December 12, 2012 is supposedly the end of the world according to the Incans, I think.

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ah yes O_o; and when Nibiru past close to the inner planets before, it really did alot of destruction. it might have smashed up another planet that once lay between Mars and Jupiter (now known as the asteroid belt) and supposidly caused the great flood that most cultures have in their stories. It aparently also tilted the earth slightly to how it lies today. Thats why, if we knew in advance, we can atleast try save mankind but knowing the way things are, if they do know, they wont tell the general public.

I didn't really know about all that before just now. But it does make a lot of sense if it's true. o.o

And I don't think that there would be much anyone could do to stop a planet from coming here. Especially at this point in time, so if it's true... Let's all get wasted the night before. xD

uhhh.... if anything passes close to this planet, the government will blow the shit out of it no matter WHAT it is.....shoot first, ask questions later XD

Nibiru's is, to peoples guesses, Freaking huge :P We wouldn't have anything to attack it with :P

hee hee.. well the USA alone has enuff nukes to blow up earth 6x over.. all countries combined its about 10x over... sooo... ya.. we'll take a nice chunk outa it

^.^

and I hope "String theory" is not something Zen looks at anytime soon or he will listen to the hours of stuff on that to

how much will it take for earths nuke to blow up Hirule?

yeah but in my opinion the onky thing we have right know to blow the shit out of nayhting comming towards us would be a nuke and then yeah there goes earth we need to develop laser systems, but of course we have all the greedy basards "share the laser" and we say fuck off we don't need a fucking starwars going on, we kill asteroid and whatnot then target the afghanis look two bird with one stone sweet....srry that war is another hot button issue for me....there i go ranting again,,,shit

Actually, crazy as it may sound, the method already set down to save Earth from a large foreign body like an asteroid or planet in this case is to send out an already developed, super dense spacecraft, so dense that it generate enough of a gravitational pull to be directed toward the object, such it into the gravity field and slowly pull the thing off its beaten course.

No explosions, no nukes, no need to send people in a spacecraft onto the damn thing, just a simple, uneventful method for changing the objects course.

December 23, 2012 4 pm

Mayans, actually.

I knew it was one of the two. :P

I just know cause I watch that kind of stuff on the History Channel all the time.

According to Nastrodamas the man who predicted the twin towers incident the world will end on the year 7074. not on 2012

It's Nostradamus, and that's not the topic anyways.

We're talking about the Southern American natives, not a European seer. xP

sorry about the miss spelling. but i was merely stating that, that is what he predicted. not the (what i believe)ludicrous ideals of the Mayans.

All of Nos' predictions are so vague you could pin them to any event. Seers haven't changed much over time, they still "See strong feelings for a departed loved one", or "Sense you know someone whose name has an 'L' in it".
The Twin Towers wasn't the first event people started tossing his name around, but if you look back at any/all of them and read the passages they say meant what they think it did, you could probably in your own knowledge of World history think of 3 or more other events it could relate to.

Oh, forgot to mention the "ludicrous ideals of the Mayans" generated the calendar system we still use today, complete with leap year.

I thought it was the Aztecs. *shrug* Either way, the date's what matters.

~GR

There's all South American tribes, and they all came up with very similar ideas. Calendars, mathematics, concept of zero.

Very smart and sophisticated, unlike today's world. :P

Eh, well, when you didn't have to worry about paying your bills on time, I guess people had more time to stare at the sky and figure it out. XP

~GR

That's an interesting way to look at it.

I think it's more that people today just go on with their lives, taking everything for granted, while people back then we're genuinely interested in what was to come to our world as a whole, not the individuals.

were, not we're*

Well, it's been my expirience (mine, mind you. I'm not saying this is fact) that certain things get suppressed because achieving them would be "too costly." Take the space program, for example. We could be living on a terraformed Mars by now if we put the effort into the technology to do it, but because space travel is no longer a priority, NASA gets the short end of the budget. (Though I'm not entirely sure where the budget cuts were moved to.)

~GR

Mmm, that sounds about right to me. Too many things are being cut short because of pointless war and improper spending.

^_^ Good to know that I'm not the only one that sees this.

~GR

Nah, the ones who care enough to remove their heads from their asses should see the same thing as us. :P

Think about how much money we spend on entertainment to the exclusion of everything else. I mean, look at sports. Billions and billions of dollars...what exactly is it doing? Movies, video games, etc....What about them?

TV and Internet have useful purposes cause they are centers of information and communication, two of humanities greatest assets. But all the other stuff? It's just to keep us happy, not to further develop our future.

Couldn't have put it better myself.

Relates to the fall of Rome. The country was in denial of its pending downfall, and the emperors at the time decided to pacify the masses with the entertainment of the Colloseum and the Hippodrome, distracting them from the true issues at hand as leaders grew more corrupt and secured their own personal legacies, knowing very well the masses would suffer upon the great fall.

Look at today. Leaders of ever growing corruption, masses distracted by the modern Colloseum of our Television...we as a whole sit idly by as the great society we built comes crumbling down.

No argument here. But it all falls into the sad truth that all things come to an end. It's fun to think the United States will be a world leader 1,000 years from now, but it's just not true. However, I'm not one to try to change things that can't be changed. I just accept them, and do what little I can to make a difference in my life, and the lives of those I care about. Let the world crumble and rebuild itself. It always does. I'm just tagging along

Cheers to that.

No matter what they tell you, the individual cannot change the world itself. You can, however, change the world of others, and that's where one finds real satisfaction.

We're on the bus, and it repeats the same route every second of every day. May as well make the best of where it takes you.

Ahem... Let's take a look at what has actually been said on the subject. According to the Mayans, some "great circle"-thingy or whatnot comes to an end in 2012. However...Thinking it'd be the end of the world would be incorrect, as the birthdays of some Mayan rulers had been calculated as far as some... 2500-something? Thing just is, the stone on which all this was recorded was damaged, the last pictogram -which would've explained everything- missing.

It may mean the end of one thing, but at the same time -personal speculation and a lot of guesswork- it will also just be a whole new beginning. Whatever the case, I intend to get laid a lot before that happens...just in case <.<

Is it Dec' 23rd, 2012?

Too many instances of 12 in that date.

You could try searching Google Video...

Also take a listen to Stephen Hawkings work. He doesn't focus on space that much, but he's still fantastically brilliant :D

Mmm sounds interesting buddy, we'll have to keep each other occupied until then

ah, hence you lkeing my new image, fascinating *scratches chin*

i beleive that there will be a sudden eruption of fire, and then, nothing

Boom?

Oh if wee die, no one will care aftherwards:)

actually the world ended in 2000.

The problem with planets is their definition. As you probably know, Pluto was recently dropped from the popularised list of the Solar System's planets. If you haggle over definitions of planets you could even argue that there are millions of planets in this Solar System. It's certainly interesting to read up about the superstitous beliefs of other cultures, especially the oldest one in recorded human history. As for the 'truth', an ancient culture of people believing in a mysterious planet filled with Gods that somehow only draws close every 3600 years isn't really something I'd be putting my faith in. For instance, how were they so sure of the time-scale between each 'visit' of the planet? Not only that, there's also the obvious point of saying there are Gods. It's such a terribly overused idea and I'm assuming Summerians couldn't travel through space to visit this mysterious Nibiru. Bear in mind the ancient Egyptian beliefs about the nature of the Sun.

Speculative theories about Gods and the universe are certainly interesting, but not to be taken seriously. Humans do indeed go back more than 4000 years by the way. Over tens of thousands of years actually XP. If you think of how hard it is for people to uncover evidence of, say, Roman times, just think of how obscure the very far reaches of human history are.

that is true, but we shouldnt dismis the Summerians stories as myth. Some of the things the sumerians 'created' we still use like agriculture, mathimatics, astronomy and writing. They seem to have known of the exsistance of Uranis, neptune and pluto all those years ago but only were supposidly discovered in the late 60's. Also, the way they placed the earth as revolving around the sun and as the 7th planet, as if counting it as if entering the solar system. Im also very sceptical but it did seem as if they knew alot. but again, we dont know if they were just their stories. it is interesting that the hebrew and greek and later english versions of the old testiment were originally from sumerian writings. I just wish that we knew more or maybe its better to not know hehe.

Ancient cultures were indeed very intelligent. The History Channel is full of programs on discoveries from ancient history that are putting all our original beliefs to shame. They've found evidence of self-powered clocks accurate to basically today's standards, mechanical computers, etc.

Also, there's the great burning of the Library of Alexandria. It was the central location of all European knowledge, and even further out than that, and it was burned to the ground. Very little to nothing survived. They say it sent us back 1,000 years. Some believe there were steam engine designs way back then. That was one of the things that sparked the Industrial Revolution. Imagine that, if there had been and it hadn't been destroyed, we would have been using Nuclear weapons for war during the Dark Ages, and not swords and armor.

But as for ancient beliefs? They were probably very accurate in much of what they learned. But when humans can't answer a question, they turn to faith and theory. So they probably did know quite a bit about all that was happening, but when they ran into a snag of things they couldn't explain, they may very well have turned to this mysterious planet as the answer. Not because it was true, but because they had no other answer to give. Just a thought

Well we know an awful lot of things now, for instance. We know far more than any ancient culture did, but yet we still have superstitious beliefs in our modern cultures. There's no doubt that they weren't stupid, but that doesn't mean that any outrageous claims they made about the universe should be taken seriously XP. Especially that bit about a planet filled with gods XP.

there is always truth in myth and legend. look at troy thought to be just myth thats it... till they found it in Turkey. there are allot of weird and strange things going on in are dimension who is to say each persons theory is right or wrong. reality is in the eye of the beholder.

Sounds like an interesting hypothisis of the beginning of cultured living.. But who really knows, and we won't know until we either die or something happens like the Apocolypse or if aliens come or whatever it happens to be. Thus being where religions stem from in that human curiousity of fear of the unknown and attempts to explain said unknown when in truth it will remain unknown until one's death when all will be revieled.. Either there is a god, many gods, a next life, or just nothing.. *shrugs* S'a mystery of life that will possibly never be known to the living.

curiousity and fear* >.>;;

Frankly, I can say with 99% certainty that humans will annihilate their own race long before nature can muster a successful attempt.

yes, apparently we as humans go back maybe 10.000 years. we rise up and become advanced then end up killing each other and almost going back again into the stone ages then starting up again. Like albert einstein once said, something along the lines of, next world war we will fight with nuclear weopons then after that with sticks and stones.

yes, I only found out reciently that India had a very old civilization once too. and some of their writings talk about some huge war they had with weopons that sound like nuclear weopons.

interesting you mention this cause one of my friends told me of a strange theory he thought of. the human race dates back longer than 10,000 years. what happened was that world war caused the humans to become extinct after using so many fossil fuels and weapons to destroy each other. after the humans were extinct, everything started to balance out again. the world grew better, then the single celled organism evolved and became man again. go back to the top of this paragraph and start reading. history does repeat its self eh?

(my favorite quote of enstein "the world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing"

Mathmatically speaking, that kind of orbit is impossible. The sun's gravitational pull combined with the constant outward push of spinning around an object is what keeps us in orbit, and anything beyond a certain distance is no longer affected by the tow.

Now, Pluto's orbit is right around 250 Earth years. It's one of the farthest body away from our star that can still be affected by it's pull. How can something that has an orbital body of 3600 years even be remotely affected by a star as small as ours? That would send the planet well beyond the reach of our star's gravity.

I can say with an 87% certainty that this "Nibiru" that the Summerians reffered to was not a planet. Or, if it was, it escaped or sun's gravity some thousands of years ago. Of course, Nibiru may very well just be a part of the Summerian mythology regarding gods, such as today we have Christianity and Hinduism.

Look up 'Planet X' and the behavior of light orbital bodies.

It's been drawn and concluded feasible that it is in fact a light object which is being 'slingshotted' back and frth between a 2 or even 3 point star path. It comes extremely close to them, enough to be 'caught' only enough to be turned back around. Rinse, repeat, until eventual instability causes a solar impact or simply chucks it right off course.

Remember the laws of energy and motion.

Yes, the slingshot effect would come into effect here. However, if it's a light orbital body, it wouldn't have been as destructive as claimed it was, even if it's gravitational force affected us.

The nearest star to us is Proxima Centauri, in the Alpha Centauri system. It is around 4.25 lightyears away from us. A lightyear is measured as 11,176,943 m/h. To travel between Proxima Centauri and Sol within 3600 years at a distance of 4.25, the orbital mass would have to travel at a constant speed of 13,195 m/h, assuming that the stars are not moving father apart from one another in odd directions (which, as we already know, they are)

when I say light, I mean that it has a light density. It could still be of incredible size. The smaller and more dense, the more the mass resembles a bullet and is impossible to deter. However if it's larger, it accelerates more slowly and decellerates more swiftly, making it more manipulable in an unstable gravity well.

Size isn't a factor in gavity. Denisty is the needed factor.

If Jupiter were smaller with the same amount of mass, it would simply be more dense and it's gravity would be the same.

Either way, my point stands. Small and less dense, or large and less dense, it's doubtful that it's gravity would've affected us that greatly.

You're forgetting that space isn't a perfect vacuum and that everything has mass, however.

A larger object will, inevitable, accelerate more slowly simply because it's running into tiny bits of debris, particles, gases, etc. And, above all, energy from the sun. This is why an object in space doesn't appear to move, but by opening a solar sail it can move at a considerable speed, 'pushed' by the sun's solar rays.

Thus, bigger DOES have an effect on gravity's effect, solely due to the laws of inertia, friction, and kinetic force.

I don't get that notion.

Gravity is a force of PULL, not push. Something acting to push something away from it is not the effect of gravity. It's simple force, which is used to escape gravity's pull.

By that notion, size has an effect on speed in that larger objects will strike more particles and accelerate slowly, but not gravity itself

You're arguing semantics now.

The force of the pull is less effective when there's also a source of push on the object.

100 'units' of 'pull' from gravity is 100 units.
50 units of 'push' from light is 50 units.
Only 50 units of 'pull' are left, thus it accelerates at the effect of 50 units.

Make sense?

True, but it's still not gravity. It's the work of force against gravity. The essence of gravity is the same, 100 units, whether or not the 50 units of force are there or not

Gravity affects accelleration

Force affects accelleration

They affect opposite one another. The gravity is still the same. There's simply force working against it now

I never said it affected the amoutn of gravity present. I said it affected the result.

Again, arguing semantics.

Gravitational semantics are important to argue just as much as gravity itself. Otherwise you end up arguing about two different things

Force has to exceed gravity for the effects to be different. In this instance, force would have to be at least 101 of push to have anything besides 100 units of pull come out on top, in which case gravity is no longer in effect

Beyond that, you were arguing about the effects of gravity on speed

I was arguing the effects of gravity on objects, such as planets

At least, that was my original argument >.>

Please make ONE post, thanks.

And wrong. What you've said is fundamentally and observably wrong. Any amount of push applied against a pull negates an equal quantity of the lesser amount. If this weren't the case, friction would not exist and all objects in motion would remain so unless a greater force were exerted, which would push them into motion in the opposite direction.

Think about it. You're saying that you can't slow an object by applying a bit of pressure to it. That a car's breaks can only either stop it entirely or throw it instantly into reverse, defying intertia.

Actually, no, that's not what I'm arguing at ALL.

Inertia and gravity have absolutely nothing to do with one another, and your thinking is incredibly flawed if that's what you believe. When did we get into discussing interia anyway?

My first point was that mass affects gravity, not size. My second point was that regardless of how much force you put on something, gravity is still in effect unless you completely county gravity's force.

Gravity affects speed, anyone with a brain could tell you that. So does force.

What on earth is wrong with you? This argument has veered so far off course, we're not even discussing gravity anymore. (If you're going to answer that, please do so in a note so we don't bog down this journal with drama)

But we do know that our solar system as a whole is constantly moving, and we know that there are areas in space where we pass between other solar systems, (on a grand scale and involving many millions of other systems over thousands of years). Could it not be conceived thus that we passed by a "lone planet" ...

Okay, so theres a lot more detail needs to be considered to go anywhere near proving that, but it's a theory, no?
Just because something cannot be part of our solar system, doesn't mean it cannot exist, does it?

Have to admit... I find some things like this interesting, not so much the "end of the world" aspect that so many people seem to take interest in, but I find the theories of such things as Ancinet Egyptians having electricity interesting... Quite possibly, some ancient cultures did know more than we now give them credit for.

yes, like the 'baghdad battery' very interesting.

2011, actually, according to one of the ancient calendars, is supposed to be the dawning of the Age of Aquarius. So end of the world... in a sense, I suppose... My dad goes on about this stuff a lot, and I only catch little bits and pieces of it x.x But yeah, I know about some of this stuff... some...

Something I've been told, is that there's a huge black hole in the midle ofthe universe that will eventually consume it all, now its supposed that everything starts all over again.

But if thats the case, we can't even get an evidence if we're in the first universe that has been ever created, who can actually get evidence of that if everything got destroyed already?

Actually we understand more than enough about blackholes to dispel that myth.

Black holes are not all-consuming. They are capable, and do, reach a point of critical mass in which they counter-collapse. They are also escapeable, as many forms of energy do so constantly.

Heh Perhaps, but it blackholes couls actually suck everything up, makes you think what number of universe are we in, what group of living beings we belong to, inlcuding not only on earth.

But still, its an interestin theory.

Don't forget that the Universe is believed to be still expanding at an increasing rate. That black hole would have to be pretty dang powerful to pull off such suction before everything drifted too far away from it. X3

Another thing that has me wondering "what he heck is the universe filling?" >w<

The theory is that there's -nothing- beyond the Universe and that the Universe will forever expand in size, because there's nothing to stop it expanding because nothing exists outside the Universe. Funny how that works, isn't it? :3

Incredibly funny =P, nothing is filled with something that didn't fill that space in the first place, but iof thats the case it would be impossible to explore it all without making colonies in other suitable planets.

Black holes are AWESOME! ... see.. the rim of a black hole is it's 'primary horizon' which is only so big, right? .. well.. If there's too much matter trying to enter it, then some gets tossed back out. That action makes a 'secondary horizon'. That's the space where matter is trying to escape, but can't because the gravitational pull of the black hole is too strong! *crazyness* .. so eventually, there's just too much mass in between the two horizons. The black hole FREAKS THE EFF OUT and collapses on itself. *shrugs* So it'd take one ungodly huge black hole to swallow the whole universe. But you never know.. it could happen.

I really like the theory that there is a dormant black hole in the center of the earth. It's a pretty timid theory, but it explains symtoms like the Bermuda, and Dragons Triangle. That shit is NEAT! (sorry 'bout the novel)

Bermuda triangle, i love that theory, be able to meet ships of other times, or grow old in one blink and then next you're a child once more, I'd love to gi find out myself.

The whole planet -is- a dorment black hole. X3 When the planet lives it's lifespan and collapses because the core implodes, then it devolves into a black hole. Aaaall planets do that. :3

Actually, the 'size' of a black hole is a relative term. A black hole is a singular tiny micro-dot of inconceivably compressed matter. As such, it's actually only nanometers (or less) wide in any direction.
It's the mass that determines what we perceive as 'size', since that directly correlates with the 'area of effect'.

Additionally, it's impossible to have a black-hole consume the universe, and unlikely it could even consume a galaxy, because it would reach critical mass long before doing so.

Yup yup.. but a black holes primary horizon has a size. Since it's not the black hole it'self, it's only the bent /warped area in space. It's the point of no return, basicly.. the point where the gravitational pull of the black hole is too strong for the matter to escape.

But since it's impossible to study the inside of one.. really we're not sure if anything gets through or not. Even though it'd be really unlikely that something the size of a moon, crushed to the size of a grouping of particles, could just inflate back to it's original size. Still... anything past that primary horizon is 100% theory.

I'll give you another theory for Bermuda. Its called a Rogue Wave. Enormous waves created by conflict between currents and surface water, and also sometimes created by storms hundreds of miles away from a calm sea.

Though, some people believe this to be just hollywood. In the 1980's the Ocean Ranger, an rig set up in Cook Inlet, was completely capsized by a rogue wave. All 84 on board died. In 2005, a cruise ship was also struck by a rogue wave as well.

Actually, a popular sci-fi myth is black holes = universal portals. Not true.

Black holes are a quantum singularity, but they're still within the same dimension. However it's heavily warped, as the gravity field compresses matter into a near-infinitely tiny area. It also warps time, which is presently beleived to be a form of progressive energy (or possibly anti-energy, the result of energy explusion creates an opposite equal reaction responsible for the procession of events.. complicated theory)
Nothing could survive in a black hole simply because of the fact that mass has become so dense that molecular structures are crushed, and probably even atomic structures, so that sub-atomic particles themselves are smashed to near crushing-point. (it's presumed that if they're broken into smaller matter, quarks theoretically, they no longer are affected by gravity and their mass shifts, thus letting it basically either drift away or, more widely accepted, phase out of normal space)

You're way too smart for me, you blow me away >w< *bows before you*

Astrophysics is a point of much interest to me. I especially worship Steven Hawking.

heheh, Its a really cool subject altho, I rather stay with the subejcts that study soul and feelings than trying to find an explanation to evreything ^^

Indeed, there are many unanswered questions. There's also alot of work out there on the subject. However something to keep in mind is that information gotten from the internet (no matter how well intended) Is about as accurate as a blind man throwing darts. Sure it has a sharp point and sticks in whatever it's thrown at. But was it thrown at the right thing? I'm not saying don't look, I'm just saying don't put much faith in anything you find online unless you can positively confirm it.

As far as your main point goes though... Yeah that's the 'end' of the mayan calendar there's still some debate over whether they just stopped there or if it's actually when the world is supposed to end. As for another planet on the off of an orbit... well we wouldn't need NASA telling us about it because it would be blatantly apparent by the orbits of the rest of the planets, which would be vastly less stable having another planet coming through every couple of thousand years. Although I do agree that we've had outside influence in our developement. We may not have even developed here at all (they still have yet to find that missing link.) But that's just wishful thinking on my part based on many older civilizations refering to the human race as the children of the stars and referencing us having come from there.

It is all very fascinating and leaves many questions unanswered. Honestly I'd love to have more answers, or at least more information to work with that hasn't already been skewed by everyone elses agenda..

Good luck with the search!

"If you look at the whole life of the planet, we... you know, man, has only been around for a few blinks of an eye. So if something wipes us all out, that is a return to normality."

Two main events are happening in 2012. First of all the Earth's core is going to reverse its roation, reversing the magnetic poles. Secondly the planet Earth will become alligned with the center of our galaxy.

A thing to understand about prophecies about the "End of the World" is that they are not litteral. For the most part they just speak of an end of an era. Also note that most of these prophecies also speak of the begining of something new afterwards.

So many people have said the end of the world is coming, and it never has. So its hard to tell I mean our planet cant last forever im sure. but i cant see it ending so soon, baring a extreme nuclear fallout. call me naive but i think things are goin alright in the cosmos

Of course NASA and the government know a whole lot more. We're not as advanced as we like to think we are, and of course we have been gifted upon many times by visitors to our little green an blue planet.

Surely, there has to be life out there, and I would consider myself more than blessed to see life which may have aided human lifeforms in the past. For now, all I can do is smile when I see UFOs. ^_^'

It's all really neat stuff. I've been interested in it for as long as I can remember. Sadly.. I don't know anything more than you do, probably. Once you get to certain point, the information just... .stops.

My dad told me about the writings of Zachariah Sitchin.

I'm waiting with baited breath for 12/21/2012. Sure that's when the mayan calendar ends, but who knows? Maybe if what these teachings teach are true, then these visitors will come down and simply add to the calendar?

Maybe whoever comes down from 'Planet X' will be kind enough to enlighten the human race and slap our collective wrists for being so barbaric to each other.

Or... perhaps they're see how destructive we've become, and decide we're no longer a race worth saving/enslaving and attempt to obliterate us.

That is... if you believe such things. I myself won't hinge everything I know onto it, but I won't dismiss it entirely.

its quiet interesting, I remeber once reading the book of revelations, last book of the new testiment. I recall reading some stuff like, the moon will go red as blood and what not and that there will be something in the sky that man will see both in the day and night. could that be this planet X returning? I only hope if the 'gods' do return, they can help us put aside all this war we have with each other. it be cool if these 'gods' were anthros hehe

You mean the cryptic bit that was a metaphor for Roman occupation?

OMG I solved it.. Zen is only looking for anthro's... *yells to Zen who is trying to fly a cardboard box into space* dun do it.. look into things like genetics and cloning

XD sorry.. had to do it ^.^

There's always more information out there than the general public is aware of. Some of it is concealed because it would be unpopular, some of it because the people who do know think the public isn't ready to know it yet. I agree that it's a bunch of political hooey, since I feel information is meant to be freely shared, though it's very difficult to convince the people with the information to share it. :(

It is not simple, but it is not confusing either.
And it is not a matter of numbers.

I'm also fascinated with astronomy as well, there's so much out there we have'nt seen and likely never will in our lifetimes. It's all a big wonder out there.

Though as for the Mayan calender ending at that particular date...it's possible they just decided not to finish the calenders past that point thinking either it was too tedious to put in the date of every single day of every single year, or they never got around to it. It's likely just a big misinterpretation today seeing the calender suddenly stopping on December 12, 2012, if anything, we'd be best off waiting until the actual date comes and goes. If memory serves, people were paranoid the year 2000 was going to be the end of the world and there were suicides thanks to that fear (a similar fear happened on 6/6/06 too), I'm choosing to go about my life normally even if 12/12/12 nears.

I suggest taking information gleaned from the internet, especially information dealing with UFOs, ancient civilizations, and prophecies about what happens in the future, with a large grain of salt.

Consider your sources... if they don't have any credible evidence to back up their claims, then what they're offering up are just fanciful stories, nothing more. As you yourself point out, these claims aren't being supported by evidence. So why believe in them?

yes, thats why im trying to get alot of info on the subject from different sauses with their level of experties and credibility. Its hard for me cause I want so hard to believe in things but I like to know for sure. so all I can do is listen to the evidence and see but im just so worried that if there is that evidence that would blow the door open so we knew more, I worry that those in high places decide that it would be to much for society and keep it from us. Its such a pity that this war in irac just had to be in the birth place of the oldist civilization and so many artifacts have either been stolen or destroyed.

The problem I have with a lot of people who make claims about alien conspiracies and whatnot is that they almost always point to their lack of proof as proof positive that they're on to something.

Consider this scenario: you and I are walking together along the beach. Suddenly I say to you, "There are aliens amongst us. See that guy over there in the bowler hat? He's an alien in disguise."

You walk over to the guy in the bowler hat and ask, "Pardon me, but is it true that you're an alien?" The man in the bowler hat promptly replies, "Why, no, I'm not."

Now I clap my hands and say, "Aha! See, the fact that he's denying it just proves my point. After all, if he wasn't an alien, why would he deny it?"

This is essentially what conspiracy theorists do - they push the burden of proof away from themselves and onto other people or organizations, while claiming that all denial or counterargument gives weight to their story.

you said it right

I can tell you what is most likely going to happen in 2012.

And the world doesn't exactly end there either, being the Mayan Calendar has a Baktun (in fact, several Baktuns) afte 13.

What is most likely going to happen is the increased risk of something called a "Perfect Solar Storm" during the regular cycle of the Sun shifting its poles. It will be at Maximum around that year.

What happens in a perfect solar storm is a massive coronal ejection of radiated plasma that directly strikes the planet. Something like that can potentiall cause a major disruption of society because it will effect all forms of electronic technology. The last perfect solar storm was in 1859.

That's probably all that will happen, IF it happens on that date. Its only an estimate and not a guarantee due to the erratic nature of the sun.

Oh, and I almost forgot.

On Dec 21, 2012, the Sun will pass the Galactic Equator. That's what's happening. However, there is no proof such an event has caused a mass extinction in the past.

I remember reading theories on the whole Egyptian Pyramid thing and how it seems they couldn't have been built by themselves due to the technological advances needed...and so lends points to the fact of 'aliens' (to use the crude term) assisting them.

That and yes, Revelations is not good bedtime reading material - I remember from years ago that some of the stuff in there was quite...sobering.

Well if there is any justice in the cosmos (and there probebly isnt) when the time comes we will all turn into our most wanted ideal of ourselves...and if the human race is destined for extinction from wiping each other out (most likley) I guess im glad im a furry. So when the end comes I hope we can all get together and turn into our fursonas lol. Of course the world is less then perfect and we all might just watch as a small unknown volcano in mexico lets out a small burp and all is quiet until the next prophesy of doom happens to pop up :)

I find it funny when people say they are interested in space and all the myths that follow it when most of space is just void and worthlessly empty. Then you look back onto the planet Earth and you realize that there is just a shitload of stuff going on that makes it about ten million times more interesting.

Because everything here is observable and fairly well understood. However things such as gravity aren't fully understood, time isn't, how a vacuum can form in space thus making space an empty place, and the fact other planets probably have life with equally and different interesting things happening here. How suns burn and how the universe functions thus making all these neat things on earth work.

"Any inquiry into the nature of an object or phenomenon inevitably leads to an inquiry of another."

If you think that everything on earth is observable, then please try and look at the smallest pieces of matter. Guess what, you can't. Also, try learning the names of all the bugs on the planet earth, can't do that either because there are far too many. Also, try going underwater and mapping out the deepest reaches of the sea along with the little things down there that live in the darkness below the depth, can't do that very well either. The fact is that people think that we know a lot about our own planet, but we don't ~30% of the earth is made up of land, less than 50% of that is known in an out. ~70% of the earth is made up of water, less than 25% is known.

The fact is that people think that space is so vast and more unknown than our own planet because they think it is the final direction that people will be going, the final fronteer some say. In truth there are thousands of other fronteers that they just don't see that require us to not even leave our own atmosphere. In other words, you think you want to know more about space because you can't live there and so you want to, but what about living thousands of feet under the ocean floor for more than a day, underneath the earth closer to the hot core, or even in the sky. The possibilities on this planet are just as endless, for everything is just as infinately small as things are infinately big.

Oh, and wondering how nothing can form is about the dullest thing you could think about. You said it, not me, but when you have nothing, then nothing forms. When you take everything from one place and move it, then you have nothing. It's fairly simple.

Just to note, as backwards as you think my thought it, I think the same about yours.

I've had a lot of sleeper classes on space and I find it as interesting as a lot of people (nulling out the ones that hate it), but the unknown that exists there also exists here

..Can't you like both? :) It's like you're trying to make an argument as to who's more interesting, the Earth, or the thousands of Galaxies out there (With probably several hundred/thousand earth like planets to be in depthly studied) XD Kinda null argument, as they're both so interesting :)

But yeah, we do kinda need to look into the intricities of this planet first, of course. Pointless just skipping that by. But space is kinda a new playtoy for our imaginations :) Earth -is- limited by basic values. Gases, gravity etc, things that if you're to function here, you need to maintain within. Gotta be some weird critters out there on a distant planet with some strange functions for their planets eco system (though earth has some pretty mucked up ones already :P)


..I'm sure some geek out there probably knows the millions of names of bugs XD Saaaaad if so :P

I'm not saying that I think that space shouldn't be studied, but that concentration just on it isn't good (IE agreeing with you), and as to your planets like earth, except for the fact that they are rocks like ours, the chances of the rare thing of life happening on them is extremely slim and so although we should take caution to going to them (when possible), they should be seen more as a resourceful way for expansion of the human race more than there actually being something there.

And any geek that can name millions of bugs off the top of his head is definately sad, but he doesn't know them all. The smaller the creature the faster the evolution the more of them there are.

the earth is very interesting for sure but heck, I have just always felt attracted to the shere vastness of space. dont think of space as empty,as was said on that movie 2001 ... my God! it's full of stars.

lol, as true as that last statement is so is Earth... Hell, look in the mirror and see one right now... maybe two

Personally, I just believe that is when their calendar starts over, and that it's not the end of the world. However. That doesn't mean that I don't think something momentous will happen. I'm sure it will. I just wish I knew what. The Nibiru theory is cool, I've never heard anything about it before! Do you happen to have a link I could look it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIGr.....ed&search=

some interesting stuff ^_^

read through half of this stuff and now my brain hurts

Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side. There's no all-powerful Force controlling MY destiny.

XD

i dont wanna die yet T_T

first off i would really really like to know something.. where do you get 4000 years from? ancient egypt alone is recorded as 8000+ years ago >> (6000BC + 2000AC)

40,000 possibly given the rate of evolution to create anything close to what we'd consider human.

it's certainly a fascinating idea isnt it, i mean the way the stories go im not sure if i'd concider them as the reason the idea of elves came about or in some cases where hey talk about "the long pointed face" reminds me more of anubis, all it would have taken is one guy to say "they have faces pointed like jackals" for that idea to arise.

sorry hehe, I meant egyption culture went back to about 4000 years ago (so they teach us) but science is now saying that the sphinx goes back to about 10,000 years.

hehe :P and i dont think sientists can reallly tell that, the sphinx has been restored at least 3 times as far as they can tell over the past 3000 years and it's even being referbished so to speak right now so who knows how many times some cluture or another have dabled with it :>

funny how you say that because people believe that the sphinx was originally just a large statue of a lion, then an egyption pharoh came along and carved the lion off and made his face into it many years ago

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thats more then likely :D because the actual head of the sphinx is made from a far less dense stone to the rest of it's body and also notice how new it looks compared to the body

Hmmm, you and I both have this in common. I'm so fucking inquisitive when it comes to space and the far reaches of it, where we come from, why are we here? How the HELL did it all start? Big bang, bla bla, universe is like a rubber band, bla bla. lol, and just yesterday i found out we can actually FIND the "Edge" of the universe? WTF?! LOL. apparently we bounce of high frequency signals of some sort out there, and they bounce back. but thing is, i wonder, how do we know its not just hitting some solid mass? whatever but yea, what yer saying about the summerians... interesting, its really something to think aboutl.

that means its time to get these aluminium hats or paper bags in our heads? D:

NO! get a aluminium hat that has Hershi Kiss' in it =D

but what if they love hershie's and they end voring our headS? D:

Then get black licerush (mis-spell). almost everyone hates that =D

According to the ancient calendars, my butt itches.

xD

Your thoughts intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. ;3

Actually if you're up to it I'd like to chat about whatever theories you have and show you some fun literature that might knock your socks off. Feel free to shoot me an IM any time.

He has some excellent literature in the trunk of his car XD

The concepts of deities in general has so many speculations behind it, it's hard to say what's what.

But what's evident in a lot of cultures is the noting that they're more advanced beings than us, they have a tie in our creation, supposedly, and they come from an unreachable land that only they can guide us to, in one way or another.

Whatever happens in 2012, not really worried about it. There was the Nostradamus readings, as well as the theory of Armageddon, which's supposed to happen at around now. Shiva does his dance, Balder meets his demise, all religions point at this, in one way or another. the End of Mankind.

The theory that they can be an intelligent lifeforce isn't too far-fetched. To be an egotist and state that we're the only creatures in the universe that are blessed with life is as right as egotism is. "Nibiru" can be a ship that monitors the planet at a set time, circling the system to and from the homeworld of the "gods" like a satellite to gather info on progress. Maybe, if we're not progressing the way that was planned, they start over, wipe us out and make a clean slate? Who knows, and doubt we could really do much about it, if that was the case.

Bitchin topic, dude. Haven't thought about this for a while, and definitely an interesting conversational piece.

i would like to know more can you send me links?

That mayans 2011 thing is the first revolution of the sun around the galaxy. Most of the Higher culture visit stuff is usually boils down to I'm a whiter eupoean decent archologist and I'll ingore the 100's of years of evidance of slow build up of knowalge about "name area of knowlage" and claim it came form an outside source because those people can't of been smart enough to get ity them selfs. And the claim we were more advance in the past is not true past cultures have done feat that are amassing like the mayans maths and atrology knowlage but these are cultures that are as old as most modern day except oriantal their older.

Me and my boyfriend have talks about space all the time ^_^ Talking about human advances and space stuff : O I personally watch star gate and star trek. Ilove alien specials and nasa reports ^_^ I constantly check in on nasas latest projects. Discovery channel did a cool thing where they computer graphi-cated a whole story about thwo AI robots hecking out a planet called Darwin so yeah

I love space < 3 I have somthing for you if your intrested. The entire story about how the aliens from nibiru came here and stuff ^_^ Its REALLY intresting < 3

But wow I didt know you were intrested in this * licks* I liek you a whole lot more now.

Humans go back a lot longer than that. If I remember corectly, it's over 50,000 years. They didn't create civilizations for many years after, well as far as we know. Anyways, all that stuff, history and space and such is really interesting. Actually, they are one of the things I look up most. x3

I'll finish for you, Disney will rise out of his grave and tell his Componey to stop making sequals of classic movies xD

what, can't I bring the gfunny in this jounal? btw, do you know were I can get Steven Hawkings robot voice at? if yes, which website?

is it avalible for download becaouse I can't find it online (yet)

I was using Yahoo Search to find it =P lol

ok =)

If we were able it invent a time machine, travel back to those days. We would be gods too, yes?

err... able to invent, I wish there was an edit feature!

Yay crackpot theories! XD

I believe that every theory about the end of the world from the ancient races are all from visions so maybe... those which were written on their records are just signifying things from the future which they saw and doesn't exists in their time (when you travel to the past and showed them a lighted flashlight they would probably record you as a god who weilds and controls light )

Advance Race of Alien's destroying the Earth has minimal percentage of occuring (wow they developed advance weaponry and gadgets and they didn't know about advance methods like diplomacy and colonization which they can gain more advantages... )

Rocks and objects from space coliding to Earth can be stoped by the combined NUKES or weapons from the nations of the world (USA isn't just the country who will stop the obliteration like in the movies... Countries will compete in saving the world like the race to the Moon)

I believe that humanity will destroy the Earth and itself has the most probable chance of occuring...

~just an Oppinion

BTW we have satelites which can detect extremely far objects in the outerspace so we could detect if a planet/object is closing by and be ready for it

...and if nothing particularly spectacular happens then, what will you do?

The problem with Niburu is that it doesn't conform to the gravitational data we know about such things. Ancient babylonian carvings and such also include Earth's moon and the sun as planets, and yet they don't show the moons of other planets, which are far, far closer than Niburu/Planet X.

All this "Ancient Advance Culture" stuff pisses me off, in that it's taken into account on matters of a solar nature because it's old. These people didn't know anything about sanitation or disease, and yet they somehow managed to learn more about the solar system than we currently know with our INCREDIBLE technological advantage?

Yeah, right.

Nostradamus' predictions are written in a way so to be cryptic and generalized, and he wrote hundreds of the damned things. It's a bunch of hooey. 'On x date in x year, x happens' is a prediction that can be testable. Nostradamus' writings are not, people look around for events that match up to the generic writings and go "Ah ha! He got it right!'

And this if 'they' know, they won't tell the public is the type of conspiracy theorist crap that people who can't bloody prove their idiocy and quackery pull out. "We can't find anything because the government is hiding it!"

"We don't know how the ancient Egyptians managed to build the pyramids with their ancient technology, so Aliens did it" is an argument from ignorance logical fallacy. And it's not even true in that there are several plausible theories on how they were made have been developed and tested.

But it's all being suppressed by the government. Thats right every single bit of this knowledge is kept under wraps and it never gets out....ever. They collect all the secret information and keep it to themselves for no reason except to piss us off [sarcasm]

The end of all life is a key part in every religion. Its been evident ever since the begining of man.

Frankly my personal opinion is man invented god as a source of hope, a way to drive on in hard times, a promise of something more when we die, a way to strive to be good people. My opinion on then end of the work is the same as the begining. Since man doesn't understand were we came from we make it up as we go along. We invent the begining as magical and give no way to understand it. We do the same with the end of life. We make up our own versions as a way of giving ourselves peace. We try to calm our minds by lying and saying we know just how it will all end. The truth; no one really knows how we came to be or how it will end. Science tries its best but there is so much it cant answer. Religion makes its own version in an attempt to comfort our uncertanty. For myself....I dont like either, I like surprises. I dont want the answers I just want to live out my time the best way I know how. :) Its worked for me so far.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped.....aleBlueDot.jpg

"That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you've ever heard of, every human being who ever was lived out their lives. The aggregate of all our joys and sufferings, thousands of confident religions, ideologies and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilizations, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every hopeful child, every mother and father, every inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every superstar, every supreme leader, every saint and sinner in the history of our species, lived there - on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam." - Carl Sagan

I've always had a real interest in that passage, it shows just how everything we've accomplished in the last several thousand years seem so insignificant in comparison to the whole of the universe.

*Buys you a cardboard box, some paints and a space game* Until we're richer, this is all ya getting :P *nibbles* Well heck, you know i'm as fascinated as you are. Roll on evidence please, governments! :) For or against, as long as there's something XD

I agree with cork....listen to Carl Sagan...he is a bit hard to listen to because he is very dry to listen to....but if the universe is your thing...he is the guy i recommend.

What the hell is a Niburu?

Carl Sagan is indeed one of the best, but he is an extreme realist, as I understand him, believing that even contact with an alien civilization is impossible, because of the light speed barrier, the vast distances between stars, and a belief that the number of planets possesing any kind of intelligent life, let alone our level of technology and civilization is remote, compared to the size of the galaxy as a whole. Then again, there is a quote from the movie Contact that I've always loved. "If God created all of space, then just us, as the only intelligent life, then that's a whole lot of wasted space."

I do believe there are aliens out there and that it's human arogance that assumes, like the old argument against flying machines, that if we don't already know how to do it, then it's impossible. I also love to laugh my head off at the people who smugly claim "If there are intelligent aliens out there, then why haven't they contacted us?" and then point to the absence of proof to back up their argument that alien life does not exist. It's a completely stupid argument, because like the one that insisted that the Sun revolves around the Earth, it biligerently assumes that the universe revolves around us. Frankly it wouldn't suprise me at all if there are aliens all over the place and they are doing their damnedest to keep us ignorant, because they view humanity on the whole as about the level of a teenager. Personally, all I have to do is look at the newspaper every morning to see a dozen reasons any alien civilzation would want to stay as far away as possible from us.

hmm, never heard this one before. but i'm rather open minded about things like that. i often find myself looking at a similar idea of us being a second evolution of some race. really, i get the idea from stargate Sg-1 and stargate atlantis and the theory of the "ancients". its a great scifi show and they have put a lot of thought into it. its so convincing that i wouldnt be surprised if these "ancients" actually did exist. hell, they might even be your mysterious planet. but that planet would have to be moving extremely fast to be far enough away now that it isnt noticed and still show up by this 2012 date. because even if the gov. was hiding it. an amatuear astronomer would have noticed it by now otherwise. but then again i've also never believed in the idea of "predicting the future" by anyones means.

no matter what is said...or what isnt. its a very interesting subject and i encourage you to pursue it more. just remember to keep a level head as you do so. good luck on your findings.

*Throws the Earth at Zen* --Hint, a globe cardboard, representation of Earth--

^_^

*runs away, after snapping a kodak as the globe explodes on Zen's noggin'*

oh "gods " we're all go'na DIE AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

That seems a little...overzealous. There's no real evidence to support any of that, other than a few stories created by primitive cultures. Space is too vast and complicated for human beings to comprehend. I doubt that we will ever fully understand the Universe in the time that our species will exist.

thats the thing though, we need to realise that maybe these primitive culures were actually more advanced that we are even today. the thing that always makes my mind boggle is the fact that they had huge megalith stones used in temples but to this day, we still dont have a crane large and powerful enough to move stones of that size, yet they did and moved them into place with prisision ^_^;

Evidence aside from argument from ignorance, please?

All the science in this journal makes my head spin...

Interesting theory...

... another thing you could add to the list are Egyptian pyramids. Somehow, 1 man is suppose to move a huge block of stone... I just think we do not look at the obvious anymore, so we consider things to be difficult when the answers are very simple. ^^;

Obviously, this is theory... and I believe there is a little truth in everything. ;D

Okaaay lol

Though I do find it interesting.

There is always Apophis in 2029 to take us out of existence. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99942_Apophis

Oh there us this history channel thing on Mayan Doomsday:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?d.....20249702121896

wow, very interesting watch ^_^ thanks for the link.

You do make an interesting point and I agree on your thoughts

Anything that's going to be here within the next 5 years or so and not traveling at an incredible speed (even for a planetoid or such) should be within the orbits of our known planets by now. Perhaps it's one of those specks out there waiting for someone to actually notice and question..."that wasn't there before."

Very fascinating stuff.

"Truth" is not necessarily something that is popularly accepted or something that agrees with what you already believe.
;)

*finaly reads everything on this page* XD wow.. that was fun ^.^ and in my best opinion our greatest concerns should fall a little.. closer to home... as humans we should look for what we can do here and now to ensure that, later. for instance.. what does it matter if the world is destroyed in 2012 or 7012 if people are gonna destroy themselves from war, destroy the environment via pollution, or Bush builds up enuff curiosity to press the big red button that reads "don't push" in the oval office ^.^? like I said we should aim to ensure that noting within our doing can destroy us before we look and say "ok.. we finished down here, now what do we do about whats out there?" so even IF ((big big big if)) this planet was circling around to destroy us... how long would we had lived as a race if it had not?

all in all its gona be an interesting next 25 years and I'm clad I live in Canada cause if the temp keeps rising I'm gona move up north and sit in the snow and permafrost XD

I think I'll stick to my 'humans are stupid' theory adn take it as it comes.

Wow! Seems like your interest in all of this sparked the interest of many others! I unfortunately have nothing to contribute except that I enjoyed reading all of these passages! =D

I find it remarkable reassuring that this prediction is foretold in the Bible Code. More appropriate to the Code, it also provides two outcomes. One, either God saves us, or he lets us die. I know where my bet is going to lie, but afterwards I won't be able to collect.

Ironically, the Bible Code works within the scientific constraints of Quantum Physics.

Either way, I'm looking forward to the last AC ever: AC2012. See you all there!

I've always felt that whenever someone predicted the end of the world; they were right. I mean, most the famous apocalyptic predictions come from hundreds or thousands of years ago, and their world is pretty well over at this point. And it seems pretty safe to say that the Mayans wouldn't recognize much of our current society. :P

Now this is one hell of a thread.

I don't know all the details, because I have not looked it up in a very long time.

There are past cultures in China, South (Inca, Mayan) and North America (Mississippi Indians), Africa (Egypt), and Europe (Several mounds, and I think Stone Hinge, but don't hold me to that.) that have all built monuments that are pyramids or mounds. No big deal right, well here is the strange part. They all are aligned the same way, focus on similar if not the same stars in the sky, and their calendars all end around the same time.

The Aborigines of Australia also believe that around the same time frame this "dream time" will end and a new one begin.

I did a paper on it about ten years ago, and it spooked me a little then. My teacher basically patted me on the head for doing a good amount of research, but not really stating a conclusion such as trans ocean communication and trade.

Whatever is going to happen, even if its nothing, should be interesting to watch as people begin to fear it. Anyone remember the Y2K scam?

I just want to add that this is very well educated and open minded group of people. It is refreshing to see this kind of discussion on such a depth. Not many threads end up in astrophysics and time and space problems. If anyone brings up the tesseract (SP?) idea/theory (since time and space are manipulatable you should be able to "fold" them and move anywhere in the galaxy instantaneously) let me know.

Keep it up guys!

all this since comments except talking about the mayans and Incas and natives makes me shivor (its from being in the pool and going inside without a shirt. I'll put one on right now. and some comments on here make me scared alittle so I better get out here =P).

Never be scared of an idea my friend! Never! There are two ways to improve yourself, through knowledge and through work.

The more knowledge that we have the more powerful we become. If two men exchange an apple they still have one apple each in the end. If two men exchange ideas then they both now have two ideas.

Whether these things are right, wrong, or totally crazy they give us more ways to look at ourselves and the world.

If this happens, we can not control it anymore than we can influence if the sun comes up. Enjoy the debate, put it in the back of your mind in the proper place, and use or not use it later.

thanks, thats what I do too =)

yea, I also tell myself that that is/isn't true like the Y2k scam. I mean what would happen in 2012, possobly nothing except the people(or aliens which I don't think made those crop circles) telling us that if we make more Zelda relate crop circles, a portal to Hirule will be open (yes, I am a Zelda fan =P) http://www.spsu.edu/htc/hughes/tcom.....Images/ltc.jpg
This is a relly intresting and fun artical to read http://www.angelfire.com/games2/thezfiles/010.html

"The Mayan Factor" by Jose Arguelles
the six book series by Zecharia Sitchin (as Zen Mentioned) called "The Earth Chronicles"
The first being titled: "The Twelth Planet"

acording to the mayans, december 23th 2012 (some people say 13 or 21, maybe they are right, i don``t remember exactly) is not exactly the end of the world, it`s the begining of a new era without the apocaliptyc idea. The only truth is, i remember meteorite Swifturtle will come in that date, maybe crash with Earth, maybe not, i just know maybe we can see this.

I've always hated the fact that we could get a closer Look at a lot of planets and such things if we really tired, I mean we can't REACH the speed of light, but we know how to get up to speeds (that aren't super close) but pretty darn fast, like pulse, or Rather atomic. If they had just gone through with it, we'd be seeing stuff we couldn't have dreamed of knowing about now, boot strap those probes, and what ever else and shoot them out there!

Oh well hopefully once we aren't ever centered completely on some war, we can throw budgets back to more useful things, like trying not to kill our selves.

IT's interesting stuff though, you can read for a life time and still not hit the tip of the ice berg.

Best reference I have read about is the information on chinnese calendar, mayan calendar and summerian studies;china being so old gives its people lots of credit for studies about the stars andthe relation between the phases of the mon and the way each phase affects the overall behavior of people, hence here why their astrology is accurate in describing people's traits and not people's daily horoscopes.
Mayans studied the relation between the starts/sun/moon vs the changes on their enviroment rather than the people, hence here how they could build pyramids in a way so exact that once a year its starway shadow shows a snake going down marking a specific date, also their math was way more precise.
Summerians, as Zen said above.

Here's a couple of brain teasers and universal rules:
1.- Every single rule in this universe has at leas an exception and/or an exact contradiction.
a-1: By the statementabove this rule will also have an exception or contradiction.
2.- There's no such thing as 'vacuum' or complete 'emptyness' even space is filled up with a black see-through matter, extremely light and with so little density that objects take a lot of time to loose their momentum; 'vacuum' word is wrongly used.
3.- Thinking of multiple universes or dimensions gets too complex unless you think on them as grains of sand; imagine our galaxy and other galaxies as a grain of sand on the beach, now imagine other grains of sand all around, and then more sand that goes in the water and grains of sand that go further away from it, as we move around the 'universe' where these grains of sand are differs so drastically we perceive it as another dimension; (grains in water and grains in dry land) but they are neverless inside the same universe itself.

If the earth ends on 2012... bummer, it was already depicted on anime a long time ago.
(Queen milenia tv series)
LT.

I wonder though about the transition from the house of Pices and into the house of Aquarias that is going to come (I can't figure out the year, more internet research is needed I suppose)*. Last time we had the shift, Jesus appeared and the fish ruled for a couple thousand years, and still are. I wonder what happens when the next shift comes.

*The precession of the equinoxes due to the slight wobble of the earth's axis changes the plane of the earth's ecliptic causing it to move slowly thorugh the twelve houses of the Zodiac. A passage through one hosue takes 2,160 years to complete. (A definition from one of the books I'm reading)

Interesting, though techniclly, its not a planet. A planet must have a oliptical orbit around a star in to count as a planet. In otherwords, if it was a planet, it wont ever come close to Earth.

Another problem i found is the sun's gravitational pole. The star may be big but unfortunately, it doesnt reach much further after the oort cloud (nearly 1 light year away). The cloud its self may have small particles of comets attached to it so that could be the reason why the oort cloud is effected, but since the distance, it is also effected by other stars as well. So a planet far beyond the oort cloud wouldnt be affected by the sun's gravitational pole to the extent that it would orbit around it.

Mythologically speaking, the planet could be God bringing armageddon and destroy those who lived terrible lives. (YehWeh (Christian God) did destroy the world with a flood because they were selfish. They hated and lusted after another.)(Not that lust is a bad thing, but when you let it take over your life, it could become a problem)(And that is what most catholics mix up when they think of sodom and ghomorah, LUST and LOVE are two DIFFERENT things). The God of Abraham and Issac? maybe. The God of nero or constantine? could or couldnt. We may not know. One thing i know for sure is that time takes us all.

If you want to learn more about the first great civilization look up "Khemit". They are the people that the Egyptians built their society upon. They ruled egypt back when it was tropical. You can find out about their technologies if you check out "Giza Powerplant".

Could you send me info on this I'm really curious about this!

Now THAT'S funny.

I heard from a dear friend of mine that there are supposed to be major things happening in 2014 and 2016. Plagues I believe. And something else happening beginning in the year 2038.