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School walkout protest... over furries
a year ago
In one of those "what planet are we living on" events, it seems that school students staged a walkout (and a petition) against furries today, asking for the furries to be expelled from school:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/s.....es/ar-BB1lPvXi
...and today I learned that WebMD has a page about furries (don't worry -- in spite of it being a page about "furry sex" it's actually a well balanced page: https://www.webmd.com/sex/what-is-furry-sex
So the issue here sounds like rumors and trolling behavior. To quote from the article "The students said there are attacks from the furries every day, but were unsure of how many furries there actually are at the school, shouting out numbers ranging from five to 100 students who identify as such.
The school’s “furry” population is accused of biting, scratching, spraying air freshener on, barking at and chasing other students."
This sounds like the ultra-conservative fantasy of what furries are like -- the whole litter box thing that's just so monumentally stupid that it makes you shake your head. However, this kind if inane reaction may mean it becomes more ... socially problematic for furries in these areas, and that won't be a good thing.
I think the school should launch a serious investigation, and then report it. I suspect that most of the "problems" will turn out to be hot air.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/s.....es/ar-BB1lPvXi
...and today I learned that WebMD has a page about furries (don't worry -- in spite of it being a page about "furry sex" it's actually a well balanced page: https://www.webmd.com/sex/what-is-furry-sex
So the issue here sounds like rumors and trolling behavior. To quote from the article "The students said there are attacks from the furries every day, but were unsure of how many furries there actually are at the school, shouting out numbers ranging from five to 100 students who identify as such.
The school’s “furry” population is accused of biting, scratching, spraying air freshener on, barking at and chasing other students."
This sounds like the ultra-conservative fantasy of what furries are like -- the whole litter box thing that's just so monumentally stupid that it makes you shake your head. However, this kind if inane reaction may mean it becomes more ... socially problematic for furries in these areas, and that won't be a good thing.
I think the school should launch a serious investigation, and then report it. I suspect that most of the "problems" will turn out to be hot air.
-Can't wait till this is echoed on Faux and on other right wing media.
Vix
OMG, there's an Adam plush! That one wins by a LONG shot.
"Mom, I can't go to school today! The Furries will Murr me!"
The girl behind this even mentions trans people.
I would wait a week for things to come clear.
Some individual in particular try to go everywhere in full fursuit: Hospital, bank, school, bus, etc. It's his personal taste I guess but really he gets more troubles than he need of.
Until our Tax Payer funded Institutions master THOSE topics, there's zero room or tolerance for any of the BS being shoveled now.
Merely one person's .02, and I'm aware it won't make a difference...
This coming from someone who grew up with THREE! (English, Tsalagi, and Gaelic). I became conversant in all (Though my hedge Gael was sketchy-at-best), including street Spanish (Though I never 'Mastered' the grammar, and don't even try to get me started with the 'Math'!).
I don't like forcing people to study sh*t they don't want to learn, esp. when said sh*t likely will never have any bearing on whatever life/job said person plans on entering.
Merely my .02 on it.
Opinions vary, of course!
Now they have blatantly pornographic material(s) and 'lectures/shows' in public schools, starting FROM K-whatever?
That's merely one example (Of many thousands).
I could just go on and on, but what's the point?
My issue with our education program(s) isn't to omit or censor/deny ANY relevant topic about our real world, but you have to teach something based off the maturity level of those learning about it.
To do otherwise is to indoctrinate, and I'm dead set against anyone but a child's parents doing so. They raise their children, they are the ultimate teachers/guides, and unless they're doing provable harm, the damned govt. needs to keep its disjointed nose(s) out of topics not related to the '3 R's' as they're usually called.
Now, once a student graduates H.S., usually at 18 years of age, and by such becoming an 'Adult' (At least in the States. Can't speak for every other Country on the planet.), is THEN entering either College or a Trade School, and then exposed/taught about anything-and-sundry? Well, they're adults. That comes with personal responsibility for consequences (Or, it should.). Choose the wrong Path, graduate and then can't find a job of substance to live by? That's a pretty stern lesson alright...
I'll stop here, 'cause I'm already TLDR'ing.
Just saying, growing up with a Parent (Momma) being a Teacher, and all the psychotic penguins and robe-clad Priests, I got to see both sides of quite a few 'Coins.' Gotta take the good with the bad, because that at least teaches folks by comparison?!
Of course, being a comment on Youtube, take that with a proper helping of salt, but it sounds more likely than just about anything else.
These loonies are buying this hook, line, and sinker. Just how credulous can people get? All of these morons are taking this story at face value. It's proof of "Liberal Freaks" running rampant in our schools. The poster says we should split the nation, and that people should put their kids in private schools or homeschool. Another couple of folks bring up people in schools defending trans people. Half of the morons here are calling for violence.
Are all Aggies like this? There must be at lest a few sane people there...
https://www.sltrib.com/news/educati.....hool-district/
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/.....urries-clique/
And The Daily Wire:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/furr.....ol-pushes-back
And Steven Crowder:
https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/m.....rviews-strudel
And Faux:
https://www.foxnews.com/media/schoo.....tudent-protest
-At least they posted about the response to this.
And Adam Bartholemew:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ1rlBd93fo
Who bit you?
"One of them! A furry!"
I repeat, which one? What is their name? Can you point them out?
*silence*
I wanna see some fursuiter wearing Mormon underwear...
He's buying this garbage hook, line and sinker, or at least inasmuch as it serves his usual narrative, and judging by the comments from his audience, so are they, which of course is exactly the point. That's how these ridiculous and poisonous narratives get spread and believed by the gullible.
To Walsh it's just a given that furries are all suiters and are freaks and outcasts that deserve to be bullied, even if these kids might just be wearing cat ear headbands and not be furries at all. The most important thing is conformity. Of course anything perceived by someone not to be "Normal" deserves to be rejected and ostracized by society, even if there's no real proof of this unpardonable transgression.
And of course this supposed permissiveness is probably just the first step on the inevitable woke escalator to *Gasp!* homosexuality and transsexuality!
Considering the photos and the video from this Hunsaker dude (Assuming that he really is a teacher there) without context they mean nothing. That video looked to me like typical kids playing, and the photos could be from kids anywhere at any time. People are mindbogglingly gullible.
I won't even mention his shilling for some "Anti woke" phone service. -Oops, I just did...
I'm sorry I didn't watch the whole thing, but I caught one that began with a little kid talking about what was supposedly taking place in his school. His voice sounded "off," as if he were reading a script...or maybe AI generated.
What followed were illustrations of an elementary school supposedly indoctrinating its students with gay messages, posters on the wall etc. The whole thing not only failed the smell test, but screamed "BOGUS" to anyone with a bit of discernment. Unfortunately there are plenty of people who will take it at face value - "do you know what those sick liberals are teaching our kids?!"
I recently got a spam text on my phone that said something like "The woke left is ganging up on Trump". I eagerly replied "And isn't it great?", but of course the number was no longer valid.
Personally, I think the odds of T getting back in the White House are dropping daily (not down to zerio - yet unfortunately). It all began with Biden's kick-ass State of the Union, followed by the Republic Congress Clown Show, and Trump's rapidly diminishing reputation (he's not a billionaire, he's broke! Selling shoes and bibles! His social media site a major financial disaster! Treated like a regular person in court, no longer the Alpha Male - oh, the ignominy!)
Of course we still have to worry about the "Constitutional Sheriffs" (whatever the f they are) who will "protect the vote." I mean, we should only let the white - I MEAN RIGHT people vote! Guaranteed they'll be in the Black districts in the swing states and barely anywhere else.
I don't think Drumpf will win, but of course I couldn't imagine that happening in '16 either. The very fact that he actually has a chance is what is really terrifying. It's more than remarkable how many people are susceptible to his obvious BS.
Thank you.
The 'Left' behaves in very different ways indeed!
(And I chuckled again, just ticking-off the long list of ways 'They' misbehave...)
The left doesn't form violent armed militias and gangs that bully and attack random innocent people, support violent police and the carceral state, harass, bully and oppress people of color, gay or trans people or drag queens, ban books, try to stop people from voting, engage in things like the J6 insurrection, support fascists, dictators and genocide, Promote bogus paranoic scare stories like what Matt Walsh and the other right wing people I cited here do... I could go on, but I'm sure you get the point.
Are you seriously just trolling to incite conflict/arguments
or
Do YOU truly believe what you're typing?
I can't proceed in conversing with you until either of those two questions are answered (Honestly).
:: Waiting patiently, sipping my hot toddy.... ::
I also welcome being challenged on what I say, as long as it's with facts and without insults, and differences in opinion are fine. I certainly know better than to think that everybody is going to agree with me, especially because I'm a far lefty.
I'm actually rather conflict averse. I just have some things I feel very strongly about, and I'm not afraid to stand up for those. I've been doing that for decades, most of my life, and I'm 65.
I also actually get along well with a lot of kinds of people. In RL for instance, I have conservative friends that I greatly respect, even if I don't always agree with their politics. That carries over to here. I'm able to disagree with people without hating them. I sincerely try to love everyone, difficult though that may often be. disagreeing with what someone says doesn't have to mean that you hate someone. People have a lot of reasons for coming to their beliefs.
I also never block anyone or delete their comments. I believe in honesty and communication. The only comments of my own that I delete are due to adding detail or clarification to something I post.
Will that do?
There are just some things that I feel strongly about as well.
I too may not always agree with others, and I too try to show equal measure of respect or rebuke accordingly.
Never claimed to be perfect, and wouldn't strive for that even if it were attainable. Life would be so damned boring!
You and I certainly do not share many opinions regarding our American society and the things going on. I'll just take that as a fact.
Just to lay all of my cards on the table, I tend to like you because you are obviously a person of conviction, and I respect that.
My only real issues with you are your rabid defense of 2A absolutism (But make no mistake, I'm not against guns per se) and what I see as a tendency towards aggression. But we are all products of our environment.
As a possibly more humorous comment on trolling, I'll paraphrase Salvador Dali, who said that "The difference between me and a madman is that I am not mad", in saying that the difference between me and a troll is that I am not a troll. I haven't a bit of a doubt that a lot of right wingers see me that way. I'm fine with that, though it should be obvious by the fact based and extensive and well reasoned things that I post that I'm not.
On occasion when I see someone saying particularly stupid things I WILL troll them with facts and logic. They rarely "Get it" and I find that amusing. This isn't frequent, but a good example would be with Wollypegger at the top of Karno's most recent journal. I would grant that this is a type of trolling.
As regards my trying to love everybody, I'm always reminded of a story I heard about Ram Dass, where he had a picture of Trump on his altar, because he figured that he was particularly in need of prayers. He would look at it and shake his head.
Encouraging this, as Walsh and a number of other people are doing in this case is just as bad or worse. Most of these people are adults who should know this and know better, too.
At least as often as not, the bullied kids have done nothing to be bullied about at all.
The main problem that I have with your argument is this: Who gets to decide what is "Normal" or really has any right to enforce what are such often subjective and ultimately arbitrary and unimportant rules?
Dahmer is an interesting, if obviously quite exceptional case. Did people have him pegged as a dangerous person from early on? Was he rejected or bullied? I don't know about his childhood. Would that have been a cause or effect of who he innately was or who he became? I've heard that he was attractive and at least somewhat charismatic when he was going about his rather odd business later on. He was clearly an extreme case of psychopathy and sociopathy, and being such, maybe not a great example.
There are always the extreme examples, and perhaps sometimes kids pick up on those, but probably even more often they'll just pick on anyone that they or the mob that they associate with decide is weak and deserving of rejection. I'll bet you can remember just how cruel kids can be. I sure do.
The most frightening part of this to me is the way that this cruel and childish behavior is echoed in adults and right wing politicians today. Notice how often they choose to prey on minorities that they perceive as being weak and declare that they should be rejected for some supposed and imagined inferiority or moral transgression. Whether it's immigrants, people of color, gay or trans people, drag queens, etc. These groups aren't actually hurting anyone, and it's none of these people's business what they choose to do. They perceive these groups to be small and weak and therefore easy to rally other bigots to persecute, and encourage ganging up on and bullying them in a cynical and calculated effort to gain power.
Like all bullies, they're actually weak and cruel and attempt to gain power by building a mob. This mob is often stupid enough to buy into the idea that they will gain power by going along with this. This is how stochastic terrorism works.
As an inveterate and proud weirdo who has had a happy life, I at least have to question that particular example too, but I've also always had friends, and when people tried to tease or bully me I mostly had the self confidence to laugh it off or ignore them. I never wanted to conform, never did, and never will. It's all relative, though. Personally, I was never able to bring myself to bully anyone, and have often defended people I saw as being bullied.
I think you're getting at an important thing at the end there. We need to actually care about rather reject people, and if it seems that somebody really needs help, we need to figure out ways to do that without just writing people off or rejecting them. I find it hard to believe that many or maybe even any people are hopeless. Our society, particularly here, isn't very good at devoting the time, resources, or attention to individuals in so many ways. This is shameful. because as the most wealthy nation in the history of the planet we clearly can, and it would be better for everyone if we did.
I will agree that you can't force people to do things that they won't accept, though, so there will always be somewhat of a dilemma there. We can't just give up or not try, though, which happens all too often today. Too many people just fall through the cracks with no serious effort made on the part of society to help them.
What you describe is very familiar. Thankfully, times change, but places such as Payson are still living in a world much closer to that time in many ways.
I'll look for the Dahmer book.
The parents of a lot of these kids are very conservative, and have passed that conformity and fear of anything different on to their kids. I'm betting that they're as much or even likely more responsible for this garbage than the kids are, whether it was directly or through what they've taught their kids.
See the above addition to the response that I just posted.
So if you think that this is a good ethical paradigm to have in society, well... ok. But to me it's a sad world that I would rather try to change, at least minimally and within my own local capabilities. And if you think that these personalities are worse than alternatives, why not try to help these people change with having in mind what is good for them, instead of having fun by just hurting them?