lol yeah i try not to think about that

That is because FA is a pron site. And clean furry artwork does not have a good place to post.

Kind of a shame, really. I know other people have tried to make new gallery sites, but I imagine no one's decided to make a strictly clean one for fear of not attracting any users. I think it would be a great idea, though I doubt it'll ever happen. I know friends and I have tried it before.

Bullshit!

http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Template:Media_archives

There are almost as many clean or porn censored sites as mature ones. The issues are usually the same though, it doesn't mean the quality of art is going to be any better.

Favorites are meaningless facebook level e-penis points anyway. Why should you care?

Well that's good to know! I guess the world will never find a perfectly balanced art community.

I don't care about not getting favorites myself anymore. It's just that favorites are the clearest indicator (at least on this website) as to what people as a whole like and don't like. And clearly people like porn a lot more than clean art here. That's not always the case of course, as I've seen decent work with thousands of faves. But most of the time it's the porn that gets the e-penis points.

Well how do you define porn? I mean, it may sound silly, but you have art like Dark Natasha's where she can convey coyness and sensuality without outright tits to the face or cock everywhere. Museum quality stuff, to boot...

http://darknatasha.com/animals/imag.....uresorical.jpg

And then you have low-tier fetish material that while technically not involving sex or nudity at all, is mostly still designed to sate the fetish fans. Just search for 'pawshots' or 'macro' or really a lot of things here.

Porn = cock and tits and vagina and cum freaking EVERYWHERE. Basically anything you couldn't even show in an R-rated film. There's a lot of that on this website.

I don't think of fetish material as porn. It's just weird sometimes is all.

What's the difference though? Usually fetish stuff and porn are made for the same reasons and get the same amount of views/comments/favorites? If the effort was similar, why is the one more desirable than the other?

Cause people have dirty minds; always in the gutter.

I don't get it either, trust me.

people are more attracted to their own bonors than anything else >.>

There's no real rhyme or reason. It's just the way it is I guess.

It doesn't really bother me because even when I draw porn I STILL don't get any hits!

Life's weird like that.

I think what bothers me most is how the furry fandom as a whole strives for a good public image/reputation. We try to tell non-furs that it isn't all about sex. But things like this clearly state the opposite. Can't have your cake and eat it, too.

You certainly have a point.

I've wondered how furs feel about this whole image thing. Is the sex/pron art part of the fandom a driving force to them, and this group is saying 'it isn't all about sex' when only a marginal part of it is not about sex to them.

Or is it that the image we want to reflect on the fandom is exactly what it is--that the mature art exists and people dig it, but if somehow it never existed, none of us would care. I fall in the latter group, and feel I'd get a different answer to this image problem based on which fur I asked and what time of day it is.

I just don't get the status of things either regarding this.

It's all very confusing to me. I don't like explaining furry to the public anymore. We're supposedly taught to steer away from the sexual part if and when it's brought up, but I'm not going to lie to people and try to downplay it when it really is a big part of things here.

It seems like one of those things people try to pretend doesn't exist and that no one wants to talk about. That's why I don't think it'll ever change at all. =/

90% of the people who pound the IT'S NOT ABOUT SEX bit are usually the worst perverts of them all.

When you get down to it, geeks are horny people. This is not something that's limited to furry in the least, and it's not all about sex.

You can be a clean artist, clean fursuiter, clean puppeteer, clean anything and still get some notoriety in the fandom and expand your skill/trade/hobby. It's actually rather ignorant to think the whole world should stop the same place you do on that. People are people. Personally, I'd love to see zero juggalo furs, just because that shit annoys me, but I don't go around bemoaning all the fat klowns. I'm not trying to devote a website to exclude them, and I certainly don't think the fandom should shun them exclusively by trying to portray them as non-existent to outsiders. That's just foolishness!

Back to my other point though, how much of the anime fandom is hentai and dirty manga based? How much of the Star Trek fandom is slash fiction?

What furry has going for it, which is AWESOME, is we don't rely entirely on some segment of the entertainment industry to give us new material. We aren't all waiting around a Sony, Viacom, LucasArts booth at a con just to get a glimpse of what's new. We are our own supplier, and that means popular stuff (angst, raver shit, warfare themes) will be more common in our produced media. Sex is popular. Sex is fun. Of course it's going to be in there.

If you are hosting a convention with a lot of dork sex and the like going on, you have to have some decency standards, keep minors and adults separate when needed, but you only look schizo or like you have something to hide if you deny it up and down and two minutes with google can prove you wrong.

Honesty sometimes works. You'll look like a deviant either way, best be a humble one.

All very good points. The other day I was also wondering myself how much of other geek fandoms are sex-driven, but I honestly couldn't say. Like, I've been to Otakon, but haven't explored enough to figure out how prevalent hentai is or whatever.

I guess sometimes the clean people have to work harder for their notoriety. I have a tendency of thinking of selling sex in art communities as cheap. Drawing porn and making boatloads of money off of it is too easy. Not to say good adult artists aren't working hard on their craft but... I dunno.

Weeaboos are horny horny fucks, and FAR more numerous than furries. 4chan pretty much began as a manga sharing service with a tilt towards hentai.

Heck, even at something supposedly sterilized and strictly commercial like E3 you have 'booth babes' who will lure in visitors to a vendor's table by use of cleavage revealing outfits. It's super effective!

I think art wise, bad porn is all too common, but good porn artists are usually also good artist. The biggest issue in furry is artists tend to plateau once the stuff they draw tends to look good enough to sell well and people like their 'style'. This happens to both clean and not artists, but given commission rates usually tilt towards adult stuff, I think that gets more noticeable.

Also remember, furry has a lot of grounding in roleplay mucks and whatnot too, where sex is kind of the order of the day there, because frankly if you put that much effort into roleplay for a non-masturbatory reason, there's probably something wrong with you.

That's pretty much why I save all my more "serious" artwork for elsewhere. I realize there's no use posting it here.

Yerf.Com no longer exists, my dA account was hacked into when someone decided to become "a Furry Hilter" and eradicate all the furries off HIS dA, even clean art of my pet bunny and werewolf/shaman art...... Mind you I was not breaking the TOS of the site and even after dA banned the hacker, it took me MONTHS to get access to my account and all my stuff restored.

Sheezy Art used to be like FA until the server admin made all X art get deleted without consent or warning. Then FA was born.
Furry Art Pile (FAP?), ArtSpots.... not many I know on them, and ArtSpots is a @*$)! to get accepted into.

I only did one porn pic as therapy for an ex that was abusive and only thought of his nethers. I didn't post it. I don't like outright porn. Soft porn or suggestive R art without explicit acts is better.

Seems not everyone thinks that way though. None of my art really gets many favorites on dA either. I'm hardly a good artist though.

I once was talking with someone about how much adult art is in the fandom, and he told me that there's a lot of nudity in stuff hanging at museums. Artistic nudity =/= porn, though. =] It's not so much the porn itself I have beef with, rather the gratuitous amount of it and how easy it is to find. That and the backpedalling that I mentioned above.

An art website like FA mixed with a few DA features mixed with an explicit artwork ban would be ideal, but as far as I know nothing like that exists. I'll probably migrate off this site eventually once I finish my personal website and figure out some decent gallery coding or whatever.

Half of everything on DA is wank material anyway, the other half being really bad fanart and stories.

From my experience, DA is comprised of anime art, bad anime art, substandard photography and trace amounts of legitimately good work.

I have a real bone of contention with furries. I got into this because of Care Bears, 80's MLP (The FiM is utter rubbish!), Looney Tunes. NOTHING sexual about why I came here, just "wait, this has a name? You mean there are other people that wish they were a Care Bear?"
I didn't understand herms or shemales or other gender benders much either, I was really looking for more wholesome or R nudity art, not um...... trying to work out herm yiff.

Now it seems like we're the pit of every fetish possible that other fandoms like star wars/sci fi would shun. Baby fur or underage art to me should frankly be illegal as it's pedophilia with ears and a tail. Or free X rated art, just ears and a tail on. Not everyone agrees.
Granted, you need SOME flavors and not just PG or G rated art should exist. But THIS much X-rated?

My boyfriend is really my "babysitter" at cons, as far as my mom is concerned. So I don't go to room parties or "yiffing". ^-^;;

You should be more bothered when meme stuff, or rant comics get more favs than art.

Sometimes I fav very cutesy or innocent or arty type stuff just so all my favorites aren't fursuits or porn.