I'm debating if I should go myself, though it's more because of logistics in my case (my car won't make it and I can't really afford to get it fixed to where it can). The slamming doors and loud sex I only had to put up with one year actually, and I guess I'm a heavy enough sleeper that I was able to get back to sleep. The lack of friends issue is always fixable by just meeting more furs, though I've had that problem in past years when I go to the OKC Denny's meet and know like...maybe 3 or 4 people.

I gave up on ever seeing that tail fixed or a refund years ago, so I guess not seeing you there this year won't really affect that either way.

Ok, about that damn tail. I charged you $20 (which didn't even cover the fur cost btw) and made it exactly how you asked me to. I showed you progress pictures and everything but no...it wasn't good enough, so I offered to fix it for free, but then you basically wanted me to redo it in such a way that I would have to use all new fur, and you wanted me to do that for free. I didn't know how to please you then, and still don't because you say that you have given up on it, but yet you still bring it up every chance you get. So, how can I get you to shut up about that damn thing? Want a refund? Sure! Send me your PayPal and I will take more money out of my pocket to repay you for something that you underpaid for. But I don't care, I just want this to stop.

*blinks* Wow. You've had it for years. I see that's how you do business. You didn't give me any progress pictures (that is completely a lie and you know it), you presented a tail to me at WN that was so massive and heavy that it was hurting my back and pulling my pants down to wear, and now you're seriously playing the victim? What, 8? 10 years later?

I told you exactly how to please me, either fix the tail to where it's actually wearable (which you said you couldn't do without ruining it), replace it (I offered to pay the costs and you declined) or refund me. I didn't mince words, I was nothing but kind about it. YES, you gave me dimensions of what you'd planned out, dimensions I couldn't read (something like 10x20x10...like how am I supposed to interpret that without a pic for scale?) but that was it.

As I recall you actually got more like $30 for it, but whatever. You're lucky I didn't go to Artists Beware 8 years ago, like everyone suggested I do.

No, that's not how I do business. If you can pull up any of our messages I would appreciate it, because I can't find any of them. I even reopened my long lost Yahoo account.
And you weren't kind about it, I had to find out that you didn't like it from people that heard you complaining about it in the bathroom at Wild Nights. And I am pretty sure I have you progress pics as well as possibly even a picture of the pattern I made for it. But whatever, I am probably losing my mind or something. I will send you $20 unless you can find our messages that prove otherwise. I no longer have access to the PayPal that was used during the transaction so I can't look for myself.

The fact that I didn't say anything to your face, despite my obvious look of shock and disappointment, and then proceeded to not wear the tail for more than 10 minutes, should've spoke volumes. But yeah, I handed it back the next year because it had just sat in my room useless for anything more than a pillow, much like the first tail I'd bought.

As for progress pics and PayPal, nearly all of our conversations were handled via Notes I believe, and I recall paying you $20 in cash in person at the convention before getting the tail. I still don't recall any actual progress pics, just the measurements which as I said were quite vague. You actually had me take a pic to show it off. Like I said, the problem wasn't the workmanship (it was REALLY well-made) or the fur used or anything, just that it was far too wide and heavy for anyone to wear and seriously hurt my back to even try. But you're right, you gave me measurements and I said "Yeah, sure okay" so that's on me for just accepting the numbers given with no scale or knowledge of what they meant. It's the second tail I've ever had made and the second time I've been disappointed, which is why I still haven't bought another since.

You wonder why I keep bringing it up, well, you've actually made quite a few Notes over the years about getting sick, relationship problems, etc. and all of those seemed like really shitty times to mention it, and I didn't really want to have this drama aired publicly. But oh well, here we are.

I'm pretty sure all of our business-related exchanges were over FA Notes, but it's been so long that I don't recall many details. Either way, there's nothing in my archived Notes (which do run back to 2010) or in my G-mail. They seem to be lost to time.

I think a lot of this could've been handled better and I don't put everything on you, I'm not used to measurements when I read them and have to get tape measures and rulers out all the time IRL, since I don't work in crafts and don't just visualize something when it's told to me. If I'd actually got those progress pics you mention then I probably could've made the corrections as I got them, I mostly just remember you telling me how it was coming along. I didn't know you took a loss on the fur, but it begs the question of why you'd make anything at a loss unless it was purely to boost your reputation as a tail maker? It's hardly the customer's fault if you agree on a lower price and they don't know it.

Ok well, like I said a few comments ago, I am willing to send you the refund of $20 and let's just drop this. I am not admitting that I am fully in the wrong, nor am I saying you are either. Let's just both say we are wrong and leave it be.

That's what tents are for so you can park em where ever and not have to worry as much about slamming doors or people gettin their hump on. :P Pros and Cons though. And they still feed us there far better than the other con you have to admit, which towards the last bunch of years was mostly geared towards the Super Sponsors. WN still manages to give you breakfast, lunch and dinner and even shit in the middle of the night if one so wishes, so it's not all THAT bad girl. I'll give you the funds thing though, as that's always a toss up for anyone. I'm sorry you guys won't be going, but you do whatever you feel is best. There's always another con, another, meet, another time.

With the kind of weather that Wild Nights usually has we don't want to risk our tent leaking.
And I'm not saying they don't feed people, it's just too "fancy" for being a camping con. I really miss when Travis was the cook. I didn't ever go hungry when he was. And Varaleo has a pretty nasty allergy to onion and they are bad about forgetting it. Especially the alternate meal during the GOH dinner. I dunno though, I feel like this con is getting worse instead of better with age. And it upsets me because Wild Nights was "my" con. It was my first ever con. I had been with it since it began. But it just doesn't feel worth it anymore ya know?

Well, if they did just basics, hotdogs, burgers, then people would bitch and complain about that, so there's no winning there I guess. That is unfortunate about the onion thing. I always forget that's your boy who has that allergy, cause I hear about it each year, being murmured around the kitchen. There's also those couple odd rare ones that are allergic to celery that I always hear them mentioning as well.

These things come and go in how fun they are or aren't, like anything in life, some will be awesome and some will be meh. Old friends and fun groups stop going or are unable to and it starts to wear at that fun dynamic we get so used too, so I get it in that regard. Same way meets fluctuate in numbers and fun appeal.

The only thing I can agree with with the fella above is in way of one makes more friends in part by going to stuff, being active and building those bonds with new people that over time become new friends etc. But it's understandable why you two aren't feeling it this year.

There is an overall theme I'm hearing from many people of all different walks that I feel is showing a disturbing trend towards the kinds of neglect in areas that in part helped lead to Oklacon's eventual decline, years before it was even nuked. I hope to bring it up to them during one of their meetings cause aforementioned trend has been growing for awhile and although all these diff groups have diff gripes, they still share something in common that I think is being ignored.

We who go help make the con what it is, along with those who volunteer as well, so if we don't speak up more and sit back giving up, then if shit hits the fan in a real bad way we'll in part have ourselves to blame. We all care about this con so I say fight for it as much as we can. There's always other cons, other get togethers, but woof, I be rambling so I'ma leave it there. :p

That's true. And it's actually me that is allergic to celery v.v so we both don't get to eat very well.

In a way I feel like maybe I am getting too old or young...idk? Like, I don't fit in with all the meme loving, hip youngsters, but I also don't fit in with the grey muzzles either.

I have heard that common theme about it going the way of oklacon too and I can see it as well. Idk, there is still a possibility of us going, but I wouldn't count on it.

Yeah, I stopped going to WN a while ago. It just wasn't worth it to me. Sure, I love the idea of camping in the woods, but if I want to do that I can just camp in the woods. I loved going every year, because it felt special seeing as it was my first ever fur con. But nobody ever listened to me, including the volunteers (I was supposed to be on Staff, but I think they were just humoring me.), so I kind've lost the motivation to go back. That, and I hated forcing Joel or Craig to drive down to get me every year.

I'm sticking to Naka-Kon, now. I even cosplayed as Link this year, though I'll have a better outfit next year.

Yea, I missed seeing you there. And I know what you mean. It felt special to me too. But something about it has changed. Or I have, I dunno. I want to still love that con, but meh :(
Maybe one of these days I'll make it to Naka.

I don't think the con's changed, for me, it's just that I'm sick and tired of nobody listening to me. I suggested that they have regular meal times, and stop serving food after a certain time of day (stop serving breakfast after breakfast, stop serving lunch after lunch, etc.), because the poor S.O.B's in the kitchen washing dishes could be there until between 1-3am. I know, because I was one of those S.O.B's, and some nights I was there all by myself. I couldn't make anyone help me either, because, again, no authority.

The kitchen just kept serving food continuously, damn-near 24/7, and all of my attempts to get them to stop were just ignored. I'd crawl back to the staff cabin in pain most nights, because I had been on my feet all damn day. My only relief was if they were making something with onions, as I'm severely allergic to them, so I would be excused from the kitchen.

They finally stopped, the last I heard (I don't know if it's true or not, though), but only after someone else suggested it. As if I hadn't been saying the same damn thing every year I went.

~sighs~ I don't know. I still have fond memories of the con, but not enough of them to get me to return.

And yeah, I hope you can make it to Naka-Kon one of these years, it's a really cool con with good people and good events. There's not a year I go that I don't spend a day just watching anime until the wee hours of the morning. x3

thats why i stay in the same cabin as security. Dead quiet all night, and everyone is respectful <<;

Also, if you're after traditional gritty camping I suggest Furry Retreat in October, its tent camping- but it has only rained once in the four years it's been running.

It's not even technically a con, but we have community meals/ vibe going and all together it's really nice.