which can either have permanent filters specified, or simply make it a page which needs to be navigated to, then nobody need be accosted by anything they don't want to see on their way to preforming the search for what they do.
Okay as said above, apparently I missed the diaper thing being banned. Good.
BUt still, why the hell do people have the urge of uploading pictures of their feet? Or their gut?
As I said: people are here to see ART. Drawings, Paintings, poems, stories, music, animations, fursuits, local con pictures! Hell, piercings and tattoes are art as well!
Now... why would I want to see an endless stream of selfies of someone sucking a pacifier, doing a duck-face thing, pretending to mimic a meme? Why would I want to see someone showing off their most recent cut while "spreading butter on their bread"?
THAT is what I mentioned. Using filters (addons on browsers) is just a lazy way around it. This isn't facebook nor instagram.
Now my only question is why on earth made you think I was referring to browser addons? I'm talking about the Browse Artwork filter: http://www.furaffinity.net/browse/
I talk for myself: I come to FA expecting to see drawings, paintings, photographs of landscapes, fursuits and conventions.
ffs...
Honestly I have no issues with feet, bellies, etc. - its perfectly attuned human nature to share body-shots; those who are quite passionate about self-expression, apt to pose for a variety of reasons, keen on receiving lots of mixed feedback. Doesn't bother me none. :I
In essence, I'm actually fine with this update report. Upon reading some of the more mature, civilized, methodically-composed and non-dildo-laden comments, it seems to me that y'all also have a few more new updates under your sleeves, so to speak. Folders being one massive step forward, among few others.
This pleases an ol' shep-coon like no other. <3
I'll stick around to see what else commences! Besides, its not like I'd be particularly comfy anywhere else. ;)
TL-DR: NICE UPDATES, BRUH. PRIMUS SUCKS. SPAY & NEUTER YOUR PETS. ROCK HARD, LIVE HARDER.
Glad to hear you're optimistic about the future; so are we!
*hi-fives for progress*
Now that those IMVU chaps have purchased the site, with their enormous corporate server farms and all, data storage is no longer much of an issue.
Seems like it honestly would have been wiser to simply state this outright, though. When people know Why a change is taking place, they tend to be able to figure out the intended scope and implications of it all on their own.
THE ELDER SCROLLS HAVE FORETOLD IT!
THIS IS THE END! THE END TIMES HAVE COME!
no one wants to see feet >:[ especially in the paw category. Majority of Paw people want to see animal feet not human feet.
They either need their own separate category AWAY from paws or give us some sort of keyword black list.
It flows like wine. Very entertaining..
If your followers do not like or appreciate what you're submitting they can vote with their +Watch. This gives power back both to artists and their followers as we believe our users are capable of choosing who they continue to watch based on the content they post.
I mean I'm not always the happiest with the admins and what they're doing and I'm very outspoken with everything, but come on now. You guys are REALLY complaining you're going to see various body parts when this site is full of crazy nonsense?! Really? Ya'll still haven't realized that on the internet and on FA you're going to constantly see shit you don't like and the best thing to do would be to hit that big ass delete submission button?
Oh no you saw a foot. Oh no you saw a diaper. Oh no you saw a hairy guy's gut. I get blasted with fetishes every day on this site and ya'll are upset because, humans? You guys really need to stop with this humans are bad and disgusting nonsense if you want people to be okay with what you've got going on. For real.
Moral of this story is, it's okay to judge and bash and kink shame as long as you're doing it to a human and not a furry!
And again, that's just the internet. Yeah, the name doesn't automatically say what's in the title, but was it supposed to? Because this site holds art and that title says nothing about that. This site has fursuiters and photographers and story artists and it says nothing about that
(Read it on polite voice, please. Its.. hard to say it so with typing. Also if you are around since that time, then you can see why, in fact, sad a bit to necesarry to use Adblock, filtering addons etc... I dont remember I ever had to use adblock on FA previously.)
I also see no problem because this is the same thing I said when they removed the ability to promote raffles in journals (see? been here a while). That if people honestly think they should be able to log online, and then onto furaffinity and not have to see something they may not like, then they should employ filters (and yes, if you want the site to work and run the way you PERSONALLY want it to, then I see no problem with using adblock and filters. And i've used adblock and filters since before the IMVU mess. Because that's my personal preference and I'm not about to run to the admins and whine I saw something I didn't like because the guy next to me might not feel the same way.
It has nothing to do with seeing it in HD (...why would it). It also has nothing to do with what I personally want to see because if we got down into it, no, I don't want to see someone's feet. No, I don't want to see someone's gut for no reason, and no, I don't want to see someone sitting in a diaper. But guess what? The entire site is not me and there will be people who are okay with that stuff and just because I'm not doesn't mean the entire site should cater to me when they're not really hurting you or anyone else by posting whatever. You can just move on and not watch that person.
I just feel like if you don't want to see something personally, then that's a personal issue and an entire site shouldn't have to be made to cater to your personal preferences.
Them not doing something that's been promised for 5 years is a while separate issue than this one. I'm not about to go "i'm upset about this thing" that has nothing to do with what's currently going on and use it to be upset about the changes now.
I mean i want folders too, but I'm not about to use the lack of that and the many other things people have been wanting but haven't been able to get to create a problem for this issue here. So I'm not about to comment on the folders, the search system, etc, because I'm talking about this separate issue here and that has nothing to do with this and their lack of updates in those other areas has nothing to do with this.
If people are upset about what other people are posting to their own galleries, they should unwatch someone. But honestly i think people who complain about the content of the internet will have a hard time being here. I remember as a child searching the name of my favorite anime character to get a picture of him and everything that came up was NSFW for some reason. You're going to deal with unsavory stuff on the internet. The trick isn't to complain to the point someone removes the thing you personally have an issue with (and this whole post is people having personal problems and wanting the admins to cater to them) the trick is to move on from the thing you dislike in this instance.
Why should that guy who wants to use the site like a social media site, maybe because he's not an artist or whatever millions of reasons it could be, but why should he be shut down because YOU don't personally want to use the site that way and might randomly see a picture he posts? You can easily go to another page (and people complaining about the front page...really? You just sit on the front page all day when you have a watch list?) or hit the checkbox and delete it, or hit the nuke submission post if you want to just be rid of it all, or even employ those filters I posted below. You're given a bunch of different ways to remove yourself from the issue without forcing the entire site to cater to your personal preferences.
And just like there's going to be a bunch of people against it, there's going to be a bunch of people for it. It's illogical to do something based on only one demographic when you can just not cater to either and let them police their own personal preferences.
Screw the people who dont' give a shit.
I see people are upset with the lack of updates for things they've been asking for for a while. I see that they're upset that this is what they're given and not the other things they've been asking for.
But that's not the issue i was talking about. That's the issue YOU were talking about.
I'm talking about THESE changes and THIS issue right here and right now. Not comparing it to the other things they haven't done.
If you wish to complain about the things they didn't provide and complain that this is what they chose to provide instead, please do so elsewhere.
My issue is this one here and it has nothing to do with when it came about or whether i feel I would've liked something else they've been promising for years.
You are turning this into a whole seperate argument when their updates, or what they did or did not implement this time around isn't what i was talking about to begin with. It's also not what i'm seeing. I'm not seeing "I'm mad because I've been wanting folders/search bar fixed/proper filtering for years and you give me this." I'm seeing more "I'm mad because I don't like what you did with this"
which is what i'm commenting on. So again, I'm not going to discuss the issue of whether or not they implemented the thing I wanted them to. That's not what my original post was about and now you're upset that i'm not discussing that issue with you because i flat out don't want to. It's not my issue right now. My issue are these changes right now. Not the side bar or anything else.
There are many things on this site I don't like and I wish weren't here, but I move on and go about my day, I don't turn around and try to make the entire site cater to what I want it to do.
YOU don't want FA to be come those other sites, but what if the admins are okay with it? What if some people (like myself) wouldn't exactly mind it? Yes this started off as an art site, but I don't see why it can't also be a place where I get to see and enjoy other aspects of people's lives that I don't normally get to see or that I have to go offsite for. See? This is all personal preference and people are acting as if it's the end all beat all and the site has to cater to it.
You don't use your gallery for that and don't want to watch people who do. Fine. Then don't.
BUT if someone else chooses to then you should probably just move on instead of being upset they posted something on the internet you didn't like.
Yes, people would cringe. I would cringe. But it's not enough to where i'm going to shut down other people's desires because I don't particularly like the input.
And that's not the only thing people are going to post. At the very least if we're going to have an issue, have a tag list or have people properly tag, which is a whole other issue entirely. Because to blanket disable everything, we're going to also be removing the good things that i personally DO want to see. Which is the problem I'm having with the notion that the entirety of the site should cater to something that yes, you and I don't like, and a few others don't, but there are going to be those people who don't care or who like it. This is also a form of expression for them. Just like all the other completely furry oriented stuff on here that I do not like. It's no different than me seeing vore or me seeing a human foot.
Both are things I don't like, both are things I didn't come here for, but now with these rules and regulations and it being a more common thing, it's going to be something I MAY encounter (and again, the only time I'm on the front page is when I'm logging in, so even it appearing there every five seconds wouldn't affect me enough to where I'm going to say that's enough of an issue) and the best thing to do in the situation is police yourself and what you wish to see and don't wish to see instead of trying to police the entire site.
If jim bob wants to flood his gallery with his feet, then don't watch jim bob and try to avoid the front page or employ a filter (yes it sucks that it's third-party, but that's just how it is currently, best to just use that and wait for another solution than just dealing with seeing it and waiting). Maybe the admins can be a little bit more proactive and the user base can be also about the addition of proper filters so that those of us who do use the filters we can avoid it.
I know I'll be plugging in a couple more keywords in my FA filter.
If you're you're cool with something, good for you! But why does it bother you if people want to express themselves in a different way?
Jim bob is free to upload his feet, and part of the furry community are allowed to say they don't want to see that on their site, shaming others for disagreeing with the staff is trying to shut down other people's desires.
If your desires are uploading sexualized photos of yourself, furaffinity hasn't been the place for it in a while, and it's just natural people are upset. I don't think that's a shocking concept to understand.
If you're you're cool with something, good for you! But why does it bother you if people want to express themselves in a different way?
Exactly my point. You guys don't want to see the stuff in your furaffinity and honestly I don't either! But Jim bob does! Jim bob should be free to express himself IN A DIFFERENT WAY. My point isnt' to exclude the people who don't like it, because i'm part of the group who probably won't be watching jim bob's posts anymore. My point is to INCLUDE jim bob by making sure that other people properly handle situations with things they don't like seeing. Instead of getting rid of something jim bob is using to express himself in a way different than you, you remove yourself from jim bob's version of expression so that you can continue to enjoy the site that you enjoy. Because jim bob posting work to his account wouldn't affect you posting yours in a way you like.
Only way you'd see jim bob, is if you happened to be on the front page, which i can understand would be like "whoa ew" because I go "whoa ew" at A LOT of the furry oriented stuff on the site to begin with. But I would treat jim bob's 'ew' worthy stuff the same way I'd treat furry oriented 'ew' worthy stuff.
But I get it, people are going to be upset with the change because the script DID get flipped. I get that. But I'm only saying that I don't personally mind the script flip and anything I did mind I'd find a way to be rid of it personally instead of shutting down jim bob's choices.
Also, Fight made a nice post. Giving an explanation as to why people were talking about it was the reason I responded.
I do get that it's not about what I like. Because if it was, again, I wouldn't be holding a sign up going "Show me your feet, show me your body parts without any tattoos or jewelry, this is what I want to see" because flat out, I don't want to see it. I have no reason to see it. There's also no reason for me to continue to watch someone who posts something I dislike, and I don't stay posted on the front page like some people seem to be doing just because of the fact there is no filter there unless I employ a third party one, and it's also not filtered out by the people I already watch. Yes, it's a good way to find new artists, but to complain about not wanting to see something on a page that doesn't filter out things by the tastes you've already employed by your own watch list seems a little silly to me. Kinda like sitcking your hand in the flame and then comlaining why you got burnt.
I mean if my argument was we should do things based on what people LIKE to see, there'd be a shit ton of artists hard up for something to sit in their gallery that doesn't fall under any restrictions.
And you're right! Whether or not it should be allowed will always be up for debate, that's my point entirely! One person may want this thing for the site, one person may want this thing. I'm not saying either people are WRONG for their preferences, but people are acting as if what they want out of the site isn't personal preference! Even though not everyone holds that same preference.
I get why people are talking about it. I totally do. I mean the admins can post a journal that just says 'cupcake' and I'd understand why people were talking about it. My point is I PERSONALLY find it silly to get up in arms over someone else's gallery, the front page where most people spend minimal amounts of time anyway, or even someone's favorites to the degree that some people are going to.
I mean I get it, this rule just opened up pandora's box for some people to abuse the system. But I see that with multiple rules on here so I don't see that as a surprise and I also don't feel like it's a good idea to base rules and regulations and ban the good people over the misconduct of some of them. You work around the misconduct after the rule is in place just like FA will HOPEFULLY do here to make suer their new rules don't blow up in their faces like that whole adult ad problem.
I still do think they should probably post an update journal saying "Hey! These are the new changes we will be implementing! What are your thoughts?" or some other way to allow a proper forum of discussion BEFORE posting TOS changes like these. I mean it'd be NICE but it's not something they HAVE to do.
I get why people are complaining though. This could EASILY take a turn for the worst. But I just don't feel like the point is to complain about what people post that is now acceptable as a general thing regardless of whether or not the person abuses the system with their feet pics, the point is to make sure that you personally dont' run into it or make sure the admins are going to keep up with it. If that makes sense. I just woke up so it's hard to get what I'm thinking out into word form. Most of the complaints I see are about the fact that Jim bob even posted ONE foot picture and they MIGHT see it on front page, and with their being more than one jim bob, they are going to see this "flood". i mean of course you will. You allowed a new thing and everyone that wanted to but couldn't before will jump on it immediately! You put folders on here, most the site would be using them within five minutes. That's a given. It will HOPEFULLY die down after the hype and the rule will HOPEFULLY be adjusted to account for those that did flat out abuse it.
But I get WHY I just feel like personally it should be a non issue. And I gave my points as to why I feel it should be a non-issue right now. I even gave some filters for those that are unhappy with the new rule but wish to stay here just like I am doing.
I guess the main reason I feel it's a non-issue is to me, someone posting a picture of their foot is no different than someone posting a hyper picture. Both are things I don't really want to see, but I'm able to remove myself from them. I also don't feel it's an issue because as you said, what constitutes acceptable is up for debate and on top of that, what is and isn't photographic art is also up for debate. Because there's such a variance on the topic, I personally feel the most logical solution would be to employ tactics (on the admin's side) to allow for people to customize their experience better. Which is why I said something about the filter system. It's not a moot point. Yes, people fail to tag a lot of things, but that's where the admins really REALLY need to step it up and why I mentioned proper tagging being implemented in the future. The reason it's not moot is because you CAN still use it. Just because it's third party doesn't mean it's automatically unusable. I mean yea, I'd love it if the feature was ON FA, but it's not. And until it is, this is what's available. It's also not a moot point because despite people's failures at tagging, there are loads of people who do follow the tags. You'd block out wayy more than you'd let through. And this is where, again, the users need to step in and help out. I mean again, yeah, it sucks we have to employ tactics outside of the site and admins, but we've had to since day one, this isn't new. If a picture is improperly tagged, you should report it as such, and the admins should allow the user to properly tag their item without just removing it like they seem to do first here.
All of this ties into my point. People should be handling their own experiences a little better where the admins are failing. Yes. It sucks WE have to do this ourselves. But that's just how it is right now and it's best to just go ahead and get it down to save yourself some stress instead of throwing your hands up in defeat when there are ways around the situation.
And thank you for responding to me politely! I probably shouldn't have worded my initial post so aggressively, but I meant no direct harm to anyone and that's all I got in return! It's so so nice to be able to hear someone's side of the story without feeling like "Oh shit if I say, well this is why I think this to a lot of their posts (which is typically what a debate is) then they're going to think I'm TRYING to PURPOSELY and personally dispute/defeat them." I don't mean to sound like i'm attacking anyone or refusing to hear what they're saying and I actually try to reread their posts while I'm typing to hit on all their topics so it doesn't seem like i'm purposely ignoring them or taking something they said out of context. I just like a healthy debate. I mean hell, just this debate and the few others I've had makes me go "Oooh. I can see why you'd be upset"
And like I also said, yes, it works on the tagging system, and yes that system is HORRIBLY flawed, but I've been using the program for a while now and I honestly find very few instances where someone's lack of tagging has made the thing useless. YES, that is a problem, but i'm saying it's not enough of one to completely discredit it's use.
But it's this same thing I said when people were wanting to use adblock, but still be able to see artist's pictures. It's a huge buzz kill that the users have to find third party software to get around the nonsense that should've already been employed on FA, but the fact of the matter is, it's not. And the filter system is bunk here. That's unfortunate, but it's just how things are right now and I'm simply offering an alternative for those that choose to use it because it does work very well regardless of any failures at tagging.
I mean, they're no obligation to do 90% of the things they do on this site. None. But if it does help the users on the site THEN i don't see why looking into it would be a big deal. No method is going to be perfect, there are going to be ways to get around it and those people who don't follow the rules, that's a given, but to completely discredit something just because someone might not follow through when there's a crap ton of people that will seems a bit silly to me. If enforcing them isn't possible, maybe a tag suggestion system? And again, not everyone's going to abide by it. I'm just trying to minimize the damage here. Which is the same deal with the third party filters.
It sucks that I have to use it, but as you said there's a debate going on about what is acceptable and what's not and eve regardless of that I have my own personal preferences and such. FA doesn't have a proper filter system, tagging isn't perfect, and there's not a group tag filter thing where peopel who want to see that will be able to. Plus the search function on this site needs some tweaking. I get that. It really sucks that I have to do the work of the programming team. But that's just what I have to do in order to better my experience. Yes the tagging is fubar here and not many people use it or put random stuff in it, but to be completely honest in the year or two I've used it there have been very few instances where something got through the filter.
I mean I think DA has a system where you HAVE to tag, I know Weasyl went to people in the past and asked them to properly tag submissions after another user saw the submission improperly tagged (which is again sucky that it has to be done, but you're right, it's not feasible to think the admin team could handle it all). Those methods aren't perfect, but they do help. Nothing I'm saying "hey you can do this" is me going "this is a perfect solution to your problem." It's just a solution to part of the problem until the entire situation can be tweaked and so that you can AT LEAST have a bit of fun while they handle things on their end or figure out if this change is going to be a shit storm or not. That's all. I'm offering people an out. Not a perfect out, but it is one solution to a problem and I think it's a very effective solution as it's worked for me and many others. It shouldn't be thrown out jsut because we shouldn't have to do it, FA should have a proper system in place, or we've got those peopel who don't properly tag. Because it DOES still work. Hell it doesn't even have to be for THIS. That filter has a lot of neat options and I'm just letting people know.
But this time I'll say this... I'm done browsing in this website.
It's been getting progressively uncomfortable to browse for the kind of art I like thanks to new trends that just bother me + sudden spike in characters with "gut". I don't want to have to filter through real shirtless guys and mis-categorized pictures.
I'll just stick to being a content provider for those who care instead.
Furaffinity filter:
Chrome: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/.....ocemkogl?hl=en
Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/fi.....finity-filter/
You can tag by words, you can even remove the comments and submissions of people you don't want to see without removing the other artwork from the artist. Anything hidden is also given a nice little box on the page where you can unhide it if you wish. Before FA did the bit with the streams, I used this to filter them out. This also helps those of you upset about patreon ads.
It's stupid.
FurAffinity = furry = animals > Anthropomorphic or feral creatures
Not
Facebook = humans = people > pictures of your "new-bought" Zara clothes or a collection of a gazillion selfies.
Having a photo for profile picture? Fine, totally ok with that. Showing off a tatoo or a piercing on a PG place? Go on! It's art.
Uploading a picture of you doing a duckface or trying to look all deep/emo/interesting "just because" ? No.
Hi5 died a few years ago, facebook was born. Let's not make FA as worthless as those ok?
I dont' personally care what other people have in their own galleries and if I did, I'd unwatch them and the problem was solved.
If the problem I was having was seeing it from people I don't watch (and that's going to be few and far between) then I'd employ those filters.
But I still don't feel like the entire site should cater to a personal preference when there are other people who don't feel the same way you do. Like why do I care if furaffinity becomes more than just an art site? I actually LIKE seeing people's lives and what they're into outside of the furry artwork and I would love it if I didn't have to chase them all over the internet to do so. But that's my personal preference.
And because it's only a personal preference i feel like it's YOUR duty to filter out the things you don't want to maybe see (and I really don't see what the big dang issue is. So what if someone makes their page like facebook, how is it REALLY affecting you...please let me know) not the entire site's job to cater to your personal preference. All because this allows some people to use the site in a way that you personally wouldn't use it for.
I do agree with you on one point: I do like to know the "person behind the fur". But one thing is people casually posting things related to them. That's ok. That's why there are journals.
Another thing is this site, and I refer to that again: FURaffinity.
So I'm just going to randomly upload pictures of each one of my fingers and toes because that's OK. There's nothing sexual about them. While I'm at it, I'll also upload pictures of my feet because that's perfectly OK.
Oh well, I'm not going to bother saying anything else.
If people are OK with Furaffinity becoming a facebookish thing, do it.
It IS personal preference. You don't want furaffinity to become anything other than an art site where furry art is posted.
That's a personal preference. Not a law. Not somethign that NEEDS to be a thing.
If the admins want something more out of their site, it's their personal preference.
YOU don't want something other than furry art on there, YOU don't want a flood of fingers and toes from people you're watching (and honestly if you're so worried about the people you're watching posting things, then unwatch them), and you don't want to filter out those things from people you aren't watching that may pop up randomly somewhere.
But not everyone feels the same way, which is why I said it's a personal preference.
I get what people are saying. Furaffinity origianlly was a furry art site, but just like the journal said, it's growing as MORE than that and they're just making sure that those that actually don't mind the combination of both worlds, art and social media, can have what they're wanting and those that don't want it have already had the means to get rid of it without FORCING those that are okay with the change to cater to THEIR preferences.
YOU guys don't like the change. That's personal.
http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Fur_Affinity
Still not clear, that this is Furry Art Site? and not a real life picture sharing page?
I get what people are saying. Furaffinity origianlly was a furry art site, but just like the journal said, it's growing as MORE than that and they're just making sure that those that actually don't mind the combination of both worlds, art and social media, can have what they're wanting and those that don't want it have already had the means to get rid of it without FORCING those that are okay with the change to cater to THEIR preferences.
If the site OWNERS, you know the ones that run the site and not the guys running the wiki, wanted to change the site as more than an art site, then that's what the site would become. Just because it started off that way doesn't mean it HAS to ALWAYS be that way. it's not like the definition of a word that can't be changed. It's a site and that wiki can be altered.
It can easily just say 'Furaffinity' a furry art and social media site where you can meet up and share your creativity in many ways. You just have to change it. Don't know why you showed a wiki page like that page is law and just because that page says that it was an art page that it has to be one forever. You guys don't want it to, that's fine. I feel ya. I'm not saying you're wrong. You want one thing. You're fine to want it.
I'm just saying not everyone agrees with you and not everyone is upset this site is growing to be more than just art.
"Some people just like to be stubborn. SinisterCyanide enjoys the fact this site is slowly becoming a heaven for weirdoes to upload full-body pictures. Good for them.
The more you try to explain what's obvious, the more farfetched excuses or "reasons" they will use to prove how their logic is flawless and the FA staff are great."
So well, enjoy to make a fur art site a new FB with selfies :D
And like i said to him, i merely didn't agree with the two of you, stated exactly why, just like you did, and because you don't agree you're going to invalidate my opinion by likening it to making excuses and reasonings and being stubborn and ignoring facts that i didn't ignore. It's all just to make your own arguments seem more valid than my own when both of them are personal opinions and neither is more right or more wrong than the others.
But okay let's just turn this into something childish and personal jabs at someone who merely disgreed with you.
I should know by now. Furries are incapable of simple disagreements without trying to invalidate the opinion of someone else and without turning it into a personal jab on them.
Next time, don't go on opinionated journals that will have discussions because you're incapable of hearing someone doesn't agree with you. Just stay out of the arena. You can't hang.
But if you don't then that's cool too. You don't have to like everything they're doing. I know I don't.
But unlike you, I'm not going to be childish and mean just because you feel differently than me and bash what your preference is even though I could! You like FA one way and want it to stay that way. I don't mind if it changes. Simple as that even though you two are trying to make it seem like more than it is.
But no you don't have to reply to this. Have a good one!
But I figured out a point. If theres a "project" like FA, and when everyone would agree and dont say anything, in some cases would be good. But sometimes this thing brings a project further, when one side likes the idea, and the other not. And with good communication, there happens a compromise, what is good for everyone. This would be great, it it would finally happen inbetween the site and the users. But theres always remains a little, very little line, inbetween decisions and reactions.
Anyways, lets see what brings the future.
It's childish to act as if just because I have a diffferent opinion than you that it means you have to invalidate me or what i have going on.
That's what i said was childish. Not years of broken promises. Not the admins lack of anything. Don't take my words out of context to mean what you want it to mean when it was clearly stated in the sentence what exactly I said was childish.
Once again, you seem to think that just because i'm okay with this change, that means i'm okay with every change the admins have made or that I'm happy with the fact other things haven't been given to us for years. Stop it. That's not what it means, that's not what I'm saying, and i've said this over and over again.
I just don't mind THIS change THIS instance THIS time.
But if you so desperately need me to type it out for you, i will. Because you're not getting it.
I dont' mind this change.
I dont' mind people wanting to use their gallery how they want to use it.
I don't like feet, gut pictures, diapers, or any of the other fucked up shit people are now allowed to post, BUT those aren't the ONLY things they're allowed to post.
If I feel like i don't like what someone's posting I will unwatch them or move on, because I feel like that's what should be happening, not a TOS change.
I wish FA would implement the things people have been crying about for years, stop working on these other things, put these new things on pause, and stop finding other shit to work on when they have a backlist of things they didnt'. There's many things that they've been saying for years they'll implement and every single time they come out with something other than that, all it does is seem like that's where their efforts have been, not that they're still working on the other thing.
I want folders so badly it's crazy.
I want proper filtering systems to be in affect even though I don't know how that would be done.
I want the option to have SFW and NSFW icons and have it so that people can personally choose whether they want to see people's character's faces, or if they're cool with my booty shaking icon they can see that.
But just because i didn't mention all the things that I want done, or that I dislike, doesn't mean it isn't a thought in my head. It just means that's not what I'm focusing on right now.
But stop it. I am not sitting here kissing the admins ass or thinking everything they do is amazing or that I'm defending their inablity to do things I think they shold be doing. YOU guys created that from bullshit and twisting my words and pulling shit out of nothing.
You can't have someone say "I like this thing," and use it to mean that just because they like that that means they like this this and this and are okay with shit that has nothing to do with the thing they originally liked. :T
Just like the weekly journals about improvements etc, and exactly thats why we bring up these things always, because nothing, of their actualy published promises wants to came true. They promise, it fails, they think, we forget it and thats all. *deep breath*
But, I have to say, it was... nice to talk with someone, who have a so different view on this, actual change about the AUP. May I misunderstood some things, possible, its very late here.
We will see what comes in the near future, hopefully something what.. is an improvement for everyone. Like those damned folders ;3
And if we're talking about needed things, this entire site isn't NEEDED.
Yes, they said that, but just because you say "I will listen to the suggestions of my user base" does not mean you're saying you won't make some changes to the site based on how you see fit and based on making it easier to run for you.
Yes, it's nice to do things based on user input and you'd probably get a lot more happy users if they're able to put more input into the site, but furaffinity was never a "everything we do was because someone told us to do it" site.
And you were talking about being here for a while, you should've realized this by now. Furaffinity has and will continue to do what THEY want to do. Users can suggest things, but just because they do doesn't guarantee it will be done and it also doesn't have to be done.
Some people just like to be stubborn. SinisterCyanide enjoys the fact this site is slowly becoming a heaven for weirdoes to upload full-body pictures. Good for them.
The more you try to explain what's obvious, the more farfetched excuses or "reasons" they will use to prove how their logic is flawless and the FA staff are great.
And for the record, I didn't ignore anything. I addressed every single point you made. But if it makes you feel better to hold your opinion and think someone else just didn't hear you or ignored you or made excuses to be able to validate your opinion because you were unable to on your own, then have fun! I guess that's one tactic! lol
I never said the staff were great.
I never said I'm okay with the site going to weirdos.
Just because I disagree with you you're going to shut down my opinion? And then turn around and say I'm the one who will be shutting down and giving "excuses" (when all I'm saying is not everyone agrees with you)
Yeah. You're right. Apparently people can't have a discussion where two folks just don't agree because furries are never really capable of saying "I don't agree with you, but that's cool"
Did I once invalidate your opinion, say your logic was flawed (because both of us are stating personal preferences and therefore would have a hard time being flawed), or shut you down?
nope. But thanks for showing you're incapable of stating an opinion on an opinionated journal and having someone respectfully tell you they disagree without you acting like a hurt child because they didn't automatically kiss your ass. lol wow. Some people. How you gonna shut someone down, act condecending towards your own OPINION, then say it's me who is doing it?
All I did was disagree with you. Wooooow.
And look, they gave the overused "Don't like it? Then leave" speech. Hilarious.
I'm soooo high and mighty.
As if it's not high and mighty to shut down someone's opinion just because it's different.
As if it's not high and mighty to laugh about someone and talk about them on another comment while they can't see it.
This whole time all I've done is disagree. At no point was it a personal jab on them or anyone else and yet here you guys are making it personal. And the 'leave' comment isn't the overused 'leave FA if you disagree' argument. It's 'if you're incapable of having a difference of opinions without automatically taking it personally or thinking it's a personal attack on you then you should remove yourself from the situation'.
but okay.
I fucking LOVE THIS FILTER. I couldn't be on this site without it. I'd go so far as to donate to whatever soul coded this beautiful filter. They deserve a reward.
It's their gallery! i mean yeah this site used to be soley art and such, but things change. Things move on and improve or fail. It doesn't HAVE to stay that way, some of us dont' want it to.
But if people had a problem with what your friend was posting , they should've moved on instead of forcing her to cater to their personal preferences.
Like yeah this site started off as just an art site. Hell if I remember correctly, it started off during the time when there was a couple other furry sites and this site was regarded the same way weasyl was when it first started, people shrugged it off or laughed at it, it had a couple out there fetish art and honestly it seemed like that's all people were gonna use it for so I know many people chose to stay away from it, but now look at it!
Hell weasyl was even thought ot be the furry art site competitor, then when they went out of beta they said that they allowed ALL artwork and people had to properly tag for furry and anthro artwork.
Yes it STARTED OFF as a furry art site, but it also started off as a slew of other things, and it can change! But because some people want it to stay as an art site and leave it dedicated to only furries, they feel the need to bash anyone who is like "I don't know...I don't mind the addition as long as people are reasonable"
I mean scroll up and look at how I was dealt with. So because I'm okay with allowing people to do what they wish with their galleries and I'm capable of removing myself from something I don't like (and I've already stated I don't really like feet or diapers or a lot of other things people can now post) that means I am allowing the weirdos to take over, it means I LIKE random body part posts no matter what they are, and it means i'm allowing the site to go into nonsense.
No, sweeties. I just don't think it's fair to go "I don't like this thing that's not hurting me at all. YOU HAVE TO GET RID OF IT!" when there's a shit ton of stuff on this site I don't like and when other people don't feel the same way I do.
I just feel like if you don't personally like something it's your job to get rid of it for yourself, not try to stop other people from doing the thing you don't like. Children do that.
I agree with you. No one is hurting anyone with what they upload, so why shouldn't they upload what they like, as long as it's not illegal.
As for weasyl, I h=thought it was still in beta. When did it stop being beta?
Also, what about selling fur itself? I browse FA quite often looking for other people selling fur and fur scraps, and I sell fur scraps myself, often to people who aren't even watching me.
I can understand the rule for curbing people trying to sell their video games and books and other non-furry things, but what about things like that?
Fur man...that's a good question! Does that fall under the category since it wasnt' hand crafted or user created?
Especially when someone sells that rare rust MM fur. God I need that. I have some rust fur that works in the meantime, but... I need that fur XD
I know lots of people who take fur scraps and makes heads out of them, or uses them for art dolls, or whatever. It'll suck if I have to list them on Etsy or eBay or something.
(Not messing with them, I have seen it happening everywere not just on FA)
posting on another website his journal , comment , profile page , art , note.
I know some people like to repost and bitching the person
Example
A persoon took one of my journal from furaffinity and repost it on facebook and bitch me
Nah, I'm just kidding people. ;P
Nice to see some good change for a change. ^^
Can't wait to hear more from you guys!! :D
What about intangibles? Services, texts.. Technically selling commissions is selling service. IP isn't an item per se either. c.c
This rule has been removed and has ceased to be."
This is a disaster waiting to happen.
I knew I should have stuck to tumblr, as now this site's going to hell in a handbasket. I didn't give a shit about IMVU's acquisition of FA, but this is opening the floodgates to photographic shite.
Good job. Good bloody job. This whole site's going to fall to pieces.
one time i had an icon were it was my characters ass shaking in panties n that wasnt removed. gg
Seriously even if you're tired of trying to be polite about it that doesn't mean you should give people both barrels. you can get your point across without having to try and shove it down their throats.
if people dont want to see "x" then make a group listing for it so they can exclude it when doing searches. last time i checked most search engines and ebay allow for the negative sign " - " to be used to exclude content. ie i want to see random images minus the selfies, id type in " -selfie " or i want to see fursuits of dogs but without collars " fursuit dog -collar "
then all the people above have nothing to worry about because if they dont like it they can just customize the search.
Also, this "== What We've Added
"Goods being sold through submissions may only be user-created or handcrafted items."
We call this the "Etsy Rule". If you made it, post away, sell it! However, if you're clearing out your attic and are posting a virtual yard sale through submissions we'll politely you ask you to cease. Feel free to post your "for sale" items in journals!"
will technically make it impossible to sell used fursuits (not made by ones self), sursuit parts, non home made props (holloween bone props, oversized hide cans, bandanas, etc). etsy allows for the sales of these. I would suggest clearer writing.
"user-created OR handcrafted items"
Edit: Except non-home made props, I guess. Though I kinda see how that makes sense
... wait.
In other news: I had chocolate today. Life is good. ^_^
That's nice.
because they are, in fact, full of shit
THIS POST HAS COMEDIC VALUE AND REQUIRES ATTENTION.
SHIT IS NOT ART
HELP.
It said:
"... so?"
EDIT: ... so? Second Life's been around Fur Affinity for 10 years
In fact here's one of the oldest pictures I can remember of. So, pardon me, I don't want to sound rude, but I didn't understand your comment.
So, yeah, they do require work and Skill. Perhaps more than just posing a duck-face or doing V signs.
I would say, Considering everything you have posted on your FA is the work of somebody else, and not your own creation (Photography is an art form by the way, and strictly speaking, posing and taking shots from SL falls under this category, digitally generated or not) You don't really have the moral high ground to call people out on what is and isn't suitable or 'disgusting' to look at. And in fact a lot of digital artists, established or aspiring, may prefer to take a basic shape or base image and enhance it in to something much more rich and aesthetically pleasing.
So instead of bashing everybody atop your second hand soap box, who is either a digital artist/photoshop user or Photographer like myself, i strongly urge you, the fandoms version of Katie Hopkins, to shut the actual F* up.
Also, I'm not going to put up pics of sculptures in my FA, that's a dumb argument
Next order of business: Feet and Sock pictures.
If you put actual effort into shots, work with lighting and positioning while amping up graphics detail to max and all, they can actually look a bit interesting; but, again, 95% of people who do SL shots are doing the 'oh baby we're having virtual sex take a picture' crap and yeah, those are shit.
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/17080103/ this one I did took some actual effort on my part. Positioning of the av, the props, ripping out a pose from the tiny lion AO into a blank ball so I can position and move it and all instead of floating above the ground. And then the avatar's head was being retarded and would look in different directions I didn't want it to, so I had to use a tiny invisible box to 'look' at to make the head move how I wanted.
In order to create something, you need a base. Most users purchase (as in: spend money) on the base/stock avatars and edit them to match their liking.
The AUP does allow Screenshots, as I was told by one of the FA staff this week, and I quote:
"Under our new Acceptable Upload Policy we actually do permit screenshots of certain games, Second Life being one of them. If the content creators don't wish for their content to be used on this user's account they will have to open a report under Content Theft and we can look into it from there."
Which, yet again, are still 100% related to the furry fandom nonetheless.
It would be really stupid if they prohibited SL or other games, but suddendly allowed IMVU :V
*End of sarcasm*
disagree with the concept of FA being a Social media site...
+1 dislike I guess.
Seriously, I remember Neer bitching about how much he hated the direction DA went, and now here we are with FA LITERALLY GOING THE SAME DIRECTION.
Inb4 dick pics "I swear it's not porn it's art".
Watching this site deteriorate is seriously the most depressing thing I've seen.
Thank god for Weasyl and Sofurry
It's supposed to be an art site, so why the fuck encourage social media bullshit?
Thank god for other sites that actually HAVE STANDARDS. Fuck social media. If I wanted to use FA as facebook and look at facebook crap quality, I'd switch tabs TO FACEBOOK.
inb4 banned for comment
You know, cuz people prefer to see pictures of "feetsies" and "onesies" and "diapies" and "pacifiers", cuz that's SO furry related :V
Which is kind of a shame because I've been here for quite, quite some time now and it's a shame to see that such an old community is going from "Furry" to "Socialmediafuckfurries" state.
just my two cents
As long as you clearly mention "It's Art", you're OK. :V
It's your gallery. Upload variations as you see fit. If your followers do not like or appreciate what you're submitting they can vote with their +Watch. This gives power back both to artists and their followers as we believe our users are capable of choosing who they continue to watch based on the content they post.
relate in anyway to Auction/YCH ads as well?
I don't believe so. I think it's just for art and not sales. At one time I /think/ you could have two, maybe three (or maybe as many as you could reasonably handle) sales / auctions, but only one could be in the gallery, the others had to go to scraps.
If you mean reminder notices, from what I see above in Fender comments (who, oddly, doesn't have the red staff highlight) they've never been allowed. Originally when the rule on that took effect, there was discussion on cropping, or adjusting the reminder to be different and unique, but I don't know if that got any traction.
The problem was people uploaded the reminders daily, hourly...and it was too much for the crowd who didn't feel ych / auctions belong on an art site. But now with it becoming less about art and more social media...who knows. Most people tend to tolerate one reminder that isn't reposted again, understanding artists want one last push to get more interest, though I cannot promote such a thing as I believe it is still forbidden. Personally, I don't mind a reminder, or a "last day" one.
Hopefully staff answers you much better than I can. :)
Auction/YCH reminders are, however, not permitted at all.
Artists are always welcome to include information about current auctions in descriptions of other submissions, however, eg "Like what you see here? You can get something like this of your own, just check out my current auction here: (link)". That also helps give potential buyer an idea of what they'd actually be paying for, if they are previously unfamiliar with the particular artist's work.
It's your gallery. Upload variations as you see fit. I can just upload variations right then?
You guys had better be brow-beating the top FA artists that Dragoneer watches if this is the case. I know for a fact they post multiple reminders.
Can't see you see the progress being made?
I agree. The English language can be quite frustrating, since grammar rules require you to use the sex of the individual and not their gender as the pronouns. On the other hand, English grammar rules also deem it acceptable to use male variants for an unknown, so maybe we're over thinking this.
I did agree (and stated that gender isn't accepted in English grammar for pronouns), but I also stated that English grammar rules accept 'male' pronouns for an unknown too.
heres what it said
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now please tell me what i did wrong and why my picture got removed and a step closer to having my account banned. alls it was was a picture with text
In general, adding text to pre-existing artwork, screenshots, or photos that you did not yourself create is in most cases not considered enough to make your submission a unique work, and as such it's not permitted. Memes to the general effect of "draw these things" are allowed, memes to the general effect of "caption this image" are not.
3.3 Photography depicting nudity (exposed buttocks, breasts, bulges, outlines of genitalia, etc.) or indecently-clothed models (undergarments, diapers, lingerie, etc.) is prohibited. Exceptions may be made for swimsuits worn in public locations, such as a pool or beach.
>This rule has been removed and has ceased to be.
-I don't get why this was removed, honestly ? I don't see why anyone would post a photo of their feet... or 1 finger... or their shoulder... for no other reason than ''It's a photo.'', if it's JUST that in the picture.
That's just asking 'more random people to post more random/pointless content'. You are aware that this is the Internet, right ? People *WILL* do that, if you allow them to.
Also, the rest of what I said is just as true now as it was before.
(N.B. : There ARE ways to make ''art'' from a dick... but just a photo of 'X-body part', just that, it's hardly anything worth.)
In fact, you contributed nothing.
If you don't want to properly participate, just don't, and cause unnecessary troubles.
Thanks
So I take female stalker is classed as male? Might want to get that little mistake fixed I think.
With DA self-destructing on itself and IMVU's purchase of FA, I thought to be losing both sites within the coming year. You're taking a small but significant step in the right direction here.
On a chan
At least for the main page.
If people are going to be posting more pictures and photos for SOCIAL purposes and not artistic ones then it will DETRACT value of the website for artists.
It will bloat the browse and the main page, not to count normal galleries.
I really like how stuff like this was on scraps. Because it could then be at the website but not 'flood' or take away from what most browse the website for.
One can make an argument that there is a lot of stuff already that drowns out what -you- really want to see, as everyone has different tastes, but the problem here is not for the watching user, it's for the artists.
They will get less exposure, their art will be mixed up with even more random things and, for those that make a living off this site it will impact them.
I know you want to make changes that will be better for the biggest number of users, but sometimes you have to prioritize those that serve content to the community, their services.
Just my two cents
Frankly, I'm usually a cynical person as well, but sometimes, to me, it's just not worth it.
This is not a perfect site, and it never will be. Nonetheless, I just want everyone to be content, and not snarky jerks all the time.
I don't believe people should be insulting but the fact is the positive has yet to make up for all the negative at least in regards to improvements to the site. IMVU is shady as fuck. I would have rather it been sold to Linden Labs. Still bad but not as bad.
I keep on opening FA on its main page and every single time, I swear, there's either someone "daring" others to upload selfies "out of boredom" or someone uploading pictures of themselves wearing diverse baby stuff (onesies, pacifiers...).
And by this, I say I visit FA on three, four separate occasions throughout the day (sometimes more if time allows it), and every single time there's always something like that...
Among the changes, this also permits fursuiters wearing costumes (bathing suits, shorts, etc) to post without confusion.
So, if I am a fursuiter and I want to be Sears catalog underwear model for halloween, can I wear underwear over my fursuit? Does that fall under "etc"
Or what if I am a fursuiter and I want to be a baby for halloween? Is a diaper (over a fursuit) fall into "etc" ?
The AUP says:
indecently-clothed models (undergarments, diapers, lingerie, etc.) is prohibited.
When you say "model" do you mean a human person? or fursuiter? or both?
(in plain English) Neither nudity nor undergarments (underwear or diapers) are allowed,
Does that mean if I post a pic of a fursuiter with no clothing items, is that nudity?
So, in plain English... CAN WE POST PIC PIX OF FURSUITERS WEARING UNDERWEAR? OR A DIAPER?
Will consideration be made if it is done in a non fetishy / artistic / comedic / no pee or poop or bulging cocks manner?
But then I know that some fursuiters got photos taken down because it was a fursuit with underpants on... I'm confused, and the rule seems silly.
One step at a time, but stop being a fucking turtle about it DX
No offense to the turtles and tortoises around here, of course.
All we are doing is telling people that they don't need to be held accountable for their actions/words, so they say whatever they like. Sometimes it's not a big deal, but sometimes it is.
By the way, you've got beautiful artwork, especially that raspberry exchange pic. :)
I would suggest that the answer might be allowing hiding of comments for all still. But, leave the poster's name.
https://changelogs.furaffinity.net/.....Site_Changelog
Is lingerie considered underwear? Like the fembots of Austin Powers fame?
Flap-seat red union suits? As seen in old comedies like in the hair-washing scene in Support Your Local Sheriff?
that we have on sale that's not okay now? That is incredibly unfair to the users...
NO ONE reads journals! Please tell me that I am misunderstanding this rule.
If you make an entirely independent piece of art and include a line like "if you want some art from me check out this YCH I've got running" in the description, that's fine.
Also does that mean that Patreon ads are no longer allowed? They are made
strictly for advertising. If you are going to ban one and not the other then
that is even more messed up.
I especially want to know about the Patreon ad spam. I planned on making
a patreon for my childrens books and I only planned on making an
ad once a month for it.
Too many people SPAM THE ADS with either whole new images, cropped images,
or censored images and when like 50% of your inbox is patreon ads some days it's highly annoying.
I feel artists SHOULD be able to post ads for it but within reasonable amounts.
Either way you slice it, there is just no way to even enforce rules such as 'no ad reminders', because people will always find a rule around it, but aside from that, what you're doing is highly prejudiced toward artists who use methods such as that as a means to make money on this website, and you are completely ignoring the epidemic of people advertising their Patreon repeatedly in response.
Besides that, if you want to look at things from a business standpoint, then you're making the worst possible decision possible. If we can't make art for ads for our commissions, then why bother purchasing an ad-space on here for it in the first place? We would need to create art specifically to advertise our talents and services, and since we aren't allowed to do it for ourselves to make money through FurAffinity in the first place, there's no reason to spend money to advertise through FurAffinity. You're deliberately censoring a major artery for attention for artists by ignoring the fact that nobody looks at Journals, and that the most cost-effective way to sell anything is to have a visual representation of it.
I've opened for commissions 20 times on this website. 20 times, and only gotten a single customer through FurAffinity, which frankly is a huge crush to my desire to even do business through the website period. How can you justify being unfair to people who did follow this rule by saying nobody can do it, simply because you couldn't come up with a way to do it that was easy to enforce?
Can I still post my custom Ponies in my regular submissions? I meant hey are completely redone and usually have a lot of sculpt work. I know it's done on a toy base but it's still a form of art o3o. *scuttles away*
*dies laughing*
It's only social media if you participate in that portion of it. I just ignore that part of it.
If you don't like spam, don't read spam.
If you don't like selfies, don't look at them and don't post any yourself. There's plenty of things on this site I don't like. I don't demand the mods get rid of it; I just don't look at it.
And yes, it is their site, and they can change it how they want. You don't like that, leave, or buy the site from IMVU and run it any way you like.
If you're so alienated, door's over there. Again, nobody's holding you prisoner here. This ain't the only game in town if you don't like how it's run. If you like seeing the art hosted here, then why do you care about all this other stuff? None of it affects your ability to look at the art you want to look at.
Exactly. For >your< purposes.
An artist that wants to open commissions or wants to actually get some costumers or expand his costumer range is at check due to the constant flood on useless, furry unrelated things (Selfies, pictures of car engines or car parts, baby stuff, clothes they bought on discount at the nearest thrift store...) that show up on a daily basis. (And fun fact: it's called "spam" because it's something you are constantly forced to see/watch on a timely basis, and even though you want it, you can't ignore it).
And by that, there's a lot of them showing up for no reason. This site was thought for a community to share their interest on art related to anthropomorphic and feral creatures, for us to hang around and get to know everyone, make friends, not a popularity contest or a "Here's a selfie. I LOOK SO UGLY!! FAVE IF YOU DISAGREE" thing... Slowly, furaffinity is becoming a new Facebook or Instagram, where someone can seldom mass-upload selfies of their new make-up, or the pimple that's annoying them or even having sex while wearing their fursuits.
There's no need for that imo. This isn't furriesxtreme nor facebook.
And the "If you don't like it, get out of here" attitude... That's totally against the very basic courtesy our fandom was build around.
OK, let me be more courteous then. If you don't like it, find a site you do like. If I don't like what one store has, I leave the store and find another one that does have what I want. I don't stomp my feet and demand they change for me. And you know what the flaw in that example is? In a store, you're PAYING for what you want. Unless you're buying ad space here, you're paying FA nothing, and thus they owe you nothing,
And yes, you CAN ignore things you're not interested in. I do so on a daily basis. It's called not clicking on it if it doesn't match your interest.
Nothing you mentioned this site was designed for has gone away.
I feel like I'm repeating myself here, but the internet is a big place. This site doesn't meet your needs or wants, it ain't the only game in town. Find another site that does. Call that discourteous all you want, but I don't waste my time trying to force a site to be what I want it to be. I use it if I like it, I go elsewhere if I don't.
I like the "If you don't like it, scram!" attitude. I've dealt with someone here (on this very same page) with the same attitude and I just pretty much gave up. I don't feel like arguing with someone that presents me such childish argument. Most of the time it comes from "Yes" people...
Anyway, as I mentioned on several comments, I keep on stumbling upon non-furry stuff (car pictures, repeated selfies, make-up displaying selfies, people wearing baby clothes...) that are 0% related to the fandom. I agree with you: this isn't facebook, nor instagram. Artists that depend on sites like FA, DA, SF, etc for a living are getting "buried" by mass-uploading of irrelevant pictures here on a daily basis. I've seen a few, however, being uploaded as protest to these "changes" (which, by the new standards, "are still art", right?).
I moved to SF and, honestly, the only reason I didn't ditch FA is due to the fact some artists I follow are only / exclusively here.
I hope that, in case you're an artist looking for comissions, these shenanigans aren't harming you much. Cheers.
I know quite a few artists, and none have complained that any of the changes are making it any harder to find commissions. The majority I've talked to either don't care about the changes or didn't even know about them. Some of the stream attenders actually welcome the changes, if they even have an opinion about them at all.
Randomly browsing the site, the majority of it is still directly related to the fandom. Sure there's some non-furry stuff here now, but nobody's pointing a gun to my head forcing me to click on those. Before the change, a lot of stuff on this site was stuff I didn't like, but I just don't look at such things. I suppose I should have thrown a tantrum and demanded the admins remove such stuff instead, because that would have been a LESS childish attitude.
That estimate was not based on whether or not it was made in the UK. So, no actually.
or lost cause completely?
"AUP: "Self-portraits are limited to 3 uploads per account, unless the subject is wearing a costume."
FA has grown from a mere art site to an artistic community with a huge social group. Nobody wants the Selfie Police to knock on their door, and as such, we are no longer going to play that role."
"AUP: "Photography of random body parts that does not specifically showcase tattoos, custom jewelry, or body art is prohibited."
This rule has been removed and has ceased to be."
These two changes are what I have a small problem with, I don't like the further leaning towards FB or Tumbler/Instagram, "Okay, you can upload pictures of whatever part of your body you want as long as it's not your naked boobs or crotch...or showing yourself doing something sexual." The only request I have from these changes are that FA state in their AUP or somewhere that these new types of pictures go to a specific category, not just Photography...Other Stuff seems appropriate enough.
There is a difference between just snapping a picture and uploading, versus someone putting work into a picture to present it into an art form.
Also, where have the Next and Previous buttons gone?
If some of you have THAT big of an issue with seeing photos of random, non genitalia related body parts I think it's safe to say that you're way too easily offended, and if that's the case then you may want to reconsider the site you're currently using.
I also don't think anyone has a right to be snobby about 'artistic value'. What's considered appealing is different for everyone. I could look at a painting and think that it's the most hideous thing ever created, but then someone could come by behind me and think it's a stunning masterpiece.
There's a lot of content on here that I don't like. In fact, not liking it is putting the matter pretty lightly, but I don't go about whining because FA allows people to post it or comment on the submissions about how disgusting I find it or how it's not artistic. I unwatch the person or just move on to something else. Complaining about something so trivial like a lot of y'all are doing just makes you seem like narrow minded and entitled children. Get annoyed over content that actually matters, like when people post kiddie porn, hateful things or stolen material.
(As for my shots, tell me she isn't freaking HAWT ;V https://www.furaffinity.net/view/17216616/)
And I do think everyone has a right to be snobby about artistic value. Because a blurry photo of someones feet or hand that exists for the only purpose of showing those off is not art. Art doesn't have to be appealing, but it has meaning, or there was at least some effort put into it to convey something to the audience beyond "lol look at this :D".
I am a little biased when it comes to feet though. I can't even pick up other people's clean socks without starting to feel awful.
When the hell are we gonna be able to block certain artists/tags? There's a LOT of shit on this site I'd rather never see on the front page when I'm trying to find a new artist.
I'd rather just flat out block an entire artist's gallery, and if someone reposts something they got from them, hey it's just someone I can block in a moment or two and be on my merry way.
YESTERDAY YOU SAID TOMORROW!
MAKE. YOUR DREAMS. COME TRUE!
JUST DO IT!
JUST...DO IT!
Honestly, fuck all of you. People have a right to post their feet pics on here if their watchers are turned on by it.
If you're going to comment against these pics, then let me remind you: NOT EVERYONE IS YOU, DUMBFUCK.
This is the United States of America! I have the freedom to post pictures of my feet if I want!
If you can't accept that fact, you can go fucking fuck your fucking selves!
(And no, I'm not swearing to sound tough. I'm swearing because it's part of my fucking vocabulary.)
(Seriously, though, I got too into stating that no one should care.)
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If I'm wanting to start using the forums, do I need to make a whole different account to be able to access that section of FA? I've tried making an account for that since it seems to want me to have a separate account made, but it gives me a message saying "Sorry, registration has been disabled by the administrator."
and I'm not gonna stay, got alot of my pics removed
game screenshots and Photomorphs that been censored then I link them to another place,
but I guess this new Aup is more strict.
so yeah hope FA don't go wishy-washy and keep changing it minds
this was ok, then it not, then later on it's ok again...
You guessed wrong, this new AUP is less strict.
tell how "less" strict is it
I know i'm over reacting... who wouldn't?...
but i'm hating this place more, like how people hate Konami.
Significantly.
Added:
"Goods being sold through submissions may only be user-created or handcrafted items."
Removed:
AUP: "Variations of content are limited to 3 in the Gallery Folder. Further variations must be uploaded to the Scraps Folder."
It's your gallery. Upload variations as you see fit. If your followers do not like or appreciate what you're submitting they can vote with their +Watch. This gives power back both to artists and their followers as we believe our users are capable of choosing who they continue to watch based on the content they post.
AUP: "Self-portraits are limited to 3 uploads per account, unless the subject is wearing a costume."
FA has grown from a mere art site to an artistic community with a huge social group. Nobody wants the Selfie Police to knock on their door, and as such, we are no longer going to play that role.
AUP: "Images of mass manufactured items or collections of said items, including both modified or stock items (such as cars, guns with or without attachments, toys, plates), are restricted to the Scraps Folder and limited to no more than 3 per item or collection."
Users can now post a bit more of their personality to the site without fear.
AUP: "Photography of random body parts that does not specifically showcase tattoos, custom jewelry, or body art is prohibited."
This rule has been removed and has ceased to be.
COC: "Flooding is when you upload more than 10 submissions or 5 journals in a 24 hour period."
Users may now upload appropriate content to their galleries without worrying about hitting an artificial limit.
I just wonder why over 50 of my pics was taken down
and how ca i fix it, if i can't, I might just abandon this place
No, I said: You guessed wrong, this new AUP is less strict.
> I just wonder why over 50 of my pics was taken down
I'm not an administrator, I can't answer that question.
> and how ca i fix it, if i can't, I might just abandon this place
You can fix it by asking an administrator what you can do to avoid such issues in future and then adhering to the response provided.
nothing much I can do
but clean up then just use this place to chat
and don't post anything.
The Beta UI will be default by FAU, more awaited features coming after FAU.
Only gripe I have about it, is it seems.....squished....the whole page could do with being stretched across so you dont have those empty grey bars all up and down the either side.
Also, weren't we able to stretch the comment box when typing? To see the whole comment at once? Cant seem to do that anymore. I really would like that back. :(
Layout is getting SO much better in the Beta version, but I STILL dont like that grey space on either side of the page..... it hurts my odc... ;n;
You know, that thing many, many people (to my knowledge) have been asking for for quite a while now. Might want to get on that.
A large percentage of my art/uploads contain massive boobs, but never any 'actual' nudity; in the case of "topless"/"nude"/etc pics, characters never possess any nipples or genitalia or anything like that. I kinda semi-arbitrarily rate different pics as General or Mature, but a couple friends have told me that I could/should just rate everything as General because there's never any 'real' nudity. Could I get an 'official ruling' on that, maybe?
To answer your question, it looks like most of your art should be fine in General; as long as it doesn't show bulges of any genitalia or nipples, it doesn't need to be rated Mature for that sake.
The only problem now though possibly unrelated to the subject at hand, is that the thumbnails of recent uploads refuse to load properly. i dunno if it's just me, but on every last one of the uploads that were put up today at least aren't showing up for me at all even after browsing the front page at other people's works. I am just wondering if this has anything else to do with the site updates and other internal changes going on here. I did notice the various layout changes on each individual image with certain options being placed elsewhere and how it is more differently organized than before.
I hope all goes well. I know that changes take a while to be put into effect so I'll be waiting (even though I am unfortunately not all that active here on the community).
The art submission is down!!!
BUT still been posting my toys & stuffs in scraps anyway & will continue to do so