Good thing I didn't jump the bandwagon right away. Imma wait it gets fixed.. and price lowered :o

Sentiment echoed, here. And I'll really be looking forward to it once that fixing and price-lowering has happened!

Now to just get through a few other games in the mean-time, so I won't feel too guilty to buy it anyways...

*hi5s* agreed!!

Edis, you could always go in on a 4 pack through Steam. As a group you're only paying for 3 copies, so basically everyone pays under $40 for their copy.

looks fun.... gonna get it for ps3 when i can but i havent heard of issues on the console versions

i got it for the 360, and aside from a few small random (ie not game breaking) glitches, nothings gone wrong...

Sorry to hear all of that. Having fun with it on the PS3 (free online play=Win). :3

Not gonna be long before people start having hacked super weapons and stuff because the save games have the weapon info in plain text in them. you can increase the number of slots in your inventory supposedly too.

not too bothered about people making uber weapons and stuff, since I only want this for Co-Op so the cheaters are gonna be on my side. plus I wouldn't be surprised if Gearbox wanted people making all kinds of wacky suped up super weapons to trade.

But the other stuff is annoying, horrible port over and Why Gamespy? is this 1995? you'd think so with the plaintext game saves and the port forwarding!

it we have gone back in time that would explain WHY I'M NOT PLAYING MY L4D2 DEMO YET!

</derail>

That seems to be the case with most games these days. Rather than paying for more QA, having a longer beta, and fixing more shit before launch, they just hype it up and work off constant patches. Seems like a bad business model to me!

But yes, the game is still stupid fun.

How is that a bad business model? Things are going to need to be patched/fixed regardless of how long you beta, so you cut the price a little by cutting out paying all those fancy-pants nerds who just sit and play the game to tell you how bad it is...

There's a little more to QA than that. ^^ I suppose there is a fine line to be had though. Too much QA costs a lot, and not enough leaves broken games on launch. I've had no problems with the game so far.

It's pretty much one of those things that's a pain in the ass to get working at the moment (still fairly inexcusable considering it's major draw is the 4 person co-op) but I agree, once you get it going and get in a game with friends, it's insanely stupid fun.

And this thread has a number of tweaks you can do editing INI files (changing FOV, disabling start up movies, muting in-game voice, etc)

http://gbxforums.gearboxsoftware.co.....ad.php?t=79043

I took a look earlier. Disabling startup movies is a must, but the FOV "fix" is kind of hacky. Binding it to a key because it constantly changes back? Ehhh.

=I

I ... I just now noticed that the video options page scrolls down. I've been playing without dynamic shadows ALL THIS TIME.

*points to his post below* Maybe you should add an edit to your journal now? ^_^;

Ah, my roommate's trying to get a copy, and I've been told by a few people that I should, too. If it really feels like such a console port, though, I'd rather not. I tried Mercs 2 for the PC, and had just the same problem, sometimes you have to hit enter to press a button, sometimes you have to use the mouse, and the gratuitous auto-aim for 'tards on the console is pretty unpleasant. Not to mention hijacking vehicles.

Yeah, sounds like just the game I don't want to play, regardless of how awesome it's supposed to be. Which, with all the other stuff wrong with it, I guess would be "not very".

I want in on this game so bad but im totally addicted to DFO :U Plus i have too many other games in line D:

O snap I infected you D:

works aesome on the 360

prolly ported like you said

Agreed. Works great on the xbox.
And it is p. fun, I'm a fan of both genres that went into making it.

It -is- awesome, but...yeah, I've seen some BAAAAAAAAAAD glitches so far. They'll patch it soon enough. I'm pissed that I can't join into others games with an invite, it's like the game never wants to put me into any of them. >.>

Yeah...PC gamers are getting the short end now that the console is coming into it's own.

PC's still get the best graphics, whether or not the game is ported.

Yes, purty graphics mean so much when you can't play the game because it was intended and developed for a specific set of hardware.

They don't mean a whole lot unless blurred console graphics give you motion sickness.

Yeah...yeah. Now it sounds like you're just spouting off without any actual knowledge. I don't have time for fan-tards of any stripe.

Thank you for this post. You just saved me a bunch of money.

You didn't actually pay for it did you?

Maybe he's been looking forward to the game and wants to support the developer.

Why, what did you do instead of pay for it? (like it isn't obvious)

Try before you buy piracy is one thing, it's understandable.

But pirating just because you don't give a fuck, or just because you can? Way to be greedy.

If pirates would actually buy the stuff they like it wouldn't be such a hot issue, imo.

Online works fine with a pirated version and I haven't bought a pc game in years so why start now.

I don't expect to convince you but
1. What if I buy a game and it's terribly buggy or isn't fun to play or doesn't run well etc. I would be out 50-60 dollars that I simply can't really afford to lose
2. No reason not to, not to itemize ZC here but his purchase would balance out my non-purchase. Did YOU buy it?
3. I'll probably stop the torrent halfway because reviews will roll in and say the game is terrible. I only get maybe 50 kb/s on download so it takes me about a week to even get it. As such things like steam are meaningless cause I might as well just down it elsewhere for free.

After reading your logic, I don't expect to convince you either, but: You're the kind of pirate that screws things up for the rest of us.

#1 - If they don't have a demo then I can understand 'try before you buy' piracy. But it's at that point where pirates like yourself say something like "I haven't bought a pc game in years so why start now." Are you serious? You think this is a valid reason? It's no wonder these companies and lawmakers waste so much time and money on this; they all think we are like you, a snooty pirate. And if you don't think you're snooty after you've made a statement like yours I'd really question your character entirely.

#2 - Wait; one purchase will "balance out" an act of piracy? I challenge you to expand that to me because I really doubt you'll have a logical & reasonable way of explaining it that actually makes any sense.

To answer your question; I purchased the game because I want to support the developer in hopes they'll make Borderlands 2. I was able to find a great deal through Steam by purchasing a 4 pack and ended up only paying $38 for my copy. That offer is still open to everyone, btw.

#3 - The reviews have been averaging about 8.5/10.0 (at worst, a "B" grade). So you'll "just down it elsewhere" if you can get it "for free". It's only "free" for you, but it's cost the developer plenty of time and the publisher plenty of money to get the game out. Go ahead and try it out, but don't dupe yourself into thinking it's not worth the money if you've sunk 20 hours into the game.

At the end of the day, all I'm searching for is people to be reasonable. Pirating a game because they can get it "for free" isn't reasonable. If the roles were flipped you would want a fair shake too; You would want the people who did/do enjoy your product to actually pay for their entertainment experience.

How about this
I have no intention to buy it
I don't particularly want it
So what does it matter if I download it?
Also, as you can see by the image, there's at least twenty-eight thousand other people downloading it. (Not counting the thousands that already got it)
What does my download matter?

You can compare it to voting if you live in the states.

Your specific download makes just as much of a difference as every other download. It may be just a drop in the bucket but you are part of a bigger issue. I replied to you because of your damaging mentality of piracy. To re-quote you: "You didn't actually pay for it did you?" and "I haven't bought a pc game in years so why start now."

On the first quote; How do you think that makes paying customers feel? On the second quote; If any company/lawmaker read that, how do you think they'll take it?

I don't think it needs to be spelled out, but acting like that isn't helping you, me, other pirates or anyone else for that matter.So I'm not replying to you specifically, I'm replying to the group you're unintentionally representing.

Lastly, you can't compare it to voting because no matter if you vote or not someone is going to benefit from it. When you don't pay for your games, no one benefits. Companies want you to play their games, but they were made so they could make a living. All of those potential customers (pirates) out there need to be honest with themselves and pay up when these companies did a good job.

...And that is what I think would be reasonable. Thanks for reading.

I'm not replying to you specifically, I'm replying to the group you're unintentionally representing.

So it doesn't really matter what I say then, you're just assuming all pirates are the same and lumping me in with the rest.
So I see no reason to plead my case.
I would say you are the one that's the problem here.

Apparently you didn't read my posts properly then. Not every pirate says what you said, and what you said is not reasonable in any way. My point was; Pirates who act like you (snooty about piracy) is ruining things for the rest of us.

As I said before; it's not all your fault, but you are a drop in the bucket, so here's my equal thanks to you and all the other 'drops' out there for giving the lawmakers a reason for something like Net Neutrality.

I hope it was worth it.

Well I suppose you have a lot of disposable income to spend on vidya then

You want to hear my reason for piracy?
Because I'm a cheap bastard and get things as cheap as possible
Since you're so knowledgeable I'm sure you know that the used games trade is just as damaging as piracy
Do you see governments trying to pass laws banning the trade of used games?
The developers aren't getting any money out of it, so it must be just as bad as piracy
Why would you pay more if you can get the same item for less in the same condition?

Also, this:
I purchased the game because I want to support the developer in hopes they'll make Borderlands 2.
You bought a game, with no experience of the game other than hype, and you want them to make a sequel when you haven't played the first one?
I find that rather hard to believe.

"Well I suppose you have a lot of disposable income to spend on vidya then"
No, not really. I still don't understand why you think it's okay to never pay for your games. You pirate them, play them, get some entertainment value out of them, but then you never give back? You never throw a dog a bone? Do you also not tip your waiters? If you went to a donation concert would you just not donate anything? I'm seriously interested in your thought process because I want to know if you think other people are here just to entertain you, or something less selfish. I think it's more than reasonable to buy the games (or other entertainment) you enjoy. It's passed the test, you got to seriously try before you buy.. are you that bad with money? Do you not budget your money out before you spend it all? I know this is a lot of questions but I really do want to know. I want to get into that mindset you're in and try to understand it.

"Since you're so knowledgeable I'm sure you know that the used games trade is just as damaging as piracy"
Completely false statement on so many levels. According to Gamestop nearly 70% of all trade currency is spent on new products. Taking in those trades to sell them at a profit keeps people employed because companies (like Gamestop) can better afford it. Also it saves people money because used games are cheaper than brand new. So while a new sale is not equal to a used sale (to the publisher) it's not even close to as damaging as piracy.

Piracy may save people money (because it's "free") but at what cost to others? (talked about below)

"The developers aren't getting any money out of it, so it must be just as bad as piracy"
The developers under most conditions are under contract of the Publisher. The developers have already been paid, they get paid hourly/salary over the course of the production, and perhaps there are some milestones that will get them bonuses if their game sells well, etc. The publishers are the money, they put most of it forth, so they get most of the money from the sales.

So the cost falls on the Publisher and/or the companies that stocked the product (costing them all plenty), under current metrics the publisher will consider the project a loss and not publish and/or employ the developer anymore. There needs to be a cycle or else the whole system breaks down (over time). And just think in the long run, the less money/sales that is coming in from games, the less companies are going to risk sinking any more money into the industry itself. The only reason we have the blockbuster games of today is because it's backed by a $17 Billion industry (maybe even more now). If it was only a $3 Billion industry, do you think we'd see the same quality and quantity of games put out? I doubt it.

"Why would you pay more if you can get the same item for less in the same condition?"
Why are you pretending that these games are made out of thin air? People make them, companies publish them, etc. It's not a perfect system but it certainly employs a ton of people in the process. And you're falling into a trap; when it comes to digital things the quality isn't an issue. In fact supply & demand aren't even an issue (most times). Quality, supply, demand.. all of those things were used in conjunction with what you're actually selling to figure out a 'market value'. But now, with digital things, none of those things factor in. You're not buying anything physical, so you (technically) can't resell it. What does it all mean? You're paying for the experience, because that's all they have left to sell.

So here's the problem: You're experiencing the digital product and not paying for them when the experience itself is all they have to sell!

Now I'm not completely defending the current digital market, I think it's absurd to pay full price for something you get no physical items with & cannot resell (or even give away) like traditional media. It is flawed and it needs to change drastically before it's fair for consumers. But lets not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

"You bought a game, with no experience of the game other than hype, and you want them to make a sequel when you haven't played the first one?"
Gearbox actually has made games before this one and they have done a pretty good job on Half-Life and the Brothers in Arms series. So not only did they have a track record, I also had plenty of time to see gameplay footage, read previews, reviews, FAQs, etc. So I didn't purchase blindly, but I did bargain hunt finding a good deal on Steam. And yeah, the game sounded great, I loved the artistic direction and all of that.

I respect that people want to 'try before they buy', but then again we just have to return to your original statements that sparked all of this in the first place: "You didn't actually pay for it did you?" followed by "I haven't bought a pc game in years so why start now."

You remind me of me x3

And before someone tries to call me out on it: Gearbox didn't make Half-Life but they did port it to several systems over the years.

You're persistent, I'll give you that.
But as I said below, I'm tired of arguing, and there's really nothing you can say that will stop me.

And to answer your question, the job market in my area is terrible and I've been unemployed for about 5 months now.
So no, I can't spend 60+ a month on whatever new game is out for 10 hours of gameplay.

It sucks to be jobless, hope you find something soon, but you should really stop sounding like this: "You didn't actually pay for it did you? I haven't bought a pc game in years so why start now. And there's really nothing you can say that will stop me." It makes you look bad.

Fight the good fight brotha. I work in the industry and I want to put an elbow in the teeth of petulant pirate pukes with incomprehensible motives like him every day. I'll also say that there are quite a few valid reasons for pirating something, he exhibited none of them.

Piracy isn't going to stop. Companies need to find a way to co-exist somehow. But people need to be reasonable now before some weird form of piracy martial law is enacted that allows law enforcement to snoop in to your computer at will or something horrible like that. Case in point: Net Neutrality (look it up, prepare to be shocked)

I belong to the group of people who actively fight net neutrality, and other bullshit laws made to protect the copyright. The irony is that anti-piracy rarely works. Going without DRM is sometimes beneficial infact.

Plus there been shown that sometimes, some pirates wouldn't buy the full game anyway even if they was unable to pirate it.

What I meant the part with DRM is that some games who dosen't use DRM get's free press for said fact.

Er, I'm confused. From what I understand, Net Neutrality is internet provided free of restrictions on content, sites and so on.

What's so bad about it, exactly? I don't want my internet provider telling me what I can and cannot look at. Kinda defeats the purpose of "free access to information", don't it?

Just out of curiosity, where exactly do you work in "the industry?"

How much time do you have? The short answer is that I have worked in many different aspects of the videogame industry over the last near decade, including working for companies like IGN and GameSpy for a few years. Nothing tremendous though like heading development of a game or anything, but a lot of things here and there from journalism, to advertising, running a major game site, giving speeches on the industry, etc etc etc. I currently am the host of a major up and coming gaming network.

Have you worked on developing a game?
As in real programming or working at the company that makes it doing more than reporting.
Do you see money when a game sells well?
Because from what I know, IGN and gamespy are magazines and reporting sites that don't really have any impact on how a game performs or is made.
You act all high and mighty when in actuality pirates have no effect on your income or work.

I could go on for a year at how stupid what you just said is, but be briefer than I should. You are telling me that the advertising campaign I design and build for a major title has nothing to do with or impacts how a game performs? GameSpy also designs a lot of the technology that you see in many of those games you pirate, which apparently has nothing to do with how a game is made according to you. Since you are a pirate you might not see that "Powered by GameSpy" symbol on a box. IGN/GameSpy also owns Direct2Drive, a distributor of said games that was in the same office as me and were guys I worked with every day. We also communicate with developers and publishers on a daily basis.


Yeah, I could go on, but I'm just going to call you a retard right here and leave it at that.

Well you know
Once developers start making good games I'll start paying for them
But until then I pirate and save my money for more important things, like bills and food.
I'm kinda tired of trying to argue my point, so I'll just say there's really nothing you can do to stop piracy short of completely stopping the industry.
You might go on and on about how it's 'wrong' and 'killing the industry' but it's pretty commonly known that isn't the case.
It might be wrong, but who's going to stop them? Unless the police start busting down doors and confiscating people's computers it's not going to stop, and that's just completely implausible. Even then people would still do it. Why do you think people break laws? Granted with more severe things they get arrested or caught, but petty theft is rarely punished, and for something to the tune of about 50bux a month or so I hardly see anyone going to jail.
You are a dying breed, as piracy becomes more and more simple to perform there's going to be more and more people doing it. Because again, why pay for something if you can get it for free?

Also I don't appreciate the 'retard' tag, I would prefer 'troll' or 'jerkbait'

"Once developers start making good games I'll start paying for them"
Sounds like you're just duping yourself. To suggest there's not been any worthwhile games in the last few years is impossible. You're just saying they're bad so you don't have to spend money. Quit lying to yourself. =/

Like the fact that sometimes pirating something is much easier and faster than the real deal? Sometimes by months or years?

I admit I do both, although I never really pirate new games. Only old ones that isn't sold new. Happens I pirate TV series too, but I usually wind up buying DVD's of older shows at the same time so... it's more a matter of fact that they aren't broadcasting the same episodes everywhere at once.

EH! Logical fallacy.

"If they don't have a demo then I can understand 'try before you buy' piracy."

Why would you buy something you already have?

That's like somebody coming up to you, giving you a television, asking if you want to pay for it, and no matter what you choose you get to watch the same TV.

Perhaps if gamer developers didn't up the price of games on a weekly basis and produced reliably good games (Not saying anything about Borderlands, I just mean there've been some stinkers with high marks) then piracy might go down. Many people simply can't afford to pay fifty bucks for a hunk of plastic in a pretty box right now.

I don't consider honesty to be a logical fallacy.

Honesty is not what's being called into question. It's the logic of his statement.

Well the logic of your analysis is fundamentally flawed in the idea that it's ok to break the law as long as there are no consequences. Your analogy even is erroneous, nobody is giving you something and asking if you want to keep it for free or pay for it, you are STEALING it. Due to the murky nature of online downloads a more apt analogy would be as follows. You could either buy the game outright and not know if it's good till you've already spent your money, or you could borrow it and see first before spending your money. If you don't like it you simply give it back and nobody lost anything. If you do like it then you pay for it and keep it. Or you could be a complete bastard and say fuck everybody but myself I'm keeping it and my money.

An honest person will occasionally indulge in try before you buy piracy for games that do not offer demos. I myself have done this plenty of times. It's quite simple you download a game that does not offer a demo to see if you like it. If you like it you go out and buy it, if you don't you delete it and the developer does not lose a sale either way. Just because you didn't get caught doesn't mean it's ok to keep ill gotten gains, that and people generally like to support good developers. Mind you piracy in general is wrong, but when you buy the damn game anyway it's pretty much a wash. In the end it just comes down to honesty.

I'm not saying Piracy is okay as long as there are no consequences. I was making the point that it's just stupid to download the full version of something with no restrictions and buy the same thing later on, as the person I originally replied to was stating.

And we are telling you it happens all the time. As a matter of fact this was posted this morning reiterating a long standing fact in the music industry. http://gizmodo.com/5394593/its-stil.....buy-more-music I'm not saying that the videogame industry is exactly the same, piracy is a scourge of the game industry, but I'm not going to discount one of the only upshots to piracy that actually makes developers money seeing as I know it to be true just because you think it's stupid.

Perhaps a better metaphor would be if you stole a TV to test it with your home theater system, and then left money in the store once you decided that yes, it was a good product with a fair price. Of course, that somewhat falls apart in that the store freaks because they noticed a TV missing, and they freak because they don't expect to get paid, which is a problem because that individual TV cost money to make... so yeah, good comparisons are hard to do. Maybe... you saw a street performer, went up to see if his music was any good, and then gave him some change if it was? It's a matter of decency. The only reason you get the item for free in the first place is because you're trying to see if it's good. If so, the makers should be compensated. If not, they shouldn't be encouraged.

Yeah.

Good heavens, you brewed up quite the shit storm! =D

So it seems.
I don't have any problems with people paying for PC games, I just think if you can get it for free there's no real reason not to, and since the pirated version works online just like the retail one this is a special case.

http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=13826
About 300k sales
And there were about 28k pirates on that torrent

So I wouldn't say pirates are in overwhelming numbers
And there are still a lot of people that haven't bought it yet so

PC just been getting shafted alot lately. Since they can make more money with Xbox and PS3, they just do half ass stuff with the pc or just a port right from xbox.

They say COD:MW2 is not going so good for PC for that same reason.

Yep. They took out dedicated servers and replaced them with the same "casual" sever stuff that the HD twins (Xbox360 and PS3) get. Plust, they removed the ability to make Mods for Modern Warfare 2.

I was sad when I found out. And I haven't even played that many games lately.

Find the sniper rifle parts. Okay. There's part one. Part two? Where are you? Inside this spawn hut? I can't get in there, damnit!!

Yeah, that part of the rifle is in an accessible place but the radar thing is wrong. It's in that section of the map, though. Just search.. everywhere within 150 feet D:

Xbox version works great! :D Pewpewpew!

Apparently I'm one of the handful of people that has no problems hosting.
Been playing almost nonstop with my 4-man group since it came out, can host perfectly since I don't use a router at all.

I've been having fun with mine and haven't had too many issues. Though Gamespy does suck pretty bad, yes. =(

I don't understand what you mean by "awkward menu controls", I've been playing for a good 20 hours now (already >_<) and haven't had an issue with it. o.o;

The "restrictive" field of view is a little low, but it's not that bad (you can still see everything you need to see). Plus you get used to it pretty quickly.

As far as video options, you must have missed the little down arrow to all of the other options, like: Anisotropic Filtering, Dynamic Shadows, Bullet Decals, Foliage Quality, Game Detail, Ambient Occlusion, Bloom, Depth of Field, and Flare Outs.

You could also try a few tweaks people figured out: http://forums.gametrailers.com/thre.....ble-vsy/951434

And... Snipers for the win! :p

More Like Boringlands

I just found a shotgun that fires rocket-propelled explosive shotgun shells. It's too awesomely bizarre to be boring! =D

They have that in Unreal Tournament and it's just called a rocket launcher!

Borderlands has rocket launchers too.. he was talking about an elemental effect in the game. c.c;

;~;

I'm a wet towel to the Borderlands party.

I can't see FPS ever actually being fun in an MMO-RPG setting because.. It just doesn't appeal to FPS players from the CS-days and further back.

It's like Doom fans vs HL fans, vs... blah blah blah..

I dunno. My gun should be a gun should be a gun and I can feel it when the game designer is intentionally hampering the damage I can deal for the sake of a RPG.

Well, just like IRL some guns are stronger than other guns, right? This is just a fantasy extension of that. In the game some gun makers just make better guns, or make them better in a certain way. Part of the fun is finding the better weapons to suit your needs. Not to mention there are skills you get to increase through the game that make you better in how you play. :)

A lot of that has nothing to do with the gun itself and more to do with the ammunition. A lot of ammunition is freely available and doesn't come in a great deal of varieties. Accessibility is limited by profession, but even then, it can be acquired at places such as a gun convention, where an AR-15 can be made full-auto by the various gunsmiths and parts sales.

Buuuut. That's not a tremendous difference. The firepower comes from rate of fire alone, not from caliber. Soooooo I DUNNO.

It's not satisfaction! Huxley pulled the same B.S., but at least the PvP was fairly fun.

So your complaint is that the weapons, rather than ammo type, impact the damage?

My complaint is that their depiction of weaponry isn't realistic and that, for me, ruins the game's enjoyement factor.

Paintball versus Airsoft hits the video game world.

I dont play either :^)

I was comparing it to the argument that some airsoft players have of "PAINTBALL SUCKS COS THE GUNS AREN'T REALISTIC >:c"

Though I do prefer airsoft.

Realistic weapons are happy making. C:

Eh, it's a game with a chick who turns invisible and a turret that heals people within 10 feet of it, you have to take some things with a grain of salt. Or just decide it's not for you :3

I did decide it wasnt for me!

It's not an MMO-RPG setting D: How... how do those genre have settings?

The game is really stupid fun. Having just played the free Killing Floor trial, I know how powerful a gun can feel in a game, where even the pistol makes this colossal BANG and will take off limbs. Borderlands isn't like that at the start, but as you get more powerful, it becomes pretty fucking awesome. Then you realize the game is less about the challenge of traditional FPS gameplay, and more about just feeling like some sort of Weapon God.

For a quick frame of reference, a starting pistol might have a damage of 10-12.
At level 18 I currently carry:
* A sniper rifle that does 135 damage, fires 2.1 shots per second and has a chance to do x3 incendiary damage (which, if it's lethal causes the enemy to try and pat the fire off while they disintegrate into embers... if not, causes them to burst into flames and take fire damage for a while)
* A revolver that does 66 damage per bullet and somehow fires 7 bullets at once in a very tight cluster, with a 3.7x scope, effectively making it a shotgun at assault rifle ranges
* An SMG which does 20 damage and has a high chance of doing x3 electric damage

In practice, the sniper rifle causes lower-level enemies to explode into meat sprays with chunks flying 50 feet or more. The revolver can one-shot anything below level 14 and usually blows people off at the torso. The SMG I just keep for when I need to unload a lot of bullets at weaker enemies, but it's still pretty damn good too.

So yeah, even though the game has lots of stats and such, with weapons you get later on, your weapons become pretty unreasonably bad-ass. FPS skills still help of course, it's not like KOTOR where the game will take over all your aiming tasks, but this ain't no tactical shooter. It's quite simply about collecting crazy guns (would you rather have a shotgun which regenerates ammo faster than you can fire it, or one that does x2 explosive damage on top of the 200+ damage it does already?) and doing crazy shit with your friends.

hhhhnnnnnghhhhhhh

Confirming that Borderlands is a far-post-release "going live" game.

If TehSean is serious, then yes I will agree XD

I just returned the 360 version cause it is a pretty boring game. It's not a bad game, but unless you have a bunch of friends, actual friends and not just random folks, it's really not that fun. They toss dozens of weapons at ya and that is it really. Very little singleplayer entertainment and pretty much built entirely around the co-op idea. And hearing that the ending was awful, even worse than Fallout 3, I was certainly not gonna keep it. Traded it in to pay off my Modern Warfare 2 pre-order, since at least with that I know I'll have friends that want to play it and a reasonable singleplayer experience.

At least the game release on the 360 was solid, though I only got to level 16.

We will play again bitch :P

I'm Cadyrrabbit on Borderlands. I need to get a new PC before REALLY getting into it. Been playing it on a borrowed PC, and it's a lot better than I had thought.

There ain't no rest for the wicked.

I haven't had any problems with Borderlands, except that VSync won't work even when you force it to "True" in the configuration files.

Also, the whole menu controls crap has been around for years, god knows why anyone thought it was a good idea. I suppose it's a desperate stab at trying to give an arcade-ish feel or some shit.

But yeah, I'm only level 18 in the game right now, but it's been enjoyable thus far.