OK I have that channel and it's gonna be on in the morning my time. 10 until 11. I need to get up in time :) I guess I will go to bed very early tomorrow night since I want to see you! I wanna see you anywhere else but the Net this time, hehe.

I wanna congratulate you on getting a place on that show =D

"I wanna congratulate you on getting a place on that show"
Getting on Dr. Phil isn't exactly a good thing...like going on Jerry Springer or Maury.

I wanted to go on there about fam matters. I needed some genuine help, but I actually wanted help, so they weren't interested in me since I told them I wanted least drama as possible. (was being sued and disowned from fam due to fam means not furry) Getting on the show for being weird is not hard at all.

They don't want to help you - they want to parade your issue on public TV for people's entertainment and claim they want to help you.

I have seen them help people. I had no choice. i think if you're being disowned by fam and sued and they assume you killed someone you would do what you can to help yourself.. this was my way of reaching out. It didn't work out since they didn't want to go on and I didn't want to do a jerry Springer on the show.

Shows like this have no legal obligation to help people out. They sometimes give after care but that's so if the situation gets better, they can bring them back on for a 'feel good' story, or if it gets worse, they can parade them around some more.

The only thing these shows care about is impressing the network, sponsors and advertisers and will quite happily exploit the desperate and vulnerable to do so. By going on a show like this, you only end up making you and your situation more noticeable to a lot more people and that rarely helps.

There's a saying: "If you're in the shit, don't sing about it." That strongly applies to shows like Dr Phil.

sometimes certain cases they do help people. Seen it

its better then sitting on my ass not doing anything. I didn't go on but it would have been worth it

It's a reality television show - they just want views.

You want actual help, you talk to an actual psychologist who will respect your privacy.

I don't regret what I did. I don't believe in speaking to a psychologist they make things worse and don't solve anything.

<i> I don't believe in speaking to a psychologist they make things worse and don't solve anything.</i>

While a psychologist might not be the ideal treatment for everyone, I wonder if you're just talking out of your ass here or if you actually have consulted one before? Just asking because 99% of the people who say that have never actually tried, or are basing what they say on something they have not experienced themselves, or have consulted one and they happened to be the one rotten apple between the good ones.

Html fail, heh

the help I needed was group therapy at the time and when speaking top him they would have offered me FREE therapy for the family, since they needed it. You have no idea the crap I dealt with a year ago. It was some major stuff that needed intervention. Everyone and all my friends were very supportive with the decisions I made. Not like I never tried anything to help myself.

I have tried it and it didn't work for me. I have tried at least two to three and you need a lot of money for a good one. They do tend to make things WORSE for me. If it works for someone else then good for them

I know, but I don't want any hating going on here. The show hasn't even aired up and everyone's still getting up in arms.

Thanks JaSonic, you're right, no need for hating.

Well for me I love being a positive hedgehog. Everyone who hates on here, just consider them trolls, okay?

Thanks JaSonic, and I'm glad that you got to see it, since you didn't have Tosh.0 to see live.

They interviewed me for hours and over many letters before the show, all about my whole life as a Dog.

Boomer

Oh, nice. :) I hope all positive letters.

I'm glad that you like it JaSonic, and it was nice of Dr. Phil to consider me for the show, and I'm going to write back to the studio to thank him for having me on.

Boomer

And I hope he does reply back to you.

Yay! Now the over 40 housewife crowd will see you in your brown shirt and ask their kids "You're not one of THOSE people are you?"

I say, other than the shirt you are wearing, let the floodgates open. Like Tim Allen as the Shaggy Dog... "I'm a DOOOOOOG" Then you can change back on the court steps while mutant animals crash and get written a ticket like nothing else was wrong. Ahhh Dipsney....

It would be terrible to be a shirt wearer, wouldn't it?.. :) It is weird when they show Human Dogs, like in comics or the bondage ones, that they are always naked to the skin.

The triumph of 'I am a Dog' that's great, and it's funny how I've used that phrase for years too, always I'm a Dog.

Boom

I just hope you do not cause the mainstream media to attract negative to the furry fandom.

you know ships sailed nigga

I should have added, again, to the end of my sentence as so far this decade I have noticed a lot less negative attention to furries in the mainstream than I did last decade, and this decade I have seen a few clips online of positive attention to furries by, from various locations, local TV newscasts which I do consider part of mainstream.

We'll have to see what the show does. It seems that public perception of Furries has gone through phases.
I delurked to Furry in 1997, and the news reports at the time were fun and upbeat, about fun costumed
characters, with circus music playing in the background. It looked like a group where mascots get together
and play.

Furry must be something good, because it matured and more joined, so of course it gained more depth
and became more complicated. With more media opportunities, there's more of a chance for all sides of
Furry to get some attention. Drawing art and trying to be an average person is probably not going to go
that far with the media, but I look up to Furs like TychoAussie here on FA, he's doing a great job having
fun with his character as part of his whole life and not just within Furry.

Boomer

Fingers crossed what they air is not going to ruin your reputation.

Oh the irony.

My only reputation is that of being a Dog. What you see on that show is my reputation.. ;)

Boom

Well this is goin to end poorly for us

Didn't you cause enough damage on Tosh.0?

This statement implies Tosh.0 has any relevance. The further implication is that anyone could damage the sterling public view of furries more than it already is.

Who seriously thinks Dr. Phil is anything but a quack publicity hound riding the precarious perch of televised psychoanalysis?

More people than anyone would like unfortunately.

He's been on Tosh, He's been on Local news for being a nutbar and has gotten on National Geographic's TV show about "taboos" and many other Radio shows for acting like a dog.

Lovely...

You can say that Boomer is a full blown attention whore. a shame really since Boomer is probably as old as my dad and he acts like a child :c

LMFAO. He's 48 and never had a job!!!!

reminds me of a guy my manager sat down with in the insurance business. Trust fund baby, never had a job, didn't know how to write a check. Just acted in local plays. All the potential of a human being gone and wasted.

Boomer actually did hold jobs, my bad. he's just unemployed right now.

none the less a virgin at 48.

Lols!

and wehat's wrong with that? If it's his choice, then it's his choice. He's allowed to live his life however he wants.

I agree. People shouldn't make fun of someone because they havnt had sex or anything.

I know its a late response xD

Well, Tosh is a comedian with a comedy show and I didn't expect to go there and bark my life story.
That was a Web Redemption to answer critics on line, and I thought the interview turned out well,
Tosh is a cool guy! You should watch the Tosh show with Boomer, I think you'll have a laugh.. :)

Boomer

Seriously your NOT helping

You must be pretty selfish to have gone through with this crap for some quick fame knowing how badly this will reflect on everyone else.

Nothing ever good comes from going on a piece of shit show like this. They want to make you look as bad as possible so they get more shock exposure in addition to trying to relate it to what a "typical" furry is...

:V

Says the person with a fat ass spidey ass bumping a fat ass flash take a look in the mirror before being a dick. I don't think that Boomer may be a good representation for our fandom but its certainly not by your justification to say who or what the. Typical furry is.

lol

in the end stuff like this is to be expected question is what if this was a startrek fandom and boomer went up on the dr phile show dressed as a klingon, i bet people would have the same reaction in the end.

I think that a good part of shows like this is they do get people thinking. Plus there's the entertainment value.
Some people have lives of hard lives and soul-less jobs, trying to exist and get somewhere, and if something
can bring a smile to their faces for a little while, that's really valuable too.

Boomer

The most offensive thing about the episode was Dr Phil belittling the job of being a full time furry artist when he himself profits off exposing people's troubles and oddities to the world. Uuuugh. You actually look a lot younger than you are, maybe its the dog food? :V lol

exposing people's troubles? they wanted to be on the show

It's not that simple.

umm to get on the show is a little hard, but for this furry gig it was very easy to get on. The crew even contacted me. But I didn't have furry problems

I guess most furs they contacted declined? Usually when any kind of main stream media contacts furries it's not usually to cast them or the fandom in a good light and most know that :o

You do get exceptions though!

Yeah I know, but those furries DIDN'T have PROBLEMS.
They gave me a phone call begging for me to go on their show for the furry thing and they just called me right now begging for me to go on tv...odd how they just called me. while talking to you about Dr PHil. hahahahaha

They did? When this journal was made and my comments here were likely weeks after the actual recordings and show were done... At least that's how tv production usually works x3

Good grief... This WILL NOT END WELL. Dr. Phil is a fucking joke as it is, and now you're going to make the entire fandom look like a fucking joke in front of all the useless drek that watches him.

Thanks for nothing man, seriously think before you do this stupid shit.

Agreed

agreed.

Well, Furry is built on something more than reputation or wouldn't it be gone by now?
People have actually told me that they found Furry because of me being in the media.
I guess every move that you make has a plus and minus to it, so I can't bark it's all
good, but be brave.

Boomer

Still, there have been plenty of other examples of media attention to the fandom that are actually GOOD. You just really need to think about where you're doing this shit before you agree to anything. Dr Phil would be an INSTANT no. Seriously, kind of a no-brainer.

Your recent page shout to boomer: "just stop giving a shit about life, and just live to the fullest "

Even at the expense of an entire sub-culture's reputation! Yey!

People aren't stupid. They know what they are doing and know the impact it'll have.

lol

Good luck!

And you wonder why nobody wants to be around you

Perfect name and icon for this XD

SILENCE! D:<

I KILL YOU!

Hi boomer, been hoping for a furry who isn't extremely perverse to go up on stage.
I just hope the word gets out that furries aren't always sexual, it's not a fetish, it's moreso a hobby, and that the fandom can seem very positive for everyone.
Not in all ways is anything positive for everyone, there's always things that make ANYTHING negative, so just try your best.

Thanks Lugia, the people from Phil's show had talked to me about Furries and my role in the scene,
as part of their research and getting to know me, but it was a small part, and they were way more
interested in me being a Dog and how that fit into my life as a whole, and the history of it and how
it started.

My perverse interests are anthros and transformation, but he didn't ask about those things. One
thing is, my story is a life story, it might be something to look at as a way of life, but not a problem
to solve really. The others were having relationship issues that could be fixed or could go away, where
I was more of an 'example' of something.

Boomer

I'm glad to hear from you (^___^)
I have eaten dog treat once, it's not bad tasting. I love closets and my bed is in a closet, I associate with dragons and my emotions I associate to cats. I do actually find that....

To the public's eye, if you associate a lot of things you like doing to one animal, say, just any one animal. Rather than liking various mixed things associated to different animals, humans, hobbies, etc... I find it strange to the public, if you like doing the first sentence above, everything associated with that one animal or thing, people just find it very WEIRD or ODD. Although most of us like a mixture of things.

I enjoy seeing your personality in the media, just feels mature and also perhaps confident in ways or comfortable.

it's the Tyra Banks/ chewfox drama all over again.

what happened to that guy?

*Girl

and this happened: https://encyclopediadramatica.es/Chewfox

It seems, unfortunately, this guy's lack of social awareness is being exploited. Chewfox was just a moron. :V

he was on Tosh.0 and was made a laughing stock.

It was quite funny xd

Glad that you saw it Zach and had a good laugh!

Boom

I hope your intention wasn't to "help" the fandom,because this really isn't going to add anything positive seeing as you're gonna be in the same episode as an animal hoarder. =/

Good luck I suppose.

Not for the fandom, they just wanted me to come on and woof my Dog story and see what Dr. Phil's opinion on it would be.
They really didn't ask me that much about Furry in interviews, but they had access to all of my sites.

Boomer

Here we go again.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-2DEliJlvs.....00/2uhwcpi.gif

<---- Watches preview.

<---- OH GOD WHY.

<---- NO.

<---- STOP.

I don't know what to say...
...Why?
...How?
STAAAPH!

Lololol i saw it too. Phil destroyed us.

Hope you got a chance to see the episode, and if not Dr. Phil put up a video of it, posted in this journal now.

Boomer

Just stop, all you guys. You haven't seen the show yet, don't be so quick to judge Boomer OR what Dr. Phil has to ask him. I, for one, will be eagerly watching the whole hour.

So stop! Boomer will NOT ruin the furry fandom for us! I am sticking up for him. GO BOOMER! I know you'll do a good job! :)

I wish I had your optimism.

You should! Would make the world go round much easier for all of us :)

Do you still think that after today? Do you REALLY think he gave furries a positive rep????

Hopefully

The show already happened though?? It was on today. And he did a terrible job representing furries as a whole. The group didn't need any more bad publicity. It was worse than the chewfox incident of '08

...We don't speak of that day.

Indeed, the day we don't speak about the fur who should not be named

He wasn't representing all furries, just himself. I thought Boomer was very well-spoken and Dr. Phil focused on Boomer's life as a dog rather than the sexual side of the fandom (Which Tyra Banks/Chewfox played up.) It's better than someone going on the show just to say "I love to yiffyiffyiffyiffyiff!"

I understand that he was representing himself, however, he made it clear that he was also in the furry fandom when he really is an otherkin. On that note, the housewifes and such that see the show will in turn think "oh if he's a furry, that much been furries are like him"

I mean, he could've said it better??? Like "I'm in a furry community BUT I'm more of a therian/other kin" or "I'm in the community, but most aren't like me", I think the community is mad because he never really explained it which could lead to everyone seeing this as "oh, if hes a furry, the majority of the fandom must be like this", giving the fandom worse stereotype than we already have.

Other than that?? I think he did okay when it come to being proud about himself and his life. I find it odd, but its not my life so lol

*mean (typo sorry)!

Or you know, furries just don't try and "do good" for the community's reputation on TV, especially on Dr.Phil who is anyone BUT a doctor. Just saying.

I did, however, I'm talking as a generalization??????

Oh I'm aware??? I'm not even saying that (why to assume buddy). I'm saying that furries AS A WHOLE, IN GENERAL, should not go on DAYTIME TELEVISION where the community is exploited by a doctor who isn't even a DOCTOR.

Exactly, a generalization. A generalization of how people will think when they saw the show because a man thinks he's a dog and says "I am a furry".

And if you don't give a shit about my opinions, you shouldn't have commented in the first place???? Boomer is an adult and can stand up for himself, he doesn't need you, or anyone trying to white-knight him. So leave my opinion alone and if Boomer has an issue with my opinion, let him speak for himself.

lol I never told people what to do.

I said they SHOULDN'T.

OPINION

When did I say I was mad? I said a lot of the community is mad, not me. Me: I'm more weirded out, but his life style doesn't affect me in anyway. I also said that he handled himself well but could've worded things better.

Please read my comment above when this all started. He could've phased things differently. I never said I, MYSELF, was mad.

Also, look above, I said that he's an adult, he doesn't need you standing up for him. He's 48 for Pete's sake. Don't like my opinion on him, don't comment.

Really? Ummmm
"Boomer being on TV is a different subject that I suspect will lead to a circular argument. You're pissed that he was "representing furries" when he was really representing himself, which is known already.

Bolded what you said. Pretty sure "pissed" and "mad" are similar.

And Does he deserve this? No, he seems like an okay guy. BUT, he opened this up for himself once getting on the show. I never even attacked him, I just stated my opinion that "hey, his life style is weird, but its not my life. He did good but should've worded things better to avoid the situation"

Yet again, Opinion.

Dr. Phil isn't about showing the most normal sane respectable people. It wouldn't be good for viewership.

If this was a BBC or NPR interview, then maybe it could be done legit

But keep in mind, Dr. Phil gets it's views by things that people will find WEIRD and ODD. Just like Jerry Springer, Maury and Montel Williams - it's how they get VIEWERS.

Having thought about this a lot and seeing it a little more on the inside, I like to take a different view.
For any show to communicate with its viewers it has to get on their level and meet their expectations.
I think what was filmed was legit.. for Phil's viewers!

I'm of the opinion that even if the show isn't high art, or guests seem like a mess, that essential
truths of the story are still being told.

Boomer

I made that comment before actually watching the episode, assuming the worst of the worst (a-la Tyra Banks)
After seeing the episode, I retract my previous statements and say that it came across pretty well.
The majority of the anger was really directed at you representing the fandom, and making the general public think that we all think we're really animals.
That didn't turn out to be the case, and Culpeo's segment showed the more realistic look of the fandom in general.

I apologize for my anger in the past, and fully support you doing what you want to do with your life.
It's YOUR life after all; if it makes you happy and no one is hurt, then more power to you.

Watch some Dr. Phil episodes, and you will quickly see that the entertaining factor is to showcase people who are not seen as 100% sound by the public image.

The whole POINT of Dr. Phil is for people to confess with their oddities on air and to make people go "Wow, that person is messed up" - just like Springer, Maury and Montel.

Regardless of what Boomer says it will be edited to make it into what ever they want the show to be.
You can not go chat with the media on their terms and expect truthful representation.
It's not the audience you need to win over, nor the presenter. The only thing that gets a say in how your portrayed to the public is the treatment that was written up months ago to put money in a writers back pocket.

Good luck and may the great electron have mercy on our souls...

Actually the shows are done with little editing, they only seemed to take out a few sentences of mine, where I
barked about my radio station and something about my work history.

The shows are recorded two in one day, and in real time, and are pretty much intact to what you see, it only
looked like it was edited for commercial time. When I was taken to the guest's waiting area, there was a big
monitor set up, and we were watching what was recorded live, and it looked like just what you saw on TV.

I do respect the electrons, since I'm in electronics.

Boomer

Yes edited to fit a document that sets out the look, feel and content of the program, when it should be on, who to get on the shows and who to advertise to.
I must speak plainly and honestly about this, I am not happy with what you did however very glad you had fun though!
But your personal life is your own and isn't always something that you share with others, please keep that in mind next time you eat dog food on TV... It does reflect on us all and the majority don't want that. Moreover for your own benefit make sure that the people you keep company with are laughing with you not at you ok?

PRAISE THE GREAT ELECTRON!

Watch the preview. Enjoy.....

Okay,stop. Don't pull the "oh why don't you care about this if you care about this" junk. I care about things like Crimea and the Malaysian airline incident,but the plane stuff has been covered on CNN 24 hours a day for over three days now.

And it's not really relevant to FA?

You're right Shadow, it's not... and it's getting way too overblown on CNN and I say in my head, "Get in with it already! Talk about the environment or more on health and stuff, not just the pain and suffering on and on and on."

as an aviation fanatic I'm actually very concerned about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370.

A few of my friends have made a hypothesis that it was sudden cabin depressurization, but I'm holding judgement until the FDR, CVR and wreck itself are found.

Thanks JaSonic, and it didn't really call out any group I don't think, only those who think they're Dogs, eat Dog food and paper costumers.
If you're not one of those, don't worry.. :)

Boomer

As jcollie said, you were just representing yourself, so just ignore all the negative comments that other furs have on what you just spoke of on Dr. Phil. They are furries, yes, but I think they are more towards to the "Burned Furs" group.

I had already concluded from a phone call with the producers when they were searching as to the intentions of the search. Dr. Phil was looking for the worst case scenario, he found that... Boomer.

Boomer has always been the village idiot, history has shown this from Tosh.0 to the pitiful attempt at his name change.

Normal does exist. Nobody would ever suspect me of being a furry unless I told them about the fandom. It's only the anti-social furries like Boomer, who has never been on a date and probably hasn't ever had sex, who embarrass us all.

Now, if you want to get in to psychology of normal, there's always something wrong with everyone, but not on the scale of people who exist in the fandom.

This

The hip people will see...

Hear! Hear! Ratty :)

Good that you're following the saga Pakrat, in your rattiness.. :)

Boomer

Gary, 48, says he believes he’s half dog and half human. "I had a vivid imagination as a young boy. I was a fanatic for every kind of dog story," he recalls. "When I was 14, I watched a TV show called Here's Boomer. I thought Boomer was a more independent dog, and he really reflected my views as a more independent person. So, now I'm Boomer the Dog." Gary says he dresses in a sheepdog costume, eats dog food, carries a squeaky toy, sleeps in a dog house and loves to play with "other dogs" at the park. "I feel really comfortable with everything that I am," he insists. "If I couldn’t be a dog, I’d feel like just an empty shell."

You eat dog food?

Your description is really close, I do just go by the name Boomer, not only in Furry, but that's an accurate description.
Yup I do eat Dog food once in a while to feel closer to the Canine. I started when I was really getting into feeling like a Dog, and my Dog Pongo's food was right there, so I tried it.

Boomer

I pulled that description from phils WEBSITE

Ha ha, okay I hadn't seen it yet. They did interview with me a lot before the show.
In Pittsburgh it's going to air at 3 pm.

Boom

It looks pretty bad man. I think you gave us a bad image from what ive seen of the preview

It's not the end of the world, it just compounds the issue of everyone seeing us as basically non-normal people, when 99% of us have jobs, have lives, act respectfully in the outside world, behave like civilized people.

Yeah I'm not surprised, on the one hand, it's Dr. Phil, he will insult and berate what isn't white anglo-saxon heteronormativity til the cows come home. Boomer, did you HONESTLY expect some sort of change in his attitude towards you?

When they started playing that stupid music track while they did the video expose of you, all I thought was Stewie playing a tuba behind fat people.

I honestly can't stomach the man's pseudotherapy, I tuned in part way, saw you eating out of a dog bowl, and went NOPE.

Also, I don't think Dr. Phil is quite the same as CNN with regards to this, you're trying to compare two completely different things whose only commonality is that they're on TV with a public following, and shit at their 'profession'.

Someone certainly gives a shit xD

That's a neat idea, 99 percent are normal everyday in the fandom, they must be so stealth that I haven't been able to see them!
Most of the Furs I know seem to be pretty eccentric, but maybe that's because Furs tend to let it all out in the fandom? If so, I
think that's good, it makes people more interesting when they're open than hidden.

Boomer

That's okay. There's a reason nobody invites him to the local pa-furry meets to Pittsburgh. Now you know.

hah

FUCK! He's a PA fur?! I want to change states T.T NC you are now my new home.

hey, having Anthrocon as a local con is pretty cool D: Get to meet up with loooots of people from around the world

Hmmmm isn't it ironic that all I've seen from you is white knight this crazy mofo?

Lol and your being a white knight your self.....facepalm*

i have my Popcorn..lets do this!

I do too! im waiting to see if this goes the way of chewfox, fa crashing and what not lol

I wasn't here when the Chufox thing happened, but I heard about it at the time, but I didn't see the show until 2010 I think.
Seems like it was a mess, but I'd think that FA would be better equipped to handle problems now. Plus, my Nobility will keep
this page up.. :)

Boomer

Personally I was impressed how you kept your cool out there, wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. And ingore those with threats, they are just 17 year olds who have anger issues, that stuff was uncalled for. :v

So you've never had a job Boomer? Not one job?

I had several jobs, just none recently, except the odd computer work or some other specialized tech.
I did janitor, wiring and cable assembly line, radio station, and grinding quartz crystals, plus various
computer related things. My real field is electronics.

It's tougher for me being a Dog in the workplace, according to manager types, the world isn't ready
for a Canine to serve them or be that different in an office. I should have something more
specialized to do.

One of the things I'd like with my name change is to have the name Boomer The Dog on my ID as
a sort of calling card, so people will remember, and then do things like costuming and entertaining
as a pooch character. That way I'm doing something that I'm cut out to do, being productive and
at the same time being a Dog openly.

Boomer

Eating dog food though? Man...you really should have specified that 99% of furs don't do what you do. I think all of us are tired of everyone forgetting to MENTION that aspect on tv.

Glad you had jobs. :P. Now go get a mate.

It doesn't come on here for another hour, but I'll be tuning in.

Hi JCollie, I hope that you liked the show! Dr. Phil uploaded it to his Ytube too, see the journal, I added the address.

Boomer

Honestly keep doing what makes you happy!

Unlike some others, you are financially stable. Good work!

Thanks a lot, I do try to always be happy, it's a Dog thing.

Boom

Oh wow. So you eat dog food, then IMMEDIATELY after you do this, Dr. Phil asks you if you are affiliated with the furry fandom. What is the target audience going to think? All furries must eat dog food. *Shrug* Do what makes you happy, but I won't eat dog food bro. Shining performance. You could at least say that it's uncommon for furries to eat dog food and use dog shampoo. Honestly, that's more pup play fetishist than furry.

I didn't realize he asked me about Furry, I'll have to watch it again. I've had people think it's pup play before,
but I've never connected with that scene.

I want to feel more Dog-like, and early on I got attached to the stereotypical Dog things, like bones, balls,
kibble, collars, tags, leashes, and stuff like that. We had Dogs around the time I started to go Doggie, so
Dog items were around the house, and I'd use their brushes on me, and sample food from their dishes
and water bowl.

I've buried chicken bones in the side yard, and had a collar on and snapped my Dog's chain on so I was
attached to his house, all stuff to make me feel closer to something that was starting to happen at the
time, around junior high. I had the idea that I was going to change into a Dog soon, so I was getting used
to those things, and I added more things later, like Dog toys, ears and ribbons in my fur, things like that.

He didn't really ask about Furries, so I couldn't bark about what the average Fur is like. The show was
really a broader topic, about the more unusual relationships to animals.

There's a link in the original post to view the Dr. Phil show now, have a look at that, and my site
http://boomerthedog.net for more.

Boomer

Well, I mean, extreme pup play... couldn't even call that casual. Consuming dog food, that is. At least you smiled, yeah? I'm not gonna be salty or inflammatory, but I will say thanks for the PR. =) Stay barky, or somethin'. I feel neutral/ creeped out by the episode, dont really have a negative stance on it. Just a strange perception of it. He must be hard up for his ratings. Maury must be stealing his spotlight.

Honestly, i've seen Justin Bieber do more jacked up things on TV, so it's just a drop in the bucket.

I watched it and I think you were the most confident of all the guests about what you liked. I preferred you being there instead of a young 20 something who didn't know what to say on stage (The guest afterward), you actually defended your craziness. Phil exposed himself immediately when he dismissed art commissions being a viable business, despite the dissonance behind the guest somehow being able to afford a fucking fursuit and a convention trip.

I'm surprised they didn't focus on the sexual side in this episode.

Someone said that I was the one who smiled, and I am smiley, so is my breed of Dog, when you look at pictures of the Pyrenean Shepherd.. :)
I think my segment had less gravity to it, since I wasn't there to air out problems I was having with a family member like the other two were. The
producers were trying to get my half sister on, she doesn't like the Dog stuff and thinks I'm wasting my life doing it, but she didn't answer them
back. There was less pressure from a face-off that way. I've had to explain my Doggishness a lot and do try to step up with it.

I guess art commissions can be a business, and some artists claim to make a living from them. It would seem that if you set up the whole
system, with a schedule, pricing, payment processing and your site with samples, you'd learn a lot more about the specifics of running a business
than working an entry level service job. That could teach that yes you can run your own business, and to take the harder road instead of the
easier one.

That barked, I may be wrong, but I mostly see art as one of those specialized labor of love things, for most artists, yes you can make some
spending money, but it's hard work and would seem to take long hours for the money you'd get, but you do make people happy. I might be out
of the loop since I haven't commissioned art yet and don't do commissions.

I wasn't asked too much about the sexual side during the interview process, there were some general questions about it, but nothing in depth.

Boomer

I agree with you fully, although the Culpeo thing wasn't that great. It's interesting that Dr. Phil and co. had to borrow footage from anthrocon, then only be able to film from outside of the actual convention. (If it was even a convention.)

I don't know, I wasn't buying it with her being "unproductive." Take note how she owned a fursuit and was able to fund a trip to a convention, things her mother (if actually against the idea) would have probably not helped with. If she did... Then that's on her.

if you're not paying your bills and not going to school, because you dropped out that's NOT being productive. You cant live off of art here and there unless you're very good.

High school is the largest waste of time that you could go through in your life, (outside of prison) but that is a different subject. "Being productive" isn't just about paying bills, it's about working for money, just like how you would earn allowance from your parents when you were 13. I was not talking in the context of working her hardest.

i never got an allowance I had a job I learned tons of shit in HS...mostly interaction and they way people work and think...

I envy you. My experience with high school was not as beneficial. Learning how to interact with people and working is part of growing up.

well don't envy me...I am sorry about your experience. I was bullied in middle school. yeah i am learning about people everyday. I just feel bad for this guy.

Also, for the lack of an edit button, remember that she mentioned doing commission work which Dr. Phil shrugged off as not being a "real job." Even though that's how a large percentage of furries get their money.

It depends on if you're getting the actual demand for it. Artists like  zaush,  redrusker etc. can make a living on selling art alone because their skill has made a lot of demand for their arts.

well she isn't near as good as those artist and that's why he told her to make a living else were

It was filmed outside the Marriott where Further Confusion was held.
I'm taking they did that because ConOps went all "NOPE" when they heard Dr Phil wanted to film, so they had to film just outside the hotel and convention area.

Yep, and good thing, huh? Could have gone much worse if they could come in.

I also love how like everyone's con badged was censored and blurred.

I have to admit, I don't know much about daytime talk, I don't actually watch it, but I get the idea of what it's about.
I see Dr. Phil as a lot like my dad, practical and no nonsense, but someone who doesn't look at the nuances of things.
Maybe he does go deeper, as a doctor would, but the restraints of TV time don't allow it. The producers certainly did
enough research, hours and hours of interviews with me before the show.

People do say that I miss out on other things in life, and I agree, but I also think that I've had experiences that
others haven't. I don't socialize traditionally for the most part, being a Dog is how I socialize. I try to have the Dog in
everything I do, like my radio stations and shows, and any art or creativity is Dog related or serves a Canine purpose,
and I've been doing it forever. That's true, it's mostly my dad's money that's supporting me now.

It seems to be that Culpeo and her mom are really out of touch with each other, but I was like that with my parents
too, my dad never really understood the things I was doing either, it was different worlds.

I'm really into folks not having to hide their interests, that's one of the things that can lead to a fuller life and not
missing out. It's not for everyone I guess, but it could help if folks didn't have to hide as much.

Boomer

this is a comment.

yaaaaay i joined in.

leave boomer alone. He sustains himself and does what he likes. He's been on so many shows I think one more wouldn't really matter. Granted he takes it to an extreme, but most people don't. I don't see it being fair when culpeo went on the show and everyone is praising her and here she dropped out of high school and has no job. Bottom line, just leave him alone. Not fair to give one praise while the other one gets hell for it. There's enough bullying about being furry already from none furs we don't need more bullying from regular furs.
I am sure he's heard it all sides why not to go on the show.

And goes on live television, KNOWING that if 90% of the world find him 'weird' or 'fucked up' they are going to pin it on all of us too! He can be himself, and also NOT slander us more!

but other people went on the show as well. He's been on many shows...I doubt people think I eat out of a dog dish.

I wouldn't be surprised if they thought we all did. He should keep himself away from the asshole TV networks. We have (wrong) bad rep already. :/

I am just saying everyone is praising culpeo and coming down hard on this guy...just let it be...whatever anyone tells him he wont listen...he's gonna do what he wants to do...
I have been approached by many people mentioning many tv shows...I own suits too but I am confident with who i am. when they meet you in person you can prove them wrong by how responsible you're.

Because Culpeo went on TV, looking nice, and was very professional, where THIS guy was barking and woofing at Dr.Phil, on live TV. He made us look 'loose'

lol but no furry really does that...he's been on many tv shows before...this guy sustains himself...so who cares what life style he lives...i know culpeo did display herself nicely...she needed to go back to school and get a job...neither is perfect...so doesn't really make sense to be dogging on this guy and giving her all the praise...he's going to voice who he is until he gets his name changed and wants people to understand who he is...
I get asked questions all the time...questions range from if I wear my suit all the time...insecurity issues, sex in suit, sex with animals to now if I have problems with my fam and if I am educated...from this show. If your secure from who you're this stuff I know does matter in a way...but its already been done and he's not the only furry who signed up for this kind of stuff...

Hopefully dogging on him, will let him see that he'll eventually become the the next ChewFox. Unless he realizes that TV is not worth it, and he needs to stop being 'this way' publicly.. Or his, and our Fandom, will be brutally condemned more than it already is! I mean look at Tennessee? People are aloud to beat the living shit out of gay people now, by law! Furries are becoming the scum of the earth because of people like Boomer

when anyone signs up for the show its already bad news...people will always be signing up for this gig for attention...not for help...he uses people to exploit for these types of episodes.
i understand your angry but he has been given many comments and still goes on shows...and so far he's not banned. I think he's so extreme that admins and people don't care...
he knows he's eccentric...

Yeah well he still knew it would harm us, and he did it anyways. Crazy or 'Not' he fucked us royally again.

i think boomer as a person is nice...he's way out there to wear ppl don't believe it

I wouldn't hang out with boomer, especially not after this. He'd creep me out. Barking at people as a joke (which I do with my boyfriend) is fine, but doing as a very to converstion? aye..

And we all hate them too, for ruining our name..

What you seem to realize, is that even these days, TV does control a lot of people's heads. And with this crap on TV, it'll make people think we are like that.. Especially when every time a furry goe son tv, they are like this..

But most, do. You're too easy going on this. :P

S'funny, because I only suit at cons, and only furries are there.

I notice the way they stare. It's not pleasant.

To quote Adam Carolla: "Yeah...but still..."

Yes, Yes are going to. He specifically asked for furries to come on the show, and picked who thought would be best to put on the show. you are really labeling the TV networks with too high of a standard.

furries already make themselves look bad, we don't need any one person to do it for them.

But it doesn't help. Of you believe that it does help!

I think the reputation is beyond help tbh

I don't think it is.

it is if people are going to judge someone and tell them to kill themself because they dare be happy being different.

Did I say kill himself? No. I said stay off TV.

Benjamin has a valid point, Boomer willingly went on a television show where he knew everyone would be watching on public TV.

and so did culpeo...

And Culpeo didn't look like a crazy dog-person.

Culpeo seemed actually quite normal. The only serious issue addressed is that she needs to get a high school education, get a job, go to college etc.

Culpeo was actually the most "normal" of the three on the show; the most she's guilty of is being lazy :P

She's also a more accurate representation of furries - she doesn't think she's an actual wolf, howls at her mother, sleeps in a made up wolf den etc.
She presented it as a side hobby, no different than being a fan of comic books, anime etc.

of course...but people will still think furries are dropping out of school not getting an education and having problems with family. I am already getting people who think I wear my suit everyday, I think I am an animal, sex with animals, I am unable to social I have no job already...when i do not. I am secure with who I am so you should to.
so his story he's been on tv so many times...people know he takes it to extreme.
I am not condoning her getting all the praise and him getting bashed...not fair in my opinion...jest let him be.

Non-Furries do worse. They drop out, smoke pot, and rot. Get in fights, go to jail.. Furries? They drop out, make people smile, draw awesome art, make wonderful costumes, and are very social!

^Furries are soooo bad.

i never have been so bullied more so then being a furry...
I met girls who lie about getting raped...for attention...people who told me my dog deserved to die...met people who so incredibly rude to me...in this fandom...I met some really good people here...but more bad apples then I met IRL
Many furries drop out of school and smoke pot so I have no clue what you're talking about...one last your got caught having sex with a kitty.
there's bad apples everywhere and in the fandom.

And there are the same amount out of the fandom. Though we've done a lot more GOOD then the non-furs have. The stuff you mentioned? Is just humans being dumb humans, as they have for years.

there is many non furs who contributed a lot more then furries...granted we go to conventions and it gets donated...but there is many people like Jane Goodall who is a non furry who has done a great job...many people done so much that are non furries...I met many furries who don't do jack shit...
but were way off topic...I think you need to just be yourself and as you talk to people those opinions of what people have about you will go away.
I'll know how bad it is once i fursuit on the pier this weekend...they always bring up shows. :/

I really love how you're standing up for the Non-Fur people. It really goes to show how much faith you have in our community.

lol I was inspired to be a good person who are not furries.
I WAS a non fur for many years and have helped many people.

Wow, aren't you an amazing person for helping. And guess what? You still became a furry! So that doesn't add any point to the non-furs.

wow...umm so non furries cant be cool?

Did I say that? No. I'm defending my community. You're discrediting it. Anyways, I'm done with this conversation, I have my own life to deal with.

you go do that. I am done talking to stupid

Umm....YOUR community? Mayor McCheese ova dey has a community! He's lord of all burgers in McDonaldland. Ahh, but Grimace has a plan.. Meanwhile the Hamburglar is sleeping off his drunk in the McDonaldland jail. Barney Fife was pushed. Goober foils the plot of Grimace to control all the minds of the Burger Chef and Jeff folks by inserting an extra second into the international time code UTC. They all laugh and listen to "He's Gone" by the Grateful Dead from the Europe 72' tour. Matlock approves.

You're an idiot.

We do it all for you Rod. :)

My name's Ben. You're the (nim)Rod.

and yes...He blocked my reply. I'm not one to deny my comedic motives. ATTICA! ATTICA! ATTICA!

It's not about one person over the other, it's about how they acted on the show that comes into play. Culpeo went on, and even though she didn't fare too well, she still didn't give the fandom a bad name. Dropping out of high school and not having a job is a terrible arguement, even if she wasn't looking for one, it's hard as hell to actually GET a job to begin with. Dropping out of high school isn't as bad either, to be perfectly honest the only thing it's good for is your diploma, everything else in there is total bullshit anyways.

Boomer went on, pulled the same shit as I've seen elsewhere, and I actually had to close my stream of it because I was just absolutely depressed with what was going on. The way he acted on the show is directly related to the comments he's getting now, end of story. The people your trying to compare are so far away from one another that it just doesn't even make sense to try and argue the point. When you give the fandom that kind of bad publicity, this is expected. THIS is why when I actually thought of applying for the show I didn't.

Point in all this: It is totally fair that someone who did significantly better than the other get praise and the other does not.

that be your opinion, which I disagree with.

boomer is way out there that no one in their right mind is going to believe we are all like that...he represented himself. i suit all the time and no one has ever mentioned to me about boomer.

Thanks.

Actually I think the level of attack seems to be about right, I don't think that Culpeo at her level of furriness would deserve a slam,
and she went on the show to work out a problem that was affecting her relationship with her mom. To get both of them on there
seems to be a brave step for both. I have a Dog problem with my half sister, she hates me being a Dog, and wouldn't appear on
the show!

I know what people think about these shows, but they ask me to be on, so I'm willing to give it a shot.

Boomer

sorry about your sis not accepting you. I was just getting irritated with everyone attacking you on here and making comparisons. I just don't feel its right

I hope you end up in a shallow ditch.

What's done is done, but SERIOUSLY do NOT do this again!

It possibly won't happen by default, now that Phil has taken the story, I don't know if other shows will.
I had barked with someone at Tosh.0 about Phil calling too, and he said it was good that Phil didn't
get you yet, or you wouldn't be on Tosh.

Hopefully you got to see what the show was about, and if not there's a link to Phil's Youtube with the
whole episode.

Boomer

I saw it. The entire world did, and 90% of the peopel who saw it are ashamed because of what you did.

Thank god  culpeowolf was on the show for a contrast and to say "Okay, not ALL furries are like this"

This

Dude.. you need help... and Dr. Phil can't help you...

Go see a special doctor.. one which offers straitjackets.. and padded rooms...

You can play around in there... maybe they'll give you a rubber bone to chew on.

a) Dr. Phil isn't a real doctor

b) Only the EXTREME mental patients (like Charles Manson batshit) get that kind of treatment in a mental hospital.
Even then it's not that extreme - things have changed alot since "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest"

While I don't agree with Boomer's lifestyle, I don't think he needs to be institutionalized D:

I think he need some filters.. Which an Institution can help with.. He need to know when, and where, this is acceptable.

He's making himself look like a guy who has a dog stuffed in his brain.. But yes.. Counseling would help.. If they had dog counseling, because clearly he thinks he's a dog. And honestly, I've seen therkin who though tthey were real dragons act less like their 'spirit' in roleplay

Really!? Did you actually look at his blog!?

He likes to 'play with other dogs at dog parks while wearing his ... suit...' ... how is that considered healthy to you!? Please explain...

No.. he isn't a danger to himself.. he's just a danger to other living creatures such as dogs...

Also.. buying dog food which could go towards feeding an actual hungry dog... or a dog house which could go towards an ACTUAL dog...!?

No.. I'm sorry... this man needs help.

Also... I know that Dr. Phil isn't a licensed doctor.. everyone knows that.. he's nothing short of a bald headed fuckwit who got rich off of Oprah Winfrey and started his own show because he felt he had enough common sense to coach people on life ... Its a ratings grab... so that all the stupid people who firmly believe there is some actual credibility to everything he says can sit down and give him the ratings he thinks he deserves.

Fair enough...

I do agree with  benjaminwolvenhour though.. he needs to know when and where this is acceptable to talk about.. and talking about eating from dog bowls, sleeping in dog houses and interacting with canines while dressed as a dog.. is unacceptable to discuss on a show such as Dr. Phil when one knows DAMN WELL what the media is like, how they control and manipulate others.. and how everyone knows how much bad light the fandom is in already.

You don't need to be living under a rock to realize how hated we are by the media and how they use any 'trick' they can to make our fandom seem like a bunch of 50 year old pedophiles running around in 'animal suits'.

Yeah, if it wasn't for Culpeo's portion showing that not all (or even most) furries are like this - the "It's just a hobby" really contrasted alot.

Yeah death threats are no bueno

I don't think that the media hates Furs, from what I see they are interested in Furries, it's something different in life to show their audience.
In my dealings with the media I'd have to bark that they are actually unbiased about the whole thing, they're just curious.

To me, they are using what's presented out there, and distilling it down to their audience's understanding. They are experts at understanding
their audience and communicating with them.

Boomer

Agreed. I'm sure many oppressive unintelligent embarrassed families that can't discern satire from truth will shun their kids and kick them out on the streets when they watch this.

My mom and family (especially my Uncle) will now harass me about eating out of dog bowls. Good thing I haven't lived at home with family since I was 17. Doesn't mean they don't watch and judge me. I know for a fact my mom is a Dr. Phil fanatic.

Dr phil didnt even offer any advice to him! Lol

I was hoping he would too, it just seemed like we ran out of time after the story was told!

That was the idea I thought, woof my story and get the Dr.'s opinion. I feel cheated!.. :)

Boomer

He'd prolly just tell you to go do something with your life lol

You're joking, right?? Dr. Phil is nothing more than a glorified actor... Psychiatrists can offer better advice than Dr. Phil... asking Dr. Phil for advice would be the equivalent of asking Paris Hilton for information on how to construct a NASA shuttle...

http://i.imgur.com/O8CB0QI.jpg

I looked up your page after hearing about the show, and I gotta say, I seriously respect your ability to deal with criticism, even under pressure. It's not an easy thing to do.

Thanks my friend, I try my best to take a different approach than others have in the past over the media.

Boomer

I missed it, has the angry furry shit storm hit this journal yet? I haven't seen FA crash yet..

It actually wasn't all that bad. The worst of it was really "Here's a guy who eats dog food"
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjmMQod.....LDux.jpg:large

thankfully  culpeowolf was on the final segment, making the fandom in general look pretty sane. Most she was accused of was being lazy about getting a diploma/getting a job/etc.

Aw, good! All I knew was "Sibe is gonna be on Dr Phil" until about a week ago. Then I found out the episode was today. I hope to find a better copy of it then the youtube "recording the TV screen" version.

Yeah the Sibe part was just Sibe trolling people and causing a ruckus.

I recorded it on my DVR but I don't think I can transfer or upload it anywhere D: I can always do a ghetto record if needed.

That's a cool picture, thanks for posting it!

I'd have to bark though that the show wasn't really interested in focusing on the fandom, just the stories of the individuals.
They didn't even ask me lots of questions about it before the show. They were mostly interested in how someone would
live and behave as a Dog (of course they'd have to show behavior for the visuals with me, being that I didn't have an issue to
work out with someone else).

Boomer

I love my costume, off-stage name: Papey, I think my friend Ric gave it that name. I did a whole lot of interviewing
before going out there for the show, and it felt like I barked the story of my life to them. They asked what kind of
Dog behaviors I do, and how they came about, like eating Dog food started when I was in junior high and I was
feeling Doggie, and our Dog's food was right there. I must have written several paragraphs on just Dog food alone
and the history of it, and barked about it on the phone with them.

I want to build a better Dog house, and when I do I'm going to sleep there every night, it's something I've been
dreaming about doing for a long time. I had built my own Dog bed under an 8 foot banquet table in the basement
in the 1990s.

I don't know, maybe you could try it sometime, build a giant exercise wheel or a rat's nest to sleep in. Bird Furries
could build a nest to get in touch.

Boomer

Boomer, not gonna lie, I think your lifestyle is way too extreme. That is just my opinion.

But if it makes YOU happy and you are clearly not hurting anyone, then keep doing what makes you happy.

I think any argument made on here was completely unnecessary. In my opinion, you were NOT representing furries as a whole. You were representing yourself. The subject of furries didn't even last that long during your segment.

I think even people like Dr. Phil understand that not every furry is exactly the same.

He was actually surprisingly accepting, which really shocked me.

Thanks.

I think those are the kinds of stories that Dr. Phil does, they are about individuals and their issues, not groups.
Most of the other stuff he does seems to deal with issues within families, all real personal problems.

Boomer

okay, i'm sorry for making comments and white knigting, but

seriously people? why are you wishing death upon boomer? NEVER EVER EVER EVER

wish death upon a total stranger, EVER

that i agree! he seems nice

Yeah that's too far.
I might not agree with what he did on TV, but I wouldn't wish death upon him.

it's kind of sad how furries make people want to leave the fandom
not people heckling furries.

It's not so much Boomer's fault, it's the absence of the thought that Boomer is being himself on national TV and not thinking about how the world really works.

The assumption that only intelligent people watch Dr.Phil (the biggest joke I've heard all night...). Or that everyone is progressive, agnostic, atheist and can laugh and shrug it off... Is just unreasonable. I know several oppressive families that will lash out at furs over this if they find out about it. It's just something else to cause people to leave the fandom. It's not Boomer's fault, so to say.

It's the same oppressive families that tyrannize their kids for every other thing, not just for being a furry. Oh I don't know, being gay and other things. Not everyone is 40 years old and free of their family's judgement. Really, not everyone has such a cool set of parents that accept them for who they are. Eh, and it's these same people that judge gays and furries and atheists--- and well, judge the free thinking society in general; it's these same people that are the REAL tyrants.

Yeah, it's not Boomer's fault but, he could at least address this concern. People will probably leave over this, and its not going to be me, it's probably going to be some kid trapped, living in his parents house. Probably some 17 year old kids or something, people still in high school or middle school. In otherwords, this is detrimental to the future of the fandom. Doesn't matter if it's sex talk or not. Dude, it's gonna embarrass some parents, and they're going to lash out.

Anyways, sorry this happened to Boomer, and I am sorry about the people I'll never get to meet because of this. Oh well. I guess I can just meet more furries from my age group, or new ones that come from the cool families that actually care about their kids. Hopefully, these kids find out that it's not what their parents think of them, or what their friends think of them, but what they make of themselves and what they think they're worth and that they know that they should never let someone tell them what they're worth. They should just be themselves, even if they have to keep it to themselves for awhile to avoid ending up in a dire living situation. You dig?

It's gonna get a lot of younger people down, but oh well, I hope you all can find it in your heart to forgive Boomer if you're mad at him. He probably just didn't think things through and he really is just being himself. Regardless, don't wish death on this man, he's apparently happy. The world needs more happy. Just hope that he gets help.

Seeing it after the airing, what I'd hope is that it would get Furry kids and their parents to talk to each other, and that seems like
something that Dr. Phil would want too. It seemed to me from what was presented that Culpeo and her mom weren't really talking
to each other, and if the show does any good, it gets them talking to each other.

Doesn't it seem that if mom and dad see this show and then can't handle their kid being in Furry, that there is something wrong
with the family's communication?

My parents allowed me to have the run of the neighborhood, time to myself and to make my own mistakes and learn from them.
I was also atypical from an early age behavior-wise, and had issues getting along in school that affected my learning. That was
even before I found out that I was a Dog.

Don't worry, I'm beyond help.. :) I do hope to have help to make the world more happy though, and Furries can do it.

Boomer

I'm going to address this.

I used to like the furry fandom enough to call myself a furry, now I don't associate with it at all due to people who act like Boomer. I do built fursuits, this is a sock puppet account I usually make Achmed jokes with, for cash but I'm not a furry. My name just happens to be an animal and I do have an imaginative mind, that's far as it goes.

1) I don't look like a furry
2) I've a 9-5 office job
3) I make six figures
4) Out of all the people I've met in the fandom, maybe 3 or 4 I know are in positions like myself. The rest are how shall we say it, all in the lower class.

Most furries portray a look upon them... as losers people picked on in High School.

Good point actually

So, not trying to fight here but..

Just because someone doesn't make 6 figures means that we're all in the lower class???

I don't know about you, but MOST of the furries I know are in the MIDDLE/WORKING CLASS and are just fine, as well as having extra each month after bills. Most aren't even in near the poverty line. Keep in mind that it's uncommon to make 6 figures nowaday so don't say "the rest are poor" when like I said, its uncommon to make 6 figures. Sorry if I misunderstood what you were saying!

Other than that I agree with you.

I'm just saying many furries I've encountered who go to furmeets in the larger cities tend to be working class or jobless. I know there's probably others like me, but they don't go to the meets... probably for the same reasons I do, since we've a hard time relating to such furries. I've went to meets where we've gone to restaurants after some sort of game, only to have one or two furries complain that they "forgot" to save their money to eat at the restaurant instead of paying to play the arcades/games/etc.

Oh ok! Then my misunderstanding! And I can agree with that, I may not be rich, but yeah, saving money for food is kinda more important than games o.O

Yeah, those are the problems I was originally attempting to address. I do know people who make 30k a year and manage to live like kings by finding cheap yet good places to live, dumpster diving(hell I even do it every so often! ;) ) and going aroung to Goodwill/Surplus stores for good deals(I still do this as well). yet we have furries who squander their money as if they were lottery winners who go bankrupt in a year and rack up thousands in credit card debt.

I am done here.

The fact that you eat dog food is really disgusting.