Is this guy stupid? I cannot believe what he's coming out with here. It's like he doesn't even understand what he's doing!

LOL, I ask a wal-mart employee if I can take something, they don't respond, I take it, I'm in jail for theft. Dumbass

0-0 ...I gotta go before I get myself caught in...this dilemma... >~>;

Geez...can't he just...he's desperate for attention i guess.

Wtf! This Guy is a Idiot!

Based on his behavior, I'm going to estimate his age as somewhere around 9.

I like how they point out in the video that they dont 'infringe copyright' when right below the download button you can clearly see the © of the artist.

Oh my, he's really being a dick. I sorta expected him to just disappear or something but he's actually being asinine about it, expecting you to apologize just because you don't like your art to be on youtube... All he had to do was apologize and take it down.

I reported all 8 videos with my artwork using the youtube report tool.
I also explained what he is doing. that he is posting reaction videos to those asking to get their art taken down and therfore I go this way without even contacting this person upfront.
I usually don't mind, but this person went to far now.
if youtube is doing their job we will see results soon.

YouTube does their job?

I said if

Last I heard, YouTube opened up a whole program for people to do the job for them. What was it? 'YouTube Heroes'??? (Or something.)

As much as I don't buy into the whole art theft drama in general, yeah... he might have gone too far with some things. And no... Youtube is never doing its job, unless its job is poorly designing a site that literally feels like it's conceived to troll its own users,

The guys stolen art from loads of artists..some of them have my characters in it and it makes me uncomfortable having them on youtube as well ;w;

report it. the more reports the earlier youtube finally gives up ignoring.

What should I Report it under? because everything I Tried reporting it under that I Think would count for it, it comes back and says that I'm unable to report them because the art isn't mine

that goes to show you that Youtube doesn't give a rat's ass about us.

Aye.. it used to be pretty decent, but then Google came along and bought it up...been going downhill ever since -w-

I admit after researching for a bit... youtube is not rlly fursona and furry friendly for such things. since they will never understand that a fursona is the same like personal refering to you.
I think if you did not draw the artwork for yourself you maybe got no chance at all even if it is your character. and even if you paid for it...
sorry. you could only ask the creator of the artwork to report it for you I guess... eh... complicated.

yeah...Youtube used to be decent, before Google took it over -w- Now it's just an awful place to be really..

don't blame youtube or google for that. they try their best and furries are complicated and something normal people might not understand. we are also a minor problem compared to other issues on youtube and real copyright infringement they can get sued for for millions of cash. so all we can do is talk to them and let them know we want to have the right to confirm that that is our artwork or artwork we own. best you can do is writing youtube an e-mail about it. if nobody does it they will never notices. you might say they will never read or ignore that too... true but still.. if nobody does it will never be noticed. maybe one day the right person will see an email and understands what is going on.

Yeah, true, though there are other issues, other than this, that has been popping up while Google has owned the site, though I Guess I Can be a bit harsh on them ^-^;

I Guess all we can do is hope someone will see an email and get it sorted out :3

well youtube went big. very big. and problems appear if a site gets big like that.

yeah...

I'm gonna put this here, I E-mailed the guy, waiting on a possible response now

I'm not a lawyer, but typically they want to hear from the individual whose copyright is being infringed upon. Pretty sure you can't make a DMCA takedown claim if you aren't the owner of the stolen material, for example.

Yeah, that's true..
(My aunt works in law, and she says that that's pretty much how it is >-> )

I think we should call the CIA and maybe send the US army after them... also we should hire a secret agent and send him in the field! Seriously folks: I don't agree with some of the things he did, but talking about diplomatic immunity and calling the interpol over someone posting vore art on Youtube... what the actual fuck is wrong with this god forsaken world? Posts like this make me question the sanity of some people, and are a perfect example of copyright cultism gone wild (yes I'm using that word responsibly). I honestly mean no offense to you by this, but just please take a step back and look at how far your mind has wondered off right there.

US Laws don't affect them, but the Terms and Services of Youtube (Which they agreed to when they made their account) say they aren't allowed to post other people's content.
It doesn't matter what country he is in, the terms of service of youtube doesn't change depending on which country you're in.

It's not a Law thing, it's a rule on youtube.

Yes, I am a content creator. I should however point out that in this aspect, I am an exception to most artists: I explicitly release all of my works under a Creative Commons license, precisely because I want my stuff to be shared and used in other projects! While I understand why others take issue with people copying their stuff, I can't apply that to myself.

In this case I agree the person did wrong: It's the artist's work, so if they ask you to not post it you should comply. Both because it's the right thing to do, and respecting the wishes of an artist regarding their work is the least you can do in return for them creating and sharing something you're still allowed to view and enjoy.

That is however as far as it goes with me: Once we start talking about calling the police, sending SWAT teams after people, hiring the interpol, that sort of thing... it's a thing gone too far. Saying we should legally pursue someone across the world for copying art on the internet is a bit like saying we should behead someone for saying a swear word in public: It's not a nice thing to do, but it's not something you turn the world upside down over.

Haven't looked. But...YouTube videos can be monitized and this video might be making this person money for views.

I honestly can't .... just understand how anyone thinks that is perfectly fine ....

This guys clearing thinks its his right post stuff. He doesn't give a shit at all.

odd? supported by people who are unable to figure out how to look for vore artwork themselfs and do it on youtube instead. no wonder.

I watch and like his and similar channels (please don't hate me) because I enjoy taking a 5 minute break every day to relax to these slideshows. Obviously I could automate some program to do this locally, but I guess I've taken a liking to watching these videos. This is not to say he hasn't responded poorly to the situation which he did, just explaining why some of us enjoy such videos.

This is very correct and I agree.

well than you are inbetween a low percentage of people who seriously need such videos, but the majour part of people watching those videos are little kiddies not knowing better. and people who actually want to cringe. or and thats the worst case friends of you in RL who just know your furry name and are no furs themself and find this videos randomly looking for your name on youtube for fun. FA got a feature to block showing content to not registered users for a reason - plus the adult ratings.

also every picture gallery app has a slideshow feature. and listening to music the same time is easy.

Yes... the whole cringe thing is a disease on Youtube. Not that I mind compilations intended for people to cringe at something they don't like, but apparently "cringe compilation" is also an excuse to insult others for creating stuff you chose to watch and cringe at. I've had this problem myself, which is the only reason I've wanted to take down copies of my stuff from other peoples channels.

I don't think people who watch vore slideshow videos do so because they don't know any better... except for those who get them recommended by YT's broken algorithms, and click out of curiosity unaware of what they'll find. As for kids watching it, I despise forceful age censorship in general (yes even if it's porn) so that's not something I care much about. The ability to prevent friends and family from finding out what you draw is however an important matter... it definitely justifies some artists fear of their stuff being showcased on Youtube, even if that doesn't necessarily trace them to their real life identity.

"I don't feel it's appropriate to post on a website where kids can accidentally find it."
That's a very shitty reason tbh. If that is your REAL reason.

Regardless, if the artist doesn't want someone else posting their work, then you should respect their wishes. I honestly don't know how some people can't see anything wrong with doing this.

I just said it's a crappy reason, nothing else. The guy is still an idiot. =w= dont be so defensive little boi
If he wants to bash on this guy because he didn't get permission then do that, don't sugarcoat it

100% agreed here! Generalized age censorship on the internet is the biggest fucking joke, I legitimately facepalm at the idea that it's still being practiced to this day by many websites. I don't think it's his real reason though, from what I understand at least: He just doesn't want his art on Youtube and out in open places generally... likely also so real life acquaintances don't see what he draws and identify him, which is a legitimate worry many artists have.

Even if you didn't call him a thief, he's still a thief in a manner. He posted artwork to another site without the permission of the original artist, nor does he own said artwork (via commission or such). He may not have claimed the artwork, but he did not get permission to distribute it either. This is another form of stealing, but less of a conventional one. Plus, he clearly doesn't speak English as his first language, so I believe there may be a slight communication error on his end.

I feel like I lost brain cells watching that video and reading the comments. Sadly it looks like the only way to fix this is to get youtube to get off their asses. He's not gonna take them down otherwise since he seems to think having a saved copy of a picture makes him the copyright owner *facepalm*

Oh hey. He ripped off some of my stuff too. I feel special.

Didn't even get the luxury of him linking my page either, and he got my name wrong on two of them, calling me "Lily" or something.

But yeah. I don't understand what's so hard about "I don't want my art posted here, and I never gave you permission. Please don't upload my stuff." Like, even if it weren't illegal, it's still a douchey thing to do, and picking a fight over it is even douchier.

That's the general rule I go by too: Always ask for permission if you want to use someone's works, since even if they might approve of it chances are they won't and you're going to upset the artist. I don't consider that anyone who uses art without asking is a wrongdoer, especially as long as they link back and credit the authors. When explicitly asked to take it down however... yeah, they pretty much should do so.

I'm of the opinion that the law shouldn't be involved in stuff like this, but there should be social censure for it. You can legally be an asshole, but that doesn't, and shouldn't, mean people aren't going to call you out on it.
And I do consider taking someone's art without their permission and posting it, especially without crediting or even claiming ownership over it, and ESPECIALLY on something as huge and publicly accessible as YouTube, a dickish thing to do. This motherfucker deserves all the shit he gets from the general populace, particularly because he doubled down on his poor behavior.

And personally? I don't mind people reposting my art. I don't really understand it on a personal level (Just an intellectual one), but I am also aware that other artists have reasons to not want it to happen, so you're playing Russian Roulette if you steal art and post it without permission, even if you credit the artist. Sometimes BECAUSE you credit the artist, as in Ivan's case. He said he doesn't want the YouTube crowd coming to his page, and from what I've seen about how people act on YouTube, I don't blame him.

Very well said. Though I still don't like the hate he is getting right now, even if I can see why he's getting it: I think to some extent he might have not understood what's going on and was taken by surprise, judging by his reaction in a few of the comments... he seems to barely understand english too and I also get the impression he might be a kid. Then again, some say he faked some of the screenshots to make it look like Eye gave permission... I haven't checked so this might be incorrect, but things might be different if that turns out to be true.

I think I lost some brain cells. I demand that you give them back to me!

He should steal some more of the english language instead

Not only is he a thief, but he is a big fat liar! He claims that he did asked for permission to post Ivan's art on Youtube. The "proof" he showed at the 0:20 mark is FAKE! The journal in the picture is this: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/7923784/ if your scroll down the comments section and compare it to pic in the video, you'll find that the comment he circled is not the same one posted in the journal. Not only that, his FA account didn't existed until earlier this month.

Okay... if he really did that and is making up fake evidence or something, that's deliberately being a dick to people. I'd have to look for myself to be sure this is unarguably a true thing, but I'm just saying that if it is that's definitely crossing the line as much as I want to defend his point too.

Uh... why do I keep finding myself drawn back to this discussion? Okay: The truth is, I want to sympathize with Furry Vore because I love his kind of videos, and in some form see them as a form of support to the furry / vore fandom... while frankly I hate copyright in general. On the other side, I have to admit to myself that he's being unfair now, and honestly I hate it that Eye and other artists need to go through this distress also. Curses... why can't everyone be happy and why must I pick sides when I don't want to

At this point, I agree he should have taken the video down after Eye messaged him about it... that much is common sense. Just as much, I believe everyone else should stop hating on this person by now: Despite some people stubbornly insisting on treating copyright on par with such, he hasn't actually killed or assaulted or raped anyone nor did he rob an actual store and cause real prejudice that ruined a life. People make these videos in their free time for the enjoyment of others... it's so other furries can take a break and spend 3 minutes of their life relaxing to some music and recapping through art they like. Sure, he definitely did a few things wrong, and was told about it by many users so far... don't treat him as some wrongdoer who's just trying to annoy artists for no reason by doing (let us abuse this word for the millionth time) art theft.

just because you enjoy such videos does not make a valid reason to let him be and continue his quest to just upload what ever he can find.
he has to learn that he has to ask and therefor a lot people must react befor a stubborn realizes it is not just one person complaining.
because people like that mostly underage threat you like that one person who should just fuck off. its good for them to learn. sorry to say.

and I don't want to attack you with that but I cringe when I see such videos. I don't think they do any good to the community. They even teach other people that it is cool to do such a thing. also if you search for vore on youtube, it is filled with slideshows of random pics. thats cancer in my eyes I can't even find real videos anymore because of this. they multiply so fast because they are so easy done and spammed. <.<;

also the term "art theft" can be used if people upload your artwork at their own accounts. especially on youtube since youtube pays you money per view.
people might claim they don't gain profit but you can't prove it if they activated the program for it or not. you simply can't. and therfor theft is a valid therm to use.

Don't worry, I agree there: The only thing I'm saying is that if Eye wanted, he could be among the artists who let this sort of thing slip and say "let them make these slideshows as it harms no one". If he has however decided he doesn't want his stuff on Youtube, and explicitly asked that channel to remove them... yes, I agree the only right thing to do is removing the videos, and the channel did wrong not to and even expect an apology from Eye now.

When scenarios like this aren't the case though, and artists either give permission or aren't upset about being showcased, I still support those videos in general. I mean they aren't anything special... I just find them pleasant and fun to relax to, as they sometimes help me take a break and get my mind off stupid and unpleasant things. I don't think such videos cover more interesting entries in the search results generally... the only exceptions are a few good animations.

And yes, monetizing such videos is a really mean thing to do, kinda the second worst after not crediting though much worse. And it is possible to tell: If a video does have ad revenue enabled, you see an ad banner to the right of the page as well as one overlayed at the bottom of the video... at least that's the layout I remember, I've had AdBlock Plus installed for years now.

Yes, Ivan has explicitly said he dislikes that.

He is definitely a thief though.

Nothing on the web is secure or age restricted. If you post something anywhere publicly (including adult sites), be ready to have it seen by anyone at anytime. That is modern day society for ya, tragic as it is.
With that being said, FA and other sites are great for "alter-egos" that cannot be connected to you in real life so no one will be able to find or connect you with that content - at least not without IP tracking and serious digging.

I feel for you in that you don't want your characters or "you" (as your alter-ego) and artwork of yours reposted without your permission. In aerospace engineering, we often seek contracts with the government so that designs remain within our country and allies only - for the soul purpose that it isn't copied or stolen and manufactured for cheaper in a foreign country. Usually designs aren't even related to national defense, but without secrecy, another country can simply take the idea and ruin it by creating it cheaper themselves with no legal infringements. Sure, it would be illegal for some company or someone in the United States to take the idea, but some guy on the other side of the world can do whatever the hell they want with your work, and is often encouraged by their governments.

The only way, and I mean only way, to avoid just anybody from seeing your work is to share it privately, which really isn't an option in your case. Suck it in, learn to ignore it, and realize that in the end, it is them who must pay the price for being so rude and disrespecting your wishes as the creator. Karma has a way at getting with people.

As far as age restriction goes, good: It's 2017 and we still set age limits for looking at drawings, which we force people to obey thinking they'll be scarred through a computer screen? Can't wait for the day when all sites ditch this primitive crap, and start treating all users equally without delusions and discrimination based on RL identity.

And thank you for sharing that info, I actually didn't know about this though it makes sense now that you mention it. But yeah: When something is shared publicly, it's hard to expect that it stays in one place and is distributed under perfect control... something the illusion of pure copyright likes to ignore and do the impossible over.

So pretty much ignore laws and let them do it?
And sadly Karma is not a great judge.

We can report them, we can shame them, but in the end, we can do nothing to force them to take down their content. Well, unless you wanna find where they live and teach them a lesson ^^
Youtube is spammed full of reports. Take a music video with lyrics - the artist did not give that person permission to upload their work, yet they do anyway. Something as "small" as this will likely never be seen by the eyes of youtube. As for law, it is out of our hands - as disgusting as it is, it is better to accept they are scum and not spend anymore time on it. Life is short, don't waste your time with fools like this.

Well that is not true though ^^
Reporting them for copyright infringement usually means that the videos will be taken down.
Done it myself already sucessfully.

As I said, nothing you can do other than report them. Out of your hands, it's up to youtube whether they will listen or not.

My goodness sakes...that guy is dense. In the video it shows him asking for permission and someone showed the link to where that comment was and it shows that it was a photoshop. He then goes on to say that you manipulated comments. I don't think he understands how FA works, you cannot manipulate other people's comments, especially to that extent. If he claimed you deleted his comment, it would still be a lie, as I could clearly see that there was no "comment hidden by page owner" in the spot that the comment was supposedly posted.

That was me that provided the link. Videogameboy1989 is my Youtube name. I was the one who discovered the pic being fake.

Yeah, XD I know it was you. I read the entire comment thread. Thank you for pointing it out.

>Also I never directly called him a thief, I just said he was uploading my stuff without permission.
>Title of the journal was 'Youtube and Art Theives'
>"Two times I have reported this video for stealing my art:..."
>'Also I never directly called him a thief,'
>"Stealing my art"
>"...never directly called him a thief"

Okay... What did you call him?

Looks like you just confirmed that I didn't call him a thief, since you didn't quote a time when I called him a thief.

"I didn't call him a thief. I just said he steals things."

What do you call a person who steals things?

You called him a thief. We aren't stupid.

McGee's right Ivan. And if he were a mouse, his leona gals would eat him for sure. Stealing is against the rules.

I don't know why I bothered commenting on the video considering that he doesn't seem to have enough of a grasp on the English language to understand it, but I did. The absolute idiocy of some people simply astounds me. Faking proof that he asked for permission and then demanding that you apologize? I can't even comprehend what's going through this guy's head

As a side note, while YouTube might not do anything about him using your artwork, I'd say you would have a viable case against him if you would report for bullying or harassment. Fabricating evidence to make you look bad is defamation.

In practice, Youtube would likely never bother playing detective in this story. Just imagine a busy Google employee watching the whole video attentively, finding the link in the description, and actually going to furaffinity.net to read this here journal throughout all the furry drama! Not that it would be a bad thing technically, but I'd actually be crept out if that happened, just because of how impossible it would be. I think reporting for copyright is the best way to go, even if in this case they ignored it.

This guy seriously thinks its okay to use art without permission after using a photoshoped comment as "proof" and showing the part of the page that shows the copyright.

[Drama Intensifies]

At least he mentioned you're the artist, but that doesn't excuse the fact that A) It's your art, and he didn't ask your permission to post it up, and B) not all of it is age appropriate as you said! Not to mentioned that you didn't call ANY particular person an art thief, yet he puts you in the spot light and lied about asking you permission! If he wants to show off other artists' work, he needs to do it right!

WOW i'm pissed at that guy. why don't people follow the simple rule of. 'If you ain't got permission don't upload'? it's like a simple rule and ain't the hardest rule to learn heck 'don't punch people in the face' is a harder rule not to break

*Giggles*
Ah, that video was entertaining, the part where his evidence for not being in the wrong was the download option on the art page.

And then demanding an apology because of it.

I love stupid.

Mr. Eye of calamity, you better apologize. Mr eye of calamity!

*facepaw* I have no words

not sure if old news, but it seems the slideshows have vanished.

http://journals.plos.org/ploscompbi.....l.pcbi.1002766

Don't know if this will help, but I went looking for it for you,

I just clicked on the link, and it said there's 160 comments, but only 24 will show for me. Is anyone else experiencing this? I could have sworn there were more comments berating this guy, they seemed to have gone missing...

He erased all the comments that proved him wrong.

In the words of an internet meme: "Wow, fuck that guy."

Don't you just love his PERFECT logic of "There's a download link, so it allows him to use your art"? -.-

I analysed the dumbasses video and found there are mistakes in the video itself. 1. it was clear to see the webpage so you can see if the comment is real which it ain't poor  Thecosmicwolf33 2. there's the copyright protection warning under the download

"The YouTube account associated with this video has been terminated due to multiple third-party notifications of copyright infringement."
Looks like YouTube actually listened to those reports for once.

His entire account is gone now. I was curious after some silence and I can't seem to find him. I kind of feel sorry for him; he made a mistake or two, I hope we didn't bully him off the internet. We just wanted one video to be taken down, or at LEAST age gated.

I was subbed to him for quite some time, at first thinking it was all legal and such but it wasn't! God I should have never listened to him. I became part of FA few months before he put up I'm not a their or so..idk its been a while. But I supported him for some time, enjoying the no copyright music but I never knew he would lie. One day couldn't find his channel. A week later I get a message in my FA Notes from S2-Freak, who wanted to inform me that his YT was finally terminated after I joined FA and told S2 how I four d him, which was from YouTube. If only we could stop theives everywhere...