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DISCUSSION: Fallout 4 (Sequel speculation)
9 years ago
Greetings, fluffies.
I think its been a long-enough time for folks to finish their Fallout playthrough that we can discuss it openly without ruining anything. So I'm going to do a series of discussion topics on Fallout. Originally I planned to only write one journal on Fallout 4, but then I realized... its just too big of a topic! Its better to slice it up into manageable pieces.
Lets start with Fallout 5 speculation.
This is a topic that's been on my mind, probably throughout the latter half of my own playthrough of Fallout 4. After the initial wide-eyed wonder of plodding through my home city in ruins, with its unbelievable fidelity and storytelling, I found myself looking for clues to future releases. Why?
By the end of Fallout 3, we had a good idea of where Fallout 4 would take place because of the quest "The Replicated Man", which speaks extensively about a place of high technology called "The Commonwealth", where there are synthetic humans being produced, and that they sometimes escape due to the meddling of a group called "The Railroad". From this information, it was pretty obvious that Boston would be the next city. But.... I haven't found a similar story in Fallout 4 that indicates a location for Fallout 5. So I would like hear your thoughts!
Here are a few theories of my own...
A Return to the Capital Wasteland
The elephant in the room first: There is one place outside of The Commonwealth that's mentioned extensively - The Capital Wasteland. If mentions are the sole metric, Fallout 5 will revisit Washington DC. Why? Well, conversations with The Brotherhood have indicated that The Brotherhood shifted in leadership towards a more militaristic and intolerant culture, similar to the BoS in Fallout 1. This new Brotherhood consolidated power over DC wasteland and is now projecting that power via airships like the Prydwen. Furthermore, conversations with MacCready indicate that they are running the place like a military dictatorship. This makes DC fertile ground for a revisit.
First: its sort-of been reset, which means your Fallout 3 playthrough can still be your personal canon without affecting Fallout 5's "official" canon.
Second: We are already given a moral quandary. There is a choice between the authority that tamed the wasteland, and fighting their oppression.
Third: We are teased with the idea of multiple Prydwens, perhaps even a huge drydock for airships.
Forth: ... and this is "the big one", which isn't DC per-se, but its definitely something they've been setting up... There was a schism between east coast BoS and west coast BoS. At some point, I think they will clash.
New York
Another obvious choice, but limited somewhat by the engine technology. New York would require much more powerful computers, but in 5 years or whatever, who knows? I do hope that they make most of New York a crater though. Its seems weird that both Vegas and Boston seem to have survived mostly-intact. It would be nice if some of the cities were actually hit directly. I haven't seen any hints about NYC, but its a reasonable choice for a Fallout game, considering its importance, culture, and landmarks.
First: Biggest city in the US, so they're likely to do it sometime
Second: Bethesda is based in Maryland, and it seems like they are dividing the Fallout Universe to east coast (Bethesda), and west coast (Obsidian, makers of New Vegas and Fallouts 1 and 2 under the name of Black Isle). New York is a short trip from Maryland to send agents and artists to investigate and capture the feel of the place.
Florida
This is actually where I think the next one will be. What a perfect location! So much material. You have a giant racetrack at Daytona, the Everglades, Disney, Universal, MGM, Epcot, you have Key West.... and the big one: you have Kennedy Spaceport.
First: This is a bit of a smack with a wet fish... you have JANGLES THE FREAKIN' MOON MONKEY. A cartoon character (Disney) going into space (Kennedy). We haven't seen much in terms of rocketry yet except REPCONN, and I think those were more for ICBMs than space transit. There's a lot of potential with playing up a space-race too, good material for red-scare propaganda.
Second: Pip boy is now a cartoon. We are given Pip boy cartoon infomercials about "What makes you SPECIAL". We are also given more fidelity into other cartoon media through the comic books like The Unstoppables, Grognak the Barbarian, and The Silver Shroud. In terms of The Silver Shroud, at Hubris Comics in Boston they talked about making a Silver Shroud movie.
Third: Such excellent DLC potential. Going to the moon! Maybe you will run into Jason Bright there? Expect "Fly Me To The Moon" to be on your local radio.
Forth: Its just really REALLY hard to one-up MIT and technology-run-amok. Where do you go from there? Rocketry and space seems to fit that bill.
Fifth: RadGators... 'nuff said.
Mohave
This seems unlikely if it weren't for a dropped hint. Its unlikely both because WE'VE BEEN THERE BEFORE, and its not like New Vegas has been reset like DC was... and also because the Mohave would usually fall under Obsidian's domain (not Bethesda's). This makes me wonder if we might see a Fallout New Vegas 2... but I have trouble seeing how that would work without pulling a Bioware and reading into your old savegames. So I wonder if we will visit another city in or around the Mohave - a city far enough away from Vegas to not be affected by what you did in Fallout: New Vegas.
The hint comes from Jack Cabot during the quest "Secret of the Cabot House". At the end, if you side with Jack, when you return to get the gun he promised, he will mention that his research indicates a "Hidden alien city buried beneath the Mohave". Did we find such a city in New Vegas? I didn't. So they're clearly setting us up for a return to the Mohave at some future time.
Outside the US
This is a bit of a controversial suggestion. To date, the game has played heavily on 1950's type Mccarthyism, and creepily rampant nationalism. But eventually, as the games carve off large swaths of the US with each DLC, they will have to look elsewhere. There are two clues here.
First: Cait clearly states that she's from Ireland, and the way she looks and speaks corroborates that. How did she get to Boston? Could the next game be in the British Isles?
Second: Jack Cabot clearly states that Lorenzo found the alien crown in an alien city in the Middle East. This seems terribly far-fetched to me.... but maybe someday?
And finally: (This is purely my idea and I have no evidence for it but I think it would be really cool), What if they pick a Canadian city. In Fallout lore, corroborated by the intro video to Fallout 1, the US forcibly annexes Canada during the resource wars prior to China's invasion of Alaska. So... what would that look like? You may have bombed out cities that were destroyed without nukes. Lots of military hardware, checkpoints, secret police. Talk of a 51st state, resistance against the occupying army, collaborators... and all of this without even choosing a city! You already start ahead with so much material. Then the bombs fall and sort of "freeze" this precarious world. Maybe the decedents of the military become The Enclave? And maybe the resistance is still fighting them?... just an idea.
So what do you think? Have you found any telling hints about what we might see in Fallout 5? Do you have any crazy ideas of your own? Please add them below! Thanks :)
~ Jaspian
I think its been a long-enough time for folks to finish their Fallout playthrough that we can discuss it openly without ruining anything. So I'm going to do a series of discussion topics on Fallout. Originally I planned to only write one journal on Fallout 4, but then I realized... its just too big of a topic! Its better to slice it up into manageable pieces.
Lets start with Fallout 5 speculation.
This is a topic that's been on my mind, probably throughout the latter half of my own playthrough of Fallout 4. After the initial wide-eyed wonder of plodding through my home city in ruins, with its unbelievable fidelity and storytelling, I found myself looking for clues to future releases. Why?
By the end of Fallout 3, we had a good idea of where Fallout 4 would take place because of the quest "The Replicated Man", which speaks extensively about a place of high technology called "The Commonwealth", where there are synthetic humans being produced, and that they sometimes escape due to the meddling of a group called "The Railroad". From this information, it was pretty obvious that Boston would be the next city. But.... I haven't found a similar story in Fallout 4 that indicates a location for Fallout 5. So I would like hear your thoughts!
Here are a few theories of my own...
A Return to the Capital Wasteland
The elephant in the room first: There is one place outside of The Commonwealth that's mentioned extensively - The Capital Wasteland. If mentions are the sole metric, Fallout 5 will revisit Washington DC. Why? Well, conversations with The Brotherhood have indicated that The Brotherhood shifted in leadership towards a more militaristic and intolerant culture, similar to the BoS in Fallout 1. This new Brotherhood consolidated power over DC wasteland and is now projecting that power via airships like the Prydwen. Furthermore, conversations with MacCready indicate that they are running the place like a military dictatorship. This makes DC fertile ground for a revisit.
First: its sort-of been reset, which means your Fallout 3 playthrough can still be your personal canon without affecting Fallout 5's "official" canon.
Second: We are already given a moral quandary. There is a choice between the authority that tamed the wasteland, and fighting their oppression.
Third: We are teased with the idea of multiple Prydwens, perhaps even a huge drydock for airships.
Forth: ... and this is "the big one", which isn't DC per-se, but its definitely something they've been setting up... There was a schism between east coast BoS and west coast BoS. At some point, I think they will clash.
New York
Another obvious choice, but limited somewhat by the engine technology. New York would require much more powerful computers, but in 5 years or whatever, who knows? I do hope that they make most of New York a crater though. Its seems weird that both Vegas and Boston seem to have survived mostly-intact. It would be nice if some of the cities were actually hit directly. I haven't seen any hints about NYC, but its a reasonable choice for a Fallout game, considering its importance, culture, and landmarks.
First: Biggest city in the US, so they're likely to do it sometime
Second: Bethesda is based in Maryland, and it seems like they are dividing the Fallout Universe to east coast (Bethesda), and west coast (Obsidian, makers of New Vegas and Fallouts 1 and 2 under the name of Black Isle). New York is a short trip from Maryland to send agents and artists to investigate and capture the feel of the place.
Florida
This is actually where I think the next one will be. What a perfect location! So much material. You have a giant racetrack at Daytona, the Everglades, Disney, Universal, MGM, Epcot, you have Key West.... and the big one: you have Kennedy Spaceport.
First: This is a bit of a smack with a wet fish... you have JANGLES THE FREAKIN' MOON MONKEY. A cartoon character (Disney) going into space (Kennedy). We haven't seen much in terms of rocketry yet except REPCONN, and I think those were more for ICBMs than space transit. There's a lot of potential with playing up a space-race too, good material for red-scare propaganda.
Second: Pip boy is now a cartoon. We are given Pip boy cartoon infomercials about "What makes you SPECIAL". We are also given more fidelity into other cartoon media through the comic books like The Unstoppables, Grognak the Barbarian, and The Silver Shroud. In terms of The Silver Shroud, at Hubris Comics in Boston they talked about making a Silver Shroud movie.
Third: Such excellent DLC potential. Going to the moon! Maybe you will run into Jason Bright there? Expect "Fly Me To The Moon" to be on your local radio.
Forth: Its just really REALLY hard to one-up MIT and technology-run-amok. Where do you go from there? Rocketry and space seems to fit that bill.
Fifth: RadGators... 'nuff said.
Mohave
This seems unlikely if it weren't for a dropped hint. Its unlikely both because WE'VE BEEN THERE BEFORE, and its not like New Vegas has been reset like DC was... and also because the Mohave would usually fall under Obsidian's domain (not Bethesda's). This makes me wonder if we might see a Fallout New Vegas 2... but I have trouble seeing how that would work without pulling a Bioware and reading into your old savegames. So I wonder if we will visit another city in or around the Mohave - a city far enough away from Vegas to not be affected by what you did in Fallout: New Vegas.
The hint comes from Jack Cabot during the quest "Secret of the Cabot House". At the end, if you side with Jack, when you return to get the gun he promised, he will mention that his research indicates a "Hidden alien city buried beneath the Mohave". Did we find such a city in New Vegas? I didn't. So they're clearly setting us up for a return to the Mohave at some future time.
Outside the US
This is a bit of a controversial suggestion. To date, the game has played heavily on 1950's type Mccarthyism, and creepily rampant nationalism. But eventually, as the games carve off large swaths of the US with each DLC, they will have to look elsewhere. There are two clues here.
First: Cait clearly states that she's from Ireland, and the way she looks and speaks corroborates that. How did she get to Boston? Could the next game be in the British Isles?
Second: Jack Cabot clearly states that Lorenzo found the alien crown in an alien city in the Middle East. This seems terribly far-fetched to me.... but maybe someday?
And finally: (This is purely my idea and I have no evidence for it but I think it would be really cool), What if they pick a Canadian city. In Fallout lore, corroborated by the intro video to Fallout 1, the US forcibly annexes Canada during the resource wars prior to China's invasion of Alaska. So... what would that look like? You may have bombed out cities that were destroyed without nukes. Lots of military hardware, checkpoints, secret police. Talk of a 51st state, resistance against the occupying army, collaborators... and all of this without even choosing a city! You already start ahead with so much material. Then the bombs fall and sort of "freeze" this precarious world. Maybe the decedents of the military become The Enclave? And maybe the resistance is still fighting them?... just an idea.
So what do you think? Have you found any telling hints about what we might see in Fallout 5? Do you have any crazy ideas of your own? Please add them below! Thanks :)
~ Jaspian
Going to the capital wasteland is the most common sense one since obviously the bos presence in fallout 4 and because in the development cycle one of the major issues facing the current eastcoast bos is the encroachment of ncr finally making its way further east.
The super LONG shot but is backed by in game assets is we may finally go to china with the help of our ghoulish submarine friends.
Beyond that probably some underwater stuff being done, IE putting in things to fight down there or underwater caves/bases/vaults to explore. Marthas Vineyard is pretty close by but they may have to much of a samey feel from the one dlc from fallout 3.
More fallout is never bad fallout though.
The fight will also depend on whether you consider Fallout Tactics to be canon. 'cuz there's another "Healthy" BoS faction around Chicago, if you do consider Tactics to be canon.
I think the underwater stuff is pretty obvious. The clear Lovecraftian elements of Fallout4 (Dunwich Borers, Pickman Gallery, Cabot House) makes sense for Fallout4 because Lovecraft lived in and around Boston for most of his life. But the complete lack of a Cthulhu themed horrors is striking. That, combined with the allusion of multiple "alien cities" in the Cabot story, and the deleted quest "20 Leagues Under the Sea" ... indicates to me that it might not have been deleted.... but rather, removed to expand it into one of the DLC. I think it will be a fallout equivalent of the sunken city of R'lyeh.
Plymouth Rock, for one. So maybe something with the Pilgrims.
Then you have the start of the Cape Cod arm-thingie. A lot of the speculation is that Cape Cod will the the location of one of the DLCs since its sort-of obvious.
Further south there's Martha's Vinyard... famed vacation location of presidents and rich people. This is another place that's likely to be DLC.
And then there's Nantucket, which has a lot of really lewd poetry... about a man from there... <.<
But yeah I concur. I was in the Glowing Wastes with X-88 and he made a comment that something in there that looked like it was built AFTER the war. I looked and I couldn't find what he was talking about. So I think it will be something crazy hidden in the Glowing Sea where nobody thought anyone would look.
That's just my speculation tho :P