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Winner has been chosen! Raffle officially ended. ^^
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Phew, okies! So the 1111 Raffle has officially concluded, a winner has been chosen and has given me their contact information, and a way for me to pay them. And I have sent them $1111.00! :3 After talking with them some, I found out that the money is going to a great cause, and I'm incredibly happy with that! ^^
From all the large amount of attention this raffle has gotten, both negative and positive. The person that did win gave me a lot of very legitimate reasons for keeping their name anonymous, and I feel that is the best thing to do, so that other furries don't bother them, and that their name isn't slandered by some of the more upset furries claiming that this raffle/giveaway was a hoax, and claiming that the winner was "in on it".
Whenever I started this raffle, my only intention was to giveaway $1111.00 to a random furry that entered, and I have succeeded in doing so. ^^! I do feel like doing more raffles in the future, but I think I may take a break for awhile, because goodness, this one wound up being a doozy! :3
I have been contacted by a site Admin about the legitimacy of this raffle, and after exchanging many notes and evidence between both me and the winner. The Furaffinity Administration came to the conclusion that this was a legitimate giveaway.
As quoted here by
carmen :
"ADMIN NOTICE: Upon staff review of the evidence, we have come to the conclusion that the contest was legitimate, a winner was chosen, and money was transferred to the appropriate recipient.
We will not name anyone."
I understand that many of you have been upsetted by the fact that you find it hard to believe that a furry would giveaway $1111.00 out of the kindness of his heart to another person that he's never met. But I'm just a derpy dog I guess, that really wanted to make someone happy. And I did get something from the $1111.00, I got to feel really super good knowing that I helped someone else out. Which is selfish in a way, but knowing that I was able to make someone happy instead of spending that money on myself, makes me happy! ^^
I hope all of you furries had a wonderful holiday, and a happy new year. ^^ And if any of you want to talk to me in person about this raffle, (And don't want to just hit me on the head with a bottle and say "Rawrrr!") I'll be at FC in around a week from now. ^^! So if you're going, and feel like talking, note me! I'm quite the friendly guy. :P
From all the large amount of attention this raffle has gotten, both negative and positive. The person that did win gave me a lot of very legitimate reasons for keeping their name anonymous, and I feel that is the best thing to do, so that other furries don't bother them, and that their name isn't slandered by some of the more upset furries claiming that this raffle/giveaway was a hoax, and claiming that the winner was "in on it".
Whenever I started this raffle, my only intention was to giveaway $1111.00 to a random furry that entered, and I have succeeded in doing so. ^^! I do feel like doing more raffles in the future, but I think I may take a break for awhile, because goodness, this one wound up being a doozy! :3
I have been contacted by a site Admin about the legitimacy of this raffle, and after exchanging many notes and evidence between both me and the winner. The Furaffinity Administration came to the conclusion that this was a legitimate giveaway.
As quoted here by
carmen :"ADMIN NOTICE: Upon staff review of the evidence, we have come to the conclusion that the contest was legitimate, a winner was chosen, and money was transferred to the appropriate recipient.
We will not name anyone."
I understand that many of you have been upsetted by the fact that you find it hard to believe that a furry would giveaway $1111.00 out of the kindness of his heart to another person that he's never met. But I'm just a derpy dog I guess, that really wanted to make someone happy. And I did get something from the $1111.00, I got to feel really super good knowing that I helped someone else out. Which is selfish in a way, but knowing that I was able to make someone happy instead of spending that money on myself, makes me happy! ^^
I hope all of you furries had a wonderful holiday, and a happy new year. ^^ And if any of you want to talk to me in person about this raffle, (And don't want to just hit me on the head with a bottle and say "Rawrrr!") I'll be at FC in around a week from now. ^^! So if you're going, and feel like talking, note me! I'm quite the friendly guy. :P
Good luck to everyone who enters. ^^
Happy new year. :)
Happy New Year.
and HAPPY NEW YEARRR !!
Happy New Year! :>
It was a comment was for KrisPup only.
So newsflash, the truth hurts!
I feel as if I am going about it just right.
that does not mean be rude to the people who entered it. and some of the comments toward people who have /nothing to do with it/ or /were comppletely unsuspecting it/ are down right mean.
Bring it up with the people who are being rude. Not me. I am expressing my opinion.
Love it or shove it.
We are voicing our opinion and you just have a problem with it.
I have to wonder how some can believe a winner was chosen just because a blank account with no good credibility attached is supposed to be taken seriously. Screenshots can be manipulated but a livestream video showing the actual web pages can't; if the transaction was made via the internet though. People cannot be expected to believe anything if there's no proof. I honestly feel that this was a scam just to get watchers and to spam the inboxes of others. There were a few things fishey about this that leads me to believe that.
Jesus, I get that some of you fucks are bitter, resentful shitheads, but stop raging at a free raffle that cost you and everyone else nothing to enter.
Just massive spam, site lag, and a complete AUP change that ruined Raffles for everyone.
Uhuh, totally no reason to be pissed if we went through all that for nothing.
No, I'm just a bystander waiting for the inevitable public burning that will happen if he doesn't come through with a winner.
But as I've said before, there's still a chance for this to go either way.
I'm still going to do art raffles myself, but there were a lot of really talented artists who deserve way more watchers and business who used raffles as a way to get to get their name out there. Really too bad...I always loved art raffles.
There is no way that somebody is going to get $1K off this guy as he wont even pay the other half of the commission he owes to my girlfriend -.-
Might I add its a measly $15, we have been noting him for months still no reply.
Interesting...
But I agree here. I can almost guarantee that it'll be a friend, he'll make an ALT account, or say he's not going to announce the winner publicly to "prevent drama" (seen that one done before).
Hey guys, contacted the winner privately BUT SOMEONE WON I PROMISE!
But I digress. I'm withholding judgement until further notice. This could go either direction at this time.
Oh the things I can dig up and nothing happened yet :3
"Update: I've note'd the raffle winner with details on how to claim their prize and will be withholding their name until they've responded."
not sure why you gotta wait for someone to respond just to announce them the winner however
I doubt they're ever going to announce a name.
And months to wait for $15?? That's just absurd.
Exactly. He's not an artist, he's not making money off of his watchers.
Sooo, who cares how many he has? It's just a number on a website. Everyone here knows it's inflated and once the raffle ends many will most likely stop watching him anyway. It's fake fame, so at the end of the day it really doesn't matter.
Just be proud of the watchers you earn for "legit" reasons and move on. "Buying watchers" is really the smallest potential issue with this raffle and it's sad that people still associate watcher count with popularity. It's just a number.
Christmas was over a week ago.
That would take no more than an hour, maybe two tops. Not 5 days.
But as I've been telling people. I withhold judgement until further notice. It hasn't even been a week yet. If another week goes by and there still aren't results, then I'll be more than inclined to called shenanigans.
If a winner is actually chosen, and it's proven it's not an ALT of his or a friend of some kind, and everything seems to check out, then I'll redact what I've said about this whole thing.
Didn't think so.
Seems an angry furry or major dickhead or a possible fail troll wanna start drama for his amusement. And I have a clue at who doing it lol
He closed it on New Years, a short time later, even though technically it could have gone on for however long. You have to give something patience and time when someone is giving away something for free, gosh golly bark.
Right there he was going to close it right on Christmas not on New Years. If someone was so dedicated towards a raffle he should have all this planned out from the beginning otherwise he's just throwing empty promises like nothing to those who entered.
It says "Thinking". That doesn't mean he would. That only means there is a possibility.
Oh well.
Inb4 it's his money blah blah
That is, if this is legit. Let's also face the fact that this could be a hoax as well.
And yes, it could indeed be hoax. For all we know, 3000+ idiots took part in an experiment to see how desperate and/or gullible people are. Or perhaps, he's studying the comments and analyzing people's reactions to the raffle.
Personally, knowing the red flags and far from being gullible, I never entered. I, like many others, am merely here to see the outcome of all of this.
Buying friends also never works out in the end.
But bying watchers or friends wont work indeed; wether or not this is such case remains to be seen, but I wont fret it myself. If this is a scam, all it cost me was to pay attention to this page for a while, it's not like I had to pay entrance fee. :> And then I'd know what username and character to avoid in the future. And if it's not a scam, it's great. Kind of a win-win situation, imo.
If it turns out to be a scam raffle then I'd expect the admins to ban the account, no big deal.
If it turns out to be legit, then cool?
Regardless, it is illegal to run raffles in the state of GA without the state's consent and there are many red flags, such as the source of funds and taxation issues, that 3000+ furs overlooked when they entered this raffle.
No, they're just kidding around. Please learn the definition of "troll".
Man, furries are so quick to use that word for about anything.
reading this and I have noted you that you have won, please get back to me!"
Seeing the profiles of some of the people who got in the raffle, wouldn't surprise me one bit if someone won who only gets on FA every other week or some odd time. I mean there were a lot of low activity users that jumped in on this it would look like.
Don't ask, because I won't tell. I just feel sorry for all of you.
And female, thanks. If you're going to dog my comments, at least have the decency to inquire the correct proverb.
Nothing I've said is "trolling" at all, trolling is spam or spouting random offensive slurs/phrases the rule people. Everything I've said is a legit question or speculation.
Excuse my typos.
And I apologize for not looking into your profile to see your gender and used the generic 'he' because internet.
Also you're trying to get a rise out of people by claiming falsehoods because you aren't satisfied that the raffle isn't progressing fast enough for you, therefore trolling.
Second off, my comments are not intended to upset people whatsoever. I people want to be upset and angry because I'm a neigh-sayer (Horsie neigh, indeed), then that's on them. It's not my fault people can't handle opposing views without being upset about it.
I suck today.
Looks like someone played you.
People can either believe or disbelieve. It'll only be a matter of time before this whole thing caves in anyways.
If this is fake I lose nothing and I un-watch. I didn't get my hopes up but I am a bit disappointed
http://i.imgur.com/XlFdHj9.jpg
This got interesting.
Not shopped. The guy talking to Kris made two screenshots the one being spread right now is to show his skype username.
I am not the source of this image. It's a cross-post. A retweet. A reblog. Like/subscribe. +1. etc.
I didn't make it.
plus you know, it should be common sense a stranger isn't going to just give you over $1000.
love this
It is not so easy to claim that a raffle is still a thing after the maker of the raffle comes out and states that it wasn't real.
See the difference? Two different ways it could play out, there isn't really a way to defend a 'lie' if the person who created it comes out and states that it is indeed a lie.
This took me like 10 minutes to make.
http://i.imgur.com/5I4ljjb.png?1
TL;DR: unless you are an approved non-profit organization within the state of Georgia, operating a cash raffle in the state of Georgia is illegal.
and then lets not forget on top of that, despite the legallity of the situation, any winner that receives said money would have to pay TAXES on that money. Money that probably isn't even completely his to begin with.
I'm done with ya. FOH with this noise.
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/7920664/
This pretty clearly outlines how it is a photoshop. http://i.imgur.com/cPYz6Fe.png
The process used was by sending Kris a friend request, then having a conversation with someone whose name is "Kris Pup" then photoshopping the conversation on top of the screen that says "you haven't shared contact details with this person yet."
I hope this clears up the misunderstanding ^^
The only way you can prove it is by live recording the chat. That way it cant be edited.
Sorry pet peeve XD
Ahem. Regardless though I highly doubt a live effort can be staged. But again I won't be one to judge (him) but I will freely judge everyone going around thinking they have 100% undeniable evidence. A screenshot isn't proof. (sometime it is, sometime it isn't) I say that because I have been in raffles where they do a live drawing for the winner.
And if what you say is true about him being in the hospital. I hate to say it but now that gonna rile up these trolls, butthurt furries, self entitled jockies who believe they are right just because a screenshot says so, even more than now. D:
I bet you all fell for the Prince wanting to give you a million dollars, too.
Of course it could be a rumor, though, but if he were 17, that'd be great.
But as you said, I don't have proof of it, so I guess it doesn't matter.
But 17, or 19, one with a little sense would question where all this money is from, and be wary of accepting it. How do we know this isn't his parents'/family's money and you're getting yourself into some huge family drama?
But, I'm still waiting.
Cause some trolls to get butthurt though? Are you saying he purposely made this raffle to cause drama? If so, not so good :/
Oh man, and I sent him $10,000 for him to be able to sort all the legal stuff out. I feel cheated!
On a side note, how does a 19 year old have the funds to just give out over $1000? That is what confuses me the most lol xD
He's been commissioning some of the fandom's most expensive artists as well.
That Wolfy-Nail comic was $500 roughly.
I mean, he can spend his money on what he wants, and it's nice he supports artists by commissioning them, but it's very weird that a teenager has so much money he can just throw around. Several thousand in the past few months seems a bit excessive xD;
Same here, I don't care if he spends it on what he wants. Even though there's like a dozen smarter things for a teenager to invest it in. But like, how is it completely overlooked as to where this money is even from?
I wouldn't be comfortable accepting it if I won it, that's for sure.
But I can understand some people being cautious as to where this money is coming from. For all they know, he could be taking it from family, or be on some sort of wealth fare benefits and such. I'm not sure how things work in America, but some people in Britain bum off the benefit system and can earn a stupid amount of money from tax payers xD Or he could have a nice paying job, I just don't know, so I shant be judging :]
Though I didn't enter because I just can't see the point in the raffle at all. What was the point in even holding something that was bound to cause so much drama? But hey ho! He can do what he likes online :]
Dunno about everyone else, but watching the White Knights and the Haters argue with one another about this raffle is rather amusing.
http://i.imgur.com/XlFdHj9.jpg
^ Evidence that its a scam. ^
That image is fake. Your girlfriend was paid and Kris took care of the misunderstanding. I think you should stop your trolling and calm down, that image is an obvious photoshop and it doesn't help anyone to have such a bad attitude.
Doesnt bother me much, I'm just here following all the spewing crap from this sewer of a journal.
Below you should see how terrible of an attempt this is to discredit Kris and everyone would appreciate if people would quit trying to spread it. A lot of people in this thread are trolling / dissenters and have been for quite some time, I would say it's almost borderline harassment at this time as people rally behind such things.
http://i.imgur.com/cPYz6Fe.png
It is not proof. The end. \o/
Somehow, he brought about the worst in people. Everyone wanted some free cash, but now so many people super butthurt because they're not getting anything. I'm pretty sure that is a prime example of self entitlement.
This is all just silly.
I just wait and sit in the back and rait for the verdict. I won't claim a verdict then cock walk thinking I'm right.
And yeah it is very silly.
Maybe you should create a new journal instead of updating one that is over a week old and has likely been deleted from people's journal listings.
Oh by the way he is in the hospital because he had a heart attack from all this hate and is in the ER. : (
19 year olds just dont have heart attacks.
Kris doesn't have a gender on his profile. Never has.
He's also always had a pic, and the suspect chat has no picture.
I think the real problem here is that one, this raffle is not legal and was full of red flags which were not addressed, such as the source of funds, tax info, raffle end date, etc., and two, the holder has done a very poor job of maintaining public relations. He created a journal and had 1000s of people watch him and spam the journal, and then he disappeared, not taking the time to respond to questions/criticism. It also doesn't help that instead of creating a new journal to announce that there is indeed a winner, he has simply updated this journal, which is a week old and has likely been deleted by most people whom have watched him. To me, that is quite odd and quite suspicious. One minute, he's amped up and in everyone's face, and the next, he's gone low key. I know that he's taking a lot of crap from disgruntled furs, but if you're going to host something like this, you need to expect that and follow through, remain professional and keep your new watchers in the loop at all times.
It caused massive spam and ruined Raffles to gain watchers for people who don't have many and want to work to gain more
It caused butt tons of drama
It caused fighting
It's not even legal in his state
Whether he proves someone legit won or not, how is he going to enjoy Cons now? People who don't know about this raffle are few and far between and will likely bug him and/or hunt him down about it
It was run poorly as ever and is being dragged out going on 2 weeks now (Because a winner was supposed to be chosen on Christmas eve)
And first and foremost, this is an art site. No place for such a raffle anyhow.
This is an art site, if it was raffling off art. Then it would be one thing. But no, he's raffling off money. What does that have to do with art at all?
Same thing with that PS4 raffle that went on.
Run that on Tumblr or Twitter or something.
I could care less about Krispup, the winner, the drama, the new rules here on FA, the fighting, the spam, etc. The problem I have is that 3000+ idiot furs entered this raffle without knowing the laws and red flags associated with such Internet raffles.
One, it's not legal for him to run a raffle without state-issued licensing and other paperwork. I am 99% certain that he doesn't have it. Two, there are tons of red flags that could land the potential winner in hot water. The source of the funds matters a lot. If source of funding is illegal, then the winner is now part of something illegal. Kris is a person with no real public face or credibility and he's not an organization and thus, does not have lawyers to back him up in running this lottery/raffle/sweepstakes/whatever-the-fuck-you-want-to-call-it. Three, is taxation. This is a big deal. The winner has to pay taxes on an amount of money that large and has to claim it as a source of income. Without the proper information from the raffle holder, the government could find your 1111 dollars suspicious and that could land you an audit or worse.
Think about it. If any of the above came true for the winner, think of how the winner would feel and think about the shit-storm of drama the above would cause within the community.
People really need to educate themselves before they throw themselves at things like this and possible put themselves in danger.
More information here: http://sarafhawkins.com/blog-law-is.....iveaway-legal/
And here: http://www.gambling-law-us.com/State-Laws/Georgia/
And here: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5283222/
It would seem only the winner would need to be concerned paying taxes, same as any other contest winner.
Second, I ask myself, when I enter a contest or raffle anywhere else, am I responsible for checking if they have permits, where they get their money from etc? Would this be different on FA?
Of the 3 links attached, only one is almost relevant. It's a link to Georgia legal code and I see nothing about raffles.
I suggest being careful about dispensing legal or tax advice; there might some legal issues with that.
It's not some super secret law of Raffles or something.
Secondly, to answer your question: yes. I'd avoid online raffles altogether because they have huge potential to be shady, or illegal.
And yes, always check TOS, rules, fine print, etc when entering any raffle. That...shouldn't even need to be answered.
Bingo.
Nice try though.
>Ask me if I do something
>Accuse me of lying because it's not the answer you wanted to hear
The raffle itself is BS just in the way it was written. No where in the raffle journal did it mention an end date, tax info, age credentials, location credentials, etc. These are things that have to be there to be a legal contest where money is given away. These are government requirements. Other than with this raffle, when was the last time you entered a raffle where it didn't ask you your age or birth date? That is something that is required that was lacking from his raffle journal.
I won a small contest in the past held by Alienware and though I did not win money or a prize valued at a huge amount, I still had to fill out, sign and have notarized, a sweepstakes affidavit. This is for taxation purposes and I want to add, that I was required to give my SSN to verify that I was eligible to win.
Alienware is a corporation with a public identity. Alienware has a webpage, they build computers, they have stock, they have employees, they have an e-mail, a phone number, an address. Kris, is a man whom most of us do not know anything about. He has no real public face, he's a man with an online alias. There is no real name, address, phone, e-mail, etc. attached to Krispup. Corporations have strong public identities and have lawyers to represent them with taxation and other legal issues. These lawyers also write up any documentation that needs to be signed by both parties to make a contest legit. Now, this doesn't mean that all "supposed corporations" are real and legit, no, you still need to use good judgement before you enter anything, especially things asking for personal information. Do your research before giving out info. Kris did not ask for any personal information in his journal, but if you were the winner, he'd need some sort of information from you. The question is, what information and what will he do with it once he has it?
Too assume that Kris is just out to do good is ridiculous. Like I mentioned in my journal, if you win and he says he's going to give you a check, but needs information and you fill it out, he now has that info and can do nasty things with it. You'd be really stupid to give you information to someone without a public identity because it opens up all sorts of nasty avenues for fraud and other illegal activities.
As far as taxes are concerned, yes, it's the winners problem, but who wants it to be their problem? If things are not handled properly, it's a big deal, one that no one wants to deal with. I honestly do not for a second believe that even half of the people whom entered this raffle even thought about the taxes they would have to pay on the winnings and that is dangerous. People saw a journal, they saw dollar signs and then, mob mentality set in and 3000+ furries entered the raffle and created spam journals of their own. All the things I listed in my journal are valid and common sense, but sadly, when mob mentality kicks in, common sense is often over looked and that, to me, is the biggest problem of all.
This is true. If there is no money, then there is no real harm done, no money lost, just time. But, still, that's 3000+ furries whom did not bother to think about the implications of winning an illegal raffle. That's 3000+ furries whom gave into mob mentality and lost their ability to think things through.
And, even if there is no money to be given away, that doesn't mean that he's not trying to trick the potential winner to gain information from that person, whether to use it for fraud or sell it, etc. 3000+ furries should not have assumed that the raffle holder had good intentions.
If Kris wanted to give away money, why not throw a party and give away bills at MFF or FC? That would have cut down on a lot of drama and suspicion.
The only reason I am watching this journal is because I want people to be informed and educated on this matter.
It's just a dick thing to do. I know quite a few people who actually really wanted that money because of troubles they were having.
Yea sure, they knew their chances were slim, but still.
It's just all around a dick move. Wave around a ton of money to gain attention and watchers.
And saying nothing about it would implicate that this kind of behavior is okay.
Anyhow, there are much better ways to become a popufur, such as throwing a party at a con and buying furs drinks, or giving them the money in person so they can spend it as they wish. I think that would have gone down better than this terrible raffle idea.
And indeed. I'm going to remain neutral and curious untill something turns up here and not in some "legit screenshots". :>
ADMIN NOTICE: Upon staff review of the evidence, we have come to the conclusion that the contest was legitimate, a winner was chosen, and money was transferred to the appropriate recipient.
We will not name anyone.
I just wanted to see a result and there was a catalyst. I took the chance and now there is closure. I think.
I apologize for my accusations of it being fake. But my statements that this raffle should not have ever been conducted, or allowed, remain.
Least I made some new friends out of it.
But what law should be used on the internet and especially if the winner is not from USA?
Okay, so that's how it'll be then.
A Raffle that has nothing to do with art, does not belong being held on an art site. That being said, I don't know what would need to happen if the user is from another country. I'm sure the US is not the only country that requires taxes be paid on money acquired in such a way.
I'm not arguing anymore. If people don't know these things, then feel free to look it up. You have the internet in front of you.
So.. no one got the money then.
P.s. thanks for the watch by the way :3
But your welcome!!
:D you seem pretty cool ^^
You are also awesome! And I love your art :3
Also, it wasnt even a valid raffle because he never gave out numbers.
I feel like making a journal letting others now that its apparently over.
This guy went out of his way to do something nice for the hell of it, and what happens? He gets half-condemned, and the other half called out for it. I think it's a great thing you did and the haters really need to consider, oh I dunno, shutting the hell up and waiting for a definite conclusion before they jump anyone's ass? Maybe? And people telling you what to do with your money? Are they your accountants? No. Oi, can't even be nice in this world anymore without someone being a dick in response.
Let me explain it to you.
You hyped the hell out of this contest and then dragged it out. At the last second you announced there was a winner then nothing. You seemed to abandon your account for a while. When you finally showed up you told everyone that the winner was going to remain anonymous. This gave the appearance that it was cruel joke.
It had nothing to do with wither or not we believed a fur would give away money.
White Knighting
In forum parlance, it means rushing to the aid of another poster for whatever reason. An accusation typically reserved for when a poster is being hammered by another poster(s) and the accused leaps in to defend them, usually without thinking things through as to why the person is being attacked.
White Knighting is seen as an act of foolishness. Typically it is preformed by fanboys of an artists or forum poster.
So : )
How old are you, 12?
Now stop bothering me. You're ignorance of how the internet works is tiresome to me.
Ultimately, you're a "troll" who is trying to make people feel bad on the Internet. Unless you can prove your claims?
He was saying WHY PEOPLE WERE UPSET. And what he said was exactly right. You just flipped out because you thought yet another person was calling it a scam.
I mean seriously the last sentence was this It had nothing to do with wither or not we believed a fur would give away money.
So stop white knighting. Because that's what you're doing. He's just stating why people were upset. Calm down. You immediately saw an unsavory comment, didn't even properly read it, and then went auto defensive.
White knights do that often.
HERE he said nothing about a scam and it was confirmed by him. I am completely aware of the facts, they aren't relevant as I'm commenting on THIS PARTICULAR COMMENT.
It's already been proven, it's over. I have no reason to "black knight" (if that even is a thing). In fact, I was one of the ones who initially entered this raffle and as such I do agree.
His reasons were correct. People WERE upset by how long it took. The fact that there is no name is shady (that's not saying it's a scam. It's apparently not. that's right there and proven, but it still LOOKS WEIRD and that's what he was saying) and it took a little longer than people expected.
He was only saying why people were upset AFTER THE RAFFLE ENDED. Not stating anything about a scam. That's all. Now in other comments, then yes. Go ahead. If he's still saying it's a scam then more power to ya. I am in your corner there seeing as how there's clearly an admin at the top of the page. There's not much anyone can do at this point anyway.
But right here and right now there was no talk of a scam, only talk of why people ended up angry after the verdict was over and as someone who was a little irritated towards the end, I can verify that his reasonings were correct. It has nothing to do with whether or not he or I thought it was a scam.
"cool story, kris was at FWA, TFF, FC, and MFF back to back, has been uploading art, etc. I'm pretty sure this is all a huge non-issue but let's drudge it up again ok "
This is a very concise and strong statement, yet I'm a "white knight" because I said it, which is fine. In general, people defend righteous causes. The post was updated several times commenting on how he was waiting for the winner, as soon the person got in touch with him the admins came in and verified it, then that was the end. There hasn't been a lot of non-art commission activity after the point because of the fact there are people waiting to freak out about anything, but Krispup has been to most of the recent big conventions.
Anyway, you can see things as you want, however, differing opinions doesn't mean they're wrong.
Again, the key point is that Eddy had recently replied to a few posts trying to drudge this, what to me is a non-issue, back up.
You're giving a solution. That's fine. There's a reason why he was gone. There was things he was doing. You're still trying to say people are here trying to say the dude is wrong.
The point still stood, he WAS gone (even though there was a reason for it), there still is no one stated to be the winner as it's still anonymous (that still looks shady despite that admin saying it's legit. The point is how it looks and why people got upset initially), and these are the exact reasons why people were upset.
Yes, there are reasons for each of these problems. Those have been established. I will also conceed it was weird for him to make this statement, as true as it is, months after the fact.
But my point is, NEITHER OF YOU ARE WRONG. Yet here you are defending a statement from someone who only pointed out what obviously happened. We all now know WHY these things happened, but the simple fact of the matter is they did. You can't sit here and dispute it because we all saw it happening and you're giving reasons as to why.
That's it. That's all.
Just pointing out the obvious. No fighting. No finger pointing. No trying to drudge up anything bad because what he was stating was very true. If you didn't like it...well too bad cuz it already happened. He's just stating the obvious. That's it.
But i'm not saying anyone was wrong. Just saying, this comment chain wasn't about a scam. All dude was saying was "Well, this is why people were upset at the end. Let me list the reasons." That's all.
But it still doesn't delete the fact that before all of that proof was shown, that was exactly why I was irritated. Now, sure, the irritation's gone and i was just bouncing on here because someone mentioned it in conversation and I just so happened to want to see what happened, but before everything this dude stated as for why people were irritated was true.
That's all I was saying.