I say fuck everyone's ideals. I burn my wood whenever I want. Drive whatever I want. Say whatever I want and think whatever I want. I love this journal

(applause) Precisely my philosophy. Well said!

Very well said!

hmm a interesting statement however i would like to point out one flaw in your idea. on the topic of driving gas powered cars. you need to consider that the pollution from said car effects more then just you. there for it is selfish to say "fuck you i can drive what i want" because put bluntly your not the only one that has to pay that bill. on the topic of paying taxes, let me ask this. is it fair that a family who is poor and lives off food stamps must pay taxes they cant a ford or else face even MORE fees, meanwhile bill gates is so rich he literally could wall paper all his houses in curacy? i am not trying to "force" anything on you i merely ask that you think out side your bubble. im not saying your wrong im saying your not looking at the whole picture. you seem to be a intelligent person i hope you will not take my comment as a insult but rather a different way to look at this matter

"you need to consider that the pollution from said car effects more then just you"

Last I checked, the Constitution doesn't have a clause in it saying "These rights shall be null and void in the event respecting them causes environmental damage."

Furthermore, what you're speaking of is indirect, unintentional harm, which is radically different than what I speak of. The drinking of liquor causes brain damage and bodily harm, but should the producer of the liquor be punished because an alcoholic suffers those effects? He didn't make him drink himself to death. And in the case of drunk driving, he didn't make that person drink and drive, did he?

"there for it is selfish to say "fuck you i can drive what i want" because put bluntly your not the only one that has to pay that bill."

Again, it still doesn't give other people the right to dictate what a person can drive.

"on the topic of paying taxes, let me ask this. is it fair that a family who is poor and lives off food stamps must pay taxes they cant a ford or else face even MORE fees, meanwhile bill gates is so rich he literally could wall paper all his houses in curacy?"

What is "fair"? You claim it isn't fair for a poor family to pay taxes while a rich man like Bill Gates is allowed to keep his money, but how fair is it for Bill Gates to have the money he worked for and earned taken from him and giving to someone who hasn't done half the work?

Also, I'm for the complete abolishment of all taxes and allowing people to keep ALL of the money they earn, including the poor family you speak of.

And again, by what right do you make that judgement? It's not your money, you didn't put in the time and energy to earn it, therefore you are in no position to dictate how it is to be used.

"i merely ask that you think out side your bubble. im not saying your wrong im saying your not looking at the whole picture."

I don't recognize the rest of the world as my concern outside of making sure I don't use force against them. It is not my job to live their life for them.

you take my words as attacks. set aside your paranoia for the time and look at what your saying. frist and for most the "Constitution" you speak of has proven time and again to be a over complex bunch of paper riddled with loop holes, more so that thing is so old it, like the bible is painfully out dated. times change and renewal must be considered. more so. thinking like

I don't recognize the rest of the world as my concern outside of making sure I don't use force against them. It is not my job to live their life for them.

is what let nazi germany become so powerful in the first place. you speak of rights and such but you are careless. you base your ideas on the notion that the general public is smart enough to take care of it self. but i;d like to point out that the idea of having a government at all, and a constitution is that the public needs leaders. if you saw a man about to kill himself would you just shrug and say "hey its his right" acording you your ideals you would, that is shameful. most people need to be told what to do, just like sheep. if its ok to say 'well he chose to drink himself to death" why should a doctor heal some one "ohh they chose to break there arm riding a bike. its not my problem" and as far as rich people like bill gates go i'd like to point out most of that "hard earned money" he got off the work of his under paid employees. you are cherry picking with your ideals you speak highly of this
"Constitution" but you dont want taxes, do you not want government ether? you cant have a prefect world all you can do is think of the greater good, yes greater the you your self and try to make it level. the rich can aford to pay more then the poor it dosn't harm them. and it most certainly dosn't hurt to have laws that stop you from doing something that will kill you. you are paranoid acting like everyone is out to control you, acting like "they" are all villains and you yourself are careless to the greater good. who is the true villain

"you take my words as attacks. set aside your paranoia for the time and look at what your saying. frist and for most the "Constitution" you speak of has proven time and again to be a over complex bunch of paper riddled with loop holes, more so that thing is so old it, like the bible is painfully out dated. times change and renewal must be considered. more so. thinking like"

Actually, I'm just blunt.

And who and by what right decides when and how the Constitution is changed and renewed?

"is what let nazi germany become so powerful in the first place."

And what did Nazi Germany aka Fascism advocate? That the individual has no rights, that the state has the right to control the individual's life. Sorry, but you're saying that respecting the rights of individuals will lead to a regime that doesn't recognize the rights of individuals; sorry, doesn't work that way.

"you base your ideas on the notion that the general public is smart enough to take care of it self. but i;d like to point out that the idea of having a government at all, and a constitution is that the public needs leaders."

First off, there is no "general public", there are only individuals. And if they aren't smart enough to take care of themself, the best way for them to learn is to suffer the consequences of their stupidity.

And have you read the Preamble to the Constitution? It explains the role of government.

"if you saw a man about to kill himself would you just shrug and say "hey its his right" acording you your ideals you would, that is shameful."

What right do I have to stop him if he really wants to do it? His life is his property; the right to property includes the right to use and disposal.

"most people need to be told what to do, just like sheep."

Who and by what right gets to tell them what to do?

"why should a doctor heal some one "ohh they chose to break there arm riding a bike. its not my problem"

That's not even remotely related to what I was using that as an example of. If you wish to debate me, get my words correct.

"and as far as rich people like bill gates go i'd like to point out most of that "hard earned money" he got off the work of his under paid employees. "

Not when he started out. And his employees build the computers HE designs, therefore the property is still his. And who and by what right gets to decide how much an employers workers are paid? It's the employer's money and he has the right to pay them what he thinks they are worth. IF they don't like it, they are free to take their skills elsewhere (like his competitors).

"you are cherry picking with your ideals you speak highly of this
"Constitution" but you dont want taxes, do you not want government ether?"

There are other ways to finance the government other than the theft of privately-earned income. I refer you to Ayn Rand's "Government financing in a free society."

"you cant have a prefect world all you can do is think of the greater good, yes greater the you your self and try to make it level."

What is "the greater good"? Who and by what right gets to decide what it is?

"the rich can aford to pay more then the poor it dosn't harm them."

By what right do you get to make that judgement?

"and it most certainly dosn't hurt to have laws that stop you from doing something that will kill you."

It does if they unjustly complicate my life and prevent me from doing what I enjoy. For example, some people claim that owning a firearm increasing my chances of having an accident or killing myself; by this observation, should they be allowed to forbid me from owning one? What about driving a care, which increases my chances of having an accident; do they now have the right to prevent me from owning one?

"you are paranoid acting like everyone is out to control you,"

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. And what I am is wary.

"acting like "they" are all villains and you yourself are careless to the greater good. who is the true villain"

Who is the true villain? I, who am only advocating that man be allowed to live his life as he wishes so long as he doesn't use force on others, or the person who believes I should live life by his standards?

im sure you believe all of that. and although this debate as be most amusing to me and i do enjoy a good battle of words i believe this as lost its point im afraid you are just to paraniod to understand what your being told you refuse others views hding behind "what gives you the right' well let me tell you. i am given the right to judge others because others judge me. more so i can say what is right and wrong because i am not the fool drinking poison or saying 'well its his right to kill himself" but its "unrelated" to say a doctor can shun a person needing medical help for a self induced wound. you cant make a nation around the ideas of a individuals after all isnt it the mass majority that wins the vote? rules and government are in place to keep fools from doing foolish things people in general are not mature enough and smart enough to be trusted with there own well being its a sad fact its not a happy thought but its truth. truth is greater then ideal. dont bother throwing your old line "what gives you the right" im done speaking to a rock i have said my peace and have nothing more to gain from this. so i will close this with one final comment.

i respect that you disagree with me and have enjoyed the battle of words i hope you are in good health and have enjoyed this also. but for the sake of this debate not becoming drama i am walking away now.

And I'll see you off by pointing you to the books that lead me to write this journal:

"Looking out For Number 1" Robert Ringer
"The Virtue of Selfisness" & "Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal" Ayn Rand.

Perhaps they will help you see my point.

maybe. i do enjoy books i will look into those. be well and healthy

Well said my furry friend!

By allowing you to drive what ever you want, say a oil burning diesel that belches black smoke into the air, I can't breathe. Breathing is important to me. Obviously not to you. want a good example? go to mexico city. they are having trouble getting everyone to comply to emissions standards. a mexican who had lived there told me about it.
Pick your nose? your boogers are black, not green. Little birds sometimes fall from the sky dead because of the pollution. The right to breathe clean air must trump the right to drive a bus or truck that needs a ring job.


My right to have a nose that's unbroken is the right I claim to establish a limit to how far you can swing your fist.

mexico is fail anyway... but that's besides the point

I'm a truck driver and mechanic. there are hundreds of reasons a truck might blow smoke. anyone inteligent enough can fix that

and not because of the eco-gorilla thing... but for Efficiency's sake. blowing smoke is a sign of poor fuel milage, which costs more Money.

First off, I've already stated that there is no right to use force on others, so the last line of your post is unneccesary and a lousy example to challenge what I said.

Second, regardless of the existance of pollution or the negative effects, it doesn't grant government a right to dictate to the individual. Respecting the rights of others sometimes leads to things we'd rather not have to deal with, but if we start quashing them to stop such things, where does it end?

When Pollution causes people to Die, the government does have a right and need to step in. first part of the constitution. Guarantee life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Life. therefore the necessities of life. Clean air. Clean water. Uncontaminated food. we need all three. The government does not have the right to stop you from making widgets in your business, but it does have a duty to make sure those widgets or the process of making them doesn't kill any of your neighbors.

You're right about respecting the rights of others sometimes leading to things we would rather avoid.
In order that we may have the freedom to speak, we must allow the most noisome of our countrymen the right to speak as well. Rush Limbaugh has the right to speak, and I have the right to turn off the radio if he starts to say something I don't like to hear. Because Limbaugh has the right to Speak, So does Thom Hartmann. (radio talk show host on the left side of things) and if we like what they say, we can listen.

I will simply note that, after forty years of the most restrictive emissions laws in the nation, Los Angeles still has some of the worst air in the nation. Works real swell, don't it?

What would the air be like if the standards were not there?

Frankly? Much the same. Most of the air pollutants in SoCal come from industry and powerplants, which get exemptions from CARB every year. And the main reason LA's smog is so bad is the natural inversion layer around the area, which traps pollutants and holds them. I used to live out there and fly a small plane out there; many's the time I flew up out of the inversion layer and found a purplish-brown sea of airborne gunk beneath me...

I wonder if that's mexico city's issue, too.

Quite likely, yes. Folks like to blame cars for smog, but they don't do it by themselves...

*golfclap* Very well said my good sir.

Unfortunatly, I'm still working on figuring out why some people aren't content to just live their lives but must meddle in other people's lives too.

What your expressing is the extreme form of libertarianism.
Which like ALL ism's fail when taken to an extreme and exposed to the real world.

If you want an example of failed Libertarianism, just look at any failed state, like oh Somalia, where the main source of income is now illegal goods and piracy.

Government, good or bad, liberal or conservative and three days without power, is all that stands between civilization and barbarism.

Things can be A LOT worse than they are now, and most people who want 'extreme' change, especially if they advocate a 'everyman for themselves' attitude, always make things worse when they get in control, not better.

You know, if you want to prove me wrong, all you have to do is rationally answer the question.

Furthermore, I'm not advocating "every man for himself." I'm advocating that man be allowed to live his life as he wishes so long as he doesn't use force on others.

applaud well said