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Dogdicks: A Controversial Subject
16 years ago
Recently I've been assaulted with various journals dealing with the subject of diddling animals. There are retarded arguments on both sides. In my dabblings with the community I have also been asked to draw characters with canine dicks and such things.
Myself, I find the sexuality of animals to be something of little more than a biological interest. I do draw furry art, and at times I do also draw adult furry art, however I firmly believe in the separation from fantasy and reality. I love dogs and would like to have one when I am stable and set up. I identify more with animals than I do with people. I want to throw a ball for a dog, feed it, train and play with it. I want it to be a companion for the 12-15 years it will live. I do not want to fuck it. A dog, to me, is not a sexual entity: A dog is a friend.
In all honesty, I think dog dicks are gross. The idea of sexual relations between a human and a dog is disgusting. I don't want your references of dog cocks, I don't want you going off to me about how awesome it is to fuck your dog, and I don't want to think about doghumping. I don't want to look at dog genitals, much less do I want to draw them. Least of all do I want to be grouped in with the people who do these things to their animals. I'm not interested and I don't want to draw my anthros with something that I feel closely ties into this.
Please note: I am not assuming/accusing that you engage in sex with dogs if your character has a dog cock, I just don't like the mental imagery.
Some people go off about how people hate bestiality for the same reasons that they hate homosexuality. Myself, I am not so foolhardy as to think my opinions on dogfucking will change anything, but I'm insulted by the idea that I don't like dogfucking because it's a natural expression of human sexuality. Being gay is a natural expression of human sexuality. Fucking other dudes or other gals or other transgendered/genderqueers is a natural expression of human sexuality. Choosing not to do any of those is one as well.
To me, animals are on the same mental comprehension/emotional understanding level as children. The sole difference is thusly; I fucking hate children, and love animals.
Arguably duping a child/animal into sex is not a natural expression of human sexuality, it is abuse and something akin to statutory rape. Everyone whines on and on about how "consent" is such an issue and the deciding factor on whether or not bestiality should be seen as wrong.
The fact is that you are always an authority point when dealing with an animal such as a dog, or a child. A young child will do almost anything you tell it to, because it sees you as its protector, someone who is looking out for its best interests and as a biologically instilled learning mechanism. You can dupe a child into "consenting" to have sex with you. It's entirely possible. Dogs have undergone domestication, which basically makes them act as juveniles their entire lives, and retain a very similar mental process as described above.
Children grow up and realise the terrors that happened to them. A lot of the time, it fucks them up for the rest of their lives. Animals don't get to grow up and reflect cognitively on things like this, but they can be screwed up all the same. Dogs that have been diddled can develop severe emotional/behavioural problems, and often cannot be re-homed. In those situations, they are often put down. There are medical issues on both sides in regards to engaging in this with animals. Human and dog semen are very different PH levels and both can damage the insides of each other. Don't even get me started on the idea of anal sex with an animal. Humans can do it just fine, with good communication and understanding of where both are in the process.
Animals are equal beings to me, I as a human am no better, higher up, or superior to them. I simply have an ability to plan things far in the future, and an advanced cognitive ability. That doesn't make me better, it makes me responsible. Out of respect and love for them, I would never take advantage of the fact that their minds are simpler. It is not acceptable to fuck children, so the same must go for animals, whom are permanently children.
Furry is not the same as bestiality, just as anime is not the same as paedophilia. There is fantasizing about something in the pretend world, and then there is bringing it into the real world. I understand that these things are not the same.
However, I don't want to draw dog cocks. I just don't like the thought, as to me, it ties in with this whole issue. For many people, it's just a differently shaped phallic object, and that's cool and fine too, I just would prefer not to partake in that. If your character has a dog cock, then whatever, but I don't want to draw your character in a sexual situation, then. God dammit whatever, this has gone on long enough.
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Myself, I find the sexuality of animals to be something of little more than a biological interest. I do draw furry art, and at times I do also draw adult furry art, however I firmly believe in the separation from fantasy and reality. I love dogs and would like to have one when I am stable and set up. I identify more with animals than I do with people. I want to throw a ball for a dog, feed it, train and play with it. I want it to be a companion for the 12-15 years it will live. I do not want to fuck it. A dog, to me, is not a sexual entity: A dog is a friend.
In all honesty, I think dog dicks are gross. The idea of sexual relations between a human and a dog is disgusting. I don't want your references of dog cocks, I don't want you going off to me about how awesome it is to fuck your dog, and I don't want to think about doghumping. I don't want to look at dog genitals, much less do I want to draw them. Least of all do I want to be grouped in with the people who do these things to their animals. I'm not interested and I don't want to draw my anthros with something that I feel closely ties into this.
Please note: I am not assuming/accusing that you engage in sex with dogs if your character has a dog cock, I just don't like the mental imagery.
Some people go off about how people hate bestiality for the same reasons that they hate homosexuality. Myself, I am not so foolhardy as to think my opinions on dogfucking will change anything, but I'm insulted by the idea that I don't like dogfucking because it's a natural expression of human sexuality. Being gay is a natural expression of human sexuality. Fucking other dudes or other gals or other transgendered/genderqueers is a natural expression of human sexuality. Choosing not to do any of those is one as well.
To me, animals are on the same mental comprehension/emotional understanding level as children. The sole difference is thusly; I fucking hate children, and love animals.
Arguably duping a child/animal into sex is not a natural expression of human sexuality, it is abuse and something akin to statutory rape. Everyone whines on and on about how "consent" is such an issue and the deciding factor on whether or not bestiality should be seen as wrong.
The fact is that you are always an authority point when dealing with an animal such as a dog, or a child. A young child will do almost anything you tell it to, because it sees you as its protector, someone who is looking out for its best interests and as a biologically instilled learning mechanism. You can dupe a child into "consenting" to have sex with you. It's entirely possible. Dogs have undergone domestication, which basically makes them act as juveniles their entire lives, and retain a very similar mental process as described above.
Children grow up and realise the terrors that happened to them. A lot of the time, it fucks them up for the rest of their lives. Animals don't get to grow up and reflect cognitively on things like this, but they can be screwed up all the same. Dogs that have been diddled can develop severe emotional/behavioural problems, and often cannot be re-homed. In those situations, they are often put down. There are medical issues on both sides in regards to engaging in this with animals. Human and dog semen are very different PH levels and both can damage the insides of each other. Don't even get me started on the idea of anal sex with an animal. Humans can do it just fine, with good communication and understanding of where both are in the process.
Animals are equal beings to me, I as a human am no better, higher up, or superior to them. I simply have an ability to plan things far in the future, and an advanced cognitive ability. That doesn't make me better, it makes me responsible. Out of respect and love for them, I would never take advantage of the fact that their minds are simpler. It is not acceptable to fuck children, so the same must go for animals, whom are permanently children.
Furry is not the same as bestiality, just as anime is not the same as paedophilia. There is fantasizing about something in the pretend world, and then there is bringing it into the real world. I understand that these things are not the same.
However, I don't want to draw dog cocks. I just don't like the thought, as to me, it ties in with this whole issue. For many people, it's just a differently shaped phallic object, and that's cool and fine too, I just would prefer not to partake in that. If your character has a dog cock, then whatever, but I don't want to draw your character in a sexual situation, then. God dammit whatever, this has gone on long enough.
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Though there is one thing I've never understand, and one thing I think is the center of a lot of controversy... and that is the connection that seems to exist between Pedophilia and Bestiality...
Makes no sense to me lol
A lot of smart dogs have the same kind of mental processing capabilities and mechanisms as children do.
So to me, diddling an animal is the same as diddling a child, which I see as an abhorrent and terrible act.
So... if they are completely different mentally from humans, how can we compare them to humans?
Besides, just for the same of argument... What if the animal is the one that starts it? Wouldn't it be plausable that because there are instances of inter-species (Dog + Sheep, Cat + Dog, Elephant + Rhino) relationships (both sexual, and non sexual) in the wild be a stepping stone for the reasoning that the animal can understand sex for pleasure, and that animals can participate in sexual activities with humans without emotional damage?
Dogs, like a lot of animals, are incredibly sexual creatures usually up until you get them spayed/neutered (though there have been instances where a dog will still hump something after having the procedure done). They'll fuck just about anything if they want to have sex.
What confuses me about the whole "what if the animals starts it?" is... at what point in time have you found yourself in a position where a dog (if you're a boy) shoved your dick into its mouth/vagina/ass or (if you're a girl) shove its dick into your mouth/vagina/ass unless you were intending on having sex with the animal in the first place? The logic behind the argument is a little bit flawed.
This is the cornerstone to a lot of future problems with owning the dog, and is the primary reason why I say 'hold up!'
Dogs are the main thing people think of, but other animals are involved in such things... So before you support or condone all bestiality, you should keep in mind not all animals are the same
Actually I've heard a story of a man who was raped by a deer (may have been a moose...can't remember). The deer RIPPED THROUGH HIS PANTS trying to hump him. Poor man. :(
XD
Dolphin obviously trying to mate with a human who did not start it
I could show you videos of dolphins humping humans on their own if you want to see that animals can start it...
Just for instance on the "What if the animals start it" Have you ever seen a cat or dog in heat? It presents itself to just about anything in an attempt to get some action. Maybe you've seen one of the numerous videos of people swimming withe dolphins and the dolphin obviously attempted to hump the person without any prior stimulation from said person. There are also instance where a dog will hump your leg. Whether that last one is for dominance or for pleasure is of course up for debate, but I think if they hump your leg to the point that they climax it is pretty obvious that it was sexual in some way.
Less complex certainly, but entirely different? No.
Interspecies incidents are:
a) Rare
b) Usually a case of an over-excited, confused male in rutting season. Granted, not all of them... But yea.
If the animal is the one that starts it... You have a case of a dog that doesn't know their place in its relationship with you and is trying to assert dominance over you. It is your job as the responsible adult in the situation to correct the dog in a firm, but gentle manner. Failure to do so can result in many unwanted behaviours from the dog, including aggression.
Some animals understand sex for pleasure, and even masturbate. However, bending over for a dog/going at a dog from behind can cause serious problems, both in the areas of the dog being fucking terrified of you (Too submissive) or being aggressive and overprotective, trying to be the 'leader' instead of you.
Far be it from me to discourage people from doing something harmless and fun, but this isn't necessarily harmless. I'm even cool with people doing something fun that only harms themselves -- But when it involves another life, it becomes unacceptable. From a medical risk standpoint and a practical standpoint of owning a dog, it's not a good idea.
On the same token, some kids understand the concepts of sex and masturbate too, but it's still inappropriate to mess around with a child.
THIS. I know some people would try to say that it ISN'T the same thing, but it IS. Some children begin experimenting with their bodies as early as age three or four, but does it make them mature sexual beings that understand what they might be consenting to? Of course not! Just because pigs have sex for pleasure doesn't mean that the svelte young collie next door is begging for it.
That's not what I said at all. Pigs are one of the animals that biologists believe derive pleasure from intercourse. I never implied that it somehow makes them A-OKAY to screw. If you honestly got that from my example, you're really reachin', buddy.
I'm asking you, if they have sex for pleasure, or are sexually mature, is it OK to have sex for them.
You left those avenues open, I was just trying to insure what your full point was/is.
Ugh, I'm sorry to get into an argument in your journal, Aer. People like this make me so angry. >.<
It does indeed suck that you have such a negative opinion about people that do not agree with you that you begin to assume that they are what you hate, even if they never stated that they participate in such activities.
In fact, the only thing I actually disagree with in the slightest is the connection between children and animals, but that is merely on the basis that I have heard arguments (from both sides) that utilize this for different outcomes... which is just confusing.
Because it's dangerous to. It's a very slippery slope.
What if you enjoy doing it? You enjoy it, they enjoy it, no one is harmed, what's the problem?
And what dangers are you talking about?
I mean, you do realize that all Zoos actually care for their animals, love them even, so it's not like they are going to physically harm the animal to get off. I mean yes, there are some rare cases where the human does not care about the animals well being, but that is known as Zoosadism... which is completely different from Zoophilia IMHO.
I wouldn't say that it's not your job to. In fact, I think it is a human's job to relieve their pets' sexual discomfort, because I'm sure it does torment them. So they should have their pets neutered to stop that.
If they are not pre-approved to be of superior genetic material, or classed in a category where they are necessary for reproduction then lets just cut their balls off and save them the torment of worrying about sex when they are older.
Hell while we are at it, we'll just kill off the mentally handicapped as they will never live a fulfilling life
I mean, if it's our job to relieve their torment, and slicing and dicing is acceptable means... why not?
Oh, right... Opinions... Not everyone things the same way... some people do not think that neutering is a good solution. Some even believe it can cause more problems than it solves... Sort of like Circumcision...
You're looking for the word libel.
Such standards set the standard of life for the people living in a lawful state.
Example: person A believes blacks should not have the same rights as whites.
Your position on opinions? Their opinion cannot be wrong because its an opinion. But by thinking about it for more than a second you can outright call their opinion false.
I don't care for your argument on this topic but merely the misguided nature in which you perceive opinions.
"it's based on our personal beliefs"
What happened to forming opinions on facts instead of beliefs? I would venture to say that you're in support of romantic same-sex relationships which places in you in the "wrong" catagory of someone who believes that their bible which is the word of god says is wrong.
Now thats someone's belief, in fact, many people share that belief. So is it right or wrong? Well you would argue it's wrong if you're of the opinion of same-sex relationships and most certainly the issue at hand (beastiality) which is also condemned by the same bible.
Do you apply the ones that allow a man to trade his wife for a goat, then marry said goat? Do you call them a Felon, or is it a criminal case? Misdemeanor? Or what?
Each state has their own beliefs, some it is OK, others it can land you 10 years in jail...
It is an opinion... everything is... it's just a matter of how many people who agree with you determines if it is law or not...
Forgot them yet?
Is it merely an opinion that its wrong to discriminate?
Is it merely an opinion that its wrong to kill everyone you can see because you were bored?
Why is it wrong or taboo to kill and eat a dog, but not a cow? Is that not descimination?
Why isn't it wrong or taboo to go hunting for sport? Why is it sanctioned by the government?
Why is it OK to coop up thousands of animals strictly to eat them later, but not OK to do that for humans?
Why is it ok to drink alcohol, which causes thousands of deaths, but Marijuana is OK?
Opinions...
Did I say I agreed with all of that? You're avoiding the question because you cannot accept an opinion can be right or wrong. Your examples even imply that you actually believe that opinions have a degree of rightness to them.
I'm simply supplying what I consider proof to my statement that it's all about opinion
You're the type of person that would sanction the murder of people over the age of 65 because they're not "useful".
Why do I say something like that? Because you can't look at the facts, but merely opinions.
You do not know my true opinion on anything. You're just making up assumptions because you are mad at me.
It's OK, I do not mind.
Sorry, veal is better.
You're insane, thats baby cow.
Chicken. It tastes like chicken.
I'm stimulating thought here... you could at least try to do that
I have based my opinions on medical fact, and psycholoigical fact wherein to the relation of behavioural trends in dogs.
If you had read my post in its entirety, you would understand that it is based upon:
a) interaction with dogs
b) accounted situations
c) advice from veterinarians and others learned on the subject
d) information gleaned from textbooks I have read.
"b" could arguably be considered as hearsay, however with "a" through "d" this merely becomes a strengthening point.
If you read MY comment you would see what I'm trying to achieve here.
Which is bluntly put, that facts should be the basis of an opinion and an opinion can be right or wrong.
You're going about this the correct way and i'm also in SUPPORT of what you're saying.
Because you made references to the Bible in what you said, and used the word 'you' a lot in response to something I said, I did think you were referring to me.
I apologise. :3 Simple misunderstanding.
I was saying "you" to Quiet...
I'm sorry for not making it clear enough. :3
IQ is somewhat subjective, but there's most likely precedent for sexual abuse of a mentally challenged adult.
So... are there levels when it comes to animals?
Some people claim to be able to understand their animals, because they've gotten to know some of their body language or noises, can communicate to a degree, and have greatly anthropomorphized their pets' behaviour, but truly, you can't really know how a dog or a horse thinks or feels or perceives the world or their own existence.
There are always shades of grey for any situation, but thus far, no animals have shown us a level of understanding and logic that would make them fit to make that decision. We, as humans, are the ones who change -their- lives. Not the other way around.
As I said at the start of this... it's all about opinions...
Whether you want to read it as bad, or good... unless you are in a state that it is illegal in, then that is up to you.
Until they actually test specifically for this sort of thing... it's all based on opinion
I honestly can't think of anything to say that you didn't say pretty damn clearly here. We're on the same wavelength, I suppose. XD
Homosexuality is a sexual orientation.
Zoophilia is a sexual preference.
There is a very big difference there.
I'm fairly certain that, in regards biological "hard-wiring" of sexual orientation, genders of our own species are the only ones that are factored in. How often in nature do you see an animal that will ONLY engage in sexual activities with members of another species, even if surrounded by plenty of their own? I've never seen or heard of a situation like that, but I'm sure it's possible.
Dick is dick. Saying "only attracted to dog dick" is kind of silly because, well, all dicks are different. I'm a homosexual man and I've seen many, many penises. No two penises are exactly alike, so trying to make a sexual orientation distinction between them is kind of silly. Sure, dog dicks don't like like human dicks, but, then again, my dick doesn't look like my fiance's either.
I apologize for giving a "srs business" reply if this was a joke post, by the way. Sarcasm doesn't get across over the internet well to me. XD
But I do believe that pedophilia can be viewed as a legitimate sexuality. Immoral to most, but I'd still say it could be legit.
I was a zoophile for many years, and basically fell 100% into the EbonLupus school of thought. (I was non-practicing; just limited to "I sure would like to have a non-neutered dog someday" fantasies that never actually happened, then I read some very convincing arguments about CONSENT and I'm better now THANK GOD.) The whole "dog dicks are hot" thing is kind of still there, which is why my character has one (well, sort of--it's kind of a hybridized design, but anyway) but I probably hate real-live doggy diddling as much as Aer does. We seem to have differing stances over the sub-point about whether it's cool to draw knots on your dog furries, but I can certainly understand the sentiment there and will not argue with that at all.
Diddled.
As for the whole furry penis debate I don't really care for the most part if someone has a human dong or a more "realistic" one. Though when someone puts a horse dick on anything but a horse that is just wrong looking D:
same here, Aer. thanks for making sense of what i couldn't put into words! and also for using the correct terms "transgendered" and "genderqueer." nobody EVER does that right. transgenderism??? wtf is that? :D
it is so awesome to fuck my dog
i'll give you refs
you can draw it
As for homosexuality and zoophilia being similar, don't even get me started.
You can't tell what's going on their heads, they can't speak up saying "Gosh, stop it, I don't want this", so if they don't do anything to struggle that automatically means they want it up their arses?
It's a matter of risks, it's simple really, people usually don't have sex without condoms because of the high risk of pregnancy or diseases, people also shouldn't be fucking animals because of the high risk of mentally scarring the poor thing. PRIORITIES PEOPLE, PRIORITIES.
SAFE SEX: fuck a human. :)
I love anthro art but I can clearly place a separation of real and not real. And having an animal doing it's thing on you just makes me sick.
Holy SHIT, what an idiot. :U
Family pets are not where cock goes.
Just... urgh.
That said, Aer for president :3
IT'S CREEPY EITHER WAY THOUGH SO UH
...Yeah.
aer/palin 2012
SOMETHING YOU WILL QUICKLY LEARN ABOUT ME IF YOU ACTUALLY GET TO KNOW ME: I will sometimes type the opposite of what I mean to say, because my brain is a pile of mush which cannot comprehend the difference between did and didn't.
Joy is me. :B
Never approach a "Tied" dog... you freak one of them out, and they separate... that's going to hurt both parties...
I don't think I would ever approach a dog in a sexual manner, so
Not much I need to worry about there. 8u
BUT UH, THANKS FOR THE CONCERN.
Yeaaah.
Used to be a pretty common occurrence in my town lol...
...Yeah, even still, I'd probably just back away.
Reaaaal.
Slowly.
Mhm.
I've seen people try to shoo them away -_- it just causes them to hurt themselves
It was just an odd reference to how some damage could possibly be tied. The person did not like the idea of bestiality so I didn't want to mention something involving that, and chose something I remember from a kid.
However, in the same vein, its kind of silly to assume that because you see dogs tied often that others would encounter it often as well.
i dont 'agree' with diddling, but does your resentment go so far to art?
I could be wrong, though. o:
I'll sometimes make a venture to draw human ones with knots for something a little different... But not full on dog ones. It just gives me the heebies.
Anyone who'll harass an artist over not giving an anthropomorphic creature "zöologically correct" genitalia [and I'm sure that somewhere out there, some furry has bitched out an artist for drawing humanoid wangs instead of pointy ones] can go get castrated, seriously.
*what offends me is furries who objectify animal genitals (KNOTS MURRR). -that- is creepy, because that means if my [hypothetical] dog pops a stiffy like they are wont to do, some scary fuck is going to be jerking over it.
so basically, animal genitals don't freak me out... but the people who are obsessed with them do. and that's what makes me more hesitant than anything, but I don't outright swear it off.
I would say "lolfurries," but the whole thing is just too damn irritating.
I have a friend who gets enraged with misplaced dog cock urethras. It's pretty hilarious.
Thankfully I've not had the experience of dealing with anyone who takes their obsession for dog-cock that one step too far, but I'd honestly have no problem with contacting the authorities if they provided me with enough evidence to do so.
It's illegal for a reason :l
people have sex with their pets?!!
...
thats not tight :c
Out of curiousity (and feel free to not answer if you wish) is this journal in response to some sort of complaint about not drawing said animal parts?
a) the bitch "needs it" when in heat (spay your dog)
b) their cowboy ancestors did it (victim of hickage)
^-^
But I wonder what if a dog and a child accidently.. -the whole sex
What would be wrong, or rather who started such a situation???