The 'good' ending isnt any better, its just a cryptic non-enjoyable extra 5 seconds of video.

To Myself the ending was really disappointing. Five years of waiting. If you look at Bioware's response to the fans they said that they wanted to make it forgettable.

Its not BioWares fault, It's EA and Helmpers (That evil bitch needs to die)

No, It's the Developers fault for succumbing to money buyout.

Remember Take Two? They put EA in they're place and stood firm.

Ya but you gotta remember the Hemlper Bitch has a lot of pull on the story and lore of the game. I know what you mean and I agree a extent the Devs should have but theirs only so much they can do before jeopardizing themselves.

Bioware is a dead company to Me Man. I gave them three strikes.

First it Was Dragon age 2, Then it was The Old Republic, Now its Mass effect.

Bioware has gone down the George Lucas methood(I'm right(And EA) And everyone else is wrong)/

Have You seen how Bioware has been treating its customers lately? My friend who got hacked on TOR got yelled, sworn, And hung up at. And I've heard many other cases as well.

That game has under 200k subscribers now which is deathening and EA keeps trying to find a way to sucker people in, They even took down the unsubscribe buttons off the site. They got sued by several people because of that.

O wow, can i get a source on the Unsubscribed button.

http://www.gamemunition.com/news/pl.....-old-republic/

Might I remind You it was put up the day after everyone's free month was up and You had to pay your 15$

Wondering where you're seeing the 200k subscribers. Since everywhere I look, the Q3 2012 numbers was 2 million games sold, 1.7 active subscribers. Just curious. But yeah...DA2 sucked horribly. Still playing through ME3, haven't read anything on what exactly is the ending, wanting to find out myself. Interested to see what the whole deal is with it. Probably won't like it either, but we'll see.

Go to Torstatus. Theres a little under 200k active. Dont trust coporate numbers =]

Sorry I should have said active players

Interesting. The guy does say accumulated population index has nothing to do with the number of players. But eh, I don't play SWTOR myself. More of a tabletop gamer myself. But eh, I'm ending here, not going to turn this journal into a silly argument about a game neither of us care for. xD *Goes back helping wife work on her D&D character*

there a buisness and as far as i know BW was always EA owned

No it wasn't brother. It was bought out in 2007 and the quality of their games has been dropping ever since.

ah, still it prob was get bought or go out of buisness and then we woulndt have any BW games at all anymore

Not necessarily, You gotta remember bro Bioware is(Well okay Was x3) one of the Worlds largest indie developers/publishers.

But $$$ is a hard thing to resist. Being a Guitar musician and lover I knew Metallica became sold out and since then....Quality(Of course) has dropped massively.

might be but renember that about 2007 was the begining of the economic crysis?, even strong healthy companies were tumbeling

Jeeezus Christ. Hepler isn't even on ME:3's writing team. Its Dragon Age she's working on.

The persoanl attacks are pathetic. Even more so when miss-directed.

As far as I was aware she was on Mass Effect's and being rude was uncalled for so I'm gonna ask that you try and not be a dick.

“Jennifer [Hepler] is a valued, talented employee who has been with BioWare for many years and we hope will be with us for many more. It is awful that a few people have decided to make her a target for hate and threats, going so far as fabricating forum posts and attributing them to her, and singling her out for projects to which she has not contributed (i.e., Jennifer is not even a part of the Mass Effect writing team). All of us at BioWare support and will continue to support Jennifer fully, and are happy to see so many people out there are also supporting her during this difficult time.”

Dr Ray Muzyka, CEO at BioWare

Easily found if you could be bothered to look.

And I can't be rude but you can make idle death threats to people you don't know for things they haven't done? How does that work? To be fair what I said was what you wrote was pathetic and not that you were pathetic. Try not not to make me change my mind, eh.

Why bother trying when it's clear that your not, I don't bother with lost causes. You've made a point by being a dick and that's all. I don't have to try and explain or convince you of anything. You're not worth the time or effort after all what should I prove to someone I don't even know over the Internet... especially one that wants to be rude.

You have a warped philosophy, friend.

I show evidence that your assertion is wrong. Yet you rufuse to address it and then you call me a 'lost cause'? I haven't called you a name, though I have criticized your actions it wasn't you directly as a person. Yet you call me a 'dick' twice and complain that I am to one being rude!! *snerk!*

For those (few) that don't know Jennifer Hepler is a writer for BioWare and now gaming hate figure... The story is here. Its all very tragic:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/danieln.....er-harassment/
Some screencaps of a few of the Tweets Hepler got are preserved here:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostd.....s-age-edition/
Now she's being blamed with the same vitriol for the ending of ME:3 even though she wasn't working on the game, which is unfair -As if calling for her to die wasn't bad enough-.  rokoka you are free to criticize Hepler all you want -I don't agree with everything she said- but don't tell them to die (do I really need to tell you that?) and please make sure that your critisizm is for something that they have done and not what you think they have done.
Otherwise you just perpetuate a negative stereotype of gamers.

if Jennifer Hepler was not involed in the ME-3 debaucle then why in the end credits is her name there in the head script writer heading.

Jennifer Hepler i admit did do a crap job on some aspects ofs dragon age BUT the DA series i found to be really good, except for the ending of the games, they just sucked, also Jennifer Hepler wrote the new endings for ME-3 after all 16 of the origional endings were leaked.

That is interesting because looking at the credits I can't find her name listed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVMGvXFFG6c 0:12 Lead Writer is Mac Walters And a 1:25 there is a Chris Hepler (husband?) listed under Writers, but no Jennifer.
If Jennifer was brought in as a ghost writer or in some other way is unlisted (or I simply didn't see her name in the credits) then I'd have to agree that she was involved. But I want to see evidence first because what I've read so far tells me otherwise.

Anyway that point is minor in comparison to the disgusting hatred directed towards Hepler that was shown on this thread (and the internet as a whole -As if there is a writer that gets free reign to do whatever they like and to take the game's plot wherever they want). Someone doesn't go telling a stranger to die because they don't like a game's ending. And they then don't tell someone who calls them out on this a 'dick' without coming across as a hypocrite.

I am not defending Hepler as a writer but I am sick of this unnecessary, poisonous hate.

Lol the endings are all the same with minor changes in dialogue. I wish they'd make dlc to fix some endings so it makes a difference what you do or don't do like in the other ME games.

Big ass-journal

(http://xkcd.com/37/)

(sorry)

^ i truely loled at that

Wait what? I thought we were talking about asses!?

Still yet to find the asses in this journal...

I AM DISAPPOINT

I have yet to take my collectors edition copy out of the mail packaging that it came in.

Return it and ask for your money back, not worth it imo

It's totally worth it, it's an excellent game, don't let the last 5, disappointing minutes ruin your entire experience. People have been getting too butthurt over the end, yes it's disappointing, but you don't need to go writing bad reviews for the whole 40+ hours of great game before it.

Personal Opinion, just like how man have been.

The game left a lot to be desired, the combat was basicly copy paste from ME1 and 2 expect a few things and just didn't hold the same feeling of worth you get from ME2.

"Combat was basicly copy paste from ME1 and 2"

Hahaha okay right

Also, you saying it's bad and he should go return it is fact, but my saying it's still worth playing is opinion? Okay sure

I have to agree with you on everything that you've said. The ending is indeed not good enough for a series this good, but you can over look it for such great game play. It seems very few people have the attitude of "Great game, bad ending" and think of it in terms of "Worthless piece of crap I paid money for, the whole game is awful". If the ending meant more to you than the 30+ hours of game play....why didnt you just Youtube the endings for free and skip the game?

Yes, thank you. Trust me, I'm not too thrilled about the ending either, but too many people are writing off the whole game because of it, so annoying.

It not just bad 5 minutes, its a bad five minutes that 5 years of waiting, 60 hours of game-play and all of what we've done in the game has built up to. Even though the game is fun, its pretty much a quickly made ending that hardly resolves anything, creates more problems and doesn't feel like it was worth all the time getting there. It's like taking a road trip across America only to get hit with a baseball bat in the crotch the second you get to your destination.

Hell, the entire last level felt almost thrown together at times since it really didn't live up to all the hype that was built around it for the entire game.

It also wasn't even very fun near the end to be honest =/ Once I found out that Sniper Rifle + Incinerate + Overload (three abilities I had myself) could basically kill anything easily, other then those fucking Banshee's, it lost much of the value.

I don't know, this was pretty much my last strike for Bioware to. I was really expecting more from them.

Alot have been saying that, might go and do that I figured they would fuck the game up too.

Sending you a note on the side, With some info.

Seriously dude, play the game, judge it for yourself, don't let this guy's bad attitude affect your decision, it's a great game

I'm waiting to find the first one and play through them all in order, got the second one...first is a bit trickier to find for some reason.

Try Steam.

Actually my local Gamestop should be getting more in shortly.

It's one of the best games I've ever seen, up until the last 10 mins.

the ending sucked waaaaaag :(

No it SUCKED HARD WANG

No, no, the ending was bad! Wang is good
*chuckles*

O you xD

The sad part is, theirs gonna be DLC for "Perfect" endings and theirs talk going around at the end where the "Stargazer" tells another story about shepard

And also the best endings, You don't need to do Multi-player, they even stated that so you know.

I wonderz. I haven't beaten it yet myself. Doing too many side missions!

dont wory about the ending people there will be a ME4 (without Sheppard tough)

Just read it and I totally agree with most of it. When/if you do get around to multiplayer, I'd love to play with you. I've been meaning to play myself and having people to do it with would make it a lot more fun I think. We should get a whole furry group or two. ^^

SPOILER ALERT

All the endings looked the same to me. In the end it doesn't matter what choices you've made the galaxy is fucked. That is to say: The commander is dead, the various races you spent the entire game getting to work together are cut off from one another, the Citadel is blown into pieces, and the largest military force in the history of ever is marooned at what's left of the Sol system, and if you didn't pay an extra $20 for the special edition than you probably paid $10 for an additional character who was already built into the game.

They're hardly marooned, just because the Mass Relays are gone. Everyone still has their regular ME FTL drives, so it just means inter-galactic travel is slower, not non-existant.

So what you're saying is, that the fact that it will take approximately 12 years for the fleet to reach the Exodus cluster and even longer to get to other habitable planets is just fine?

Years? I'm thinking it would just take them a few weeks.

That would require them to overhaul the rules set in place for the Mass Effect IP, but since they've already done that once to let humans survive exposure to the vacuum of space just by wearing a gas mask, I guess they could flip of what's left of the people who were fans of Mass Effect when it first came out.

The multiplayer is surprisingly fun with friends.

I've been having fun with it, even with strangers.

My husbeast wants this game so badly. I think I'm going to buy it for him tomorrow, as he's been a good boy lately.

I agree that the ending was bullshit, a series that awesome should not have ended so shitty. The game up until then was amazing in my opinion but the end was awful they could have soooooooooooooo much more, and the 3 options you had at the end should have affected the end much more than it did, but the rest of the game was great, but to me ME2 and ME3 are no where near as good as ME1, the first just had this strange feeling of mystery since you had no clue what was really going on. In the other 2 you already knew what was going on pretty much. The end of ME3 was disappointing, but everything up until then was fantastic.

I stopped looking forward to Bioware titles post EA (Dragon Age 2, Old Republic, ME3).

There being rather large dicks to the fans about the DLC scandal, aswell as a giant slew of other nagging issues that just stops the game from being exciting or enjoyable.

Pahaha I'm not the only one with a Bruce Willis character! :D I have an Obama one as well XD

I too finished the game three hours ago. First of all I cried...then I started to get agitated, pacing around with a million questions flying around my head, none of which have answers.

All that work, emotional-investment and time...for nothing.

Wardy

Because of the ending?

Yes.

So you care nothing about the game, and played it just for that pulsepounding ending like every other non-caring 'gamer' out there?

Or did I misread your comment?

Do not get me wrong!

I LOVED the game and was in rapture right up until the last five minutes when all my hard-work was essentially rendered totally and utterly irrelevant. I might as well have let everyone die at the end of ME3 and told the Quarians and Geth to do what the fuck they want because it would have made NO FUCKING DIFFERENCE!

The Mass Effect trilogy was all about your choices making sense and we were PROMISED time and again that the endings would deal with the consequences of our choices.

What we got was one ending with three different colours of explosion and it's the same no matter what I did or didn't do. I spent ages playing (and loving) all of the Mass Effect series and I was damn sure that when I returned to Earth, I was bringing an intergalactic ass-kicking with me!

So imagine how I felt when it turns out that it would have made no difference at all if I rocked up waving a broken beer bottle?

I might as well have jacked it in at the very start of ME1 for all the fucking good my hard work did!

The ending was NOT "pulsepounding" - it was insulting and it was also full of holes.

Point 1 - When a Mass Relay is destroyed, it unleashes the power of a supernova. Yeah, great...I save all sentient life in the galaxy by killing it. no matter what I do!

Point 2 - Joker frantically piloting the Normandy ahead of the shockwave. Why is he there? And why was someone who was with me in London on board. Are they seriously saying that Joker rounded up all the crew and did a runner before the Mass Relays were destroyed, even though he had no way of knowing they would be?

Sorry but there is NO WAY IN HELL he, or any of the crew, would just run away, even if they had any way of knowing what was coming.

Point 3 - We were promised that our choices would not be limited to "A", "B" or "C" and yet here we are with choice "A", "B" or "C" and NO OPTION to tell the creepy ghost-boy to get fucked!

Point 4 - So what was the point of all the hard decisions I had to make? What happens to the Quarians and the Geth? Did my sparing the Rachni (again) result in another war? There is no closure at all in the ending and that in itself makes the ending nothing short of appalling.

Point 5 - A loading screen in Mass Effect 2 urges one to start a new campaign with a new Shepherd and a new class for a "whole new experience". Well what's the point now if all you're gonna get is the same "fuck you!" ending? I'll tell you: None.

Point 6 - After the end the game dumps you back to the point just before you start the final assault and tells you that you can look forward to some lovely DLC. To quote Yahtzee - "There is no middle finger big enough!"

I have put too much time and effort into this series which always told us that our choices would make a difference to be fobbed off with this deus ex machina crap!

You had me worried.

And I know about most of it. I played some of the story at a buddies house.

Another thing, you do know this is made by EA, right? Anything past 2 in a series by EA is bound to suck sooner or later, such as: Red Alert 3, Command and Conquer 3-4, The entire NFS series after UG2.. Bear that in mind when the 'dlc' or ME4 comes in.

I wish the character options would have let you make the characters look more like their voice actors. they did it with martin sheen and Yvonne Strahovski. among others.

For those who want a better ME ending:
http://retakemasseffect.chipin.com/.....ct-childs-play

My ending alluded to Shepard still being alive at the end.

I've seen video of the "Shepard lives" endings. It's still very emotionally unsatisfying. Everything created, every choice made, every friendship built, every love interest, every faction with an opinion and a future from here on... completely cut off from having an ending. All that work customizing and going through with a character and their choices... very much feeling like Shepard at the end, just to have such an emotionally unsatisfying ending for all your work.

My feelings entirely and yet we get called whiny, spoiled bitches for it...nice.

Wardy

I Prefer the ending with Shepard (female) controlling the Reapers cause you see Edi with Joker & you know that the Geth lived... Besides alive or dead, she'll be back one way or another. I want a happy ending for Joker.

Actually, it is possible to earn the 'best' ending without playing multiplayer. However, it neccisitates you do EVERY side quest you ever hear of, and have save data from ME1 and ME2 to get those few extra points that let you scrap through it.

--SPOILER ALERT--

When you're in the final stage of the final mission and your with Anderson facing your common foe, if you don't 'save' anderson, and go neither paragon nor renegade in your options, and let the common foe do what he wants, in the end sheperd ends up living. Tried to write this in a way that would ruin it as little as possible for those who haven't finished it yet.

The series just suffered an anime ending. Great series that just didn't know to close off this trilogy. I didn't think the ending was all bad but could have been a little stronger.

What a mess!

Made my actual reply on the LJ so didn't think reposting it here would be useful ;p

Things people may enjoy:

Well written alternative ending: http://arkis.deviantart.com/#/d4sllwt

Concept that Shepard was being indoctrinated: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynYgr1rqEec

None of it is real but it's fun stuff and makes more sense than what we were presented with.

eh im enjoying it so far ^^;

I've enjoyed the series. While the armor and weps were more detailed in 1, and then dumbed down for the rest of the series, it's gbeen a fun ride. Myself and g/f play, as well as out kids. Our oldest sat and replayed 1 & 2 so that things would be ready for 3. Havent goten that far myself yet, and I've avoided being in the room when g/f plays as to avoid spoilers.

As far as multiplayer goes, I messed around with it during the demo stage, and am considering going to xbox gold to keep doing so. It was pretty fun, or at least a mindless way to pass the time.

For the SW:TOR ranters, they are comming out with new content. ADmittedly some of it is rehash from beta (like the white saber crystal). The advanced preorder crystals if you have the creds, more flash points, war zones, and ops. Personally, I was a little surprised at a lvl 50 cap, but I think DCUO is stil capped at 30. I went back briefly with the release of the GL power set, but it seems like people are focusing on end game content. I still enjoyed my Jedi's story, and am working up a bounty hunter as well.

see,
i don't think this sounds like a good game to me,

one reason, I usually don't really pick up games until there about 5 years old,
then I really talk about them.

considering this is a multiplayer game mostly, i doubt 5 years or later when mass effect 4
comes out I'll be the only one giving a shit,
or everyone will be so overwhelmingly leveled up that I won't have a chance in hell to even
make a smudge in the game to even explain how I felt about the experience.

i like multiplayers, but not that much.

(all I saw was that paragraph, and now I have made up my mind.)

but i will try the first ones,
haven't played 1 or 2 yet,
its been a little over 5 years right?

That's not really how the game is at all. The first two games are strictly single player story-driven experiences. Multiplayer is only a side-option in the third game. Also, ME3 is the last game in the trilogy of the Shepard story. If they do another Mass Effect game, it won't be a sequel.

hmm,
well, in that case, I may check it out later.

still going through a bundle of other games.

heres a simple video of why we all hate the endings

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H_A7SeawU4

also the thread on the bioware fourms has hit like 40,000+ replies

40,000+ replies yes, often from the same very impassioned people, but not me anymore. It would seem that the moderators did not appreciate my post discussing how the elements implemented in this game make it one heck of a commercial for an upcoming MMO. Shorly after that comment I was banned from posting. It doesn't do well to ban people fro sharing their theories.
However my greatest dissapointment, besides the end (and in my opinion a bad end does indeed make a bad game), is that Bioware hasn't made any official statements about any of this. Yes, I know a dev did mention about making the ending unforgettable, but it read too much like a PR stalling letter to me.
As for what I think about the end and why I think it is flawed, well, that would take too much time and I need to study for a test tomorrow (bad me for even reading this today.)

There's currently a theory that the ending was a hallucination... backed up with some surprisingly believable evidence.

The concept? The entire last five minutes is Harbinger attempting to indoctrinate Shep. Which is why the Reapers are portrayed as a good / necessary thing, and destroying them as a renegade (red) action....

I've seen A LOT of people complaining about the end of ME3 and i'm wondering if this is just the case with all long running series? It seems like people wont be happy with any conclusion they get from stuff like this where you've invested a lot of time and personal interest in the characters/story.

On one hand it does maybe the people that make these things never really know how to end em, possibly 'cause they didnt expect a series/story to last this long, or have such a huge following. I could make some comparisons, but more so i just really wonder what everyone expected to happen at the end?

I was able to redeem gamestop points for a free pair of Mass Effect 3 dog-tags. ^^

Well like many people i support that indoctrination theory for the end. I mean there's a fuckton of evidence...if you got no clue what evidence that is look it up on youtube but also gaming sides support that theory giving their top 5 reasons why it is highly possible.