you know...you have to find the real ending of the game now right?

oh its a side quest btw!

Oh, I got it. Saw the credits and everything (Automatic pistol makes duels one-sided :P

excelent! you are now an official gunslinger! *gives cookie*

Like duels weren't one sides already?

I used the Mauser myself..

the only problem I had with it was spamming the attack button before they opened fire.. :P

And yah, the ending did feel kinda rushed.. but still an exelent game.

Here's a bit of a tip for ya, though. Reload your last saved game and just never play the last mission. Problem solved.

Wait, there's yet another ending? How do you get it?

I was just saying if you don't like the character you play as after you beat the game, never beat the game.. that's all.. easy fix.. :)

I know! He's not even CLOSE to being as badass as John.

Yeah, I hated that "twist". For a game that preaches "open world" gameplay and has a clear moral system, it really doesn't mean anything when the main character just gets offed in the end. I figured that all that fame/honor BS would affect the ending in some way, but I was sadly disappointed.

And yeah, Jack is definitely a shitty replacement. Here we build quite an empathetic relationship with Marsten for 30+ hours of gameplay just to have him die and get replaced by his obnoxious son who has no real character at all... So, yeah, I understand your frustration.

Yeah, I hated that "twist". For a game that preaches "open world" gameplay and has a clear moral system, it really doesn't mean anything when the main character just gets offed in the end. I figured that all that fame/honor BS would affect the ending in some way, but I was sadly disappointed.

And yeah, Jack is definitely a shitty replacement. Here we build quite an empathetic relationship with Marsten for 30+ hours of gameplay just to have him die and get replaced by his obnoxious son who has no real character at all... So, yeah, I understand your frustration.

And that my friend made the death more of an emotional impact.

Would you they rather just ended the game?

Actually the emotion I was feeling was anger and frustration at the bullshit ending.

I did not want to continue playing RDR as some nameless faceless kid. And once again, I felt mislead and disappointed because I was expecting an open world game to not follow such a linear storyline, and perhaps have multiple endings depending on the players actions.

So basically for me, the game ended completely the moment Jack replaced John, so yeah I would've preferred a straight up fade to black ending rather than play as the little prick son.

Um.. as they say Whut?

It was a sandbox game like almost any other sandbox game. While you could go and do what you want, but the main storyline was linear.

How is that different from any other sandbox game out there?

I don't know if this is true or not but I'm really getting the impression that the ending pissed you off so badly you're just complaining about everything in what was a great game.?

Fallout 3, Knights of the Old Republic, Mass Effect 1 and 2, and even Grand Theft Auto 4 all are considered sandbox games with a linear story that have at least some variation to the ending in which your actions determine the outcome (including who lives and who dies). Hell, even some strictly linear games have multiple endings based on your actions! Resident evil, Silent Hill, Dark Forces 2: Jedi knight, Fable, and lets not forget Chrono Trigger/Chrono Cross with dozens of different endings! Even the shit-tacular Far Cry 2 had 2 different endings based on player choices!

And yes, I am judging an otherwise great game on a terrible ending because endings are an important part of a game, story, movie...anything! Movies and Books can get away with linear endings because there is no "player involvement" (unless it's a choose your own adventure book). In video games this formula changes, especially when playing a game that gives the player free will and moral decisions. The ending in this game felt like being cock-slapped with a heaping dose of predestination, when for 20+ hours we are given an illusion of free will. What made it even worse is that, as the player, Marsten faces many more difficult challenges than what he deals with in the final chapter. I've killed cougars and bears with knives, blown up entire gang hide-outs and was semi-responsible for the Mexican Revolution, but oh NO a dozen people come to my farm and shoot me dead. Yeah, "in-game" Marsten would've kicked the shit out of those guys.

I still like RDR, but I assumed (like I've said in every other comment) that having a fame/honor/morality system meant that ultimately the decisions you make have some kind of consequences other than store discounts.

I've said what I've wanted to say (several times already) and I don't care if you agree with me or not. Since you like the ending and I hate it, there's no point in discussing this further.

Never played it, but it looks pretty nice

i loved the ending and story, classic tragic western

My thoughts exactly, Slate.
The second I heard him scream 'WORK, YA DAMN NAG', I knew that he'd never even come close to replacing John. =/

I know rockstar has a tendency to have depressing endings, but... damn. i was thinking it'd be something like the last level someone robs your house and kills your family or something, but then, bam! Fail.

and the last part of the last "mission" i was wondering why i had to go out the front door... just go around back, use the corner of the barn as cover, and hit them one by one around the corner...

Because he knew that no matter how many he killed they'd be coming after his family. Because he was a loose end to be tied up.

Remember "the yellow bastard" from Sin City? (If you don't or haven't read it yet, don't read further.. and/or sorry for the spoiler.)

Same idea. he knew that the only way to protect the people he loved was for his own life to end and he accepted that and acted on it.

To me that made for a very very powerful and frankly depressing ending.

I didn't mind the story too much.. it's strong and emotional, with john finally getting his redemption, (it works well if you do the "i know you" side mission) it's was the pretty close to the ending I was expecting,

BUT!...

What really got me was the total "Lack" of use money has, I spent the better part of the game playing poker, doing bounty hunter missions, etc.. till I had quite a few thousand dollars.. only to find that there's NOTHING to spend it on...

Time to try Just cause 2...

And this differs from most other rockstar games how?

touché.. hehe
But I would have liked to have been able to at least buy and customize John/jack clothes.. (other than the few clothing sets).. or their horse bridle, etc..

it's the little things you know..

Yes, I actually agree with you there.

Its like I got GTA4 and Saints row 2 at the game time.

I barely touched GTA4 and I love SR2 because of the customization.

As a matter of fact I've caught myself going "Who is that dude int he loading screen? Oh wait, it's THEIR generic hero.. :)

I was the same, I brought GTA4 and took it back within three days, it just didn't interest me at all.. However I thought GTA4 "TBOGT" had a fantastic storyline..

And on the subject of SR2.. I found it to be a great game, but the ending was very disapointing.. but maybe that was just me.. *shrugs*

haven't beaten it yet so I can't tell you.

There's also some DLC that supposedly finishes the story to deal with.

WORK YA DAMN NAG!

The trick is to do reload a save where John is still alive, then do ABSOLUTLY EVERYTHING except for that which you need Jack for 100% completion. Now you only need to see him for 2 hours.

Yahtzee's review of it was epic.