3D Max user but I wish you luck. And I'm glad you're not bitter. u_u

Heathen

Oops, no wait, I mean thanks. :D

Np, I ain't mad! :3

Seethe
Blender nerds are too soft with their tools and features
The humble 3DS Max user cares not for niceties; we’ll render anything with the sticks and stones we’re given and it’ll look like complete shit, the way God intended
(Totally not jealous ;-;)

I mean, blender is free. It's right there, you can just take it and start using it. x3

I know I know, just bein goofy

Being un-goofy, I admittedly never gave Blender a fair chance. I learned 3D stuff exclusively on Max ;-;

3ds max? literally illegal. straight to jail (non horny)!!1

that's a name i haven't heard in quite some time...didn't know they were still around!

But I just got out! :o

They have gone rental software mode so I'm still using my student version from 2010 and it still works like a charm! :3

Lucky you. Auto desk revoked my student access while I'm still a student of animation. Thanks auto desk I definitely didn't need that for my course.

You should see if you can snag an old install CD with a key from the before times off of EBay. Or "acquire" it elsewhere.

Im a maya user personally now. Uni changed me.
But I do think I'll be looking into ways to get it when I graduate in a few months so I can get access on my pc.

Nice, I don't have as much control when modeling as I do with Max.

i remember that you had shared that configuration, unfortunately I still don't understand the nodes very well 🤣😭

Updooted.

hidden.

Yes, that's because I'm afraid I said something stupid.
I thought I knew why there was that "bug" in Blender, but then I read again more carefully the bug report, and I think I was wrong, so I didn't want to pollute the comments area with a wrong assumption.

no, i was trying to hide my own, sorry xD

that's very thoughtful of you!

Keep it respectful when you do. Remember, Blender is free. Not a single person anywhere on Earth is obligated to write even a single line of code for this, and every dev there can just walk away if they feel like it. We're all parasitizing their work and their skill, every last one of us, and we ought to be good little pervs if we want our free tools.

corollary: same is true for what the results of the use of those tools are... nobody is entitled to free pr0n, so be nice to the kinky bastards who share their talent. "Talent belongs to all of humanity, artists must give away their work and buttslave to their fans" has always been a load of crap and always will be.

I wish more people understood this. It really rustles my jimmies when I see people getting angry and acting entitled about things they get completely for free at the expense of someone else, because they take it for granted.

Conversely what this means is that if a person wants a feature or a bug fix and have the skill, they should look into creating a pull request. It's certainly much easier for the devs to accept work that is already done than to write it themselves.

my pull request to add a feature (dynamic paint initial wetmap texture, to have parity with the existing initial color texture) that would make it much easier to make looping animations of...our preferred content *cough*...involving fluids...was rejected, as dynamic paint is a "legacy system", despite the replacement not having the features necessary to actually be a replacement and the features aren't even planned yet. (specifically geonodes can't write to image sequences, so you have to have an incredibly over-subdivided character mesh or blobby low-res paint effects using attributes to store paint color/wetness.)

i have also been told not to bother trying to fix particle hair bugs for the past few years despite geonodes hair still being not ready for prime time. for example, they broke "long hair" in 2.93.4 when using an image texture as a density map: https://projects.blender.org/blende.....r/issues/91887 and they have no plans to fix it.

...but geonodes hair does not support physics still, and as we recently discovered, also can't be separately subdivided finely enough to be used for hair styling on our scenes without also massively inflating the render time of fur because the subdivision control for geonodes hair is per-scene and not per-object like the old particle systems. it's a known issue and, again, the features are identified but not planned and are not on a roadmap anytime soon. so in the meantime, all hair systems using geonodes share a default subdivision value of 3 steps (8 segment) with a nice // TODO in the code that says "don't hardcode this" (it is hardcoded). the "additional subdivision" control in the render panel is added to every geonodes hair system whether or not it needs it.

i spend a lot of time on the blender bug tracker and triaging bugs. i wish it was as simple as you say.

Ahh, classic open source project politics. I can't really contribute myself as I know way too little about modelling, but how impractical would it be to propose a way to get this feature working in their new system if they don't want to fix old systems? Like, lots of work impractical, or "the tooling isn't even half there" impractical.

This is giving me early Wayland vibes.

All I really want is for them to finally release their update for animation layers, but I can add this as a footnote too! and as always keep up the great work to all the 3d artists here!

yeah, i was about to report a bug in NLA behavior and it turns out it's a known issue (tweaking a strip with blend mode when it's not starting at the first frame, or something) that they won't fix until the layered actions are ready...whenever that is.

i love the blender devs, i really do, but the whole "we're not going to fix it but we also have no plans on when the replacement is ready" thing has been old ever since they deprecated particle hair like a decade ago (and even broke particle hair and didn't fix it: https://projects.blender.org/blende.....r/issues/91887 )

anyway i do look forward to a better NLA-ish system...eventually.

Not bitter. Totally not bitter.

When you use maya

hang on, you're a maya user? can i actually ask, is this sort of effect supported natively in maya on strand primitives? i've always wondered how maya gets soft looking stylized fur. i was assuming it just handled normals correctly if they're overriden.

Account created and issue upvoted.

Also, I don't know if you saw, Ruaidri, but Blender Guru posted an hour long video the other day about using EEVEE. It had a bunch of information in there that I certainly didn't know, like the use of the light probes. If you haven't already, I recommend giving it a watch.

I did indeed! I was linked it almost immediately after he posted it, hah. There wasn't much in there that I wasn't already familiar with from using eevee for so long, but there were one or two neat tricks I hadn't considered. It's definitely a handy guide for anyone else looking to get started!

Not an artist myself but friends with a ton of 3d ones, I'll send this their way and post it in my game server's discord as well since we've got a ton of furry artists in there.

Hope spreading the word helps!

Very much appreciated! Thank you. :3

I’m by no means a good blender user, but I love my fur/feather system and cycles. I’m doing my part.

Man, I've been waiting since 2.6 for them to fix the damn Texturing workflow of Blender, and it's 4.4 and I'm still waiting.

Don't get your hopes up, because this stuff only gets addressed if they have someone capable or someone that wants to fix it because of some open movie project. Nowadays, it's all about crazy Geo nodes stuff that 90% of the userbase isn't going to use, because most of the userbase are artists and not programmers.

Yes, I'm a bit bitter. Atleast they have been addressing Cycles rendering performances and making the sculpting toolset more useful. But there are sooo many outdated systems in Blender that never get any attention.

I'm happy there is a huge addon market for Blender, otherwise I would've probably moved to another software.

i have some bad news for you about the texturing lol

https://projects.blender.org/blende...../issues/135896

i tried.

Oh I'm not really waiting for it anymore. I own a subscription for Substance Painter and Designer and that pretty much covers everything I need. Once they do it I'll check it out, but I've been using the substance tools for a while now and I don't regret it at all.

I'm still using the older particle based system because there is no physics for the newer curved based hair. That and i haven't been able to figure out how to make the newer system work at all.

They really need to fix that. There are workarounds, but they are annoying and not artist-friendly. Hair needs physics, dangit!

Yeah,its especially annoying for me because so many of my characters have long hair and long fur, so hair physics is an absolute must have for me. I want my characters to be nice and fluffy. It doesnt help that i have yet to find an art style that looks the way i want for both furry characters and non furry ones, or that my attempts to make my 3D Models render like 2d drawings didnt work very well, again.

Faking 2D in 3D is notoriously extremely difficult. Almost nobody is doing it well. I think the people who are the best at it in the world might be arc system works, and even they're not quite there imo. And it's so much work that you'd almost be better off just doing it in 2D in the first place, hah.

It's a really tough nut to crack- and adding fur into the mix only makes it more challenging because it makes a clean outline just about impossible. I poke away at it myself from time to time, but similarly haven't been met with great results yet.

I have been trying for about 8 months now, and yeah, it ain't easy, which is unfortunate because it means I dont have a 3d style that works well with Eevee yet, my current shader config only works well on cycles, which has the obvious render time problems when it comes to animation, as well as the VRAM wall. Even with an RTX 3090 and a 4090, about six characters in the image with a very simple background is the limit, and well higher VRAM cards are just insane in costs, and it doesn't help that Nvidia has had an absolute shitshow of a launch and completely cocked up the GPU market. I'd love to get a second 3090 for my threadripper machine so i can Nvlink them, but cant because of Nvidia's bullshit has caused the prices of GPU's to go up to the moon.

And I'm pretty sure your node setup doesn't work for the particle fur system in 4.3-4.4.