Patreon or SubscribeStar? What do you think?
6 years ago
Hello everyone!
As I said in the previous journal, I wanted to make this new journal to talk about the choice of websites to support my very ambitious comic project.
So, if you didn't read the previous journal (the monthly news of July 2019), I may plan to open a Patreon or SubscribeStar probably in coming August.
As a reminder, what I would suggest is not an exclusivity for all the pages of my comic on those websites, but an early-release (4 weeks earlier for the highest Tiers) with some bonus in the highest of highest Tier: Coloured pages instead of Black & White and highest resolution available.
Only the pages of new chapter's opening may be available in public websites in colour.
So, about the Tiers, what would I suggest?
Well, here comes my first idea:
Of course, we can still discuss about it. From what I compared from other artists, I think it should be fair enough, but if you have any other opinions, do not hesitate to tell me.
Then, we go to the final question: Patreon? Or SubscribeStar?
Apparently, from what I heard, the only difference between Patreon and SubscribeStar, financially talking, is that SubscribeStar can't accept payments via PayPal. I guess we should use Bank cards instead, or other kind of payments online...
BUT, I heard serious rumours saying that Patreon is unable to judge a NSFW content properly. They can delete a NSFW picture for any stupid reason as long as it's not an extremely vanilla sexual intercourse displayed in. And they have a very particular and personnal opinion about what is consensual or not, probably ignoring what a "kink" is by definition.
If you ignore the story, recently, Patreon decided to ban NSFW content implying hypnosis, sissyfication, some kind of bondage, etc...
In theory, this should not be a problem for me, since I'm still quite soft in what I draw. The most hardcore things I can draw are bondage and chastity.
Though, in my comic project, I won't spoil it, but I can say that the 1st NSFW bonus chapter is at the limit of a consented situation... but is of course consented or I wouldn't intend to draw it.
However, will Patreon accept that "it is consented or I wouldn't draw it" excuse?
Probably not.
Plus, my comic could display in the future some violence and sexual slavery. Of course, it will be censored and displayed as something horrible. Like the scene in Berserk when Guts gets raped while he was a kid. I wouldn't go as extreme as this scene is, but I would make sure this kind of scene would be censured. For the good sake of moral ethic.
However, if that's censored, will Patreon accept this kind of pages to be submitted in their websites?
Maybe not.
So, in the end, SubscribeStar seems to be a better choice, since I heard that most of the NSFW artists with content banned by Patreon are going there and that they are more tolerant, mature and open-minded about kinks.
But... that's where I need your opinion.
What do you think about SubscribeStar? Is it really a good alternative to Patreon?
Should I try to give a chance to Patreon though?
Please, feel free to share your opinion with me, so I can make sure everyone can be happy.
Have a nice day everyone! =)
As I said in the previous journal, I wanted to make this new journal to talk about the choice of websites to support my very ambitious comic project.
So, if you didn't read the previous journal (the monthly news of July 2019), I may plan to open a Patreon or SubscribeStar probably in coming August.
As a reminder, what I would suggest is not an exclusivity for all the pages of my comic on those websites, but an early-release (4 weeks earlier for the highest Tiers) with some bonus in the highest of highest Tier: Coloured pages instead of Black & White and highest resolution available.
Only the pages of new chapter's opening may be available in public websites in colour.
So, about the Tiers, what would I suggest?
Well, here comes my first idea:
Tier 1 - Minimal Pass
1 $ per month for non pornographic pages
1.20 $ per month to see everything
You will get Black & white pages 1 week after the Highest Tiers and 3 weeks before it will be released publicly.
Tier 2 - Early Pass
2.20 $ per month for non pornographic pages
2.50 $ per month to see everything
You will get Black & White pages
Tier 3 - Prism Pass
4 $ per month for non pornographic pages
4.50 $ per month to see everything
You will get coloured pages in the highest resolutionOf course, we can still discuss about it. From what I compared from other artists, I think it should be fair enough, but if you have any other opinions, do not hesitate to tell me.
Then, we go to the final question: Patreon? Or SubscribeStar?
Apparently, from what I heard, the only difference between Patreon and SubscribeStar, financially talking, is that SubscribeStar can't accept payments via PayPal. I guess we should use Bank cards instead, or other kind of payments online...
BUT, I heard serious rumours saying that Patreon is unable to judge a NSFW content properly. They can delete a NSFW picture for any stupid reason as long as it's not an extremely vanilla sexual intercourse displayed in. And they have a very particular and personnal opinion about what is consensual or not, probably ignoring what a "kink" is by definition.
If you ignore the story, recently, Patreon decided to ban NSFW content implying hypnosis, sissyfication, some kind of bondage, etc...
In theory, this should not be a problem for me, since I'm still quite soft in what I draw. The most hardcore things I can draw are bondage and chastity.
Though, in my comic project, I won't spoil it, but I can say that the 1st NSFW bonus chapter is at the limit of a consented situation... but is of course consented or I wouldn't intend to draw it.
However, will Patreon accept that "it is consented or I wouldn't draw it" excuse?
Probably not.
Plus, my comic could display in the future some violence and sexual slavery. Of course, it will be censored and displayed as something horrible. Like the scene in Berserk when Guts gets raped while he was a kid. I wouldn't go as extreme as this scene is, but I would make sure this kind of scene would be censured. For the good sake of moral ethic.
However, if that's censored, will Patreon accept this kind of pages to be submitted in their websites?
Maybe not.
So, in the end, SubscribeStar seems to be a better choice, since I heard that most of the NSFW artists with content banned by Patreon are going there and that they are more tolerant, mature and open-minded about kinks.
But... that's where I need your opinion.
What do you think about SubscribeStar? Is it really a good alternative to Patreon?
Should I try to give a chance to Patreon though?
Please, feel free to share your opinion with me, so I can make sure everyone can be happy.
Have a nice day everyone! =)
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Maybe true though... I can't say. Never heard of that until now...
Thank's for this information though.
And yeah, I noticed... Everything with Pepper... beastiality...
Well, tbh, first, there was this story with Animatics that gave me the same feeling, and then, I heard more about banned NSFW content just 2 days ago and yesterday...
So... this is why I made that journal and ask about SubscribeStar... Quite sure I will post my content in there...
Although, maybe I should ask Animatics why he didn't try to go to SubscribeStar as well... with all the problems he met with Patreon... The fear to loose most of his Patreon cause SubscribeStar is less used, maybe?