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Apparently even posting WIPs of your work is considered removable if some troll reports it falsely as being an AI image on FA.
It's been a week since my 70+ favourite image has been removed to the dismay of several of my patrons who have even considered leaving FA because of this. Several non-artists have had their commissions removed again from years prior to AI even being a thing, a simple FA search shows this:
https://reddit.com/r/ArtistHate/com.....gainst_ai_and/
https://furaffinity.net/journal/10600829/
https://furaffinity.net/view/54378297/
https://furaffinity.net/journal/10415399
https://furaffinity.net/journal/10543383/
Naturally as a artist who spends A LOT of time on each piece, this is profoundly upsetting. I was also warned as a result.
It is great that FA forbids AI, but the system is way too trollable and should follow "interrogate before delete" not "delete before interrogate".
The image is part a series of images on the mobile version of CSP from back when I was in hospital, hence the layered .clip format for the coloured versions especially. Usually I don't do a lot of just ink art, but mobile CSP is sheer pain to work in for me.
I opened a support ticket last week on this day, still no response, they responded 2 days asking me to send the project... Which was already in the support ticket I sent. So I sent it again in an email as asked. I sent .clip and .psd for compatibility.
The image was already "removed" from e621, then I sent the moderator the project file, they restored the art in just a few hours.
This is the image: https://e621.net/posts/4443685
The image in no way is perceived as "AI" by "AI detectors" either:
https://aiornot.com
https://app.illuminarty.ai
https://isitai.com/ai-image-detector
I agree these aren't always reliable, but it makes you wonder, how would a human assume something is AI if a machine can't either?
AI certainly makes certain mistakes, but I imagine people who would want to falsify artistry would spend some effort fixing what is commonly perceived to be "AI mistakes". By then you can accuse literally any artist. That's why I believe in WIPs and never thought posting WIPs like line art would cause an issue to begin with, because I know for sure AI can't understand lines well at the moment, much less make timelapses as with much of my art. Yet one troll claimed I literally "paint" over AI even. It's quite painful for me to have my inventive hard work dismissed, especially when I spend the time to actually show myself making it, which is for most artists a privilege only shared with patrons behind a paywall.
These trolls also literally only do this whenever my art gets a lot of favourites, like very single time they try to either down-rate my art, no matter how much effort in posting WIPs, timelapses, etc. That's why I often see on sites my art temporarily dip first if I linked it in Discords with such trolls, but if I don't post where these trolls are this dip doesn't happen. One troll couldn't hold the argument and just banned me out of jealousy because they kept "losing" for the fact they can't deny by my emphasis on WIPs.
Despite the fact some pro-AI trolls (of whose servers are full of AI) claiming my work to be AI out of what is clearly jealousy from their tone and actions. The fact they banned me claiming I posted "AI" in a server that even posts AI says it all, doesn't it? Not one of these trolls has shown me a single AI generator that can emit images with my line work and brush in a 2k+ fidelity with consistent texture and aliasing but claim it "looks" like AI and even ridiculed the tail of the character as being "too short" for a fox, which is purely a insult and they were mocking me for it as if "AI" make such mistakes without the user checking.
Then another troll came about claiming I traced an AI, after the fact their claim my art is "AI generated" and has "AI artifacts" in it being clearly plain false. This is clearly discriminatory because you could literally say this for any art, because AI is trained on existent art, and as such AI plagiarism would be indistinguishable from human plagiarism, only AI is less likely to be caught. AI does not "have" an "art style", it just copies the most popular styles it can, and naturally human artists strive for popular elements in their design work, too. Industrial artists and hobbyists alike me vary their art style a lot because they work with graphical design rather than style tropes, this is how and why different artists draw in different styles from project to project. I prefer to my design work rather than have the same design work, primarily because I have a passion for graphic design and gestalt art theory. That said I also haven't seen any AI that can do anatomy that doesn't look like it wasn't either from an existent composition as-is or literally some kind of contorted taxidermy, no doubt because AI works in the 2D domain. They literally move the goalposts with each one of their defamatory claims and single me out to harass me.
Even calling my signature that clearly says my name in my patronage's script, and even art I made BEFORE the whole AI thing, as in previous times, even attacking my journals:
https://furaffinity.net/journal/10595768/
https://furaffinity.net/journal/10601319/
The only reason these trolls are reporting me is because I call them for stealing art and started using Nightshade Alpha which poisons AI models by making the AI model "plagiarise" data the AI can't use. The trolls try to use loopholes to "get their own back" on artists protecting their work from plagiarism.
God knows how artists are going to be verified as not being AI when the whole Gaussian Splatting technology because integrated with plagiarist AI because 99% of false claims of AI rely on "inconsistency", yet AI can literally be more consistent than human artists... Because it's a plagiaristic machine. Now AI can animate, be 3D, and perfectly copy styles. Clearly those who take false reports have no clue how AI works and are accepting hearsay as reports. You can see from AI piracy sites that AI can literally steal any style you give it, but it's not very good at inventing design work with motifs, fidelity and structure like I do.
I'm not happy with the fact people accusing artists falsely of AI wouldn't lift a finger if some AI piracy site stole an artist's work, yet somehow as the original artist you'd get accused of using AI on the sheer basis of claims rooted in zero empirical evidence. In fact aren't WIPs the absolute contrary? What AI plagiarist even spends effort protecting work they didn't make like I'm doing here? Surely by then they spend more effort than it even takes to make the art? AI literally produces thousands of plagiaristic images in minutes. I'm bothered by the fact a single image, that took time to make, is taking down. AI plagiarists are unphased by such they don't make, surely? They'd rather spend the time harassing artists they steal from than defend their "stolen" work anyway.
And I've no idea what FA is doing, but they should not just "remove" images made of hard work on demand, especially if someone purposefully gangs up to report something, that is called bullying and harassment. There's an element of libel, defamation, etc, when it can put someone's livelihood at risk, too.
I think a better system would be if FA instead should ask for the WIPs without taking the art down, then if the user fails to respond with them in a timely fashion (or didn't upload them ahead) then FA should then warn and take down the art. What do you think?
And if you're an artist, protect your art with these tools, those rich GPU-totting AI jerks don't deserve to claim your hard work!
https://glaze.cs.uchicago.edu/webglaze.html (free, download and web versions available)
https://artshield.io (older version of Glaze, very easy to use)
https://amt-lab.org/reviews/2023/11.....art-generators (soon to be released in Glaze)
https://sanative.ai (new alternative to Glaze using the revised papers, more aimed at businesses)
Hopefully the FA mods will see sense and change this system to one that respects artists who spend a long time on their art.
Cause I'm not the type who just posts art regularly due to my emphasis on detail and my disabilities that slow me down, as such it's in particularly a very ableist system at the moment. Inspect work before deleting art, FA, not the other way around!
What's other people's experience with alternatives to FA? Are they more supportive of artists and have a better anti-AI system?
It's not easy getting a following anymore thanks to people's judgement on particularly painterly work, either.
Thanks, and sorry for the vent.
I don't deserve this crap, and I'm not in the best of health either. I wish plagiaristic AI was never invented/existed and people had more respect for those who spend ages creating the work that they can easily take for granted.
It's been a week since my 70+ favourite image has been removed to the dismay of several of my patrons who have even considered leaving FA because of this. Several non-artists have had their commissions removed again from years prior to AI even being a thing, a simple FA search shows this:
https://reddit.com/r/ArtistHate/com.....gainst_ai_and/
https://furaffinity.net/journal/10600829/
https://furaffinity.net/view/54378297/
https://furaffinity.net/journal/10415399
https://furaffinity.net/journal/10543383/
Naturally as a artist who spends A LOT of time on each piece, this is profoundly upsetting. I was also warned as a result.
It is great that FA forbids AI, but the system is way too trollable and should follow "interrogate before delete" not "delete before interrogate".
The image is part a series of images on the mobile version of CSP from back when I was in hospital, hence the layered .clip format for the coloured versions especially. Usually I don't do a lot of just ink art, but mobile CSP is sheer pain to work in for me.
I opened a support ticket last week on this day, still no response, they responded 2 days asking me to send the project... Which was already in the support ticket I sent. So I sent it again in an email as asked. I sent .clip and .psd for compatibility.
The image was already "removed" from e621, then I sent the moderator the project file, they restored the art in just a few hours.
This is the image: https://e621.net/posts/4443685
The image in no way is perceived as "AI" by "AI detectors" either:
https://aiornot.com
https://app.illuminarty.ai
https://isitai.com/ai-image-detector
I agree these aren't always reliable, but it makes you wonder, how would a human assume something is AI if a machine can't either?
AI certainly makes certain mistakes, but I imagine people who would want to falsify artistry would spend some effort fixing what is commonly perceived to be "AI mistakes". By then you can accuse literally any artist. That's why I believe in WIPs and never thought posting WIPs like line art would cause an issue to begin with, because I know for sure AI can't understand lines well at the moment, much less make timelapses as with much of my art. Yet one troll claimed I literally "paint" over AI even. It's quite painful for me to have my inventive hard work dismissed, especially when I spend the time to actually show myself making it, which is for most artists a privilege only shared with patrons behind a paywall.
These trolls also literally only do this whenever my art gets a lot of favourites, like very single time they try to either down-rate my art, no matter how much effort in posting WIPs, timelapses, etc. That's why I often see on sites my art temporarily dip first if I linked it in Discords with such trolls, but if I don't post where these trolls are this dip doesn't happen. One troll couldn't hold the argument and just banned me out of jealousy because they kept "losing" for the fact they can't deny by my emphasis on WIPs.
Despite the fact some pro-AI trolls (of whose servers are full of AI) claiming my work to be AI out of what is clearly jealousy from their tone and actions. The fact they banned me claiming I posted "AI" in a server that even posts AI says it all, doesn't it? Not one of these trolls has shown me a single AI generator that can emit images with my line work and brush in a 2k+ fidelity with consistent texture and aliasing but claim it "looks" like AI and even ridiculed the tail of the character as being "too short" for a fox, which is purely a insult and they were mocking me for it as if "AI" make such mistakes without the user checking.
Then another troll came about claiming I traced an AI, after the fact their claim my art is "AI generated" and has "AI artifacts" in it being clearly plain false. This is clearly discriminatory because you could literally say this for any art, because AI is trained on existent art, and as such AI plagiarism would be indistinguishable from human plagiarism, only AI is less likely to be caught. AI does not "have" an "art style", it just copies the most popular styles it can, and naturally human artists strive for popular elements in their design work, too. Industrial artists and hobbyists alike me vary their art style a lot because they work with graphical design rather than style tropes, this is how and why different artists draw in different styles from project to project. I prefer to my design work rather than have the same design work, primarily because I have a passion for graphic design and gestalt art theory. That said I also haven't seen any AI that can do anatomy that doesn't look like it wasn't either from an existent composition as-is or literally some kind of contorted taxidermy, no doubt because AI works in the 2D domain. They literally move the goalposts with each one of their defamatory claims and single me out to harass me.
Even calling my signature that clearly says my name in my patronage's script, and even art I made BEFORE the whole AI thing, as in previous times, even attacking my journals:
https://furaffinity.net/journal/10595768/
https://furaffinity.net/journal/10601319/
The only reason these trolls are reporting me is because I call them for stealing art and started using Nightshade Alpha which poisons AI models by making the AI model "plagiarise" data the AI can't use. The trolls try to use loopholes to "get their own back" on artists protecting their work from plagiarism.
God knows how artists are going to be verified as not being AI when the whole Gaussian Splatting technology because integrated with plagiarist AI because 99% of false claims of AI rely on "inconsistency", yet AI can literally be more consistent than human artists... Because it's a plagiaristic machine. Now AI can animate, be 3D, and perfectly copy styles. Clearly those who take false reports have no clue how AI works and are accepting hearsay as reports. You can see from AI piracy sites that AI can literally steal any style you give it, but it's not very good at inventing design work with motifs, fidelity and structure like I do.
I'm not happy with the fact people accusing artists falsely of AI wouldn't lift a finger if some AI piracy site stole an artist's work, yet somehow as the original artist you'd get accused of using AI on the sheer basis of claims rooted in zero empirical evidence. In fact aren't WIPs the absolute contrary? What AI plagiarist even spends effort protecting work they didn't make like I'm doing here? Surely by then they spend more effort than it even takes to make the art? AI literally produces thousands of plagiaristic images in minutes. I'm bothered by the fact a single image, that took time to make, is taking down. AI plagiarists are unphased by such they don't make, surely? They'd rather spend the time harassing artists they steal from than defend their "stolen" work anyway.
And I've no idea what FA is doing, but they should not just "remove" images made of hard work on demand, especially if someone purposefully gangs up to report something, that is called bullying and harassment. There's an element of libel, defamation, etc, when it can put someone's livelihood at risk, too.
I think a better system would be if FA instead should ask for the WIPs without taking the art down, then if the user fails to respond with them in a timely fashion (or didn't upload them ahead) then FA should then warn and take down the art. What do you think?
And if you're an artist, protect your art with these tools, those rich GPU-totting AI jerks don't deserve to claim your hard work!
https://glaze.cs.uchicago.edu/webglaze.html (free, download and web versions available)
https://artshield.io (older version of Glaze, very easy to use)
https://amt-lab.org/reviews/2023/11.....art-generators (soon to be released in Glaze)
https://sanative.ai (new alternative to Glaze using the revised papers, more aimed at businesses)
Hopefully the FA mods will see sense and change this system to one that respects artists who spend a long time on their art.
Cause I'm not the type who just posts art regularly due to my emphasis on detail and my disabilities that slow me down, as such it's in particularly a very ableist system at the moment. Inspect work before deleting art, FA, not the other way around!
What's other people's experience with alternatives to FA? Are they more supportive of artists and have a better anti-AI system?
It's not easy getting a following anymore thanks to people's judgement on particularly painterly work, either.
Thanks, and sorry for the vent.
I don't deserve this crap, and I'm not in the best of health either. I wish plagiaristic AI was never invented/existed and people had more respect for those who spend ages creating the work that they can easily take for granted.
Such stuff also looks suspiciously AI but I daren't report it in case I'm or the detector is wrong.
I wouldn't want to "do onto others that which I would not wish to experience myself". My mom is a wiccan of jewish-mystic and indian tenet. I got that quote from her, noticed you ID as a therian witch, idk if you know that line lol. Then there's the rule of 3, don't really believe in that though myself cause bad stuff in my childhood was pretty uncalled for. But got to agree on some of the stuff witch folk say :3
I'll keep appealing, I can't tell if the mods are bulli or if the mods are really slacking or overrun. I know e621 was instantaneous but there you can contest directly with the mod that did it. I can't do that on FA, yet the system still seems voluntary, but more of a roulette? May be it's a system where if they open the ticket, it marks as read so doesn't get noticed if the mod had drifted to another ticket, etc? Either way doesn't seem a good system. I'd rather voluntary janitors I know the name of than some centralised roulette wheel helpdesk :P
Also nice art you got, gave you a follow :3
I find it hard finding people on FA these days, there's more ads than expression on the front page so I can't tell what I'm looking at half the time lol. FA needs a better discovery and also ad system, cause not everyone like myself do like commission stuff. Lot of artists don't get much exposure, wish I could find more artists to follow. Don't really want to follow people who are already popular cause I want to see artists who are upcoming and progressing on my feed. And everyone shares it everywhere if popular so I see it anyway lol. DA's discovery is ruined now too cause all I see is AI in recommends even though I blocked AI, so annoying and what's worse it's all put up for sale even.