I will admit, it does have me intrigued with the new stuff you mentioned.

HOWEVER.

The whole "Argent Cell" is a rip-off from Brutal Doom; upgrading health, armor, and ammo from the additional spheres Sgt.Marks originally created. (Red Demon Sphere being more health, red ammo spehere being ammo capacity, and green armor sphere being max armor capacity.)

I know they are trying to still bring back old school doom, and I respect that. But I will never respect them for stealing player created content without consent to the original creators.

Well those are pretty standard upgrades. It's not like Sgt. Mark invented health and ammo boosts. And Brutal Doom doesn't have anything like the performance upgrades and runes the article mentioned.

I really don't see why anyone would get so upset about the new Doom taking inspiration from Brutal Doom. Games take inspiration from other games all the time. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night doesn't say "With special thanks to Metroid" in its ending credits. Resident Evil doesn't say "Inspired by Alone in the Dark" on the box. Dead Space doesn't say "Based upon Resident Evil 4" in its instruction manual. That's just how game design works most of the time.

Yes games do get taken content, but that shouldnt stop companies for recognizing it's original creator.

Common courtesy recognition takes no longer then a few moments of a developer's time to add into the credits. There is no excuse for the laziness.

As far as I know, id did have some talks with Sgt. Mark for making Doom 4.

That's the extent of what I know, so he might or might not be fine with the lack of recognition.

Yet Sgt Mark made a video about how piss poor the shotgun and plasmagun seemed to be, copied over from Doom 3 or such. Also the snapmap thing as well.

As long as they end up opening up to providing all mods tools and not just snapmap then I am sure the game will end up fine or least as much as it can be for versatility.

id Software has released the source codes of all their engines in the past so they'll likely release the id Tech 6 source code eventually, but they need to release id Tech 5's first. People will be able to do just about anything with the game once the source code is out though it will take years.

Id seems more restrictive about that sorta thing since Bethesda bought them out, like how they decided not to license Id Tech 5 out to other companies. And just because the community gets the source code doesn't mean anyone will do anything with it. Doom 3's source has been out for a while now, but as far as I'm aware, nobody's really touched it.

Sorry for the long comment, but I'll summarize the Doomworld thread where they are datamining the betas: https://www.doomworld.com/vb/doom-2.....info-spoilers/

-The project is internally named Zion.
-The engine has a similar architecture to Doom 3's.
-There's a new system named AAS2, which seems to be for collision and area data.
-The CVar and Console Command systems seem to have been merged.
-There is a new weapon named the Mancubus Gland (lol gland getit)
-You can play as a Mancubus in MP (not available at the moment).
-The Mancubus has a heat ventilation system in both SP and MP. It can kill you.
-There are bounce pads.
-There is a new enemy named the Hell Soldier, but is only referenced in two places. Perhaps removed.
-There is a Codex, I assume this is like Doom 3's.
-There are 6 keys. Maybe more.
-The Cyberdemon can be resurrected, dash, strafe, charge attacks, use seeker missiles, evade your fire, use a gigantic scythe, do a ground pound, use missile barrages, and choose between several ammunition types.
-He also has several stages of damage, where his behaviour changes.
-Enemies have pain chances, and multiple states of pain. These are (ordered): twitch, heavy twitch, interrupt, stun, falter, push back, stagger, and knockdown.
-You can modify your BFG. It has: Rapid Fire, Charge Attack, Beam Fire, Spherical Fire, Arc Fire, and Burn Fire. Burn Fire is a flame BFG.
-It also has mods for double damage and increased capacity.
-There is also a new weapon named the Arc Cannon. I do not know anything other than it does splash damage and charges cumulatively.
-Another confirmed weapon is the Lightning Gun, and Damage Shield.
-The Revenant can punch you.
-Still no signs of the Pain Elemental or the Arachnotron.
-Glory Kills can be disabled in PvP.
-The PvP is UAC versus Marines.
-There are unlockable player armor skins in MP, which you can use to customize your player character.
-Player customization consists of helmet, arms (separately), legs, torso, and a base armor.
-SnapMap has a currency named snapCoins. These are not microtransaction bound, and are entirely just to keep you mapping.
-There are a fucktonne of variables you can edit on everything ever in SnapMap.
-There are modding tools named idStudio. These may not be available to the public immediately.
-idStudio is very powerful, with its own scripting, action chaining, map tools, and much more.
-There is a 3-D automap. It is indeed named "automap".
-There are 3 extra difficulties, with Ultra Violence and Nightmare being special modifiers to Hard.
-The game has dynamic difficulty scaling, using some system named "AIC".
It seems similar enough to Resident Evil 4's, so you can just look at that if you want reference.
-Ultra-Violence screws with the dynamic difficulty on Hard, making it really fucking hard.
-Nightmare is ironman mode (from Wolf:TNO) + Ultra-Violence.
-Hell Knights can also wield scythes, like the Cyberdemon.
-These scythes are named Hell Scythes, and are not physical. They have a life span, and when they die they explode into many projectiles.
-They can be thrown, and they can be swung.
-There's a weapon mod named Hell Shrine. Insufficient data to comment further.
-There is a game mode called Hell Gate, where demons open portals to summon more demons and UAC must destroy these gates with bombs. The bombs can be shielded.
-Another game mode is present named Hell Escape, which appears to be something like the game Left 4 Dead, but in more of an arena style.
-There's also a Freeze Tag game mode.
-There are two multiplayer-exclusive (I believe) demons:
The first one is the Harvester, who gains energy by shooting a beam at people and then detonating himself. I am unsure if this is exactly correct.
The second one is the Prowler, who makes creepy ambient sounds, and can perch himself somewhere to gain "Demon Vision" (which internally is referred to as a wallhack, no joke).
Other than that, he basically acts like the Hunter from the game Left 4 Dead.
-Only one thing of note from the game's story:
Phobos is referred to in a single internal string that just contains the name "Phobos" and nothing else. Deimos and Mars are not mentioned internally. There are no xrefs (usages) of this Phobos string, either.
-A summary list of the game's bestiary:
Archvile
Baron
Cyberdemon
Hellified Soldier (ZombieMan?)
Hell Knight
Imp
Mancubus
Pinky Demon
Revenant
Zombie
Laser Soldier
Lost Soul
Cacodemon
Olivia's Guard (?)
Talisman Guard (?)
Cyberdemon (Hell) (?)
Marine
Hellified Shotgunner (ShotgunGuy?)
-Special notes of "Olivia's Guard":
This enemy has an unknown purpose, but has very interesting properties:
It can get into an (amusingly named) "tantrum".
They can select ammunition, so I assume their weapons use some sort of projectile. What kind of projectile they use is not mentioned.
They have a move named "Pool Ball".
In one string, they are referred to as "Olivia's Guards". Note the plural, this could be a recurring enemy and not just a boss.
For those who do not know, Abaddon is the Hebrew name of Apollyon. Apollyon is the Greek name of Abaddon.
This name refers to both a place -- a bottomless pit, a realm of the dead -- and a person -- a fallen angel.
They also have moves called "Recover", "Beam Attack", and "Hammer Enemy".
Abaddon and Apollyon appear to be weapons.
It is possible that Abaddon and Apollyon are actually living weapons, some of these strings refer to them as actual moving entities.
-No useful information on the Talisman Guard (as of yet).

Sheesh, that's almost more info than I can process. XD

What's TNO's Ironman mode? I never played it.

Nor did I, to be honest.

From what I could gather, in Nightmare, if you die that's it. You're back to the beginning of the game, no saves, no checkpoints... I imagine it's the same going by most Ironman modes in modern games.

I still think Doom 3's Nightmare will remain my favorite. It changed up the gameplay enough to make the experience feel fresh and much more difficult without feeling like it was impossible. Classic Doom's Nightmare was way too rough, and this game's Nightmare sounds like it's basically just hard mode with a save restriction on it, which doesn't really offer much of a new experience.

Yeah, Doom 3 had a good balance. I'm still a fan of Doom 1 and 2's Nightmare, though. It's really meant for the guy that wants to make a mental map of the level and speedrun through it a dozen times, each time fixing up a pair of mistakes on his previous plan.

Yeah, it's definitely unfair. Yeah, it's harder than it needs to be. But that's what Nightmare means to me, a place / time you have literally no option but to lose. I mean, there's a reason I always implement a bunch of special tricks on Nightmare for my WADs, even adding a special ending in one of them for Nightmare. I don't care less than a tenth of the Doomers will see it, but the ones that do see it deserve it.

I really wish classic Doom had a difficulty set between Ultra-Violence and Nightmare. UV's too easy for me now, while NM is way too hard. There's no sweet spot. Plus, I kinda hate speedrunning, so NM is especially not for me.

UAC versus Marines? What's that even mean? Do they mean possessed UAC security versus human marines? Because that'd be pretty damn awesome.

In the original Doom, the UAC and the military were separate entities, so it's possible that's the situation here as well. Perhaps the one group has growing concern about the actions of the other and they're finally coming to blows over it.

Eh, I think it'd be better to have possessed soldiers versus human soldiers. Maintains the feeling of hell and evil that Doom is so known for. Suddenly changing it to a corporate war with maybe a demon or two thrown in is a weird (and boring) design choice.

The original Doom multiplayer had human marines killing other human marines. Nothing particularly hellish or evil about that, and it was fine.

I have the game pre-ordered.
I used to have it for my PS4 but now that I have a XBox One I cancelled it on my PS4 and now have it pre-ordered on my XBox One.

No matter what I'll go into the game neutral and might do a Pinballers319 game play if I like it or I might do a I hate the game if I don't like it.
At any rate I'll do some sort of gameplay thing. xD

No matter what I'll go into the game neutral and might do a Pinballers319 game play if I like it or I might do a I hate the game if I don't like it.
I have no idea what any of that means, but hopefully you'll have some fun with the game when you get it. XD

I hope they don't fuck it up.
I won't be purchasing before seeing good amount of reviews and gameplay videos.

Sounds interesting, I hope it'll be available for Linux as well like the previous Dooms are (at least unofficially).

I'm still not convinced that game will be good.
To my opinion, hand to hand execution broke the dynamism of First Person shooters, even when I play Brutal Doom I never use them.
And not enough enemies. In old FPS you had sometimes more than 30 enemies at the same time, now its often 5 at maximum :/

Thanks for the info! Not sure I will be allowed to pass over DooM for too long after launch :v