Fur-submitted question 2
14 years ago
It seems to have become acceptable to tolerate hateful internet communities who gather together purely to insult, harangue or otherwise make fun of a certain group of people, ranging from major issues like race and religion, down to the sorts of clothing people wear or the style of art they practice.
Because it seems to have become socially "acceptable" to form such communities, does that make it right, and just how much should be tolerated?
Because it seems to have become socially "acceptable" to form such communities, does that make it right, and just how much should be tolerated?
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A person's opinions, views, beliefs (regardless of how offensive or hateful they may be) should be tolerated, but if those views/beliefs/etc... cross the line from thought into action, and the individual(s) begin to harm or harass (whether physically or verbally or emotionally) others because of their stance, then they should no longer be tolerated and appropriate action should be taken against the offenders.
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if they choose to be friends with people who hate people who want to make friends, then that's THEIR loss, not ours
at that point, they should held accountable for those actions.
As much as I'd want to accept that it's their "way of life," it's an unhealthy mindset that could get them into alot of trouble. I'm not saying I don't tolerate them, rather, I would throw in a statement here or there and [hopefully] shed some sort of light unto them.
Fighting with anger and violence only perpetuates violence. Instead, don't let them realize they're getting to you. Keep smiling and going on with your own life and behave civily and FRIENDLY even.
Observe the recent Pony phenomena, even on 4chan's /b/, notorious as one of the worst and most hateful places on the internet, there has been a constant presence of Pony threads, where the users behave rather civily and outgoingly gregarious, especially to the users who attempt to sabotage the threads with threats, insults and graphic depictions of sexual fetishes and violent gore. In time, many of even the hateful users end up accepting, or even joining the initial group. By showing a constant face of friendliness and acceptance, even the most savage person will find their resolve flagging.
This is why orderly nonviolent resistance, boycotts and education/awareness campaigns can make a difference, as long as they focus on clear and effective results.
Violence may wing wars and put different regimes in order, but often results in an unstable system likely to collapse under the same pressures they used to conquer.
That's why they show resentment towards those who are different, because they want show that they are the "normal" ones.
And that's why they point out our differences, so that they feel more important, or feel that they are the "chosen ones" who are an example of perfection.
Yet, he who looks down on people. Will be looked down upon.
They may think that they are better. Yet people look down on them, or pitty them in return for their imperfections.
They do not see their own imperfections, because they do not want to.
They live in the same kind of fantasy world as any one else. Though they tend to re-enact their fantasies, in stead of living it.
Causing them to shove their "truth" down peoples throat, not understanding that the truth iss merely based on ones experiences.
I say let them. A comunity based on fear, will eventually turn their hate inwards. And it will dismantle itself.
People can do what they want within limits. If they wanna create a group, talking about how much they hate (Group A) then fine. I may not like it, but it doesn't mean they shouldn't do it at all. I mean, if my not liking their group was reason enough for disbanding it, surely the same would be true of the group they hate - and therefore of pretty much every group ever, since every group will have a hater?
However, should that group then go and actively terrorise (Group A) or members of it - THEN I have a problem with it.
Again, John Stuart Mill's quote - people should have liberty, but not unless it interferes with someone else's liberty.
In short, thoughts are our own. Actions aren't.
I understand the point you are trying to make about groups who espose nothing but hate and bigotry, but as long as they are only speaking out against something, it is within their rights to do so. The moment it becomes a physical action, then it's another story. I'm not a fan of accusing someone of saying something bad. What's next? "I think that person's thinking something bad about me"?
I've been someone targeted for insults since I was a young child. I also suffered physical assaults. Do I think the insults and verbal harrassment were okay? No. But I had to learn people were going to do that because people always want to make sure someone else is below them. I still have to keep myself in check when someone else makes a comment.
Tolerence starts with yourself, not someone else.
I know that's not the question, but I wanted to point that out.
Fur1: I think mammals should be the only animals allowed in the furry community.
Fur2: I think you're wrong. I believe that amphibians, as well as reptiles and birds, should be allowed as a furry.
Fur1: NO, YOU'RE WRONG! I'M RIGHT! ALL FURRIES SHOULD BE MAMMALS! THAT'S WHY THEIR CALLED FURRIES!
Instead, this should be what the conversation have been like:
Fur1: I think mammals should be the only animals allowed in the furry community.
Fur2: I think you're wrong. I believe that amphibians, as well as reptiles and birds, should be allowed as a furry.
Fur1: I am simply stating my beliefs in what a 'furry' is and isn't. I respect, however, that you have stated you belief in this subject. Perhaps we can discuss why a reptile can or can't be a furry.
Fur2: Well, a reptile can be a furry because...
...And the conversation would be carried on without exchanging blows. A delicate matter, such as religion, should be carried out with lots of caution. While insulting one's belief in a higher power, such as a God, is unacceptable, stating that one does not believe in a God, but respects other theories as others should his, is fine if no flaming is done.
(I assume you're talking about trolls, BTW.)
Unfortunately, there's not much that can be done about these hate groups. We can shun them -- block them and their members anywhere we find them -- and that's about it.
However, here on FA, hate groups are not allowed. Thankfully. :P
*charging tolerability*
*CAUTIOON! OVERCHARGED!!!*
*ignoring this thing*
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I'm sorry the question is sort of vague. What groups are we talking about? 4Chan where internet griefing is a favored pasttime or are we talking about subcultures within a subculture that are shunned by a generally small group in the parent subculture. The former is juvenile but mostly harmless and the latter is rather hypocritical and unthoughtful.