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7 years ago
Stop. I don't care. The comic isn't about you and your reading habits. This is about people in general and their reading habits in general. You didn't solve a difficult puzzle by being able to decipher slightly ambiguous panels, or because you for some reason prioritize reading order slightly differently than I said. You have disproved nothing, and in fact proved my point esp when other readers disagree with you.
The point is not "this is an impossible puzzle nobody can decipher", the point is removing all ambiguity where possible. Yeah it SEEMS like a minor thing to have someone read panels in an order that's slightly uncomfortable, or have to stop and change who they thought was saying dialogue than they started with, or to make the reader have to figure out they need to jump back and forth across a large gap in the panel in order to discover which line of dialogue is next.
But it's like proper spelling. CAN you read a book with a typo in every sentence? Sure, it's usually trivial to figure out what the author intends. But that's not the kind of work that should be put upon the reader when it can be so easily avoided.
The point is not "this is an impossible puzzle nobody can decipher", the point is removing all ambiguity where possible. Yeah it SEEMS like a minor thing to have someone read panels in an order that's slightly uncomfortable, or have to stop and change who they thought was saying dialogue than they started with, or to make the reader have to figure out they need to jump back and forth across a large gap in the panel in order to discover which line of dialogue is next.
But it's like proper spelling. CAN you read a book with a typo in every sentence? Sure, it's usually trivial to figure out what the author intends. But that's not the kind of work that should be put upon the reader when it can be so easily avoided.
I like learning these kinds of things because people have used these conventions for years, and it's common elements in an area of design.
But you know how people feel about typing correctly.
I've read enough comics (and graphic novels) over the years to know if I can't make sense of the speech bubble order, it puts me off reading much of it! Especially the ones i'm reading with my kids!
Okay guys, my comic is done! Come and read it! Imma start the next issue.
Guys?
Where is everybody?
Maybe people need to learn how to read.
Some people on the net are fettered, unwashed, hemroidal riddled, stinky, bleeding assholes.
I've seen it WAY too often that a content creator was so utterly convoluted with what they both drew and wrote, and instead blamed the readers for it.
Other than that, some folks just wanna watch the world burn, and will bring life to problems which were without the need to exist, simply because they're bored or feel like they need to prove a point to someone they most likely find superior to themselves.
Here's to hoping the fool's errand of trying to poke holes in your explanation of proper dialogue bubbles fades behind your mass of supporters who know better than to disregard your knowledge of the subject.
:P (Just kidding of course.) The net is full of crabs, trash, and old shoes. Might be better to toss it all back!
....but, but what about Bizarro World?
EDIT: And Nexus 6 Replicants? It's a well-known fact that they read from the bottom to the top.
That's how you can tell that they're Replicants
'That's how you can tell they're Replicants.
But.....'
;)
That is probably why most ancient writing systems, and most all of the earliest ones read from right to left, top to bottom. But if you're right handed, and you try to write right to left, the side of your hand smudges the letters. When cultures shifted from needing a few records that were kept and reused for extremely long periods of time, to needing lots of records for short periods of time, or shift to using parchment and ink, most go to writing left to right.
So, when reading, we are trained from a young age to take in words from left to right; but objects we still tend to take in right to left.
And honestly, there are other signifies that can override even that training. One is overlap: if a speech bubble overlaps another in a manner that it seems to be atop of it, our brains give that overlapping bubble more weight, as if it's closer to us. Some cartoonists use this trick to imply that there is an interruption or a character is shouting over another. This overlap even overrides "right to left" priority.
(And then I went over to your tumbler and babbled on at length about how long it took the pro comics industry to figure out this stuff.)
And I agree with your original submission. I too have noticed some of the points you made there, and it is jarring to read.
It's less "a work with a typo every sentence" and more "Not adhering to the damn high school/college grammar rules that made you think "Who are these idiots and why did someone put them in charge of 'proper grammar'?"
Seriously though, I don’t know if this helps but I really enjoyed your comic. I thought it was both interesting and cute.
You follow someone because you appreciate their art, that's fine, and perhaps they'll appreciate some feedback, but to expect them to listen to your nitpicking, to think that they need to change what they're doing because of your demands, is the very definition of being an entitled fanboy. This goes not only for comics but for TV shows, music, books, and movies as well. Entitled fanboys go back literally decades, but social media and the expectation it creates of instant gratification has made it a lot worse.
You come off as an ignorant, judgemental, entitled ingrate.
It wasn't some editorial piece inviting rebuttals; it was a free style guide based on established best practices. Arguing with it as some did is as stupid as arguing with a grammar book.
FA is goofing, this belongs as a response to http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:54801968 by
To actually do engineering work you need a bachelors or better in the field. You then need to pass a massive test called the Fundamentals of Engineer exam (FE). Before you do, all you can do is get coffee and translate the designs into CADD. Most students leave school and spend a year working while prepping for that test.
Your 30K number includes people who only get coffee. But it gets worse.
You still need to pass the Professional Engineer (PE) exam. You need to first work under someone who passed the PE for about 4 years; only able to get coffee, do drawings, and collect numbers/research for the engineer/architect. As you can guess, that's stuff an engineer can do themselves or get others without degrees to do, including people with no college education. And those tasks don't exactly make a lot of money for a company, so they are reluctant to hire people.
After those four years a person can finally take the PE exam. Suddenly they can actually do real work after they get their stamp. The mean for an architect around here is over $80k, almost triple the number you cited.
And did you really just make fun of someone who makes, before taxes, FICA contributions, and excluding his commissions and merchandise sales, about minimum wage from people just *LITERALLY THROWING COINS AT HIM* just cause they like his art? Let's see you do that, considering you haven't even posted a stick figure, and what's more *ASK FOR ART ADVICE!*
Go start drawing stuff that's good enough that people will want to throw money at you and then come back and you can have something to contribute to this conversation and as to whether or not Griffin is being bitchy or has a legitimate grievance for being flooded with unwarranted nitpicking.
This is why comics are good because the reader isn't supposed to be able to know what's going on under the hood--it's our job to lead them subliminally through our stories the best way that we can so their reading experience is unhindered by a lack of skill when it comes to telling them fluidly.
Sorry for the bastards being jerks; please do more tutorials!
It still sold millions.
As for me, the only way I can take any of it is if Gilbert Godfry reads it.