They used to be cute, cheap ($1 - $3), and well-designed.



They are now cute, expensive ($10 - $20 I AM NOT JOKING), and have horrible designs.

T.T

Not yours... but in general. ;P

I still feel like their is two sides to this coin, but I doubt anyone here will really see that for the most part...at least here, and with the exception of you and myself.

Me and Tiki tried hard to make our adoptables fair and somethings special, but thanks to all this drama, I fear we might not be able to sell them, thus meaning I might not be able to commission  Eelyak

Further proof that when you shoot off at the mouth without really thinking about what all your saying, you might end up harming innocents who really didn't deserve to be shot.

Unless I comment negatively directly on your adoptables, or make comments that are directed at your adoptables, they are not correlated and your adoptables are safe.

Not talking directly to you, but in general myself, I just feel that some folks are just complaining to complain about something, not cause there is actually a good reason too. Really I tend to stand on the middle of the fence about most things till I can see both sides of things, then make my judgement, and I just with others were as mature and intelligent as I am trying to be.

I usually stay neutral as well, but seeing adoptables at those prices make me see red...

Same here, like I said there is always two sides to the coin, and sometimes even more, but in this case its either this:


Price right, and well made

Over Priced, and not all that well done...or just plain shitty.

I just hope that me and Tiki is the first and not the later.

I can't weigh in on this at all because I am entranced by your icon and thus all of my opinions quelled.

Thanks, but yeah, do you mind if I ask you a few questions about the adoptables thing, mainly if you see any way they can be done more fairly?

Frankly, of the adoptables that I've seen out there, all I can say is it's got to be treated like a full commission. You give examples of the race you created to show plenty of variants and then see who's willing to commission one...maybe you provide a backstory for them--not sure how well that goes over. The key here is that they are "adoptable" When you adopt something, you take it from its owner and make it yours and love it and cherish it and make it a part of your family, not unlike adopting a pet. That is NOT what is going on with adoptables as I see it. What you're pitching with an adoptable is an idea, so pitch the concept without the art so the customer can feel that they are part of the creative process, allow them to invest some of their own ideas into the character so they can make it their own.

That's why I challenge people to come up with a viable business plan that doesn't look like you're selling crap to your consumers.

Here's why I say it's crap:

I drew the same picture and copy+paste 5 more times then color them differently. Or say I draw doodles in SAI with no intention to do anything other than doodle then say "hey, if you want this piece of art I just happen to have laying around, I'll sell it to you."

It's the same way I don't understand how people will commission Chalosan to draw pictures of his own character. WTF??? I was going to do it anyway and now you're going to pay me? Sure, why the hell not? It makes no sense why I or anyone else should pay for something that was not meant for them, but for anyone!

This goes for Iron Artist challenges too. That isn't a commission, that's just an excuse to get paid for a sketch or whatever.

I don't believe in selling anything less than what the commissioner wants to see and I don't sell anything less than a finished piece of art.

That's what I've been saying all along.

Rather:

Artist: I can draw this stupid template and dress it up in all kinds of tacky and ridiculous patterns and designs, that I, personally, as an artist, would HATE for someone to commission me with of a character of theirs. Then I can sell it for $20. I can do a whole lot of these in 5 minutes, especially if I just wipe my ass. Easy money! What? Commissions? The ones that were paid for already? Some of them 3 months ago? Well they can keep waiting, after all, I need money NOW and I'm lazy.

Dumb furry: Hey that thing is so tacky and ridiculous, I want it! *buys* *Throws in a dark corner and forgets about*

*or*

Dumb furry 2: Hey I don't have a creative bone in my body, and I want to contribute to this stagnant pool of a community which is flooded full of renamons, pikachu's, and wolves and foxes by buying someone else's idea and then calling it mine! But, well, I think I'd like to maybe, change his name? Or well, maybe I want a slightly different pattern here. Its fair right? I did pay for it, right? No? well..that's not very cool...Oh well, here's your $20! I guess I will just have to live with it.

My main complaint is they all look alike except for coloring.

I can see the artist selling say character designs, or to design a character for someone.
But just making one pose and then making 10 copies in different colors and tails and ears is so un-inspired it's painful to see people pay for this.

Especially when i never see the character again other than one pic they bought, or made after.

I personally feel that if they are done by a few rules, they are not only fair, but can be a bit of fun to buy.

1. Cheap! I say this cause at its core, adoptables should be mostly done to raise funds quickly for the artist in question. Think of it in the idea of a donation gift of sorts, which the person making the donation can use to their wants.

2. Back up what you made. I recently partnered up with a friend to do some adopatables of a species I made myself. I have personally added information about the species, but also offered to give additional information or answer any questions about the species that the buyer might have. I

3. Cheap add ons! There should always be a less expensive (then the artist's normal prices) for the character to come with a full ref sheet. Small alterations should be rather cheap, while more complex ones should cost 1-3 bucks more depending on the level of alterations being made.

4. Limited numbers. At the most I hope to only do 2 sets of each of my 3 species that we are currently working on, making them a bit of a collectors item really. I wanted to do this for 2 reasons. First to help others to learn of my species and become interested in making one of their own. Secondly, to make the ones we do sell now, somewhat more special, as they are the only ones to be made and sold in this manner, thus making them rather rare.

I know that some people out there can use the adoptables thing and abuse the hell out of it, but I feel that if the rules above are followed, they can be rather fun, and fair to all.

I learn not to give a crap, if someone wants to buy it, then whatever

Blame GaiaOnline.com for this crap. It's a cesspool for the stupid things. Also, making minor alterations to a single image and selling them off seems to make some "artists" feel like they're good... Which is then reinforced by the idiots stupid enough to pay for the shit.

And another thing, you don't "Adopt" an image. You can't pet it, play with it, bond with it, so what the hell? If the idiots wanna adopt something then they need to get their lazy asses to a breeder and get a damned dog/cat/ferret/ect.

In all reality, making a blank one, a "color your own" and selling "rights" to use the base would make a metric fuck-load more sense...