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Need some opinions from friends in the US.
13 years ago
*adjusts hir blouse before starting*
Greetings everyone, what I am asking my friends down south is actually a bit of information created by an author to be a part of the narritive of his book. it is all completely Fictional so please don't try to tell me I'm getting history wrong or something I know its not. just how the author wrote it... it sounded... plausiable even if history tells us its completely impossible. now to begin.
In the Clive Clusster(sp) Story Sahara(sp) It is mentioned early on that the crew of the Ironside found by the heros at the end of the book (and the movie) had a very simple reason why the conderate vessal got away, in the novel that reason unlike in the movie was that onboard was a kidnapped ABE LINCOLN!
In the novel if i remember correctly, towards the end of the war a rogue element of the confed army snuck up to Washington and kidnapped the present to use as a hostage to escape with all the gold and such (as shown with gold in the movie and novel.) as it was after they got away they apparently assissanted dear old honest abe and for some reason kept the corpse to show off later i guess.
in the novel, as this event happened towards the end of the war the US government at the time to continue and finish it (with the north winning) they effectively hire a body double. someone who looked and sounded so much like Lincoln that no one would know and that man did all the big speaches and all. when the war ended the government needed to tie off all the loose ends so they apparently hired a hitman to go into the theatre at the play and as real history teachs us blow the poor man away so now one will find out 'fake lincoln' is not the real macoy. all sounds good right?
not so much, at the end of the book with the finding of the shipwreck of the Ironside, and Mr. Lincoln's body it all suddenly becomes public knowledge what actually happened towards the end of the US Civial War and how... in a sense the south kinda won because of this. (depends on if you want to take that it would be the military leaders needing to say we lost or not i guess.)
now as i said, I know this is all ... completely fictional there is NO way in hell this could be true but I am wanting to leave a question to all my friends as i want to know YOUR opinion.. if.. IF somehow this was in fact true, if this wasn't a completely made up story and suddenly the present President of the United Sates Barak Obama suddenly came out and much like in the book anounced that history was like that, with poor honest abe being killed and all before the end of the war, AND that they found the shipwreck and all that jazz..
I am kinda curious... with how the US has grown up as a nation to what it is right now. how you all have grown up knowing it... how would you react to this new? how would you think the country would react to it?
I mean no offence to anyone, I don't mean to harm feelings in anyway... just am curious
Sincerely, hoping for your answers soon.
Silkpaws.
Greetings everyone, what I am asking my friends down south is actually a bit of information created by an author to be a part of the narritive of his book. it is all completely Fictional so please don't try to tell me I'm getting history wrong or something I know its not. just how the author wrote it... it sounded... plausiable even if history tells us its completely impossible. now to begin.
In the Clive Clusster(sp) Story Sahara(sp) It is mentioned early on that the crew of the Ironside found by the heros at the end of the book (and the movie) had a very simple reason why the conderate vessal got away, in the novel that reason unlike in the movie was that onboard was a kidnapped ABE LINCOLN!
In the novel if i remember correctly, towards the end of the war a rogue element of the confed army snuck up to Washington and kidnapped the present to use as a hostage to escape with all the gold and such (as shown with gold in the movie and novel.) as it was after they got away they apparently assissanted dear old honest abe and for some reason kept the corpse to show off later i guess.
in the novel, as this event happened towards the end of the war the US government at the time to continue and finish it (with the north winning) they effectively hire a body double. someone who looked and sounded so much like Lincoln that no one would know and that man did all the big speaches and all. when the war ended the government needed to tie off all the loose ends so they apparently hired a hitman to go into the theatre at the play and as real history teachs us blow the poor man away so now one will find out 'fake lincoln' is not the real macoy. all sounds good right?
not so much, at the end of the book with the finding of the shipwreck of the Ironside, and Mr. Lincoln's body it all suddenly becomes public knowledge what actually happened towards the end of the US Civial War and how... in a sense the south kinda won because of this. (depends on if you want to take that it would be the military leaders needing to say we lost or not i guess.)
now as i said, I know this is all ... completely fictional there is NO way in hell this could be true but I am wanting to leave a question to all my friends as i want to know YOUR opinion.. if.. IF somehow this was in fact true, if this wasn't a completely made up story and suddenly the present President of the United Sates Barak Obama suddenly came out and much like in the book anounced that history was like that, with poor honest abe being killed and all before the end of the war, AND that they found the shipwreck and all that jazz..
I am kinda curious... with how the US has grown up as a nation to what it is right now. how you all have grown up knowing it... how would you react to this new? how would you think the country would react to it?
I mean no offence to anyone, I don't mean to harm feelings in anyway... just am curious
Sincerely, hoping for your answers soon.
Silkpaws.
Even without Lincoln's body or a stockpile of gold, if a confederate iron clad was found in Africa, there'd be a push to bring it back home to display.
Those of us who are liberals would see how the story'd been covered up invariably protecting a batch of fairly wealthy white dudes;
Those of us who are conservatives would scream bloody murder about Obama's even just mentioning it, and how the end of slavery was some sort of left-wing plot fostered on the country in order to wreck ordinary people;
People in Texas especially, although parts of the CSA and possibly bits of the West Coast, would talk about secession and then do nothing (there are some real advantages to being part of a big, powerful country);
Donald Trump would be loud and douchey;
Most of us, regardless of political alignment, would view it as something which we couldn't do anything about, and it would invariably continue doing our own things.
Plus there would be those crying out "Well, if they kept this secret what else have they kept from us?"
Me, it wouldn't make much difference.
All over the country, there would be massive outcry.
Lasting all of half an hour.
Fans of the Confederacy would definitely want to salvage the ship and build an entire museum around that one wrecked ship.
But to most, it would be an historical hiccup, with life resuming as normal, as before within a very short time.
A large portion of the population would only hear of it in passing and think it is a bad movie plot aka "Abraham Lincoln, Vampire hunter".
The folks who actually listen to the news and believe it will wonder what it means for the US.... and after much angst, figure out that it makes no difference.
Yes, there would be some who would celebrate and there would be some that morn but it would not restart the war or anything else stupid.
In the end, it would be one more paragraph in a history book..... that most kids would never see because thier school is using text books from 1970.
As a foot note, there were at least two well known plots to kidnap Lincoln toward the end of the war. History says they failed, but ........ :)
[Not to mention the plot to steal Lincoln's body..... which also failed..... according to history..... ]
BOO
losers.
Booth succeeded largely because he was on such familure ground and because Lincoln's security was criminally lax.
Of course is security was being run by the secretary of war at the time..... and guess who would have had a pretty good chance at taking over if the plot had fully succeeded? Just to throw a cookie to the conspiricy nuts. [Yes, I know who should have taken over, but at the time, Sec of War Stanton had all the cards and under the circumstances could have thrown the US into martial law..... and nobody would have questioned it.]
Obama has driven such a huge wedge between the Republicans and the Democrats that I think there is absolutely no chance for cooperation between the two. Obama has been focusing on the ideological differences between the two groups and amplifying the differences of opinion. If he isn't planting the seeds of another "political upheaval" then I don't know what to expect.
And as for the Lincoln conspiracy thing... I think it is fairly moot. The war was ended and the "United states" survived. Lincoln said many times that he didn't care whether or not the slaves were freed, All he wanted was to do what ever was necessary to insure the survival of the Country as a whole.
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Lincoln
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"Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable, a most sacred right—a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government, may chose to exercise it. Any portion of such people that can, may revolutionize, and make their own, of so much territory as they inhabit." — Abraham Lincoln, 1848
He also noted in that same letter; ""I have here stated my purpose according to my views of official duty and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men everywhere could be free."
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