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a year ago
We come from the Unknown and return to the Unknown, and our lives are a brief bright flash in a gap between Mysteries. Mitch is gone now, beyond pain, beyond fear, beyond travail, at rest from this problematic thing we call Life. Celebrate his creativity. Celebrate his humor. He made people laugh, and they liked having him around. And celebrate the good man he was and forgive his flaws, as we hope our own flaws will be forgiven, too. Pax vobiscum, Mitch. Death is not final. You will live though the fine artwork you created.
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Sure, remember the good things about him, but I think forgetting things like that is wrong. He was more than just good or bad.
I didn't get that vibe from what Jim wrote, but I'll look at it again. Jim often dwells on his woes, but I can understand it even when I tend to think a lot of those are of his own making. I actually tend to like the guy though, despite frequently disagreeing with him. That's mostly due to being pretty much polar opposites in our political views.
Not having known Mitch myself, I'm not one to make a final judgment on him. None of us really likely are.
A lot of people remember him fondly, and I respect that, despite his obvious downside.
Granted, my only acquaintance with him is what I've observed here and a bit of other stuff.
Dumpster diving is a good thing, but doing it on TV? -I guess that would depend on the motivation...
https://www.furaffinity.net/journal/9904562/
I don't know Jim well enough to make that judgment, and I wasn't aware that there was such bad blood between you. Sad, if true.
As for Mitch Beiro: If he had robbed a bank; Hell, if he had even killed someone, I might find it possible to forgive him. But what he did was unforgivable, not the least of which because, as you said, of the victims he has scarred for life.
The bad side of Mitch is well confirmed.
I think it's likely to be even worse than what he was convicted of.
Of all the tributes to Mitch, Jim's was the only one I saw that directly addressed what Mitch did, and he also directly acknowledged his torn feelings about Mitch's legacy.
Of course I don't have their names, or any of their info, nor would I repeat those even if I did without their permission. That's absolutely ridiculous. That doesn't absolve him of his obvious and proven guilt.
It's also quite likely that he actually molested kids when he lived in California, but he wasn't prosecuted for that. There are many possible reasons for that, including DAs not thinking they have enough evidence to mount a successful case, which is often due to the victims not wanting to be retraumatized by a court case, or not wanting to be publicly exposed by potentially being drawn into what are often long legal proceedings where humiliating and degrading things and accusations are frequently involved.
I believe in redemption, but just saying you regret what you did or serving time doesn't qualify for that. It would take action, which he never took.
Frankly, I find it disgusting that anyone would defend him or try to downplay what he did.
"quite likely that he actually molested kids when he lived in California" ,huh? And on what evidence do you base that accusation? Names, dates and places, please.
And once again, of course I'm not privy to the court documents or police reports, and I haven't sought those out. But the fact that they exist is public knowledge. It's even on the Wikifur page on Mitch, which no doubt you've seen. Of course you can say that allegations are not proof, but I'd personally be surprised if the allegations weren't true, considering his long interest and involvement in CP.
Seriously, why defend this creep, Karno? His guilt is obvious even if he DIDN'T molest any kids himself, or that aspect of him isn't the only one he had.
The last part of what you said here is also absurd. Just try to imagine how you'd feel if people were viewing or distributing photos or videos of you being sexually abused as a child. I sincerely doubt that you'd consider that as being innocent. On the contrary, I'm guessing you'd advocate for their murder. We're not just talking about people viewing innocent photos of people here.
I DO understand the various viewpoints on this.
I think this is an important topic.
And "magic" is not an acceptable answer, FYI.
Just how many times do I have to repeat that it was mostly the original taking of the pictures and the distribution of them that are the largest part of the issue?
It's also a question of motivation. Your argument about the cops looking at the pictures is ridiculous because it came from a completely different motivation. They had no choice because their job was to gather evidence. I have no doubt that they would have far preferred not having to do that, but it's a part of their job. That's completely immaterial to why what Mitch did was wrong.
Your lack of a grasp of logic in your arguments here are making a fool of you. Give it TF up for your sake and everyone else's. You just keep digging yourself a deeper hole.
Relax, I get it. You parrot the latest PC line to show you're a SJW in good standing. Virtue-signaling. It's not required for the concept you're trumpeting to make any sense. If you just did logic & provable facts, how could you tell a SJW from a boring academic?
But you trying to score Woke points by pissing on a dead man's grave is just a little bit lacking in class.
your bigotry, ignorance, and lack of a social conscience. It's also rather amusing that you would pack all of those tired right wing cliches, as well as "Virtue signalling" into such a small space.
And I'm hardly "Pissing on his grave". I acknowledged that many people seem to see his good side, and that nobody is reducible to just the worst thing they've ever done. I just think it's really important to frankly address the good and bad in people, especially when they've done things that cause as much harm as what he did. It's really sad that you'd try to play that down.
Thing is, I don't GAF what anyone that says things like that thinks about me, and I'm perfectly capable of deciding what I think for myself without trying to prove anything to anyone. I know damn well what my well reasoned and logical moral center is based on, and It's DEFINITELY not up to you.
Then, he was busted not only for possession of kiddie porn, but distributing it as well. That is what brought the hammer down on him. Again, all part of the public record.
https://www.kold.com/story/19731096.....-abuse-images/
There's also the Wikifur article that I referred to that is likely taken from that.
This is exactly why their last AUP update, which was incredibly vague, was so stupid. Someone doesn't even have to have pull with the admins in particular. All it takes is the wrong admin looking at the picture.
You also tend to get first a warning, then a one day suspension, then 3, then 5, then permanent, which makes that scary. You CAN contest it, though.
I agree that the offending work should just be removed and the poster get a warning.
That thread went atomic.