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The Bad Guys 2 / Elio
9 months ago
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Okay, we should all know about the infamous scene at the end of the first trailer for The Bad Guys 2. The one that had many voraphiles saying "There's no way they didn't know what they were doing with that," and a lot of other voraphiles and non-voraphiles saying "Oh, I very much doubt that."
And before that movie had even released into theaters... We get "Elio."
Once again, the relevant bit is right at the end of the trailer:
Glordon: "Just get in my mouth."
Elio: "Huh. It's, uh... Actually kinda' comfy in here."
Me: "WHY DO YOU TORMENT US SO?!!!!"
Now, to be clear, I STILL do not think there are voraphiles in Hollywood, much less that vore has more than a snowball's chance in Hell of ever going mainstream...
But... (sigh) I don't think this is a coincidence either...
If I had to guess what's happening, or what has already happened, it's that Hollywood at large, after they accepted the furry fandom as at least being relevant -- not necessarily an audience that can make a film profitable all by itself, but one they can cater more towards without losing anyone but the hyper-vocal far-right "this is not for me and me alone, therefore I hate it!" snowflakes that were never going to be on their side anyway, they also started becoming more familiar (whether they wanted to or not) with some of the furry subcategories and fixations.
And vore... If I had to guess, I think that's the fetish that they think is the most hilarious.
Some of you might remember that, when the Heritage Foundation's Project 2025 was an ugly secret that the MAGA hate cult was desperately trying to hide, the Heritage Foundation was targeted by a group of furry hacktivists, one of the H.F. heads started screaming at them that he was going to throw them all in jail because of their porn, got very graphic with his descriptions about what would happen to them in prison for a guy who supposedly hates porn, and one of the hacktivists responded to him with "What do you think of vore?"
Which I mention because this resulted in a lot of news programs needing to take a brief break away from their reporting to explain what vore is.
So now that "eww, furries" doesn't sail anymore, I think "vore" is becoming more adopted as the shortened form of the punchline "This guy's into some really weird shit."
And the close cousin of "this guy's into weird shit" is "I swear this was not meant to be kinky!"
So... No, I don't think DreamWorks nor Pixar have actually hired any voraphiles... But I do think somebody wrote at least one of those two scenes and was snickering at the thought of guys like me getting visibly uncomfortable in the theater.
And before that movie had even released into theaters... We get "Elio."
Once again, the relevant bit is right at the end of the trailer:
Glordon: "Just get in my mouth."
Elio: "Huh. It's, uh... Actually kinda' comfy in here."
Me: "WHY DO YOU TORMENT US SO?!!!!"
Now, to be clear, I STILL do not think there are voraphiles in Hollywood, much less that vore has more than a snowball's chance in Hell of ever going mainstream...
But... (sigh) I don't think this is a coincidence either...
If I had to guess what's happening, or what has already happened, it's that Hollywood at large, after they accepted the furry fandom as at least being relevant -- not necessarily an audience that can make a film profitable all by itself, but one they can cater more towards without losing anyone but the hyper-vocal far-right "this is not for me and me alone, therefore I hate it!" snowflakes that were never going to be on their side anyway, they also started becoming more familiar (whether they wanted to or not) with some of the furry subcategories and fixations.
And vore... If I had to guess, I think that's the fetish that they think is the most hilarious.
Some of you might remember that, when the Heritage Foundation's Project 2025 was an ugly secret that the MAGA hate cult was desperately trying to hide, the Heritage Foundation was targeted by a group of furry hacktivists, one of the H.F. heads started screaming at them that he was going to throw them all in jail because of their porn, got very graphic with his descriptions about what would happen to them in prison for a guy who supposedly hates porn, and one of the hacktivists responded to him with "What do you think of vore?"
Which I mention because this resulted in a lot of news programs needing to take a brief break away from their reporting to explain what vore is.
So now that "eww, furries" doesn't sail anymore, I think "vore" is becoming more adopted as the shortened form of the punchline "This guy's into some really weird shit."
And the close cousin of "this guy's into weird shit" is "I swear this was not meant to be kinky!"
So... No, I don't think DreamWorks nor Pixar have actually hired any voraphiles... But I do think somebody wrote at least one of those two scenes and was snickering at the thought of guys like me getting visibly uncomfortable in the theater.
But a character getting vored and liking it? I think I can count all the instances of that I remember throughout my entire life on one hand.
And these two instances not only both appeared in the trailer, they both appeared right at the very end of the trailer. So... Yeah, that seems deliberate.
But again, I don't think the gag is vore. I think the gag is people being uncomfortable with vore.
Again, I don't think either of these are a deliberate appeal to voraphiles. But I do think they've been informed that voraphiles exist and this is the latest evolution of the "deliberate squick" joke. Which is where a character winds up in a scenario that might be interpreted as squick if it were absent of context, or engages in the squick freely while others freak out.
Elio was an example of the former. The Bad Guys 2 was an example of the latter.
In the 1990s, the big taboo was "gay," and the joke was that a straight character would get caught in a seemingly gay and compromising position. And in between then and now, we got "kinky," "depraved," and the ever-popular "Uh, I can explain." And now, it's "weird internet shit." And few things are quite as weird-internet-shit as vore.
I am sorry, but they are the ones who wrote Ricko, King Julian, Mort, and TWO Vore Sneks. Also, the King Julian series with the fuss has so much Vore coding now—the falcon in penguins. The bad guys, the two main characters, are vore-based and often go for it. Shrek also has so much vore in it. And again, Mort. How many times did he get eaten?
It's like saying THE TOTALLY SPIES was free of any influences
-MiB II
Absolutely in Hollywood. We're everywhere, ESP. in creative stuff like art and writing. (just not me, not anymore) Back in the day I heard it as a common complaint there was a massive imbalance of furry to human art (and writing) in specific interests. Why? Because we're creative and have to imagine ALL of our own stuff already... so putting it to page is just the natural next step.
Far's being ID'ed for it iRL, uuhh.... welll...
At this point, everything has changed so much it's easier for me to say, "Not into that," than try to explain the particulars. Even back when I was still drawing stuff that fit perfectly into exactly those labels, telling people I'm not what they assumed was easier and in the contexts of their own bias, more accurate.
Learned the hard way people believe what they believe and there's little or no reasoning with them. Facts are useless against preconceptions.
"Why the big secret? People are smart. They can handle it."
"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it."
-Also MiB
Wish I had something more useful. Sorry.
Do you know how many furries work in animation lol