Long-forgotten memories
19 years ago
I was talking with Purplecat a bit ago, and somehow the conversation got shifted to furry.ao.net. I'd almost completely forgotten about it, and was actually surprised to see that it still existed. This was the first furry art archive I'd ever discovered, before I'd even started drawing, way back in mid '98 or so.
Anyone remember David Hopkins? Apparently he's still doing webcomics on a regular basis, which also surprised me, but anyway. He was one of my favorite artists back then, and I checked his F.A.N. archive regularly, even though his stuff scared the shit out of me. Seriously, I was only 14, and something about his 'toony style mixed with comics about death, violence, love, fear ... deep stuff ... it just really freaked me out. I was in a daze for half a week after reading Rework the Dead. But DAMN that was a good story. I'm afraid to read Jack, or even look through his gallery. His stuff fills me with a strange mixture of fear, depression and nostalgia. But he's still one of the major influences from my early drawing days that sticks out in my mind. Can I really call him an influence, though? My style and subject matter are about as far from his as you can get. He was the first furry artist that warped my mind, though, before even Doug Winger, so I guess that counts for something.
So! Who was YOUR mind-warping influence? Inquiring minds want to know!
Anyone remember David Hopkins? Apparently he's still doing webcomics on a regular basis, which also surprised me, but anyway. He was one of my favorite artists back then, and I checked his F.A.N. archive regularly, even though his stuff scared the shit out of me. Seriously, I was only 14, and something about his 'toony style mixed with comics about death, violence, love, fear ... deep stuff ... it just really freaked me out. I was in a daze for half a week after reading Rework the Dead. But DAMN that was a good story. I'm afraid to read Jack, or even look through his gallery. His stuff fills me with a strange mixture of fear, depression and nostalgia. But he's still one of the major influences from my early drawing days that sticks out in my mind. Can I really call him an influence, though? My style and subject matter are about as far from his as you can get. He was the first furry artist that warped my mind, though, before even Doug Winger, so I guess that counts for something.
So! Who was YOUR mind-warping influence? Inquiring minds want to know!
Could you tell? ;P
For myself, it as Chalosan but only becuse someone who was furry pointed it out for me. And before thaqt it was someone who drew art with Yoshi's in... but this was years before I actually knew what furries was...
who was my mind warping influence,,,, the artist who did akira XD
Its been a domino affect since.
Though for the mind-warping part it was probably Shannon Douglas, Mamabliss and Doug Winger(sorta mellowed me out to actually like herms) I'm not sure who it was first but something like in that order.
Haha yeah, I remember him. How can one forget when seeing the illogical amounts of money his scribblings go for on furbid.
>_>
At least the artists won't starve.
If you're not popular, i will make so!!!! Becuse drama is so fun!
Ok, just kidding... although it's fun to make fun of drama. >_>
It's fun to make fun of drama under controlled circumstances. One must be careful to not point directly at a specific drama, because once it is named it will arrive to consume you.
Automatic respect and awesome points for anyone else who knew of him.
or more likely
2. Changing his mind
Although stalkers aren't really that hard to avoid on the internet (seriosuly I meet a huge amount of... wierd people), so it's probably 2. :P
At times it felt that he dependant alot on shock value more than anything... almost want me to make a serious comic, but probably with somewhat less emo and violence, and more depth. :/
Then... most furry comics tends to have wierd quirks, blah.
I mean, ever single character in his comics are always so freaking HELPLESS, it's maddening. Everyone is at the mercy of some person or urge or situation. Eventually you stop feeling sympathy for them and just want them to grow some balls.
Oh dear... must stop slamming same artist. I don't have anything against Hopkins, I was a real fan for a while until the same soap opera stuff began to wear on me, and I grew enormously jealous of how much money I saw his mediocre art selling for on furbid.
One of the biggest things that made me frustrated with Jack is that no one questions the absolute moral system all the characters are flung into. Hopkins is a pretty good storyteller: he has a very strong grasp of conventions. But he never takes any risks. Because of that, his work is nothing more than the sum of its parts, albeit that it's a rather large sum.
Also, I regard Drip as an absurdist hero and the most intelligent character in the cast (although he does tend to suffer from the same melodramatic posturing from time to time).
"Ahh, but you tore the tag off of the mattress... of destiny. And that is something god cannot forgive! Eternal hellfire for you!"
"Oh, I should have paid so much more attention to the will of god, even though it makes no sense at all and the author of this story isn't even going to attempt to explain it!"
Drip I found to be a fairly repugnant adolescent rape fetish turned into some sort of dramatic player in all of the Jack melodrama and I really didn't like the popularity the character enjoyed.
All that said, seeing the pretty darn excellent Jack fursuiter at AC06 made me smile a big smile.
But I ramble.
Pics of the fursuiter?
It's in the bible... and intresting, it might speak against thoose... suicide bombers too. Hmm...
But yeah, I remember reading about one of the suicides and finding it unfair how afterlife were just... worse.
"There is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn."
I believe in a persons ability to triumph in their situation, no matter what it is, so Hopkin's moaning, depressive characters really rub me the wrong way.
Jeremy Kidd, hands down.
First pictures I saw were on the old Fatastic Furry Fantasies site, and the ones that got me totally into the fat fur scene had to have been Bob Drake, Stellos, and Dutch. ^^;
Nowadays, Duo Radon, Tolstoy, Hoodah, and Zero. :)
and Doug's amazing moustache
And everyone on my watch list...XP
There are the usual suspects: Doug Winger, Wolf Kidd, Jay Naylor back when he did lots and lots of blood art.
Even though macro is a bit of a turn-off, Ken Sample's style and the way he draws paws were a huuuuuge influence.
Another nod to Chanta-Ra, although it was Mad Doctor Gryph back then. ;)
I used to be a massive Jack / David Hopkins fan... even wrote some fan fiction back in the day. I've kinda grown away from the comic; too much pathos and melodrama for me to handle. I also tend to get lots of creative ideas that I never act on, which really tends to irritate me over time. Nothing against Pepe or anything, I wish him and Katie the best, but I just can't do Jack anymore. ;)
Then I discovered 4chan/b/, and had my brain squicked by Renamon pr0ns (mostly by Karabiner) and Rain Silves (Trancy Mick) - my mind was blown, but I liked it, found FA, got blown away again, and it made me start drawing again.
Besides the above mentioned, I am also greatly influenced by Masamune Shirow, Warner Bros, Jay Naylor, and many many classical artists.
Doug Winger, of course, winds up in there, although I was already having thoughts of hypercocks before I saw his art.
Also I ralse I have no right to post any of this here because I'm not anartist bu I shall do so anyway.
Infact, the most common furry is probably the silent one. The one that watches furry art, and maybe have a account for lurking but that's about it.
Infact, some people probably view artists as gods... but I think thoose people need a little bit of realistic view of the world.
First herms I saw were by Jeremy "Wolf" Kidd.
After I woke up from the ensuing minute-long coma, I was in love. <3
Dove into the YiffCo archive (was a year or so before it shut down and its domain name got bought by Foxxfire), saw every single piece of art there.
I think that's how I found Doug Winger too.
The rest is a blur, digging through countless archives and pages, my mind somehow building a resistance to the extremes (though some shock still occured). A year after I found the fandom, I tried to participate in it, creating Sym Dragon (was infatuated with Flammie at the time), and discovering just how little social experience I had.
Several years of hard knocks to the head, lessons that needed to be learned, and a bit of spiritual self-discovery (resulting in the change to Sym Gryphon), and... here I am.
I feel so lucky I had tolerant, non-religious parents... otherwise, I would have a mile-long line of priests standing outside my door, waiting for their turn to try an exorcism...
... dammit, I have to stop making long comments...
Why no tanks? I'm going to have to draw them myself aren't I? Time to get a scanner and some of that paper stuff.
<_<
And why does Santa still use reindeer? They're obsolete, and they shit. In midair. On your car.
AM I THE ONLY ONE UPSET BY THIS!?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astarte
Or more seriously, it's yet another one of thoose older furs who got fed up
http://furry.wikia.com/wiki/William_Haas
>_>
Weird inn'it? I'm mostly influenced by cartoons from the early 90's though... Ren & Stimpy, Angry Beavers and Rocko's Modern Life were the big three.
My first twistings were clean and giggly submissions to TeamArtail. But the artists responsible for making me say, "hell yeah, let's do this thing" were BattleAngel and ValleyKyrie. Some are ashamed of Sonic influence, but I say to those people, "get over it, you're a furry for Christ's sake."
Oh hey, yeah! I used to check out BA's and ValleyKyrie's stuff on Jab all the time ... Man, Jab's changed a lot. Didn't Fatalis used to post there?
... Y'know, actually, Greg's work was some of the first erotic furry pieces I found. This was WAY back, before I discovered any furry archives at all, when I'd sometimes see a "furry" category on free anime porn websites.
... Cripes, no wonder I'm screwed up. I got thrust into the churning bowels of the internet as soon as I hit puberty.
I started wondering, what it would be like to go through such a transformation, have ears tail and fur. Slowly I began to think that if I had a choice to choose such a form, what would I be, how would I look, and eventually the fur inside of me woke up. Yearning for release.
I suppose if you want to get all meta physical. I still have a human soul at heart... but does it make sense to anyone when I say I'd rather have the Fox I know I want to be in it's place?
Anyway...that's probably way to deep for this, but as to mind Warping...again it started in the stories I've read...but ultimately found it's true and complete liberation when I met up with someone who would eternally change my life forever. IRC is a wonderful place, and well, you meet some very interesting people there. One of which happened to be a very very very loving Kitsune who took a shy self-conscious fox and opened his eyes to a Whole New Existence of possibility.
She laid the foundation for everything that came after blew my mind open nigh completely. And she and I are still together to this day, and I hope for eternity and beyond.
Now, since some people have mentioned herms specificly... I'll say I owe that to another one of my mates, a very playful and affectionate dragoness, unfortinuely, shi's made some choices in life that may render her lost to me forever... both hir and my Kitsune mate...but I am still hopeful for my Kitsune love, that one day things will change again and we can return to what has been lost, if and when she frees herself from the Master/slave relationship she has gotten herself into.
Seems to be yet another one of thoose sites that hadn't upgraded in years.
And the rest, they say, is history.
>_>
I for myself... uhm. I think I actually was 16 at the time when I became a furry (but like, turned 17 a month later). I'm 20 now, and I didn't become active in teh dirtier parts of the fandom until I reached the legal age. :P
I was distressed when Micahfennec put some of her arts (for a few years ago) down, becuse of some drama... sure I actually found it disgusting but I couldn't keep looking and then intrest only grew...
"AoD" isn't really a good artist IMO, but was one of the first artists I saw doing... heavy toilet related stuff. It's beyond me if anyone actually pays for his paysite... since personally I don't belive paysites are profitable nowdays. Commisions are. :)
"Oh my, you have sexy lungs"
That lung thing might been a joke... or not. But you do have a pretty sexy liver as well.
*ffffffffffff*
Happening upon Darkwulf's website, "The Round House". It wasn't one artist in particular, just the stuff there in general. It was quite a few years ago when I found it. It actually took a while to get from looking at it to drawing it.
To this day my parents don't even know that site exists. I have no clue how I managed that. (I found it back in the day when I DIDN'T have a computer of my own.) Same with VCL and other places I looked through (Though I never really browsed VCL nor do I have the desire to. I only looked through it because certain artists who posted on other sites had a much bigger archive on there than they posted elsewhere.)
Stylistically, meh. I've borrowed stuff from people like KitsuneZero, Lyenuv (I adore the big fluffy ears. Still trying to get them to work in my style. I also borrowed the way she did hips for a while but that didn't mesh well), and other more current day folkses, just like people who dived in years ago were probably influenced by the people of their times. And I'm constantly borrowing stuff =p
Aside from the fandom, I've always been rather partial to anthro characters. Fandom was more of a confirmation than an actual change.
Not really mind-warping as it is confirmation of an existing preference. =p
(Liked Anthros
Liked pudgy/fat girls.
Put the two together :D )
Need you ask?
My first instance of furry was before I knew furry art existed. I'd been roleplaying on AOL as an anthromorphic panther in the medievil fantasy realm they had going. It was about a year and a half before I saw a single other anthromorphic animal character on there. They showed me an early John Barret of a panther guy holding a redhead's chest (which quickly became my character pic) and research of John Barret lead me to YiffCo.
YiffCo introduced me to early Winger, all the black and white stuff from the mid-90s which was interesting but not quite compelling. It was actually Ashtoreth's work (aka, William Haas) which inspired me to make my first vixen character.
In my opinion, Haas' vixens are far superior to most other artists. Though, Dark Aldebaran comes remarkibly close in depicting the same 'vulpine goddess' form effect.
Anyway.. It was Haas who lead me to vixens, and Doug that made them hyper.
I actually met Mike Higgs when I/he was playing in Furtoonia (is that place even open still?) and asked him what the attraction to fat girls was; I probably sounded like some sort of persecuting troll at the time, but his answer made a lot of sense and got me to thinking a bit. I'm not head over heels for anything female so long as it's wider than it is tall.... quite the opposite... but I blame him for getting me started down the path to heavy set fems. ^-^
........but I'm still picky about what I like.
Kelvin Lion pointed me in a more specific direction when I commented on some of his fluffdragon characters; after I found furry I made it a personal mission to browse ALL of Yerf and VCL and I actually accomplished it in June of 2002 and that's where I found his stuff. Apparently Yerf knew more than I did about that perversion.
The whole Hopkins issue? Great artist, tho I stopped reading his stuff almost before I started... hits too close to home in a way. I can get my fill of stupidity and psychosis in the real of reality. Sad to hear he's hurting.
I've seen a few Winger pics, and while I like the faces and the body structure, herms creep me out, so again.... fantastic artist, but not into his stuff.
Inspirations are easy; everyone I've ever seen that's done a picture I like. XiJag, Megan Giles, Joe Rosales, Mike Higgs, KelvinLion, Michelle Light, Terry Smith, Brian Sutton, Brian Reynolds, Derrek Dassenbrock, Naylor, Howell, Carspeckens, Roz Gibson, Dutch, Bluth are all significantly notable inspirations with innumerable others in close competition.
Wow! So much blackmail material here, and given so willingly! ^-^
I started tracing and mucking around with 'how to draw sonic and co.' usually drawing sonic and characters as uber pudgy beefcakes.
I drew (very poorly) some expansion sequences on divider pages before they became clear plastic sleeves. At which point I met my first real critisizms and quickly found out that the world sucked for the most part.
Lesse...the wonder of the intarnets came to me while I was still very young (we're talking grade school here), and from there I got tame, but suggestive anime art while eluding detentions and bans from the networks. Later on I began looking into inflation art and found a few anime artists and Stuffed.com along with the Roundhouse. Shannon Douglas in particular got my attention, as well as a few others I can't recall.
The most prominent artist however was Big Horse (Where can I find his more recent stuff?), which was where my world of everything expanding and furs came together.
Ah, Big Horse! No idea. From what I hear he's incognito at the moment, so probably nowhere.
As far as inspiration, well, when I was but a lad, I remember RPing online with some good friends and getting that you-know-what whenever a certain character found herself transforming into this giant dragon majigger. I had no idea why I liked those posts the most at all, since these were the days where you didn't know a boner was a boner.
Later, after I found porn, I remember the very first furry art I found and also the first inflation art I found was an inflation sequence involving Guilmon by Panzer. After that it all slowly evolved from there. I don't remember how I found these places, but Cerine's Inflation pages were my big inflation kink-grower. Sephiroth Ebonblade I happened upon and that got me into the whole penis growing deal. VoreTex was there, too. Eventually more artists got me like Daniel Kay, Yiffer, and the like, and so on.
Once FA started up, I started drawing and here we are today.