In a better world, you never did take it down and people still agreed with you. :(

Did I miss something?

It seems I missed something.

More asshole child groomers.

Wow. Shame I missed it then. If even you thought you were being too heavy handed with the "Asshole child groomers" it must have really been something.

Paramount Plus sponsored a child drag show.

Cool!

Really?

Sounds cute and funny.

What, are you afraid they're gonna turn kids gay or something?

Or something.

Feel free to elucidate.

You do understand the difference between gender and sexuality, don't you? -Or maybe you don't.

Okay, what does HIV have to do with this?

Show me the drag queen child predators, please. You can't. Bet you can't find even one.

Drag queens reading stories to kids aren't preying on them. That's a conspiratorial right-wing panic whipped up for political purposes. And you seem to have bought it, as usual.

Sexual responsibility.
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Cool. You found one that had some kiddie porn. Still doesn't mean that reading stories to kids is a problem, or that drag queens are more likely than anyone else to abuse kids.

Do you object to people who aren't drag queens reading stories to kids? Because there are way more of those people, so the chances of one of them abusing kids is actually far higher.

And what about the HIV thing?

Not at all. It has nothing to do with politics. I'm just making the point that being a drag queen doesn't make someone any more likely to abuse children more than any other particular thing would, and you'll never find any evidence to back up such a claim.

Oh, and you haven't kicked abakan off yet? You said you were going to block people here that block others. He doesn't seem to be able to handle having an adult conversation with someone who might disagree with him.

I'm not trolling you, by the way, but I assume you know that. I'm just making a point. He's just pissy because I took issue with some stuff he said.

I showed you evidence. I know there was one drag queen who spoke out against children being involved.

But it doesn't prove anything.

What is it that makes you think drag queens are more likely than anyone else to abuse kids?

Hey sooooo, just want to note since I didn't see Alex pointing it out so I will. I would have done so in response to this.

"Sounds cute and funny.

What, are you afraid they're gonna turn kids gay or something?"

No I just think it's sexualizing kids to have them dress up and perform strip pole dancing shows for money.

Where was it said that there was any sexual aspect to this show? All I've heard was that it involved kids in drag.

Pole dancing... for money.... there's video of it. this is not an isolated case. o_O But irregardless, that's what was being discussed in the journal that was taken down.

Drag in and of itself is not necessarily bad, but 'forcing' it down peoples throats when they are 5-9 is not very appropriate. But hey this is the same crowd that has no problem lowering these age groups IQ by 20 points by forcing masks on children. *shrugs*

Since you had missed the journal and videos, I was just pointing it out. Enjoy your argument with Alex and showing everyone where your priorities are. ^_^

Having not seen Alex's post, and having not seen the show itself, I would reserve judgment. These things are so easily twisted.

I was careful to keep my argument within my knowledge of facts as I've seen them, and that was noted.

"Drag in and of itself is not necessarily bad"

Agreed. Drag is not necessarily bad, and may I add for emphasis, sexualized. It is gender play. Kids naturally do it all the time without the influence of adults.

"But hey this is the same crowd that has no problem lowering these age groups IQ by 20 points by forcing masks on children. *shrugs*"

Please elucidate. It's not clear what you're saying here.

And if by "Kids wearing masks" you mean protecting kids, their relatives, and the general populace, some of whom may not be able to be vaccinated or are particularly susceptible to it from covid, that's a dangerous and truly selfish and misinformed position to take. Everyone who can should be wearing masks to protect themselves and those around them.

Wearing masks and getting vaccinated are a very small thing to ask on behalf the health and livelihood of absolutely everyone on the planet.

I'm just going to say this, drag queen shows or events are 18+, they're considered adult/erotic entertainment not meant for children. Why are we trying to include impressionable children in something like that? That sounds like a bad idea, and raises a bunch of red flags.

But we're not talking about adult drag shows. People in drag reading to kids, and I'll go ahead and assume this upcoming show with kids in drag, involve nothing to do with adult topics, sex, or sexuality, to my knowledge.

Not only that, but I've been to a couple of drag shows. Sure, they were risque, but they weren't restricted to adults, and they contained nothing that would likely be harmful to children. I've seen things with content of a more overtly sexual nature on TV, as a kid or an adult.

I think you are missing the point... drag shows are viewed as adult or erotic entertainment, not safe for kids or work entertainment. So when people see parents or adults creating a kids in drag, drag show, it raises red flags. These adults are grooming children into doings acts that most people view as sexual and erotic. That's what I see, that's what a lot of other people see.

We've all watched things on TV that we shouldn't as children, I remember secretly watching adult swim when I was still a kid. I remember seeing the rating for the show in the top corner, TV-MA or TV-14. I also know that I'd get in trouble if my parents caught me watching that content because I was too young to view it.

Following that logic, the majority of drag shows being 18+ and up, it's not something meant for kids. It has an adult rating.

Okay, granting that it might raise red flags for some, that's as likely to be based on ungrounded fear of trans or crossdressing people as any actual threat that they might pose. I have yet to see where drag story times or this show involve adult topics, sex, or sexuality. There's a difference between sex and gender.

Nothing wrong with raising red flags. Of course everyone wishes to protect kids. But this current hubbub over "Grooming", trans people, etc. is purely cynical political manipulation by right wing think tanks and politicians.

I saw things as a kid that were intended for adults as well. Can't say I recall any that managed to damage me in any way. The only ones I can think of that were at all traumatizing involved violence or gore as opposed to sexuality, and even those I can't say did any damage. They were just very memorable and affecting, and ultimately not in any negative way.

It may not be the case for every kid, I'll only speak for myself here. But kids in general are a lot smarter and tougher than many people are willing to give them credit for, particularly if adults talk with them honestly about things. I was raised by parents who talked to me like an adult, talked frankly about any subject that came up, and didn't BS me about serious topics.

Oh, and in case it needs to be mentioned, this "Grooming" stuff also reeks of Qanon conspiracy crap as well.

Okay, I can clearly see you do not wish to view it from another angle or perspective, just your own narrow perspective. Anyone with a differing opinion is clearly wrong or some crazy conspiracy theorist, therefore you must throw out a negative label to discredit the opposing opinion, instead of acknowledging it as having some merit. No point in continuing this conversation anymore, because it's not going to progress towards anything meaningful, have a wonderful day stranger.

Good way to not engage with a single point I made.

But have a wonderful day as well.

You make great points. Thank you.

Thank you as well.

Trying to have a reasonable conversation around here can be like shouting into an empty cave sometimes.

I posted here because I have a tendency to want to speak out for those I see as being exploited, oppressed or discriminated against.

I don't engage in conspiracy theory nonsense. If you're referring to my comment about this "Grooming" crap that's being cynically pushed by some right wing politicians, etc., that's just documented fact. If you think you can prove otherwise, I'd love to see it.

I always welcome other opinions or views. I wouldn't have posted here otherwise. Particularly if they can be backed up with good arguments or facts. This particular agenda seems to be really short on those, however.

If you or anyone else has any good arguments, comments, or facts to share, I'd love to see them.

Why are you still posting? My argument still stands, it is not okay to put minors/children in sexual situations.

You can keep saying drag queen shows aren't sexual, but you have to be 18 and over to attend these shows. So that tells me it's a sexually driven show for adults, not children.

Did you even read what I wrote?

The discussion was not about drag shows until you came along. You're the one that brought that up. It was about drag storytimes for kids, and, I guess, some new show that was going to involve kids in drag.

There is absolutely nothing dangerous or sexual about kids watching someone in drag read stories.

There is nothing inherently sexual about drag. Apparently I need to say it again: Gender and sexuality are two different things.

And, as I said, I've been to drag shows (Which were, incidentally, completely randomly in completely different places a long time apart) that weren't restricted to adults and had no adult content, so your statement is just not always true.

Drag Storytime is a bad idea and a show about kids in drag is also a bad idea, because it comes off as adults grooming children into doing things that most of the world deems erotic or sexual, because drag queen shows and events are usually, almost always, for people who are eighteen and older. Why people label this as grooming, because of the sexual nature of most drag queen shows and events. Bye again.

Okay  megacycle, you've blocked me. It's pretty clear who has a closed mind here.

Drag storytime is perfectly innocent. If you read something sexual into it, that's entirely on you. Have you ever even been to one? No, you haven't. Do you really think parents would take their kids to them if they were sexual or dangerous in any way? That makes no sense.

You clearly don't understand the difference between gender and sexuality. Look it up.

There is nothing inherently sexual about drag. Automatically calling it "Grooming" is just ridiculous.

This is equivalent to the kooks who think that gay people can't be trusted with children or that homosexuality is equivalent to bestiality.

But yeah, do have a good day.

Sorry, mobile makes the block button huge and easy to accidentally press.

In the end, we both have different world views. I deem drag as sexual because that's how most people view it.

https://youtu.be/TdVVtNt45jE

Now can you please stop using buzz words and terms to discredit people with opposing points of views.

Thanks for your reply. I don't believe in blocking people myself. I never have. It stifles communication.

You are, of course, welcome to your own opinion, and I believe I've made my point.

I strive to avoid buzzwords. Everything I said came from my heart and the knowledge that I've managed to gain in the decades I've been on the planet.

Take care, and do have a good day.

while drag queens are part of the LGBTQ+ culture, they are not sexual and contrary to what you claim, most people do not consider drag queens as sexual.

conservatives, american ones in particular, view drag queens as sexual but they are not most people.

for example, i myself live in germany and here, most people do not consider drag queens as necessarily sexual. of course you can make being a drag queen sexual if you want to but just being a drag queen isn't sexual.

as a matter of fact, here in germany, we had a reality TV casting show called "queen of drags" which was about various drag queens competing against each other for the title of being the queen on prime TV or something...

the show wasn't done late at night with porn stuff but regular prime time stuff either. because guess what? it wasn't sexual.

they even wanted to do a second season but then the pandemic hit which mucked things up...

so yeah, bottom line:

drag queens aren't sexual and most people do not consider drag queens to be sexual either

if you consider drag queens sexual, you have every right to feel that way but please be aware that this is a You thing and most people do not feel the same about drag queens.

Drag queen shows and events are for adults, you have to be eighteen years old or older to attend the majority of these events and shows, here in America.

Primetime TV is evening to late evening TV, from 7:00 PM to 11:00 PM and has a TV rating of TV-14 or higher. The same time slot with TV dramas that love to include border line pornographic sex scenes, the scenes where you see the bed sheets moving, hear some moaning and grunting, and see partial nudity, along with a bunch of other things not meant for young kids. Is that the time slot you are talking about? Do you have a different definition of primetime TV where you live?

nope its pretty much the same with time slots.

don't remember the first time i saw moving bed sheets and moaning in any shows/movies put on around that time... I think i was maybe 8? I grew up watching Bond flicks, among other things. I didn't know what sex was, didn't understand nor did I care for it. I mostly watched that stuff because James Bond was a badass and he looked cool saving the world and shooting bad guys.

*shrugs*

every kid watches stuff that is not age appropriate. i dunno what else to tell you.

i watched stuff rated 13+ long before i was that age, lol XD

like many other kids...

I think i was 6 or 7 when I got to watch the very first Jurassic Park. watched it together with my mom who skipped one or two scenes, the scene where the guy on the toilet gets eaten by the T-Rex and another one because she thought that was a little bit much but otherwise we watched the whole thing.

had a blast.

good memories...

Trust me, it exists, for some shows it was a rare occurrence and for other shows it was more prominent and sometimes annoying because it was just there to pad out the runtime, like a family guy cut away gag that lasts one minute too long.

Kick the troll to the curb and do not feed him. He just wants the attention.

I mean from the title I was able to catch from it, you aren't exactly wrong given their behavior these days.

It’s okay still I agree with everything you mentioned in there. Sorry you had to take it down.

I wasn't forced.

Oh sorry about that.

What was it?

Just more people grooming kids.

Smart move, you know that certain folks were going to endless clutch their pearls and get sand up their vaginas and scream, shout and stamp their feet you addressed their sacred cow openly.


BTW, Yer still a pussy!

Damn, Rabbi. You're such an effin misogynist...

oh FA just loves putting naughty boys like us into the time out corner...while the bullies run the school yard ._.

Chip Alan.

Those fags?

Yes. That bunny needs to get bottomed.

ok!

First Netflix, and now Paramount. Who's next in having disgusting media involving exploiting minors?

If you see the children of a lot of these actors and corporate heads you understand why they are sexualizing other kids. Because they have sexualized their own kids.

Which is just as disturbing honestly.

It ain't just the sexual side of things either, as TV/Hollywood never seems to learn its lesson with child actors and putting them in the spotlight, usually forcing them down a career path they either don't want or aren't able to act, thus fucking them up mentally when people harshly criticise their performance.

That's not to say that there hasn't been signs of improvement over the years, since shows like Bluey apparently never reveal the child actors names in the credits. Still, it's just baby steps towards it. :T

S'okay, man, I still agree with ya. :)

Shame but thank you for letting us know. ^_^

Looking forward to the fun arGOLLUMt though!

I don't blame you for taking it down, but I fully agree with what you had to say in the previous journal.

I agree with you.

I tried some googling about this based on what was said in the comments of this journal and the only source for this whole "Paramount Plus sponsored a child drag show" seems to be Tim Pool.

you do know that conservatives like Tim Pool have a history of lying and going out of his way to demonize and vilify the LGBTQ+ every chance he can, right?

Please either visit 4chan or just say people are lying...I have seen dozens of pictures of sexualized little boys.
Tim Pool doesn't need to lie.

I don't want to argue this out with people who ignore picture evidence.

isn't 4chan the place where the Buffalo shooter got radicalized because things like the great replacement conspiracy theory are being pushed there?

yeah, no thanks. I'll pass on 4chan, thank you very much...

Then believe that.
Your lectures don't over ride picture evidence.

if you want to know what I believe:

I believe that conservatives like Tim Pool, Steven Crowder, Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan and many many more are using every opportunity given to them to demonize and vilify the LGBTQ+ because that is what their audience likes who, in turn, reward them with attention and money.

I have not seen any of these pictures you speak of so I will reserve my judgement until I do.

I do not trust Tim Pool and I do not trust you either because you have a habit of believing outlandish conspiracy theories without sufficient evidence and jumping to conclusions without trying to hear the other side of the argument.

also Tim Pool lies all the fucking time, not just about the LGBTQ+ but other stuff too. he's a doom and gloom preacher who got rich as fuck by telling lies and preaching doom and gloom, and he continues to get even richer continuing this.
do your research, dude...

Sorry but when I offered evidence I got censored so.....

Nah.