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The De-United States. A possibility... A fracture...
13 years ago
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I was wondering... With the media obsession of this election, the massive amounts of BILLIONS of dollars of unlimited corporate spending to influence politics, the breaking of the separation of church and state with Catholic and Mormon churches pushing millions into politics right out in the open (yet still remaining tax exempt somehow), and the fact that the Red will absolutely NOT work with the Blue...
My question is: What will it take to fracture the USA into 2 or 4 separate, smaller countries?
I know this is hypothetical, but I'm bored... So is it possible in any way?
The term "Too big to fail" does not really come to mind when I think how fucked up and stupid the Federal govt is now. All these other countries in the world are having problems trying to manage a large country from a single point... Our own country barely even looks ten years down the road before passing some dumb law or printing more and more money. Continuing to reward losers that bankrupt companies and politicians that cannot do their jobs yet still get paid for failed policies.
Eventually something will cause a fracturing of the United states, be it a massive devaluing of the US Dollar, or a downright political civil war among some of the possibilities. Right now, a large amount of people feel that the USA is coming to a breaking point of some sort. A lot of the states are starting to think they could do better on their own without federal government interfering.
A 2 part fracture could be north and south or east and west... Though I think it would be more complicated than that.
Here is what I think about a 4 part fracture or De-Uniting States... Whatever happens to cause this fracturing, the south, mainly the southeast states would finally secede from the union like they have always wanted to from New Mexico all the way over to Florida. Then there is the northeast going from Wisconsin and Illinois all the way over to Maine and Delaware. Then there are the middle states Montana to Utah across to Minnesota and Missouri. Lastly, there would be the west coast states: Washington, Oregon, California, Idaho, Arizona, Nevada and most likely Hawaii. Don't know about Alaska... Give em back to Canada I guess.
Now, the big question... Would these separate American countries, actually do better for themselves and their people than when they were all together being run by multiple local and federal governments?
My question is: What will it take to fracture the USA into 2 or 4 separate, smaller countries?
I know this is hypothetical, but I'm bored... So is it possible in any way?
The term "Too big to fail" does not really come to mind when I think how fucked up and stupid the Federal govt is now. All these other countries in the world are having problems trying to manage a large country from a single point... Our own country barely even looks ten years down the road before passing some dumb law or printing more and more money. Continuing to reward losers that bankrupt companies and politicians that cannot do their jobs yet still get paid for failed policies.
Eventually something will cause a fracturing of the United states, be it a massive devaluing of the US Dollar, or a downright political civil war among some of the possibilities. Right now, a large amount of people feel that the USA is coming to a breaking point of some sort. A lot of the states are starting to think they could do better on their own without federal government interfering.
A 2 part fracture could be north and south or east and west... Though I think it would be more complicated than that.
Here is what I think about a 4 part fracture or De-Uniting States... Whatever happens to cause this fracturing, the south, mainly the southeast states would finally secede from the union like they have always wanted to from New Mexico all the way over to Florida. Then there is the northeast going from Wisconsin and Illinois all the way over to Maine and Delaware. Then there are the middle states Montana to Utah across to Minnesota and Missouri. Lastly, there would be the west coast states: Washington, Oregon, California, Idaho, Arizona, Nevada and most likely Hawaii. Don't know about Alaska... Give em back to Canada I guess.
Now, the big question... Would these separate American countries, actually do better for themselves and their people than when they were all together being run by multiple local and federal governments?
I'm just seeing a we all fall together scenario
There's also the wild card: how would the rest of the world respond to one state or region's bid for independence? If the UN recognized an independent state or region in spite of the US government, that could get interesting.
But then again... When was the last time the USA asked for aid from other countries? Usually we are the ones handing out all the freebies and such... So would any other country even give a shit if the USA started massive civil rights violations and such?
The northeast and parts of the midwest will become a moderate-conservative stronghold, tempered a bit by the relatively liberal New England vote. Hawaii might stay with this bunch by default because this is the most likely to use the original US constitution.
The southeast and parts of the midwest (especially MO and KS) will become a deep social conservative stronghold. It remains to be seen if there will be a neo-confederate element involved.
The Southwest and Rocky Mountains will be a bit more socially permissive, tempered by the deep blue counties in New Mexico and Colorado. They'd be joined by Alaska most likely.
The Northwest will be the most solidly left-center, politically very much like Sweden or Finland. California will be split between the Southwest and Northwest.
Of these, the Southeast and Northwest have the most active independence movements. In the Southeast far-right Neo-confederate groups have a small but loyal following, but there are many of them and it would take an organized coalition to create a coherent independence movement.
The identity of the dominant, left-anarchist Cascadia independence movement in the northwest is much more solid, but there's a lack of planning and direction that stymies the movement. There is also a far-right group here, the Northwest Front, but they likely number less than 1,000 and aren't considered a credible movement by anyone outside their own ranks.