Drama
16 years ago
I'm going to start off by saying there's no real point to this journal entry - people will either nod their heads and mindlessly agree whether their behaviour reflects it or not; they'll -actually- agree in theory and in practice and didn't need to hear a dumb lecture about it; or the trolls and drama queens will TL;DR it and continue on their trolling and drama queening ways.
This journal will change nothing, but I'm writing it anyway.
I simply cannot stand drama. I loathe it, and I generally avoid it like the plague it is, spreading and infecting normally reasonable people and rendering them into gibbering, useless morons that are very likely only perpetuating the very problem they're arguing about.
I hate to sound cliche, but one must take care when fighting monsters lest ye become a monster - it's all good and well to stand up for what you believe in, to take a stand for a friend, but it's no good if you're just going to take up name-calling and verbal nausea composed largely of swears, or not even bother to understand the issue you're so fervently arguing about, and it's certainly no excuse to degenerate into an immature unreasonable idiot, no matter how righteous or justified your beliefs are.
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There's a lot of drama that goes on here, a lot of hatred and trolling between different groups thinking other groups are a disgrace to everyone, you furs make us furs look bad, and so on and so forth.
There's this really awesome club fetish night in my city. Anyone with any kind of fetish is welcome - the rules are to dress up in the theme of the fetish of your choice, normal clothing is not allowed, no actual manual, oral or penetrative sex is permitted, the usual no-harassing/abusing-others, and, oh, by entering these doors, you agree you're happy and accepting and cool with whatever you might see inside. If you don't like what you see, you're free to leave. It's very successful, and as far as fetishes go, very popular, and a lot of fun, simply because you can be whatever, and no one cares, and will just smile supportively at you.
FA is a little like that. The furry fandom encompasses an enormous variety of sub-fetishes and sub-cultures and sub-types. Some people complain about some of those sub-categories being a disgrace to the fandom, but whether they are or not is a little beside the point. The point is for all furries and people who like the fandom/art/whatever to feel welcome and, a little like the club, safe to express themselves within a reasonable limit.
The club had limits. You can't go around biting strangers just because you have a vampire fetish, but by all means, have a vampire fetish! Just keep it to yourself, and practice it where and how it's acceptable to practice it. Similarly, there are rules here - the art and stories here are assumed to be just that. Taking it to reality is considered sketchy and inviting of drama and discourse, and thus there are rules regarding what can be talked about in order to keep the peace. Keep the things that don't fit into the rules to yourself, and practice it where and how it's acceptable to practice it.
Don't QQ when you break the rules and then wonder why the admins are picking on you. Similarly, don't go around trolling the groups you don't like just because you think the inflationist furries are disgusting while you personally think vore is completely hot - it's just silly calling the kettle black in this case.
A lot of furries don't like the way they're seen by the rest of the world. Maybe it's because of all the drama and ridiculous infighting and immature behaviour? While it's of course not entirely to blame, I'm very certain it doesn't help in any way whatsoever.
The next time you go to bad mouth someone for making "your kind" look bad, just think about it for a few minutes first.
This journal will change nothing, but I'm writing it anyway.
I simply cannot stand drama. I loathe it, and I generally avoid it like the plague it is, spreading and infecting normally reasonable people and rendering them into gibbering, useless morons that are very likely only perpetuating the very problem they're arguing about.
I hate to sound cliche, but one must take care when fighting monsters lest ye become a monster - it's all good and well to stand up for what you believe in, to take a stand for a friend, but it's no good if you're just going to take up name-calling and verbal nausea composed largely of swears, or not even bother to understand the issue you're so fervently arguing about, and it's certainly no excuse to degenerate into an immature unreasonable idiot, no matter how righteous or justified your beliefs are.
* * *
There's a lot of drama that goes on here, a lot of hatred and trolling between different groups thinking other groups are a disgrace to everyone, you furs make us furs look bad, and so on and so forth.
There's this really awesome club fetish night in my city. Anyone with any kind of fetish is welcome - the rules are to dress up in the theme of the fetish of your choice, normal clothing is not allowed, no actual manual, oral or penetrative sex is permitted, the usual no-harassing/abusing-others, and, oh, by entering these doors, you agree you're happy and accepting and cool with whatever you might see inside. If you don't like what you see, you're free to leave. It's very successful, and as far as fetishes go, very popular, and a lot of fun, simply because you can be whatever, and no one cares, and will just smile supportively at you.
FA is a little like that. The furry fandom encompasses an enormous variety of sub-fetishes and sub-cultures and sub-types. Some people complain about some of those sub-categories being a disgrace to the fandom, but whether they are or not is a little beside the point. The point is for all furries and people who like the fandom/art/whatever to feel welcome and, a little like the club, safe to express themselves within a reasonable limit.
The club had limits. You can't go around biting strangers just because you have a vampire fetish, but by all means, have a vampire fetish! Just keep it to yourself, and practice it where and how it's acceptable to practice it. Similarly, there are rules here - the art and stories here are assumed to be just that. Taking it to reality is considered sketchy and inviting of drama and discourse, and thus there are rules regarding what can be talked about in order to keep the peace. Keep the things that don't fit into the rules to yourself, and practice it where and how it's acceptable to practice it.
Don't QQ when you break the rules and then wonder why the admins are picking on you. Similarly, don't go around trolling the groups you don't like just because you think the inflationist furries are disgusting while you personally think vore is completely hot - it's just silly calling the kettle black in this case.
A lot of furries don't like the way they're seen by the rest of the world. Maybe it's because of all the drama and ridiculous infighting and immature behaviour? While it's of course not entirely to blame, I'm very certain it doesn't help in any way whatsoever.
The next time you go to bad mouth someone for making "your kind" look bad, just think about it for a few minutes first.
FA+

I definitely understand the concerns regarding bestiality, but as far as a for-fun fantasy/fetish interest goes, it's just as valid and no more "perverted" as any other kinky fantasy. As I said, I kinda think in the world of kinky fantasies, you can't go around calling each other "perverted" or "gross," as I said. Whose to say that bestiality is more or less "dirty" than bondage, or tentacle monsters, or necrophilia, or vore, or watersports.
They're all "dirty" in their own ways :b That's kind of the idea, isn't it? Just with some, people find it hot, and some people find it disgusting. That's fair enough, but I don't know why it's so hard to not look at/read something if you don't like it.
I personally am a big fan of the "So long as everyone involved is okay with what's going on, whatever floats your boat!" attitude :P
What I don't like is if I do like things in a non-fantasy way, that all of a sudden I am some horrible monster who abuses animals ect. Yes I am not being 100% forward with what I am saying, simply cause I don't want to get banned...which is really ridiculous considering the other fetishes that can be talked about and named.
As for not being 100% forward, that's probably wise for anyone and everyone. If everyone told people about all the "bad" things they've ever done, everyone would probably be scared of each other :V
I still disapprove of any and all trolling. I remember one time I was having problem with one particular hater that was trolling my page, and I specifically asked people to not go trolling her in return, just because it's no help whatsoever, although I appreciated the support :b
Just recall I'm not advocating/supporting/encouraging bestiality or anything like that by any means. I'm just asking people to think about their argument for why it's "wrong" and to not be a screaming idiotic troll about it, because highly charged words like "bestiality" and "pedophilia" while often inviting of abusive instances, are not always immediately so, and people have to realise that. Something might be TECHNICALLY beast, or TECHNICALLY pedophilia, but completely nonabusive, completely accidental, completely consensual, whatever, that makes the instance a little more complicated and less easy to judge with a "DUR IT'S WRONG."
I'm with you on the "whatever floats your boat" attitude. If I don't like something, I just don't look at it. No need to leave harassing comments.
Although I kinda respect people who'll say, "Actually, I don't really like this." Most people just throw compliments and/or agreements when they post things, but when someone "goes against the grain" and disagrees or whatever, it's kinda neat.
I mean, provided they aren't a troll about it. It's the difference between saying "ur work sucks" and saying "The anatomy of the arm is a little off near the elbow, and the fur texture is under-developed if you desired realism."
I guess the journal can be even further generalized to: unreasonable people should stop being unreasonable. :V
I dont even need to say anything else. =D
DeviantArt is worse though... I had to create a new secret account to escape the drama from my old one DX I submitted a drawing of my inner animal and someone called me a "damn furry" and that my art was terrible because of it. I strongly dislike trolls <- -">
As for Drama Queens... I know a few... And, unfortunately, I'm a magnet for drama, so it seems - or at least where I live. I hate drama, who doesn't? It's a parasitic mental-brain-matter-eating plague that engulfs minds and munches on little children. What ever happened to peace? (not to sound hippie-cliche, of course!)
"I submitted a drawing of my inner animal and someone called me a "damn furry" and that my art was terrible because of it. I strongly dislike trolls"
1) There are plenty of valid arguments for being an artist that draws furry does not equal a furry, and/or that being a furry does not equal "being an immature idiot that likes to dress up as a lingerie-wearing hybrid cartoon animal and thinks the idea of humping a dog is hot."... although being a troll, they probably wouldn't listen. You could have just ignored/hidden the comment, and if they continued trolling you, you can report them and get them banned. I had a troll once, just one, and I had to ban her multiple times before she finally left me alone, but she DID leave me alone. It was actually kinda funny. She was basically trying to prove a point and called me a coward for hiding the comments, so I left a few up... and then people starting reading them, and calling her on how little sense it made :b
2) Anyone who tries to argue that an artist is bad because he doesn't like the subject matter is being an idiot. They're not worth your time. Don't feed the trolls. Just ignore them!
I dunno, a lot of people like drama. They like getting caught up in heated arguments and being part of an angry (stupid) mob. They wouldn't necessarily call it "drama" or "trolling" but rather "standing up" for something or whathaveyou.
I used to be friends with this one girl. She was such a horrible drama queen. I mean, she didn't get involved in much actual drama, but every emotion she felt was a bloody gong show. One day it'd be, "I'M IN THE DEPTH OF DESPAIR - THERE IS NAUGHT IN THE WORLD THAT CAN PIERCE MY DARKNESS" complete with sweeping dramatic arm movements and putting her wrist daintily and dramatically to her forehead, and the VERY NEXT DAY, it'd be something like, "LOVE CAN DO ANYTHING!!!!!!!! 8DDDDDDD" with an insufferably idiotically happy grin plastered on her face, and a skip to her step, and she'd go up to everyone and exciting shake their arm and tell them about the wonders of love.
It was AWFUL. A lot of us kinda tried to avoid her after she became a drama queen :b
I replied to the dude to leave me alone, then I blocked him and reported him. That seemed to work out well for ya XD
One of them is on dA... She started the drama that's happening now. Everyone is mad at her now o.o
Sounds like someone I know :P
not much more to say XD nice journal!
Often it's better to just say nothing at all until it passes.
I like this.
I mean, I'd be an idiot if I said something like, "YA SO I SHOT MY FRIEND THE OTHER DAY, HE WAS ANNOYING ME LOL" and then wonder why everyone was flaming me. It may have been a complete joke, you shot him with silly string to the face or something, but yeah. You're just asking for trouble if you say obviously inflammatory or provocative or illegal things :b
Somehow I've managed to avoid drama even while it's happening around me.
So, good for you! Count yourself lucky ;)
I always thought bestiality was a touchy subject, but that's mainly because I see my own dog act and react like a three year old child (developmentally) most of the time so the thought of it kind of makes me feel more protective of him as a "child" than thinking of him as an adult dog.
However if people want to write about animals as being sentient and making their own decisions regarding it, then whatever. I don't have a problem with that part of it. Even writing about them as non-sentient creatures is... well, it's just writing, right? Not the actual practice of it. *shrug* At least that's my opinion... I'm sure there are lots of people who disagree with me on it.
And yeah, bestiality IS a touchy subject, just like pedophilia. They were both even accepted culturally for a time/place, but obviously there are tons of possible complications and bad things that can happen. But yeah, there are cases that are completely or mostly harmless. Like say you take off all your clothes one hot summer day and take a nap on your couch, and you wake up to your dog licking your genitals, and because you're hot and lazy and you fall back asleep, you let him. OH NOES does that mean you're abusing your animal? Probably not :b Or if you're 18 and dating a 15 year old, I think in some places that's TECHNICALLY pedophilia, but really, I'm sure it's just the usual teenager romance/dating drama thing playing out. Leave 'em alone unless the 18 is being a douche, or the 15 seems upset about things. It's certainly nothing warranting an arrest, even though both are technically illegal in some places.
At the same time, though, of course, you're kinda stupid if you openly talk about doing things yourself like that, and then wonder why you have trolls and admins on your case the next day. You were asking for it, you got it.
But yeah, as far as art and writing goes, it's just fantasy. If it's based on something that happened in real life, we don't need to know, and you're looking for trouble if you talk about it if it happened in real life. As I said to someone else, I believe, good sexual fantasies are kinda supposed to be a little deviant, a little "dirty", aren't they, or at least a little shocking, maybe. That's fine.
Of course, some people won't like it. I don't like anything to do with scat or watersports, for instance, but for people who do? Fine, sure, knock yourselves out. No need for me leaving nasty comments.
:) I wish more people had attitudes like that. It could be the grossest (in my opinion) thing but I'd still be happy for them, as it were.
And awesome, I've never actually BEEN to Sin City, but I really like the idea, and it kind of makes me proud that something like that exists and is accepted by so many. I like that Van is a liberal city, at least when it comes to sexuality.
I'm already looking forward to going to the Taboo Sex Show again :b I want to get body painted again! :D
While naturally I'm not into EVERYthing I might run across in there, or might never want to try out the dungeon, I think it's really awesome and supportive to have an environment like that. If people don't like it, they leave, or get kicked out :b and everyone else is happy.
I learned about it while going to the Taboo Sex Show that tours around west/midwest Canada (they bring a mini dungeon with them). It's really awesome. Everyone there is so open and friendly and supportive and mature about things. If you're ever around the area, I'd suggest going with a few like-minded friends or your mate, it's a lot of fun.
What with the Atlantic and all. The problem about things like these are that they're so damned hard to sniff out, you know?
I'm sure there's something similar in Stockholm, but I'll be damned if I know how to root it out.
Heh, of course, there are the ridiculous shock artists that even ruin that. Like the goldfish-in-a-blender display that's supposed to comment on the results of human curiosity and assumptions, and the people who starve or abuse animals until they die as an a documentary of suffering, or this one artist who used to purchase animals from pet stores, mutilate them, and then arrange their body parts as art "as commentary on the human hypocrisy" (about how we'll eat meat or buy leather couches, but be appalled at her art, which isn't exactly valid, but you sorta get her point).
But yeah, more-or-less harmless writing and art that's supposedly being viewed by adults should be handled like adults. Maturely. You don't see people trying to shut down appropriately-rated movies because they depict fictional murders or rapes or torture or suicide. Of course some topics are sketchy, but when it comes to -sexual- fiction, of course it's going to be sketchy!
"what right do I have to say that your imagination is "wrong." It's silly. "
Mmhmm. I mean, you can not like it, that of course is fine! But I mean, don't read a ten page story on incest, and then leave a nasty comment. Just don't read the damn thing!
My thoughts on the matter:
http://www.furaffinity.net/journals.....mm/#jid:902927
(looks up QQ) Hafta remember that one. :D
Someone referred to a post they made that's applicable here. Basically, it's good and fine to have certain subjects you write/draw about, but you don't have to make it a public part of your life. Okay, um, fine, you like being peed on, and you do lots of watersports art. It doesn't mean you have to scream in everyone's faces "LOL I LIKE PEE" - of course some people are going to get upset at you :b No one likes an obnoxious loud person looking for attention.
But you sorta know the type. To give a worse example, someone who draws bad babyfur art and then giggles publicly about how they like to poop in their diapers and lolololol it's so cute when daddy changes them after... and then they boo and cry and wonder why people are making fun of them for it.
People who basically throw their private lives into other people's faces in the most obnoxious ways ever, then get all emo and upset when people start saying nasty things back to them.