The gameplay seems like a slow paced qte-marathon. I'm not fond of it.

Yeah, I'm not fond of the corridor-fighting scripted events either. The constant jerking motion of going to scripted execution move to scripted execution move does not look good :/.

Well the scripted kills are a big splashy selling point so they're gonna wanna showcase them as much as possible in order to grab the attention of people who're unfamiliar with the series. Hopefully when actually playing the game itself, there'll be more involved gunplay.

So the melee executions remind me of Serious Sam 3: BFE, which is fine, honestly. I am concerned that the chainsaw looks like it's super overpowered in the Conan video, but that could just be due to easy mode or something.

And good God, that box art is the WORST. UGH. >_<

Yeah, I'm often curious as to how the chainsaw will be balanced in the final game, though in fairness, Doom 3 had a really overpowered chainsaw too, delivering something crazy like 500-dmg-per-second. However, it still wasn't all that useful since most enemies could get a swipe at you before you could kill them with it, so this game might do the same thing.

The cover art looks horrible -_- But hey, a crappy game needs a crappy game box to come in right?

Well that's not fair. I doubt I'll love it like the old games, but I'm still gonna actually play it before I pass judgment on it. ^_^;

I guess I just feel so jaded, considering it still looks way to much like Doom 3. I was hoping they were going to go with Doom's traditional art style, but enhanced in new-age graphics technology. There is a different between Looks and Feels, when I play games. If it looks terrible, I wont play it. If it looks beautiful but plays horribly, I wont play it. There needs to be compromise and love, and I just dont see it in Doom anymore. Also not to mention Brutal Doom was heavily mimicked and used for the new content, and Srg.Marks has every right to be pissed off completely.

Of course, that being said my love for the original games are still purely loved by me. I just hope Zandronum continues to hold and develop Doom for many years to come.

The designs for the enemies generally seem more in line with their classic counterparts, at least. Outside of maybe Mario games, you generally don't see straight updates of old designs in new games. Even Final Fantasy and Zelda are constantly tweaking character designs despite repeatedly recycling old enemies.

I'll agree that I don't really get the Doom "feel" from the promotional material they've released so far, but that might change when I actually play it. It's hard to say. I'll have to see for myself.

If nothing else, I'm looking forward to writing a review of it for the DFC. XD

+1 Crappy games will be crappy!

Exactly, and I truly believe Doom will never recover from this, if the game is bad. If it's gonna be as bad as Duke Nukem Forever, then Doom is officially finished. Except of course, Doom 1 and Doom 2 will still live on forever as one of the most cultural games created.

I think the game will be good, but you and I need to image it with a non Doom Title on it. (IF that rules is applied to Doom3, then that game is not toally bad anymore.
There majorly 2 things this days. A. We and people like use have a centrain image in head (heavily shaped on Classic Doom 1 and 2) and we get to dissapointed when the game not meet those. And B. Thanks to Consoles and CoD the whole costumer base in the marked shifted quiet alot away from what we have in mind.

I mean it almost impossible to play a fast paced 3d shooter when you use a gamepad. the Aiming responce speed it simply to slow. So since the companys want to sell on all platforms they tone down the game speed so a gamepad user can aim as nicely as a PC guru. And with that the whole gameplay experince alternates as well as monster placement / use. And befor you notice it the whole game is alot more liek CoD then classic Doom2 / Duke 3d. And I think that is the core isue we are facing.

Bad cover art, and the collector's edition doesn't even include a reprint of the classic Doom comic? For shame! Granted I will most likely still buy the normal version just to see what it's like, but I have better things to waste my disposable income on.

*Gets blasted with steam*

Yeah, yeah, Gabe, hold your horses till I can get my wallet out.

Yeah, I'm not all that interested in the collector's edition either. As cool as it looks, the revenant was never a favorite enemy of mine. I want some burly demon beef to put on my shelf, not blood and bones. XD

How does the new Cyberdemon design strike your fancy then? Good, better, worse than its previous incarnations?

Hm... Probably my least favorite so far. I mean, it doesn't really look bad exactly, but its face is almost...cutesy, and he looks like some sorta rock monster rather than a robot beast. It doesn't really strike fear in me like the classic cyberdemon's design, or the Doom 3 cyberdemon and its utterly bizarre headgear. (And his big, meaty arms and thighs, yessir).

Doom 3's Cyberdemon was quite a looker indeed. I daresay ALMOST more than the original....*ducks for cover*

Well I can't fault you much about that. It was a pretty good redesign. It's one of the few monster designs Seneca Menard did for Doom 3, which is a shame since he seems more talented than...the other guy who did most of the monster designs that I forgot the name of. XD

The cover looks too halo'ish.

We're doomed!

In approximately three months. XD

Reading these comments just reaffirms the widely-shared belief...

"You can't fucking please Doom fans"

Thr game looks like a fun, violent shooter with a little dark humour thrown in. People bitching about scripted events....hello? Crushing ceilings anyone? SCRIPTED EVENT.

It might not live up to our doughy-eyed nostalgia, but nothing ever does, does it? It's gonna be a riotous good laugh of a game, just enjoy it for what it is.

I'll admit that the E3 reveal last year didn't blow me away and I was kinda disappointed in what was shown, but I've warmed up to the game since then -- at least enough to look forward to the opportunity to play it. I mean, I've yet to play an outright bad Doom game -- even the Doom RPG games were fun for me -- so this one deserves a chance too.

But yeah, I was pretty surprised by the negative responses here. You'd think Doom fans would be a little more excited for a new Doom game. ^_^;

Admittedly the player on the cover art looks better than I'd feared. The armor is nice and is reminiscent of the old doomguy's armor, just it's full body power armor. Like some sort of mashup of Master Chief, Samus Aran, and Doomguy.

That being said yes it's very boring and static. Game itself looks fun though.

Yeah, if nothing else, I'm glad Doomguy's wearing a helmet again. Always struck me as really bizarre that the Doom 3 marines decided to go without headgear. It never felt right to me.

And as "Halo" as it might seem, I do kinda like the power armor thing in this game. It lets Doomguy retain his old-school "superpowers" while giving more plausible reasoning for it to appease modern gamers who need explanations and logic for everything. XD

Though I would appreciate an 'old school doomguy' skin option.

And yeah, you're in space fighting fucking demons with your bare hands in a place that probably has no air. power armor is logical.

Well presumably the Mars bases would have air, but life support might be damaged from the attack, so it's still sensible to have gear that can handle potentially hazardous atmosphere. And as for Hell, I assume any potential oxygen would sear your lungs and smell awful, so yeah, having your own air would be great in that case. XD

Yeah, while Doom 3 might not have entirely captured the essence of Doom, I appreciated its focus on atmosphere, as I always enjoyed the creepy, gloomy ambiance of the Doom series (which is often ignored in favor of its high speed and carnage). Hopefully this game will feature at least a few sprinklings of those creepy vibes.

The article is useless to me as it doesn't elaborate on "PC". I use Linux, does PC mean both, or just Windows?

Unfortunately I don't know a thing about Linux so I couldn't tell you. ^_^;

No worries.

Approaching this cautiously, the weapons look like they don't provide much punch compared to mods like Brutal Doom which I am fairly confident they took a lot of inspiration from. Just hope they don't make those weapons peashooters like in Doom 3, modding is a concern as well since it looks like they are trying to get rid of it with this snapmap bs

Snapmap is at least a step up from Doom 3 BFG, which didn't allow modding of any kind. I'm still looking forward to it myself. I'm hoping a simple grid-based editor will open up the modding scene a lot more to inexperienced designers (like myself, if I'm being honest) who'd be completely lost if given full-fledged mod tools.

If they want to provide basic mod tools for people that's all well and good but if they don't provide the full set to the big modders out there and restrict it to just this snapmap thing then this game is fucked. The reason why the older doom games are even still relevant today is cause of the modding community if they try to stamp it out without any real compensation then this game will fall flat on it's face.

I'm not sure. People have been able to milk a lot out of Super Mario Maker despite it not being a full-fledged modding tool. And Doom 3 had full modding capability, but its mod scene never took off like the original Doom's. We'll just have to see what happens and how flexible SnapMap really is.

Mario Maker is able to be milked as it is cause they don't have to worry about weapon damage numbers or new abilities. Cause of the ability to mess with the games code you are able to get mods like Brutal Doom and Guncaster that introduce things that weren't in the game giving new powers, guns and animations for both monster and player alike.

Well you won't have to worry about weapon damage numbers and new abilities in this game either since you won't be able to mod them. XD

But that's my point, if we can't have mods like that in this game cause they won't open the modding beyond this snapmap bs then the game is screwed cause it will destroy the replayability and longevity of the game.

I guess I just don't see your logic. Mario Maker is doing fine while under the same restrictions. If Mario had full modding tools you could probably create "Brutal Mario" or something, but you can't, and the game's still just fine despite that. There's literally millions of Mario Maker levels already, and I don't see why the new Doom couldn't achieve similar successes with an easy-to-use map tool and nothing more.

Mario Maker is a platformer and pretty straight forward. In a genre like that you don't need much else aside from a map editor unless you're going for some creepypasta type stuff. I doubt that there will be any mods that give custom power ups or monsters cause the game isn't really designed in a way where mods like that would be needed.

Doom however is a First person shooter where the goal is to kill things on the way to the goal and you aren't on a time limit so unless you are a speedrunner of the game, it's a game you take your time with. So you have mods with interesting abilities, new maps packs, weapons so you can kill enemies in 101 different ways and such.

My point is that having custom tools is more beneficial to a game like Doom then to a game like Super Mario maker. Just look at Left 4 Dead 2, one of the biggest coop shooter games that has ever existed and a good chunk is due to the mods created by players where you have character and weapon skins along with map packs and the like.

Or even Fallout, custom tools to create new weapons, armour and gameplay mechanics, even custom missions. I mean the building mechanic in Fallout 4 was inspired by a building mod created for New Vegas. These companies embrace it cause it keeps players coming back again and again to play the game in new and weird ways.

Doom has the same potential if the devs decide to let people have the full mod set instead of a set amount of tools like snapmap is leading up to be. The game will find a lot more life if people are allowed to tear the game apart to make new things then if they were just given a set amount of tools.

But I don't know, I want to have more experiences like Guncaster and Brutal Doom in this game and if they don't let modders have all the tools then I don't think I will enjoy it as much.

Mmkay. I guess we'll just have to see how it goes. ^_^;

I dunno I'm sad that the do not keep up with there promise. A quick gameplay? Yet the trailer is so slow moving. Why is it so slow moving? Because of console sales. (Consoles have gamepads not mouses, and gamepads dont make quick aiming possible,)

So I guess we maybe never get a true classic doom successor. Bleh

Well I assume also the trailer is slow-moving in order to make it look more cinematic. They want the viewer to take in the sights and the atmosphere, as opposed to just speedrunning past all the visuals they spent so long crafting. The "Welcome to Hell" gameplay video from last year's E3 was already faster and more frantic than the first gameplay trailer.

And of course, raw speed isn't everything. The Serious Sam games managed to be decent Doom wannabes despite the player's plodding movement speed.

Well I cant help myself with E3, Why is the guy mentoned "fast movement" when the trailer of them moves like a grand ma to show off all the visuals? If I where the presentor I kinda had not even mentoned fast movement, and rather sayed something about the beautyful graphics instead.

To me it totally didn't fit together and gave me a so bad taste of what to come, that I havent really followed the following trailers yet. I maybe have to check out one or see a review considering Doom4 is soon there.

Also Serious Sam manages to bee Doom-Familar because it follows the gameplay Formular of the 90ths rather then the Formular of the modern console market predominated area.

May I also say I'm kinda dissapointed on the collector editor. A figure of a reveant? I where more intressted in a Doomguy or if it has to be monster? Why not the most iconic of em all.. The Cyber Demon... Well one thing is clear if I buy the game it wont be that collectors editon.