More CleanFurs nonsense?

Looks like it, even though the admin doing this claims to have "stumbled on" it, the wholesale removal of anything "rubber" from my account says otherwise.

Odd thing about fursuits, then... (previous comment hidden due to it being early and lack of coffee)

I'm going to be frank. You're causing drama now, and you should know better. The admin in question who handled this issue hasn't even been an admin for a week, and has no pre-conceptions or notions regarding you or anything else. Just the site rules.

i think the rules should be worded a little bit better and be more visible for the users.
the rules should specifically say that things like fetish related photography and genetalia of any kid are not permitted. and as i remember a previous version of the AUP actually did say that...

We are working on that, actually.

that is good to know^^ im kinda getting tired of people who are either to stubborn to read the rules or simply dont get that this kind of photography isnt allowed here... if they want their fetish gear to be seen they should just go to xtube, thats what its there for^^

wait so I can't post pictures of my fursuit simply cause it's made of rubber? what about all the people who fuck in their suit and have photos of it on FA that's fetish related!! This sound like discrimination to me.

That's fucked up.

its not discrimination if a picture was deleted because it is against the rules >_>
and besides, its not like the admons dont want your photos, they simply weed out what they deem inapropriat for the site! if a photo like that gets removed you simply have to live with it.

I think all the non fur folsk will be leaving FA if the rules explicitly state what materials a costume can be made of

So this mean thier ban any fursuit with rubber on it?? how abought rubber paw pads?? cuz some one might get off on that...

It is discrimination. all of my photos are 100% clean I even wear shorts with my latex suit! Like I said what about all the furs we KNOW fuck in their suits yet we let them post pictures of those suits on FA because they are made of fur not rubber. how are they any different? In my opinoin a "Murrsuit" is no different then a rubber suit cause both are used for fetish purposes.

personally i dont have anything against suits like that as long as they are not presented in a fetishy way. there really is no difference in my opinion, fake fur and rubber are both plastic XD

Then why was my non-fetishy presentation taken down? Answer me that?

Then why was my non-fetishy presentation taken down? Answer me that?

Yep, that's basically the case.

Folks like you and I are not going to leave the fandom, but FA may run us off this site.

So, basically, you are working on wording a policy that could very well exclude any anthro costume photo made out of any material other than fur? Or is it going to be a more even handed policy that takes into account creative freedom to use alternative materials?

I do not understand the tagging system. What is the point of it if you tag something as mature or adult, and people still have a problem with it? Why can't people just not look at mature content?

I am not making drama I am just standing up for who I am, and what I represent. There is a difference between creating drama, and resisting oppressive actions.

Telling me I am creating drama is like telling a black person to get out of the white people's restroom.

I am a furry, I just express it differently.

Whatever. I'm just tired of being kicked around by people who like to shoot first and hurl insults later.

I am a furrry, yet I am made to feel completely unwelcome in the fandom simply because of my form of expressing it.

I have been advocating for a LONG time that there be a constructive creative, and social outlet within the furry fandom for folks like me, yet I meet resistance at every turn.

you cant really expect a lot of support if you run around like this though: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3465635/
not cool!

And WHY on earth has this picture NOT been yanked

This just validates my complaint about the double standard.

I am OBVIOUSLY being singled out if this is still around after ALL of this time, yet I can't keep more appropriate stuff up.

There is no need to dig shit up from the past. You sir are a troll and need to go back outside and play in the sand box.

Thank You

no, i wont back up from this. this is NOT the place for photos like this, get that in your head and read the friggin rules! XP

I have read the ever changing rules of FA! They can be twisted and interpreted in many many ways.

Also.. Get off your soap box. YOU do not choose what can be uploaded to the internet. BUT... YOU do have the choice to not click on things that offend thin skinned people like yourself.
Enjoy your day of yelling at the internet.

yeah i know, the current version of the rules sucks, i give you that much.
and of course i dont get to choose what can be uploaded. but its my right to tell people that something is against the rules.
why do you get so worked up about this? its my time that im wasting :P

I'm not worked up at all. Just enjoying my day

This lollazer guy is a real card... So special... which is why the fandom is what it is, I guess. lol

what do you mean with nonsense? this is an art site, if you want to upload fetish pictures then go to xtube!

Xtube is not a fetish site. It is a porn site.

and there are fetishes in porn. so it would be just fine there.

You really do not know what the difference between porn and fetish is, and you obviously do not understand that furry and fetish can never be separated, and will never be separated.

Until sites like this fix their shit, or find a way to creatively address furry fetish, this problem will never go away.

And banning fetish from furry is a VERY slippery slope.

Especially on a "popufur site"

furry and fetishes can be seperated very easily.
its simply a hobby, being a fan of anthropomorphic characters. it doesnt have to be sexual in any way! its not a lifestyle...
and this site does adress fetishes. just not as photography!

Care to tell me why there's an adult bondage, and adult fursuit category for submissions. everyone has their own views and interests on this site and in this fandom. Your view is no more correct than anyone else's.

im am honestly rather puzzled myself why these categories exist even though the AUP clearly say that mature photos are not allowed...
and people can have all the different opinions they want, that doesnt change the fact that fetish related photos are now allowed.

Xtube is also not a furry site. It lacks any furry social networking focus.

doesnt change the fact that mature photography isnt allowed here.

If it is not allowed here, then you should not be able to tag photography as mature.

FIX the TAGGING system.

that is actually a VERY good point^^ i dont get why photos can be marked as mature in the first palce...

But looking at Simba fucking Nala, from a Disney children's movie is completely okay?? Give me a break and blow it out of your ---hole. :3

i dont say that it is ok, it simply complies with the sites rules :P
oh and way to go to insult me right away, makes your argument that much better ;D

Your Welcome. So you know though, I honestly don't give a rats ass whether I insulted you right away, or whether it was on-going. MAKES NO DIFFERENCE SMART GUY.

sorry, but people like you are simply not worth my attention.

that's good to know. I hope that makes you feel better. :)

so? they removed photos that were against the rules, whats the problem?

Comments like this are /not/ needed.

That's why I decided over an hour ago to delete it.

you didnt delete it, its just hidden. admins can still read it.
and besides, you said what you said. its not like you can just remove an insult in real life >_>
and really now, what is wrong about pointing out the rules?

Lol wow, the point of the matter is I rectified myself my "hiding" what I said mere seconds after I posted it, concerning your infatuation with making sure everyone abides by the law of furaffinity. which for whatever reason, seems to be your main purpose here. Then you come back throwing sand with a reply like that after I stepped back.

I just question why you constantly expose yourself to material like this when clearly it bothers you. I personally don't like or condone babyfur type things so I choose not to look at it instead of finding reason to cause drama in said postings for no reason.

I have nothing against you, I don't know who you are or what you do. I just simply do not understand where you are coming from.

i am from germany :3 oh wait, thats not what you meant...

jokes aside, you cant hide what you say in a real life conversation. you insulted me, the damage is done.

also, i dont "expose myself" to stuff like this because i want to. i come to the main site and there is the thumbnail of a fetishy photo, clearly for everyone to see. by that point i have already been exposed to it, i simply dont have a choice not to look at it! and in that case i might as well tell them that its not allowed here.
i dont want to be some sort of wanna-be admin, i am simply sick and tired of repulsive photos that show stuff like people in leather gear or fursuits with a freaking zipper on the crotch! XP i DONT want to see crap like that! not even as a small thumbnail.
i dont want to know what other people are into and what happens in their bedrooms! its simply inappropriate to show off stuff like that on an art site. this is NOT xtube!

You're being overly sensitive, can you even recall what it was I said?

Seriously though, if you're so enraged by a thumbnail... a thumbnail of an image you don't like and are are so compelled to click on it and rant on the posting you're just causing yourself unnecessary anger/anxiety. If for whatever reason I'm on the homepage refreshing it for over an hour and see something I don't like I can tell you right now the first thought in my head isn't to click on it to see whatever it is in full size.

i dont remember what you said exactly but this wasnt the first time you called me out like that.

i simply like to voice my opinion.

i also dont get why we are having this discussion. what gets YOU so worked up about me telling people that something they posted is clearly against the rules?
the admins are slow right now, nothing gets removed and no one looked at my trouble tickets for AGES. im simply trying to speed things up a little, thats also part of being a user. being part of a community means to take on some duties yourself and help out!

You don't know what I said, how can you keep claiming I "insulted" you? You are making claims with no backing.

Also, you're back peddling now and trying to change the subject from what we were originally talking about which leads me to believe you don't even have a goal or know what you're arguing for. What you're accusing me of "calling you out" is exactly what you are doing to people who post things you personally don't like. I'm sure you don't go around saying the same things to people who break the rules to submit things that interest yourself.

i remember the general gist of it, thats good enough for me.
also, i dont call people out. i remind them about the rules. you on the other hand simply accuse me for being an ass who runs around calling people out for shit that i dont like! believe me, if i did that id be posting nonstop!

oh and no, i do point it out to people who post stuff that i do like but which is against the rules. example: https://www.furaffinity.net/view/60...../#cid:44340860

Lol okay. Getting the general "gist" of something is the same as knowing what was said verbatim, gotcha.

I'm simply reminding you that you dont see the other side of the fence and have no authority over anything on this website. If you call that being an ass then I guess you're more similar to me than your self image likes to think.

Why do you care so much about enforcing rules that aren't yours and that you have nothing to do with. Your concept of the fandom is so extremely skewed its funny. More so probably because you've never been to a con or even consider yourself a furry.

i care about the rules because i like the community. rules are important, they keep a community together. im also not enforcing them, im making people aware that they are there.
and there really is no other side of the fence here. your submission is either against the rules or its not, its that easy.

Let the admin say what's against the rules or not, their site, let them handle it. Your personal interpretation on them have no substance. It's not constructive for you to tell someone on their post whether or not its allowed, that isn't your place.

Do you stand outside and yell at cars that are speeding, or let the Police handle it?

what you simply dont get is that im not trying to enfore anything.
i simply remind people about the rules! i dont try to boost my ego and i definitely dont try to be an admin wannabe.

People don't want to hear that from you is the point. Just like the metaphor I used earlier, let the people who are responsible for that type of thing deal with it. No one wants, or likes to see someone posting on their submissions about how they think its against the rules.

If it doesn't concern you move on, no one likes a "tattle tail" for a lack of a better word.

people dont like to hear a lot of things^^
what just annoys me about this is the sheer number of people who are just way too stubborn or stupid to admit that they are wrong and that they are not allowed to upload that particular image.

oh and by the way, what about the trouble ticket system? isnt that the same as saying someone that they are not allowed to upload something? if you submit a TT you are moderating the site as well. and honestly, i like to talk to someone before i report him or her.

It's most likely not any of the issues you mentioned but rather they don't know or think it breaks any rules. And for the most part, it doesn't matter because it doesn't offend anyone or no one simply cares, so in that case what's the issue aside from being a whistle blower just for the sake of raising a red flag?

And no, submitting a ticket is letting the proper people deal with a situation that they are responsible for. And letting them judge whether or not it states anything, not some person who has no say one way or another.

if they dont know it then they didnt read the rules and thats not my problem!
i will continue to tell people that their submissions are not allowed here. i simply dont care what you think about it. i believe its the right thing to do, its my way of showing how much i care for this community. the end.

Yet you make it your problem when you post on their submissions and whine that you think it's against how you perceive the rules when in actuality you have no idea what is or isn't acceptable as you have no say on the end result.

I really don't understand why you take the rules on this website with such zeal that it's akin to the bible for Christians or something. And further, why you continually persist to "simply tell people about the rules" when they and everyone else really couldn't care less. Does anyone really support you in your quest for 'enforcing' the rules? If not, you should probably ask yourself whether or not you're really helping the community as you seem to be making much more of a negative impact than a positive one.

On top of that you claim you're not even a furry, that begs the question on why it matters so much to you in the first place. I think this is the only outlet you have where you feel as if you have a sense of purpose or reason.

what the ass are you talking about? the rules are pretty clear most of the time.
i think you are interpreting to much into this O_o i dont do it to feel good about myself or anything like that. it just bothers me... maybe its because im german, i mean my people practically invented and perfected bureaucracy and having a ton of useless rules XD

Tell me what don't you understand, I'll simplify it for you. Concentrate more on the first two paragraphs rather than the last.

The Germans did a lot of things.

oh i understand you very well.
but what is "the germans did a lot of things supposed to mean"?

Wow just reading up to this point, you sound like an incredibly childish prat with a superiority complex. Honestly ... why do you give a fuck. Do you feel better policing fa from your computer at home, it's cute you think you are making the site a better place for us all. When you grow up and accept this is just a website, come back then join the rational human beings, kthxbai.

its not a compley, i AM superior
alse check the new AUP. its finally banned! =D

wow.... you really are a shithead... You need to get a life dude or some help from a professional.

http://www.teecraze.com/images/shar.....ot/sarcasm.jpg

also, this is now a non-issue. this stuff has been banned.

Then why do you still stalk this thread!!! Please leave and find someone else who is breaking the rules of FA!

Have a superfun day!

http://www.mediabistro.com/galleyca.....418_SMPrev.jpg

You have a choice to turn off the mature or adult filters.


If you do not want to see it, then stop looking at mature content!


PERIOD.

i wont turn on the filters simply so that you can post pictures that are against the sites rules.

Xtube is NOT a furry site
Xtube is NOT a fetish site

if its not a fetish site then why are there videos and photos of people fucking in leather and rubber? or videos containing piss and other fetishes?

and why does it have to be a furry site? i mean, xtube allows fetishes AND creating your own groups. if you want to have a cumminty for this kind of photography then go make your own group there. or your own website! but stop being such a huge manchild and accept the rules! XP

And there are pictures and videos of people fucking in fursuit, so how is fursuit not fetish either?

The fact is, when a site like this becomes so big that you pretty much need it to be contacted or found in furry, it becomes important. When was the last time you went to a furmeet and didn;t hear someone talking about FA,or asking someone if htey have an FA, or "just message me on FA" or "find me on FA" "Follow me on FA" . Like it or not this site has become more than an art site. It's become a virtual hub for hte fandom. It's usefulness for social networking has almost overshadowed other aspects of it.

People actually transact commercial business via FA.

fursuits arent a fetish. some people just like to dress up as their chatacter!

oh and by the way, im actually not a furry. im just an open minded guy who liked cute art :3

and you are right about FA being so important for the fandom. but that doesnt mean that people have the right to upload whatever they please. it IS more than an art site but that doesnt mean its a fetishy porn site.

You seem very upset about all this... Do you find the pictures of Smash as erotic as I do? I think your excitement and wanting of his pictures taken down right away points to you having a secret desire to rubber up and do bad things... Just my opinion.

Got some awesome fetish shops in Germany. I get all my rubber from there!

now you are just being silly...
the furry fandom prides itself to be kid friendly. but then there are people with there junk almost falling out of the suit and they complain about their photos being removed from FA >_>

But the junk is not out... It's hidden under spandex, fur, rubber, leather... I see more junk almost hanging out at the beach or pool then on here. Legally he is clothed!

Listen... People take pride in what they design and wear. It makes us who we are. It is an image of what we wish we could be. It makes us happy. Sadly people like you ruin the happiness we try to have in this blink of an eye we call life.

I hope you are proud of yourself.

i dont care. its against the rules and i point that out. i didnt even yell at anyone... i simply pointed it out!

I just had two of my submissions removed as well.

just two?

I just looked at Ethan's profile and I don't see any picture up there at this moment that isn't furry related. I don't know what 2 photos were deleted but all of them there right now should be allowed. They are very current and furry related. If the rules disallow what is there now, then they should be allowed. I am not into leather at all, but this should not violate any rules.

You need to read some of this gold man lol

saw yer tweet, finally found yer FA...yeah your pictures ive seen worse on here this is rediculous

yer sexy, post MOAR



btw if yuh dont know who i am (pfchangs at FC WOOO)

Hmmm...that might be a problem for  stego-s-aurus then. His account is dedicated to posting his finished anthro gasmasks (from our site that we sell). Should this be cause for concern that Stego's account might get deleted?

Kat

 stegosaurus I mean.

I think not. There is nothing explicit about them, and they are homemade. Additionally, most of them are displayed on busts, and not actually being worn.

Yeah. I might just have to give Stego a heads up as we sometimes can get permission from other FA users to post images of it in action. In addition, we have a friends on here who pose in our stuff all the time. Its always in good taste with no explicit naughty bits showing but cerberusnl 's info on policy would seem to go against thier images as well which means more purging of this kind of content is coming. Wont take cleanfurs long to find em.

My understanding is that as long as the pieces, models, and poses are applied in a tasteful way, it should be fine.

And when I say tasteful, I mean objectively tasteful. As in, something the average people wouldn't have an issue showing to a child. Seductive poses, revealing crotch bulges, excessive showing of "curvature" (specifically the ass and boobs, when applicable), and suggestive situations are things I would think would be grounds for removal.

So, airbrushing out bulges (or making the males tuck back for the duration of the photo) and curves on buttocks and breasts....got it.

I see plenty of fursuits on here in suggestive poses , skin tight, lots of curvature, why are they not a problem?

As I said in my other response, fur is concealing. Curves are dampened and made less dramatic. Additionally, it's almost impossible to see things like bulges, ass cracks, and even tits, through them.

Sometimes curves are the point.

Honestly, people submit artwork of curvy sexy creatures all the time. What is the difference between a curvy sketch, and a curvy suit? Curves are flattering, and I REFUSE to subscribe to the puritanical views that curves should be hidden. It's simply far too conservative, and hypocritical when all of the artwork that sells in fandom only does so because of how sexually revealing it is.

The difference between someone in a suit and a sketch is exactly that: one is a person and the other is fantasy.

This site does not support any explicit pictures of people whatsoever, for whatever reason. I'm sure it may have some legal implications, or it may just be the personal preference of the owner. Either way, the site's policy dictates all submission removal.

For example, this submission has grounds to be deleted, seeing as "bits" are clearly defined. This on the other hand doesn't have an issue like that, nor is it trying to be sexy.

Then why was it not deleted. PEople keep citing it as a reason I suck, but my stuff keeps getting ganked, and it never leaves FA?

Because the admins are not omnipotent, they do not see every submission that gets submitted to FA, and even TTs take a while to be processed. Additionally, not all admins treat all submissions the same, I could probably report that submission today, and depending on what admin answered it could either be removed or not.

Really, what stays and doesn't on the site is completely up to the administration's discretion. What I'm saying could be considered general guidelines, not an unbreakable rule. Mods may choose to either do more or less than the guidelines dictate.

You would be correct that FA admins cannot see everything. I dont think it is realistic to expect them to. However, my experiences with FA admin when I attempted to acknowledge this and flag an image which I found to be in violation, resulted in a previous issue between me and another admin getting rehashed and brought up. In essence, I was called on the carpet for taking their suggestion because I had a previous image that was brought into admin attention for the same issue. The issue of my submission was dealt with months ago but somehow this was relevant and I was deemed a hypocrite. Guess they thought that the similar nature of what I was calling attention to meant that I was my attempt to go with "well, if I cant post __this kind of content__, no one can." out of misdirected malice. If guilty-til-proven-innocent is the way they wanted to handle things, I decided that was that and dropped it. This paragraph here is the first time I have brought it up since those years ago.

The best thing I can say is that people who have costumes of a rubber or spandex persuasion and/or have a plumbing zipper need to keep it off FA. I do not agree with the WAY that enforcement is always handled but all one can do is go somewhere else. I will be relaying this info to Stego tonight in hopes that the few that could loosely fall under Cerberus' explanation are removed before Stego gets any sort of action against him

Don't you mean omniscient?

Stego should be concerned. My EL Wire jackal that HE made was removed from here.

I prety much am confinced FA hates anyone who makes their own costumes, out of a material other than fur.

Even spandex is removed because some thin it is only for "fetish"

Also DJ Neshamah was treated really poorly at FC because her kabuki lion won an award, and some fursiters were irate that her suit was not made of fur and didn;t belong.

Like I said, it's largely dependent on how it's presented. Suits on a mannequin or DTD are almost always OK (the exception being if it's sexually modified). When the suit is put onto a person, you have to realize that the suit itself is very revealing. While you may think that showing off every curve of your body is acceptable, at the same time it's almost akin to covering a nude figure in paint.

The way to get around this is to try and not use seductive poses, and censoring bits than can be construed as "mature". The reason more care has to be taken with rubber/spandex than fur is because the former is revealing, while the latter is concealing.

As for the reason there is a divide in the community between fur and rubber/spandex is because several people do not realize that their suits are revealing, or do and do nothing to rectify it. Frankly, people aren't comfortable being associated with someone who walks around in a costume that leave's nothing to the imagination. If the non-fur suiters would take some time to make sure their suits hide certain parts of the body, they fandom's opinion of them might change.

Regardless of the pose, even the ones made with a sensitive pose have been removed simply because it's spandex or rubber. I am more irked at this than anything else.

Your reference to sensitivity of poses and how revealing the y are is valid, but I am being targeted simply because of material used.

I can hide my suit all I want, but I am still told to GTFO simply because it's latex or spandex, or even leather. It's this kind of unilateral rejection that I am opposed to.

So you stand up and fight for what you believe and they suspend your account...

Such nice people here.

Standing up and fighting for what he believed in? Uuuuh. He was FLAMING and starting drama with the admins. That is grounds for suspension. He had it coming.

I'm sure racist comments and reuploading removed submissions without permission had nothing to do with it.

Your definition of racism is perplexing.

Smash,

I just read this entire thread and it is my guess that this is not necessarily an instance of singling you out, yet a strict enforcement of the rules. I know this sounds funny, but hear me out...

It has been pointed out numerous times that FA does not allow "Mature Photography." So, what would happen if you uploaded a photo and did not mark it as "mature?" This would then make the deletion of that image a judgement call and not a simple strict enforcement of the rules.

I will also go so far as to agree with you that the upload system should be modified to not allow a photograph to be marked "mature," but we would be entering into another problematic area. As  Dragoneer commented, "And when I say tasteful, I mean objectively tasteful. As in, something the average people wouldn't have an issue showing to a child." Well, what about all the drawings and illustrations of giant cum-spewing cocks and anthros fucking? I, too, have a difficult time understanding why a fully detailed drawing is okay, but a photograph showing no graphical human anatomy is not. Ultimately, this Dragoneer's site and it is his rules that we must abide by, but I too am stumped by the disparity.

Finally, to further question the argument of FA being an "art site," why are photographs of car parts permitted?!

good question... people more and more missuse FA as an imagedump like photobucket >_>
dragoneer said they are working on a new set of rules and how they will be enforced due to the merger with furocity, i hope things will be better than and we will see less photos and more actual art :T

Lollazer, what is considered "art?"

that has to be debated but if you upload a photo of car parts just to show them off that is most definitely not art :P thats just abusing the service to show off something.

XD I agree. So many photos of "HAY GUYS LOOKIT MY NES GAMES."

Since you took the time to quote me (note, I said the thing you quoted, not 'Neer), I'll respond.

"And when I say tasteful, I mean objectively tasteful. As in, something the average people wouldn't have an issue showing to a child."

This applies specifically to photography. This site doesn't not welcome what can be construed as pornographic pictures. For one, this is an art site, not a porn site*, and allowing these type of images has legal implications.

Regarding car parts, you're right, that's generally not allowed. Maybe you should report it?

*Since I know you'll argue that "if it's not a porn site, why is there so much porn", I'll say that all of the pornography that is allowed on this site is also art. Drawings are allowed, pictures are not.

Whups, misquote! Sorry about that, Xenke.


But since I have you on the phone...


Who do you consider to be "average" and how does one define "objectivity" towards something such as "good taste?" A large portion of the stuff that I see here on FA I wouldn't even consider showing to a child, but I thought that this was the whole purpose of marking submissions Mature. Theoretically, users whose registered age is under 18 should not be able to view Mature images.

I believe that there is a legal definition on what is construed as being "pornographic," but none of Smash's photographs fit those definitions. This fact further reinforces his argument that the removal of those images were not founded on fact but rather a somebody's personal judgement.

I'm not going to argue the point of "why there is so much porn on FA," -- I know the reasons why -- but I will question what I feel is a narrow definition of what you consider to be art. Apparently you consider a drawing of a pornographic image to be art, but a sculptural creation of wearable latex is not. Is this correct?

I don't know why you feel that it is up to me to report photos of car parts. I suppose in a way I just did, but only to reinforce my point that FA hosts a large amount of content that violates the AUP yet does nothing to enforce its policy -- unless a user such as myself gets a bug up his ass and feels fit to go narc on it. Smash has been a target of such users and is suffering as a result.


Anyway... While I don't necessarily agree with your opinions, I also don't expect to change them.

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Sorry about any grammatical errors, I gotta run and I can't proofread again before posting. Please try not to take offense in anything I've said as I'm not meaning them as a personal attack.

There's no tush thing as 'objectively tasteful'. Tastefulness depends on the presence of the object and the perceptions of the subject, making it entirely a subjectively based determination.

*such*

This is a site for furries. RL adult photos SHOULD be allowed so long as there is something furry related to go with it, like a fursuit shot with bits or even the furry rubber hoods and masks. Jovino is right about car parts or Star Trek or other non furry anime art clean or not. These are the photos that should NOT be allowed.

What is this "Clean Furs" group anyway? Sounds like a bunch of fucking trolls trying to impose their beliefs on everybody else and regulate the community and push censorship on anything they don't like. Dragonneer. You need to tell these trolls to shove it up their ass and allow the rubber material so long as it is furry shaped in some obvious way. When you're running a site that deals with hardcore porn in what most mundane folks would consider bestiality, I don't think its too much to ask to allow a valid part of the furry community to show off their rubber suits. Photography is art too.

This "Clean Furs" group had nothing to do with this.

Oh, you mean the time frame of the existence of CleanFurs and the time frame of Smash's account suspensions and content removal almost being completely parallel was only a coincidence?

I mean that I didn't know about this "Cleanfurs" group, until after I deleted some of his pictures.
Not to mention that a FA account under that name has been inactive for like 8 months.

CleanFurs was only recently and only semi-officially deactivated. And it didn't have to be that group. They have/had lots of followers. I was/am one of them.

Not all furries are over 18 and as it is this site is for ages 13 and up when people filter images. I personally am here for art, and if photos of people having sex/masturbating in fursuits were allowed I would not be here. People have every right to do what they want, and there are other sites available to post them on. If it's an issue about not having comment forums to go with the photos then I think people who want to post adult photos should get their own hosting, do their own programming and scripting. My point is that there is a time and a place for some expressions and just like I wouldn't yell "bomb!" in an airport I wouldn't post and re-post images that have already been taken down on a site that does not want them. Freedom of expression is a right but it also comes with the responsibility to use it properly and know where it is applicable. The freedom of speech mentioned in the constitution pertains to what a government can or cannot let you express, not what a private business or website can. For example, if my grandma doesn't want swearing in her house and I want to swear like a sailor then she has every right to tell me not to and/or remove me.

I think you have prematurely jumped on clean furs, they had nothing to do with this, and as far as I know aren't out to push any kind of censorship agenda when they can turn off adult and censor for themselves. But not all furries are people with a fetish for furries, some just like anthro animals.

What's causing drama is the way some users are targeted more than others.

I could probably point out DOZENS of users who post "fetish wear" on the site who have never once gotten a pic remove, simply because they're not high profile. Someone who is well-known in the community usually gets hit hardest with these policies, and usually to a ridiculous degree.

For that matter, if we're pulling "fetish wear," why don't we just ban all pictures of fursuits, even the clean ones? Face it, that's a fetish for lots of people too, even if way too many furries deny it relentlessly. It certainly has no practical usage; it's strictly recreational no matter how it's used, so it could be argued that it's marketed as a fetish item and not something that someone incidentally has a fetish for.

Whatever happened to the "no suggested poses, no bits showing" rule of thumb?

This is the reason many people have 2 accounts. One account for mainstream fur stuff and one account for hardcore edgy stuff so they don't care if they get banned or not. They'll just start a new account.

But, if you're caught ban evading, you're gone for good.

Considering the cub and beastality stuff that still lurk on the site, this was a bullcrap suspension and picture pull.

Yes, it's Dragoneer's site, but there's worse stuff, far worse.

He wasn't suspended for the pictures. He was suspended for flaming the admins and deliberately causing drama against them, as well as re-uploading pictures that they had previously removed for being inappropriate.

This is pretty ridiculous.......

I think many people are posting about three basic issues that are present here:

1. What violates the AUP
2. What definitions are clarified in the AUP
3. What we think the AUP should or should not contain

What violates the AUP and what people believe the AUP should or should not contain are completely separate issues that many people in this thread (and many others) are overlapping with each other. Clarity of definition might be helpful if there's any confusion over definition of terms. I would hope that we're able to discern most of this on our own, but that might not be a realistic expectation from 100% of respondents in this thread.

I don't think that images of sexually modified fursuits (i.e. crotch zippers) should be restricted as the don't depict sexual acts or sex organs, they merely allude to the possible use of the fursuit for those purposes, unless of course they actually show sexual organs. In that case, it's definitely outside the boundary of 'artwork' and is now direct real life sexual depiction. The site owners and admins to not agree with this, and as a result, photos that contain obvious imagery of sexually modified fursuits are against the AUP.

It's also refreshing to be able to post about this without concern (hopefully) that the page owner will censor it because of some apparent incapability to engage in effective, mature, and/or intelligent refutation.

I'm on Smash's side with some of this, but I'm also on Dragoneer's side with the rest of it.

WHITEKNIGHTS EVER'WHUR.

Can we have a list of these 'clean fur' trolls please? I'd like to protect my account by pre-emptively banning the f#ckers.

By the logic contained within that explanation, would that not mean that any picture of someone with a collar around their neck would have to be removed as well? They are sold as fetish gear as well as being commercial merchandise.

I think the images that were deleted for the AUP's criteria of 'sexually modified fursuits' although I did not see a definition of 'fursuit' in the AUP or a link to a definition anywhere else within the site's rules. Asking for a definitions section might be useful, but it's also the beginning of more extensive legal minutia.

This is some grade AAA drama whoring. I am entertained. http://i.imgur.com/tCp90.gif

Legal liability? I'm not going to automatically refute this claim, but it does make me curious. I'd be interested in more elaboration of this statement.

I've been a victim in this shit too. Fa is getting rediculous. Dragoneer wants to be a totalitarian and run FA like a facist regime, he can go for it. Just sucks :P

Good, god... the drama....
Also  lollazer has 1 furry pic in his account, and the rest are toys... someone should report him for violating the AUP by uploading his goddamwing, or is that gundumbwing, stuff

1) By You:
By You" refers to original content created by the poster.original content created by the poster. If you created it, you may post it, so long as it adheres to all other requirements of the AUP.

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Seeing as he did not CREATE them, rather put pieces together of a toy.
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Photo Dump/Similar Content - The uploading of multiple photographs (more than a total of 3 in your gallery) of similar content (similar angle/composition of the same subject in the same location from the same photo session) is not allowed. Users are encouraged to create a collage for these whenever possible. Photo dumps or "junk" photography are not allowed. Select only the best photo(s) from each session/event.
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I don;t see any difference in the toys, all have swords and wings and are robotic... so that gets removed under the similar content law
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Manufactured/Collected Items - Photographs of manufactured items ("things I own...") which you have not personally developed and created are not permitted, unless the object exists in an artistic setting. This includes items such as DVDs, games, toys, guns/weapons, cars, computers, plush/inflatable animals or objects, posters, etc. You may post photographs of commissioned items, so long as the title and/or description credits the artist/creator.

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Collector toys? HE didn't personally develop or create them, rather glued them together
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