Dude, you don't even know. I had about a dozen people personally attacking me and anyone else in my journal that were against CP. Like, really?? I had to block all of them not just because of they were pro-CP (not to mention half of them had nude children and borderline CP in their galleries, which I reported), but they just lacked constructive conversation skills altogether. It was nothing but a gigantic puddle of toxic piss. I can only assume you had to deal with the same if you made this journal. Still... Good to see someone else in the world has a level head. -_-

gotta love the child porn apologists

"im not into it, buuuut"

Even if they aren't into it, being indifferent or careless about it makes you just as guilty, to not speak up for those who can't. It's like watching someone in the process of molesting a child, but you do nothing because you're afraid of getting involved, or are just all "what they do is their business".

Funny how someone can kick a dog and go absolutely apeshit over it and yet at the same time they can be indifferent toward or even INTO CP? This world, man.

Yeah I had a guy yesterday who was insistent that no one would ever get in trouble! It's harmless blah blah blah. Same drivel of trying to cherry pick other topics to cover the fact what he looked at and created wasn't illegal somehow. I'm sure if I reported him to the Canadian authorities he'd think differently I'm sure.

People think they can do whatever they want with the anonymity of being behind a computer screen. The only thing is, they aren't as anonymous as they think they are and can be very easily tracked if you just report them to their local authorities. :P They've got too dense of a skull and too sick of a mind to realize their own stupidity.

Pretty much! It shouldn't shock me but sometimes it leaves me flabbergasted at the blatant ignoring of it all together. I just picture a lot of them shoving their fingers in their ears and going, "La la la la I can't hear you!"

I've heard people are complaining about CP no longer being allowed on FN. I'm just sitting here like "....? It's the same as FA. FA doesn't allow it either."

I think the only difference between FA and FN was FA was forced to get rid of it because they wanted money and no one would take their payments with it still being on the site and FN actually chose to get rid of it after their user base complained.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not praising either of the site owners either. But why people get so wound up because their illegal sharing space is shrinking just shocks me.
I think it shocks me more that they try and justify why it's not illegal even though the law clearly states it is and you can and WILL be punished for it.

Technically speaking... Paypal doesn't even take "payments" for adult stuff either. Just plain adult.

Yup that is true. I don't know about many others but I would assume most larger companies would not allow cp as well even if they did take adult oriented sites. Bitcoin (and please please don't quote me on it because I have no clue how conversion with bitcoins work) would seem to be the only way to get funds for sites that featured illegal content? I know bitcoin usage is rampant in the deep web for scams and black market items.

That's part of why F-List is having a hard time getting subscriptions back because of all the extreme kinks on the site, including Ageplay.

Far as FN goes, they made a good business decision. They didn't just cave. They weighed everything. If they wanted to be competitive with FA, they had to consider the CP and such.

-Sigh-
When are we going to move on with our lives already? FN caved to the demands and are no longer allowing Cub porn/Pedophilia, the fight is won, people are pissed, people are happy, can we move foreword and stop feeding the machine and provoking more drama and fighting on this issue?

Its documented that its illegal, nobody needs to sit here and debate or talk about this further honestly. Getting harassed further? Just block them and ignore them.

The point of this journal is for informational use. Nothing more. It's VERY obvious not everyone knows the legality (at least with in the US) on CP. Thus the point of this journal. That's it.
I am happy FN chose to remove the content. This isn't about that. It's for clarification sake and will stay that way.

im so confused right now..

Furrynetwork stopped allowing cub porn/underage children being drawn in sexual acts and the furries are all upset because they're being oppressed when it's illegal to draw majority of "cub porn"/cartoon characters that are children having sex. So the pedophiles are getting upset because people are taking away their art.

that is one really messed up situation. just wow is all i can really say.

I read over some of the arguments about cub porn and censorship over on FN, and while I can understand the points about free speech, even granting that I still don't think FN is acting out of line banning it. They're their own company and they can choose what artwork they will allow to be hosted on their servers. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom to a platform. I said this in a journal from   Yesterday if cub porn is so precious and that much of a deal breaker for certain users, they can always go to Ink Bunny or start their own website. Although if they choose option 2, good luck not getting arrested and put on a sex offender list.

I honestly don't know why FN was even started to be honest, there are more than enough art sites out there that are quite happy to host furry art and one that is just about furry only. As to the CP, inkbunny and sofurry both have tons of it, that may change if people start getting in legal trouble over it but until they decide to remove it it's there, so really FN was never needed for anything. I think it was just created as an attempt to cash in on one of the many leaving FA drama fests that keep happening.

Most of those sites are deadish from what a lot of artists have told me, and never updated, plus SF technically doesn't allow it either (or if they do, they're reworking the site to not allow it. I've heard that going around too.)

FN was likely started cause people are tired of FA's screw ups and outdated security and site in general.

There's always weasyl which pretty much has the same tolerances as FA, as for any removals on inkbunny or sofurry there's new cub uploads everytime I look at their front page, but if it's in progress then maybe, I don't know what's going on in the back ground.

Weasyl is amongst the dead sites from what I was told.

Weasyl is very much alive there's always new stuff showing up on the front page, I don't watch that many artists though due to having to keep up with there and here.

Ah. I'm just going by what I'm told. Some say it's a hassle. Never used it myself so I can't say from my own experiences.

I actually prefer Weasyl's upload process to FA's, it tends to be faster and if you want you can make your own thumbnails from any visual uploads.

Huh. Neat! I might have to check it out. Never hurts to branch out.

Rumor is they were behind the hack. Awfully convenient timing huh? Open up your site, attack the largest competitor.

No, they weren't. They've been around long before this attack. -.-; I've had an account there for awhile.

But they just recently opened up free registration. Not a coincidence.

Registration was always free. I didn't get a special invite. I was just told about it months ago, checked it out, and signed up.

It was definitely not open and required invites.

I'm telling you it didn't as someone that signed up long before the launch. All you had to do was sign up and they sent you a code.

Being around for a while does not make for innocence, just like when people were posting all those leave FA for weasyl journals and suddenly weasyl was DDOS attacked and rumors had it that FA staff may have had some involvement, although funny enough weasyl withstood the attack a lot better than FA did when it had been hit. Were they involved, maybe, any proof, none that has come to light. But nor is there proof they weren't involved.

Guess I can say it's funny that FN's importer suddenly broke when FA put in their 'new login'.

I believe nothin unless there's solid evidence. I just don't like it when people go around saying "so and so did this". Rumors shouldn't be spread unless there's something to support it. A coincidence isn't support.

Maybe so but FN is definitely benefiting from it giving the amount of follow me to FN journals I've been seeing in the past two weeks.

Oh definitely. It's a smart business move on many fronts. People also know those of Dragonfruit Ventures are more competent to run a site than one that's run by/supported by IMVU(which many thought just died off by now).

I have few lines that can be crossed, but underage stuff is one of them.

Might just be me, but those 3 last links don't work.

Let me try short url for ya and see if that works.
US legal: https://goo.gl/9XkUan
List of recent convictions: https://goo.gl/vKaj91
This one links to a recent case file. It's PDF though so it may not work
https://goo.gl/RyKlpp
I believe it was the second link on the list of convictions though

yeah the 2 last links really don't show up. I wonder if It's because I'm not in the US. Weird.

ooo that may be it! It's a .gov site so that actually could very well be it. huh.. I'm not sure how to get around that to be honest.

Heh. I figure I'll get other opportunities to see them if they arise.

I am a mother of two children so my views on this, and even BEFORE I had kids has always been very anti kiddie art/rp of any deviant nature. I am truly glad to see someone post a journal ABOUT THIS!!!!! I am glad to see someone sticking up for what they believe in, and I know you probably did get a lot of those 'haters' trying to justify why it's right. Those people that want to justify it, are the one's that probably enjoy it the most!

I'm truly glad FA cracks down on that, and doesn't let people post that sort of yuck. I wish other sites would get enough back bone and do/ban remove the same!

So from a mother of two kids, thank you for voicing this!

The only reason FA cracked down on it was because they were forced to. FN actually chose not to allow it after weighing out everything.

I'm not going to really argue for either side on this. That being said there is a difference between reality and fantasy. Some of the things that can be played out in fantasy are illegal, impractical or even impossible to bring into reality for various reasons. Personally I don't believe in victim-less crime. A fantasy depiction of most anything is not the same as a photograph or live recording, In fantasy depictions there are no real individuals involved and therefore no real individual to be the victim. I also believe you can not be your own victim, hence why I am not against things such as suicide or illicit substance use. So long as you don't cause harm to someone else in the process, my personal view is no actual crime occurred. My view is that over-all the so-called criminal justice system in the US has gotten out of control, pursuing an ever-broadening list of "Criminal infractions". But then what would I know, I've only been working in this system for over a decade now.