You got it, ibee <3

not really the point but thank you,

yeah I know. but it never works out that way with anyone else..

when consumerism stops instilling the gender binary into people to the point people precieve by habit, then i'd be in more faith.

your whole comments are great! like rly theyre awesome but...it's irrelevant rn

this journal is about ibee and them being NB, not about the entire trans movement...
they want people to acknowledge they are agender, not ignore it (like you did in your first comment)

yea,,,

you did, tho. that's exactly the problem, they want people to acknowledge their gender right now. you said "what gender?!" aka, pushing it aside as irrelevant.

and yea i put those things together because being gender neutral is apart of being trans to me '-'

I uh.. the entire point of the journal was recognizing my Gender as Agender. that what im talking about right at this moment, not any kind of movements or out lying information or w/e. its pretty much just about me right now since I've been crying like a fuckign asshole about being misgendered by many people and made to feel like a fool after recognizing my existence.

and you are making this far more out there than what I was getting at.. I appreciate it but this isn't what we are looking for.

and you could say I am trans because I'm transitioning my boy into my appropriate gender. so really-

*outliar? not lying like dishonest. like. 'far off information' i don't know words

*body.
god fuckign damit

I've been transitioning mine too, but i've had some really nasty trans people and 'trans supporters' get on my case about not fitting even the trans catigory becuase i'm fine with being intersexed. so It's been difficult to even find a group to 'fit in' with. and why i follow a different sort of movement.

I totally understand that this was meant to be about you. I was merely bringing up relative points so you knew you weren't alone in it. As why i say your a good person and don't need any cis gender terms to be identified as that.

Sorry Ibee, i came off like a total ass here. foot in mouth. I'm not always the better with my selection of words, But i do hope you can understand where I was trying. I really wasn't trying to put your gender aside. I was trying to refer to you as a non-binary gendered person. because your a person and we are people. I was trying for the playful and it sort of backfired on me. :<

it came off as you saying their gender was irrelevant, then saying the only thing that matters to you is they are a great person. Okay. Cool. ibees a fantastic person! but its still about them being agender. you should have just acknowledged it from the get-go?? bc thats what they want rn. them being agender is important. Period. saying something 'silly' like that isn't appropriate right now, or ever. when i tell someone i'm genderless, i want them to acknowledge that i am genderless. Not go on to say how great of a person i am. it's not important

im apart of every movement that has to do with gender and/or trans ppl, but thats not what this is about

im turning this into "the journal is about ibee being agender and you didn't acknowledge it in your original comment and no one got wtf you were saying"

I honestly thought I was acknowledging it by identifying them as them. and not a specific gender. :< i'm sorry i came off as if i was trying to ignore that.

I'm FTM and its hard enough with parents who refuse to call me he/him infront of strangers or my friends...
Just remember, live life fully and die happy~ don't let negative people worm their way in!

i've found with my parents now, it's been really akward for them -not- to call me male in front of others because others see me male now since my transition and it gets them looked at weird.

Forcing them into a position where they had to make a change really made a difference. as mean as that sounds.

I don't know if this is the right thing to say, but I literally practice saying "Ibee... them... they.." in different sentences in my head because I want to do right by you o: You deserve to feel happy and comfortable for yourself just like everyone else, and I always wish the best for you... :c

AHHH that means a lot, thats what im honestly hoping for that means the world to me..
it's such a little thing to want but such a habit people have to form i feel bad but ar ir r
thank you so much

ibee, aka my favorite agender plastic bag

what am i filled with? what is this ibee bag holding.............

love...... thats what..................

ah, okay! Got it ! :D

Hey Kyuu, (I hope you don't mind me calling that, I can call you Ibee from now on if you'd prefer that ;o;)
I am so so so sorry if I ever misgender you and I hope you would be able to forgive me if I ever do! I know this isn't about me at all, but I will always try my best to refer to you the way you want to be and don't be afraid to ever call me out on it. I'm so sorry that you have to deal with this sort of thing, and I'm sure it is really hard and not fun at all. You are a great person and deserve to be addressed in the way that you want to be addressed! Just keep that adorable head of yours up and know that there are plenty of people who support you and want only happiness for you! <3

I totally don't mind kyuu! my friends interchange between ibee and kyuu in life

and thank you so much

fair enough ^^ you've got it dude, its hard enough fitting into a binary that is normal, but one that is considered not to be is even harder. im sure you can do this and come out stronger for it. I actually feel the same as you, despite looking like my biological gender I define myself as non binary

thank you so much

You gonna be alright, Ibee?

Maybe, I don't know

I've got a few people that like to try and screw my life similar to whoever is making you feel so awful, but here's the best part about life: change. Even if this person is someone like your parents or other relative, and even if they don't change, you will. Whoever it is won't hurt you so much anymore, because we all grow tougher to the things that constantly nit pick at us. Ideally, this person would just step off their high horse and respect you, which is what I wish for the most. You're a wonderful person, and in the eyes of those who care about you, you always will be, no matter what you wish to identify as. I know I'll always care and respect you, so you've definitely got a supportive friend in me *hugs* Best of luck to you my dear :3 You deserve nothing but the best, because

YOU'RE THE VERY BEST
LIKE NO ONE EVER WAS

As much as I wish it was only one oerson, this is directed at p much everyone. Especially who I meet irl. Abr

There's always the philosophy I adopted... "fuck you, fuck you, and FUCK YOU TOO". I wish you had a more supportive circle of people around you darlin' :( Don't you let these people get you down. You're worth so much more than they could ever possibly convince you of otherwise

Good to know ^ ^ I hate using the wrong pronouns when I talk about people. I'm sorry you can't look how you want because that would make it easier to get people to change those few little words. Hopefully, at least on here, people won't scream at you to look a certain way to be called they. Clothing and looks shouldn't be what validates gender. Sorry you are having a hard time with this right now.

Thank you for making a journal on this, I will be sure to use neutral pronouns from now on and correct people where I can. I'm pretty sure I always used them anyways, it's something I do because I don't believe you can assume someone's gender just because of the way they look or act, and so I keep it neutral until they tell me what they prefer. I apologize if I have ever misgendered you, I did not intend to and I promise I will make up for it now!

Also, if you ever need anyone to vent to about the gender identity stuff my inbox is always open. I'm not cisgendered myself, so I understand how frustrating it can be when people don't respect your gender and I can at least be there to listen, if not give you some friendly advice ; u ;

thank you so much

I just wanted to say sorry ; ( I saw what I did and brain went there I know a few friends that are transitioning themselves and Somes I still screw up. If I had known last night I would have been better about that. I'm not sure I could do that specific pronoun it makes me think of a nonspirit obkect. But I will try. I'm just trying to think of a singular word

honestly I don't think I really recall you doing anything, I was pretty much hiding in mask the whole time and depersonalized *sobs*

Thank you though it means a lot

I know this Ibee person THEY are awesome THEY have great style THEY are hilarious especially in there reference sheets. This is the Ibee I know and we all love.

I'm IBEE!!!!

I've used neutrals when referring to you for a while now, actually! So it's no change for me uwu

I hope that more people start being more respectful to the pronouns that make you the happiest and most comfortable. You deserve comfort.
I wish you the best in all of your future endeavors!

I think it just seems easy to me because I always refer to everyone gender neutral at default until they say otherwise. it's just a habit i've had since a kid. I've always been bitter about gendered things since a kid

do i have to kill a bitch for misgendering u

It's taking me a bit to really get used to the pronouns ;v;
I honestly don't MEAN too misgender by any means x.X
But I understand if that has been upsetting and I do apologize for it!!
It's going to take me a bit to really get used to this for sure ;w;'''

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I look a certain way because I have no choice to and thats what leads people to misgender me. and im accepting that as an unavoidable thing and I don't blame anyone for doing it because of my appearance. it doesn't make me okay with my appearance, it just reaffirms my body dysphoria even more

there are traits people inherently associate with male or female and mixing or avoiding them can lend itself to an androgynous look. when you want people to perceive you as androgynous, thats important.

if someone sincerely says they arent happy with how they look, and for very good reasons, telling them they look fine as they are isnt really the best response.

gender doesnt matter uwu its just a social construct!!! just be you!!! it doesnt matter what people think! uwu being constantly misgendered doesnt matter as long as you are just being you! thats whats important! uwu

Missing the point. This is me telling people I'm agender. That is all the is too it and I want that t be acknowledged.

I'm super well aware about the "imaginary social construct" societies have crated because they are obsessed with th e binary. I have a preference of clothing and style I want to transition into already, which has nothing to do with gender. I would honestly NOT look like someone who was blessed by the estrogen gods which would lead to 99% of society to mistaken me by. I have a desire to look androgynous, I always have. Not out of resentment for my body or who I am. It's just something I find appealing and positive. I just got unlucky.

Assuming that I think it has to be required and telling me I can keep on going exactly how I look is rather insulting to me.what other people do is 100% their choice. However, me? I know what I want and no amount of comforting from people constantly telling me "there is no such thing as looking gender neutral" is going to change that. Because there is such thing as looking androgynous in today's society as "imaginary" as you say it is

Perhaps "imaginary" was far from the correct word to use. I understand where you're coming from and it was wrong of me to act like I knew what I was talking about and I hope you forgive me for that.

looks like somebody couldnt handle the jam

It's not because "I couldn't handle the jam". It's because I realized I was wrong and I admitted to my mistakes and I do hope you can forgive me for that.