Need help working bugs out of Kylee's sequel. (SPOILERS!!!)
14 years ago
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Hello to everyone out there who reads these. I know I have a few regulars when I catch their attention. XP Sorry again for not having been around much and for not having made or written anything in some time. I am still getting small opportunities to though and make some progress.
I would like to ask for some help though with my major project in Luca's sequel about Kylee. I have a lot of time to just brainstorm at work while I'm running my tails off trying to do everything. However, I'm having trouble rationalizing a few things I had thought of and was hoping all of you out there who wouldn't mind knowing a few tidbits could help.
So first... SPOILERS!!! If you don't want to know anything about Kylee's story before you have a chance to read it don't read below! XP
And second... What little I have in setting. It's several hundred years in the future from Felix's time, but in the same region (I know I never named it specifically. XP). In that time technology and society have changed a great deal. I'm working on some technology aspects though it's not going to be the focus. Such as the pokeballs being a bit different, the visor Val has, Obediance collars, etc.
Now, I'm having a bit of trouble with the society part. Being a kind hearted person I have trouble being mean and making hostile environments sometimes. XP But basically, pokemon battles have become rather brutal. They're more entertainment for humans, and many trainers do it for fame and money. I had thought of making two leagues, a professional, and an amateur. And I had wanted to make the big secret bad guy the head of a major corporation. However... I'm having trouble with his motivation and attitude. :/ I never was good with people that just hate the world.
Also in my head I had the main story based upon a rebellion against the whole power structure to... actually that just gave me a bit of an idea for the motivation of the protagonists... Thanks for letting me talk it out. XP But that's beside the point. I need some help with details to these questions.
1. How would you explain 80% of the world coming to see pokemon as nothing more than animals fighting, and wanting to see spectacularly overpowered pokemon just beat each other senseless?
2. What motivations would you give to a main antagonist with a secret, powerful "Minion" aid to his dark ambitions. (Other than to rule the world and money because he has pretty much has control of the professional league and can buy his way out of publicly blowing up a children's hospital filled with little girls and Eevees...) Or does he need a motivation other than just seeing pokemon as beasts for our entertainment?
3. How would you rationalize actually bringing two armies of trainers together to fight for their beliefs? One led by Val and Kylee and the other by the antagonist CEO. (This is the big one. I have an amazing idea for this line but for the life of me I can't explain, 1. why they would fight in the country somewhere without a city or anything around, where I'd want them to, 2. Why there'd be two huge groups of people and pokemon just out right fighting like it was the stone age rather than holding some kind of gentlemanly tournament. XP, and 3. Why the CEO would even mass a group the size of a small army and respond to Val and Kylee, other than because they defied him.
So there you are, have at it if you wish and I'll try to discuss things with you as much as I can. If you think I don't need to worry about anything you can argue that point too. I have a lot on my mind about this series that I just haven't been able to sit down and piece together. And I hadn't even mentioned the sub plot about the heritage that will be forced on Kylee throughout this. Mainly because I have that pretty much figured out and I don't want to spoil everything. ^^
ALRIGHT! I'm done now. help me storyboard as much as you like! ^^;
I would like to ask for some help though with my major project in Luca's sequel about Kylee. I have a lot of time to just brainstorm at work while I'm running my tails off trying to do everything. However, I'm having trouble rationalizing a few things I had thought of and was hoping all of you out there who wouldn't mind knowing a few tidbits could help.
So first... SPOILERS!!! If you don't want to know anything about Kylee's story before you have a chance to read it don't read below! XP
And second... What little I have in setting. It's several hundred years in the future from Felix's time, but in the same region (I know I never named it specifically. XP). In that time technology and society have changed a great deal. I'm working on some technology aspects though it's not going to be the focus. Such as the pokeballs being a bit different, the visor Val has, Obediance collars, etc.
Now, I'm having a bit of trouble with the society part. Being a kind hearted person I have trouble being mean and making hostile environments sometimes. XP But basically, pokemon battles have become rather brutal. They're more entertainment for humans, and many trainers do it for fame and money. I had thought of making two leagues, a professional, and an amateur. And I had wanted to make the big secret bad guy the head of a major corporation. However... I'm having trouble with his motivation and attitude. :/ I never was good with people that just hate the world.
Also in my head I had the main story based upon a rebellion against the whole power structure to... actually that just gave me a bit of an idea for the motivation of the protagonists... Thanks for letting me talk it out. XP But that's beside the point. I need some help with details to these questions.
1. How would you explain 80% of the world coming to see pokemon as nothing more than animals fighting, and wanting to see spectacularly overpowered pokemon just beat each other senseless?
2. What motivations would you give to a main antagonist with a secret, powerful "Minion" aid to his dark ambitions. (Other than to rule the world and money because he has pretty much has control of the professional league and can buy his way out of publicly blowing up a children's hospital filled with little girls and Eevees...) Or does he need a motivation other than just seeing pokemon as beasts for our entertainment?
3. How would you rationalize actually bringing two armies of trainers together to fight for their beliefs? One led by Val and Kylee and the other by the antagonist CEO. (This is the big one. I have an amazing idea for this line but for the life of me I can't explain, 1. why they would fight in the country somewhere without a city or anything around, where I'd want them to, 2. Why there'd be two huge groups of people and pokemon just out right fighting like it was the stone age rather than holding some kind of gentlemanly tournament. XP, and 3. Why the CEO would even mass a group the size of a small army and respond to Val and Kylee, other than because they defied him.
So there you are, have at it if you wish and I'll try to discuss things with you as much as I can. If you think I don't need to worry about anything you can argue that point too. I have a lot on my mind about this series that I just haven't been able to sit down and piece together. And I hadn't even mentioned the sub plot about the heritage that will be forced on Kylee throughout this. Mainly because I have that pretty much figured out and I don't want to spoil everything. ^^
ALRIGHT! I'm done now. help me storyboard as much as you like! ^^;
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and although the technology isn't the focus, perhaps stealth craft are the norm?
Otherwise, can't wait to see what you can dish out in this one!
As for the battling, we're a naturally competitive race. People love to see who's better than one another all the time. Even if we overcome this mindset it'll still be somewhere in the back of your mind still pushing. We pitted gladiators against each other and we loved it. Throw in some fantastical creatures a few explosions and the show just got that much more entertaining.
2: Delusions of grandeur, control issues, god complex, paranoia like Noriiiko said, etc etc... He could also legitimately believe in what he is doing as the "right" thing which I think would make him a far more dangerous individual than someone with a psychological condition. It makes him more appealing to an outsider. Who would you follow into the face of hell; An paranoid monopolist or a steadfast charismatic leader both of which can throw cash an resources to make the things you love vanish in the blink of an eye if you disobey.
3: erraaaaummm I'm gonna need some more time to think on this one
I'm not entirely sure what romantic aspects I will have in it but I do have a few relationships in mind between some characters. ^^; but overall I don't think it will be a very sexual story this time. Again not to turn anyone off because I'm only 18 pages into the first chapter and that's not including the prologue I have to write from Val and Kylee's view. But if you or anyone has suggestions in terms of that I'd be willing to listen. : ) Currently I have a little bit of a love interest in another Lucario for Kylee though he shows up a bit later. As for Val well... I hadn't been able to find much in my head for her in terms of romanticism so I'm open to suggestions. Well suggestions other than Sil. ^^; I'm still not sure whether to make their relationship that deep.
As for your actual answers, Thank you for explaining the slavery aspect like you did. I agree that's kind of how I'm making pokemon in here. I was just concerned that people would have a problem with the majority shifting from those who loved pokemon as pets to those who treated them like toys to be broken. But the story I have in mind actually fits well into this now that I'm seeing some opinions and getting a chance to talk it out a bit.
And for the second I suppose I simply thought it'd be taking a shortcut or easy way out just making him like that. ^^; But then again, I look back to Luca and I didn't really add depth to Darkrai and people still absolutely hated him in terms of my story. ^^; So perhaps I'm over thinking him a bit and should focus on just making him the ever hateable bad guy. ^^ Though this time around he will have much more to do with making the main characters miserable than Darkrai in Luca. At the moment though I'm probably going to work in a lot of the aspects you, Noriiiko and Servus mentioned. After reading the comments here and thinking I got an idea. I do apologize if it reflects Servus' suggestion a bit more though.
What about the main antagonist pokemon I have planned having actually been this guys first pokemon when he was a kid, and even after going through some gyms and stuff this pokemon absolutely crushed the kid's dreams of being a trainer by simply walking out on him, and even releasing all his other pokemon if he even caught others because of the twisted morals I'm planning on having this evil pokemon plant in the kid. After that the kid pretty much snaps and devotes his life to the belief that pokemon are lower than dirt, and that humans are the masters. So he starts inventing ways to control them, leading to some of the key technologies I intend to mention, and eventually to his take over and the oppression of pokemon over the years as more and more people grow up with that way of thinking.
Suggestions or comments on that maybe? or should I go somewhere else? Your opinions matter. ^^
But seriously, thank you Dothwk! I sincerely appreciate the help and support. To be honest I needed this to get em excited about it once again and really into writing.
As for his Pokemon abandoning him he'd either have a poor character flaw to start out with to make his partner turn its back on him, or the Pokemon itself would be the flawed one. I'm thinking the former since it would be more of a driving force to the control tech he develops since he would be too prideful and deny any part of it being his own fault.
thanks Dothwk. : )
2: hatred. it is a very simple emotion that bleeds over into everything from sexual quirks to just simple anger. If this person was hurt by pokemon in his past, in a very significant way, his hatred towards that one pokemon could extend to all pokemon.
Suppose that he actually is of hybrid origin in the same way that Kylee is, but the other way around, a pokemon father and a human mother. Then not only does the father abandon him, but also brutally murders the mother (or he abandons them and the mother gets torn apart by wild pokemon in front of the villain as a child) ((actually he doesn't even have to truly abandon them it only has to seem that way to the villain)). That leaves you with a very very broken child. One that would grow up with serious abandonment and hatred issues. plus, with tech being that much more advanced, a hybrid could easily be identified via a simple blood test. So he gets that freak label, so now he has three reasons to hate pokemon.
as far as 3, i don't think it will work. in a modern era, the ceo will likely be in the cities and to get to him you will have to go to him... unless you can somehow draw him out. Perhaps if the father from my above suggestion is still alive.... his presence would be enough to at least draw the ceo's army out there if not the ceo themselves.
If the ceo controls the government, or usurps it, then there will be a major major civil altercation, possibly even a civil war. However the main themes you have presented so far do not create enough widespread conflict to make this scene happen. Now if it were like the government in V for Vendetta or Fahrenheit 451 then maybe it could work, but just from the conclusion of Luca where Kylee was dropped off with Val I'd say this is probably not the case.
if there is any sort of major military tech advancements/more liberal use of them, this scene will NOT happen. the CEO did not get to where he is by fighting on even footing with his opponents. He has worked by monopolizing on the weakness of his opponents, capitalizing on his strengths and making the most of every opportunity for him to move ahead. He will stack the deck in his favor in any way possible, and if that includes using massive firepower in the form of large bombs being dropped, I'm sure he would.
What are these obedience collars you speak of?
ALSO, this may seem like it comes out of left field, but is Kaylee's human heritage going to be obvious (ie speaking, human hands like leo got, and, most importantly (well to my inner pervert) will she have BOOOOOBS?)?
Is that what you mean by heritage?
Hey, you pretty much hit the nail on the head there. And that is the way I was going, I just wasn't sure if simply saying "This is how it is." Was good enough when there were seeds in Luca that suggested people and pokemon were starting to be seen as equals. Though the more I talk about it and the more I think the more see that such things are actually a good thing. I can't thank you guys enough for talking this out with me because I am making progress in my story boarding. Which I need to write down cause it's all in my head at the moment. XP
As for your suggestions to question 2 what do you think of my idea here?
What about the main antagonist pokemon I have planned having actually been this guys first pokemon when he was a kid, and even after going through some gyms and stuff this pokemon absolutely crushed the kid's dreams of being a trainer by simply walking out on him, and even releasing all his other pokemon if he even caught others because of the twisted morals I'm planning on having this evil pokemon plant in the kid. After that the kid pretty much snaps and devotes his life to the belief that pokemon are lower than dirt, and that humans are the masters. So he starts inventing ways to control them, leading to some of the key technologies I intend to mention, and eventually to his take over and the oppression of pokemon over the years as more and more people grow up with that way of thinking.
When I read your post this came to mind. Granted it needs a lot more detail and probably a flashback explanation but I have a twist or two I could put in there. But then again, if it is like 800 years in the future from Felix's time like I had planned for another little wrap up to happen... can I justify a 20-30 year plunge after who knows what happened in the 800 years? x.x Or do I use that time TO justify the final dip in people's opinion of pokemon? (I'm assuming the answer is of course if I intend to go through with that plan. ^^; )
On the topic of hybrids, you got me thinking. With the opinion of pokemon, hybrids would indeed be looked at as freaks, though my guess would be there wouldn't be many of them for that reason, what person would want to go through the label of being a parent to such a creature? However... as I said you got me thinking. That would be the main stream thought, but the underground would think differently, and now I want to make a pokemon "neko" character to add to the mix. XP But that will be a bit later too.
As for tech, I was thinking of things to allow people to be lazy, such as holographic stadiums that allow the trainer to step into a room and be projected into a stadium across the planet, but his pokemon has been transported there to actually be used. The trainer's image could be projected over a robot skeleton that would provide substance to throw the balls the trainer wished. Or teleporters for people themselves for that matter. Mainly I was focusing on the pokemon aspect. Pokevisors like I explained a little bit and will some more. Allow a trainer to see damn near every bit of data gathered on a pokemon, though the stuff they display in battle will be a bit limited to avoid cheating. (Which of course you'll have people going around. ^^; ) Then there's the pokeballs, which I intended to have obediance chips in them now, though they're removable thanks to one thing the league managed to force through on its behalf. Though basically these things actually turn pokemon into the mindless fighters people of the time see them as. the collars I mentioned were another aspect of that, forcing the pokemon into obeying the trainer no matter what the pokemon itself wanted. The chip was intended to only go so far in preventing the pokemon from escaping and stuff like that. The collar was to ensure obedience while outside of the ball as well as keeping the influence of the ball's chip strong. Tell me if I'm being redundant... x.x
And as for your other question. ^^ Kylee is a Golden Riolu. I love to make special stories as to why shiny pokemon exist and are around. Kylee has a back story that goes far past Luca and Felix. That's the "Heritage" I speak of. ^^; She has a great deal of a burden, that she will find out soon enough. And as to your other personal question... Yes she will have boobs when she evolves. ^^; Personally I'm not a fan of giant boobs so she too will be modest, but that's a trait of Lucario I added personally, not just human wise. ^^; And she actually speaks human, and not pokemon, though innately she can give people the feel of what she's trying to convey. I'm trying to make that trait noticeable but with how subtle it is already that's proving difficult too. ^^; Other than that she will be a normal Lucario/Riolu in appearance, she'll be missing her chest spike as I had established for females so they don't poke their breasts or babies, but... OH! I gave her Felix's eyes for the most part too. ^^; You'll see what I mean there though. It's just a lot of the little details that I like to add and I hope such things don't annoy people. ^^;
I have to get going for now but I'm around. ^^ Thanks for talking with me and I'll comment again when I can! Take care Servus!
this is significant to change people's opinions of pokemon over such a time scale.
and yeah, i didn't expect Kylee to have big boobs, they don't make much sense on a fighting type in general and even less on a nonboobed species even if it is a hybrid.
my shiny explaination has to do with genetic defects, that the shiny fur pattern is usually linked to very serious defects that result in abandonment and death in the wild (like being born without eyes or other serious failures of prebirth growth)
And a little guilty admission? I like "boobcarios". ^^; Seems to have become a little tradition with me and Noriiiko when we go to Anthrocon to commission a boobcario somewhere. However, I'm not a fan of like really big boobs. ^^; And I seem to like petite girls in that respect most times. ^^; Perhaps I can blame that on my uncle playing the country song "Itty Bitty Titties" at his wedding when I was little. XP Psychological manipulation!
Anyway... >.> I had another idea for that like climactic battle. Originally I had thought of it as being an immensely important archeological site where there were some ruins but most of it was missing, vanished into thin air. The main bad human had bought the land and bared anyone from entering so he could keep the potentially damning ruins away from anyone who opposed him. I had envisioned just a large open area at first where the rag tag army of trainers and their pokemon show up to fight the bad guys army. Like you said though I'd have a hard time justifying him having a literal army of people and pokemon so instead this idea evolved...
The site is still the same in terms of it's archeological significance, but it's been entirely built over by a massive Colosseum complex and surrounding businesses and such. Kind of like an indigo plateau. This could be a massive event with trainers and pokemon from around the world being there which would allow Val and Kylee to gather their forces there completely noticed, though with the main view of the world the other trainers would be easily coerced into fighting for the defense of the Colosseum. Hence the battle ensues and I can throw my twists in. XP
Opinions? Ideas? And suggestions on what Val's 6th pokemon should be...? I'm drawing a blank on what I'd planned but I have a set I think works.
Ryla-Swablu
Unnamed as of yet-Milotic
Sil-Absol
Kylee-Riolu
Unnamed as of yet-Gallade
Open-Open