:-/ offers hug

That is so awful. You're such an amazing artist.

You should just block and blacklist people who can't follow your rules. You're not obligated to put up with people insulting you or how you work.

Happens to a lot of artists. Mostly people somehow expect you to move the moon for the commission price.

Looking forward to the YCH's tho! Been tempted in the past by 'em

Happened to me as well. It's usually those who pay only for sketches and flat-colored images

I don't even blame you for feeling this way. I hope the YCHs work out for your business.

I definitely recommend YCHs because I feel you on this. Im doing the same tbh

Seconded.

A lot of good artists are going away from commissioning to not have to deal with the hassle of getting their creative talents shrugged off.

I hope you do better dear, hope it gets better. You deserve a lot better things then what you're having to deal with.

Yikes! Im sorry you have to deal with such shitty attitudes! Do what works best for you and what makes it still enjoyable for you.
Look forward to seeing these ychs however, im always a huge fan of giving artistic freedom myself though.

Hopefully some time away from commissions will do you a world of good! It definitely sounds like you need a break.

Yeah, I noticed when it comes to NSFW stuff people suddenly go animals without manners.
Last time I tried to make one NSFW piece somebody came to me 'in order to get my money you will need to make another NSFW piece hmph' and when I refused I was called names. When blocked it didn't really stop. Sigh.

Sorry you have to go through this as well. T_T Big shame. I was hoping your list would clear, was looking for a slot myself but more than anything I want other artists to live peacefully.
Good thing you canceled the list and shared your feelings with us. I def appreciate it. I wish you the best! Get some rest! You deserve it.

Really? Yeesh, I read this and what sky talked about and all I can do is shale my head, I mean, do people not realize that buying art in this manner is a business transaction, and by that, it means treating each other in a professional manner, in other words, it's not all on the artists to act professionally, but, I guess I just have a different mentality to those your are talking about, the perks of almost being 40, and I'm saying that in the manner that I have had a lot of time to experience these types of things face to face, so I always try to handle myself professionally even if the artist I am dealing with is not

Welcome to "the arts" and laypeople's expectations of artists' lives.
They'll ask, "Art sounds fun!" And, you know, it is, in a way. But it's also incredibly hard work. We each have our own workflow developed over years and decades of trial, error, research, networking, etc. This is well worth your price.
You only have each minute once in your life - you are allowed to make space for your existence, your privacy, your business, and your person. You are allowed to disallow anyone entrance to any part of you. And, honestly, you must disallow people from parts of your life.
This step you've taken, disabling the business idea of a "waiting list", is necessary - and it's common in business. Small business owners (I am one, I should mention) must protect themselves. By placing boundaries and raising expectations, we raise our value and we eliminate more bargain hunters.

Keep up the good work. Try, fail, and make choices.

Sorry to hear, mang.
I'll keep an eye out on any YCH auctions you'll be doing in the future

I understand skygracer. I like you being free with your drawing choices and enjoy drawing. You were kind enough to draw some gifts for me already. >w<

I just want you happy and stress free! I love you skygracer

damnit..... I was so looking forward to my turn, guess thats out the window now because some fucks arnt patient and are just general assholes

Aw man... I was looking forward to another commission from you. I think I was on the list.

Leave it to some one acting like a jerk to ruin it for the rest of us ;.;

I can't tell ya how much this happens to me, I'll open and just run out of steam for art in general because to me it's a hobby and not a job so if I'm not enjoying what I'm creating I'm having a miserable time.

This is another reason why I personally don't look forward to initiating contact with an artist that I've commissioned. And even when I do, I word it as FRIENDLY and PROFESSIONALLY as I can, which is usually a simple, "Hey, just touching base with you to see how things are going. No rush."

Sometimes I'll get a response a few days or a week later, but I'm honestly a really patient person. I tend to wait for the artist to make first contact on the status, even if it's a simple things saying they're really busy or sommet. (The longest wait time I've ever has was about 8 months, but there was almost constant communication, so it was okay, and the artist made the effort to contact me first.)

Like Deirdre said, and the old saying goes, "Leave it to the FEW to ruin it for the MANY."

It's unsettling to hear about this, Skygrace, as you are a GREAT artist, and perhaps you may change your mind in the future, but I can also understand your decision. There's a lot of mental stress associated with working with people, especially the less savory ones.

I hope you can pull through and get your drive back, even if it is only YCH pieces. Take whatever time you need in order relax, and we'll still be here to cheer you on and appreciate your hard work!

And this is why we can't have nice things.

Not directing any negativity towards you Sky, just... I seriously hate it when a few peoples' dickish behavior ruins things for everyone who actually was following the rules and being respectful. It sucked in grade school and it still makes no sense today. That being said I don't blame you for needing to take a step back away from all this bad vibe and rudeness. I hope things get better and you're able to tone all these others out!

Man, i have the same issue. A lot of people asking me when i'll be open for commissions, and i sttill dunno yet. =/


I'm trying to do a few commissions a month for patrons only, but there are sooo many non-patron people wanting a commission...and i have many personal works that i want to get done >.< plus, i don't even have that 'terms and services' thing for commissions



I hope you'll be ok tho

Well Damn, Sorry to heard that. (Sorry Am a bit of a terse talker) But Yeah Leave it to a couple of assholes to ruin it to the rest of us. I hope that this would not be the end of you and your content since you are Really good at drawing And I've started to recently appreciate your art. (Normally I give your art pieces just glances, but now it grew on me.)

It's understandable that you'd shutdown commissions for now if you're catching so much shit from people about them; I hate that online artists have to deal with rude people so often. So many people think that because they're paying an artist to draw something for them that the artist is their slave and they can just treat them like shit. Artists don't have to make art for anyone anyone and I don't think a lot of people realize that if they don't like the way you work your commissions then they shouldn't commission you. You have rules clearly laid out so if they're not okay with them then they should just cancel their commission and find somebody else!

I seriously don't understand why people act like that. I've always seen it as if you want to commission an artist then you should be as respectful as you can and not complain to them. I'm the type of person to get curious when a commission is taking a while, but when that happens I just ask if there's any update not question why I haven't received one; and if there's a rule I'm not sure about I ask about it instead of calling it stupid and complaining.

You shouldn't have to deal with people being so disrespectful to you, you're a great artist and you were very reasonable with your commission rules. Hopefully if you do reopen commission you won't have to deal with that shit again and if anybody tries to start that again I recommend just canceling their commission because it's not worth it to try to negotiate with those kinds of people, I'm sure there'll be plenty more people who would love to get art from you that would actually be respectful.

Best of luck with the YCHs, I'm definitely going to try to snag one when I can! Hopefully you won't have to deal with those people anymore.

I feel like this could have been stated in a much more professional matter. I understand why you'd shut things down.

Oh, I'm sorry my "I'm fucking done with this shit" post didn't live up to your professional standarts

Fair enough.

Imma have to agree with grace, jack. thats was kinda insensative

It's a pretty great fucking example of how artists get treated, though.

People are ultimately selfish in a lot of ways. I'm sorry you had to experience this.

I'm sorry things turned to poop for ya. Hope it gives you some time to make pieces you're more inspired to do!

It was a pleasure being able to commission you, sorry to hear you have to deal with all this shit man. Take care with your artistic endeavors / patreon.

Aw, that is a shame, would've loved to see what you had in mind for my chars, though perhaps should do a smaller waiting list so you don't burn yourself, hope you get better

What a shame! I was really hoping to get my shark girls drawn by you ; u; hopefully, I can get art for you someday.
It sucks that assholes ruin nice things for the people, like me, who are actually willing to wait and understand that you were trying to make your way down the list.

https://68.media.tumblr.com/18e1fdc.....k6edo1_500.gif

The pressure of being an amazing artist.

Pity, but you do what you gotta do

I don't normally do ych so I'm kinda bummed, but such is the nature of things :p

Мудрое решение! Я тоже должна решиться на этот шаг.

Haha, good luck :P

The dilemma is that more often than not YCH's go for a big price compared to an artists regular commissions price.

With a commission you have full control of what is being drawn etc. YCH would be better with the occassional AB piece to help people over bidding-wars or insane ammounts of cash xD

Yeah, some assholes have ruined it for the rest, and it's a shame you had to deal with such idiots, I don't see why there should be any problem in a commission, but maybe those should be named and shamed so it stops this problem for another artist and the community in general!

ehhh, while the hate is a little over the top they did just reveal that they'd be adding extra stuff to your piece that you couldnt share unless you paid extra whether you wanted to or not. That big of a change is something people who had been waiting have a right to be grumpy about imo. And before the "you should be happy you get extra stuff without having to pay for it" starts there are other factors. One of my characters doesnt wear clothing at all for personal reasons, so i'd just be fucked because of the mandatory clothed version. The backlash does seem to have spiraled out of control but its initial cause is far from unwarranted.

Pretty sure that post said something along the lines of it being for an initial period of 4 weeks or so until all the extra versions were rolled out on patreon first.

If it did it was edited. at the start they couldn't share them ever. 2 weeks till you could share the NSFW version, but not the variations

EDIT: yeah theres no pretty sure about it. The post still exists and you can go back and read it. It says you cant post the variations.

Read the fucking comment section

So you were only charging around $100 for a commision? That the most astounding part of this journal

YCHs always cost more than the typical work of the artist, which makes me sad. I'm quite happy for the piece I got from you.

Terribly sorry to hear you gone through this, sadly there will always be clients/people who do not have any patience at all. Seeing your art it can really tell and show you put such huge amount of time into each picture you draw, which makes me confused how people may not understand that it takes lots of time to complete a single picture.
You have a great and unique way with style and technique, so I hope that you still will post some personal artwork or other projects you have in mind in the future.

I hope things may calm down for you soon, you deserve to feel good just like any other person, you are human and not a machine

This is one of the things i see come with the territory, the trouble is, a lot of people want the exact image they have in their mind, and with a waitlist like yours (and art like yours) it's understandable that people want perfection and speed, but its often not relayed in the best manner.

Do a few YCHs, get them mad AB monies, then maybe come back to small prompt (one line) artistic freedom comissions? so the commer gives a tiny idea and you get to go wild with that. i'm all for artistic freedom, i love seeing what people come up with. but others aren't like it, i know.

do not be afraid to say no to someone, there's always another commissioner lined up for you.

I have seen a few people question the alts and so on part of your terms, i've not read into it much, but this is one of the things with patreon, i don't touch that so wont comment.

I'll keep an eye out for what you post up, in te hopes i can get something and you allow for herms :)

Mostly, what i'm getting at, is dont ruin something for the actions of the few, and dont let the wants of the many dictate how you do things.

People are horrible.

Public relations is definitely one of the nastiest jobs. There's always the bad apples out there that cause massive headaches. Its an art in it self dealing with people and something you have to learn to deal with. I thought the new rules were fair enough, patreon is becoming a standard for artists at this point anyways and your style of only pay walling the extra versions was a perfect comprimise.

I would have loved a commission from you with artistic freedom. Its awesome to see the version an artist would come up with and the variance in styles. It'd be a shame to see your amazing work end. Either way good luck with your future endeavors!

Fuck the haters. Do your thing! If ya close shop for a bit, more power to ya. But don't let it get to ya! Don't let it ruin what you got goin'!~

Peace!~

That's really sad to hear, unfortunate for you oh a large emotional scale. Hopefully you change your mind I really want to comm you one day cuz your art is amazing, do what your need to tho that's more important than any art I could ask of you

I could rant about this subject for days, from economic, marketing, and financial side (university worth it). But I cut it short: Youre right, and I totaly understand why you do this. ( I dose the same).

Darn.. Being a artist is hard work..

I know what that is like, I'm with you there!
No idea why that is, but I experienced that the more people pay, like full paintings and more characters, the easier they become to negotiate with...

I had it several times that those who pay in the range of 20 to 50 dollars wanted the most changes and wrote the longest texts which sucks ass if you want to maintain a certain workflow

I'm really sorry to hear about that news, Skygrace. It's alright to just take things slower and a break from the crude aspect of commissioning. While I don't know you very much, I can say that your loyal fans will understand and are always willing to wait for you. Good luck getting back into the swing of things!

Such a great shame, would have let you draw my characters as females and not herms just because you fucking rock, but I so DAMN understand you, oh so so well even if I'm not a artist. People are just, brain dead at times and I can only feel you. So, I just have to say:
Do what do you feel it's best!

I'm sorry other people ruined you for commissions for now, and I know people can be picky. I wish you yourself had better experiences. I was actually hoping myself to commission you with a single chare artistic freedom considering that let's me know how an artist will treat another person's character.


I hope you reopen in the future with a better experience, and if you do I would be happy to let you have fun with my characters lol.

Aw man.
I'm so sorry to hear that.

Artistic Freedom is what I survive on, nothings better than just letting the artist have fun with the piece.

So few seem to agree with me.

You could do like some other popular artists and use google forum submissions and only take the commissions you actually want to do!

I've seen that work out really well for others.

Всякое случается. Ты отлично рисуешь, делай это в своё удовольствие. Добра тебе.

It's a shame people can be such jerks. In the end it's whatever is best for you and people can, excuse my language, go and fuck right off. You shouldn't be made to feel this stifled, stressed, pressured by all of that just to draw. You should be able to enjoy it or what is the point. While I am sad I may not be able to commission you at some point I am super happy to support you being able to enjoy what you do. 😁😁😁😁

I... would like to be added to the waiting list.




please dont hit me

I feel like this is becoming more and more common, am I correct? It's fucking disgusting that people behave like this. Whether it's because they feel self-entitled since they're paying someone to do something and feel like they own them, or they just feel as if their anonymity gives them the right to be an asshole. It's just inexcusable and tiring. Grow the fuck up, get some manners, and behave. I know that it might seem hypocritical to say "get some manners," considering the way I worded things in this post, but I have the right to express my thoughts this way thanks to whoever fucked up everyone else's chances. Forgive and forget, I guess.

Keep up the amazing work!

I keep seeing journals like this and it truly worries me so many artists get shit on for bullshit reasons.

Really feel like there should be a system in place of trusted and distrusted commissioners so artists know what to expect

I'm not one of your watchers but it breaks my heart to read something like this from you. Your art is amazing, your own style. I really hope it becomes better sometimes, again, you try commissions, again. But it while take a while until people change. Have a good 2019! And this is a hard but a good step t show your opinion in my eyes.

At this point, i'm still glad i'm one of those few people who got a piece from you :p

Incredibly late to the party, doesnt help Ive been a watcher for a while. I certainly hope things are getting better on your end, it's a shame such a wonderful artist has to be harassed and berated by people. Just know there are still a lot of people who support you <3

Im deeply sorry that you had to deal with people who have no sense of manner, patience, or just common decency, hopefully I wish you will take your time and enjoy doing what you love instead of dealing with those who force you to suffering their intangible nagging and bullshit. I'll keep an eye out for your Ychs and I hope even there you get to express your dreams of art work. But please do take care of yourself and your desire to work art!