they is pushing their luck

Yeah... lot of games companies of late just seeing how insane they can push this shit and seeing what idiots will put up with... it's what made me quite playing Heroes of the Storm/Overwatch: I realized how fucking exploitative the entire "loot box" system they've created for those games is. IE: filling them with infinitely replaceable quantities of trash which is basically confetti and one ina while you MIGHT get something you actually want.

Yea, I dunno if it is because I'm older and have experienced more games/games before they became so fragmented, but its becoming utterly insane. I've watched a single package, an entire game with all the weapons, costumes, items, armors ect, become a shell of what they were, cut up and sold in pieces.

Things that used to come as part of your original purchase have been taken out and become the day 1 cosmetics. While the ones you can get for free in game, are sub par in comparison. Alot of the more recent skins I have seen are so cheap as well... Fallout 4 had some halloween outfits that were literally an orange background and a photoshop paint bat brush applied on the armor. Some of the skins don't even match the edges/areas on the mesh, misaligned like they used a quick pattern tool and colored it. And the "Tiers" of the skins as well. Battle frazzled, slightly fucked, scuffed and mint. All that is is just 1 paintjob with it just progressively erased for the shitty tiered ones. Taking 1 skin and diluting an RNG lootbox with 4/5 more variations of it.

Destiny 1 had the problem of a mission/level being in a closed beta test of the game, then cut out and resold as DLC even though it was in the working base of the game. Fallout 4; I'm dead sure ALL the wastelander workshop DLC's were ripped from the base game, along with Vaultec and Automatron as well. Anthem had an abysmal weapons roster, building off of 1/2 'core' platforms and adding tape or a wooden panel over the barrel and such, promising to be a "Looter shooter" when all the loot is the same 2 models reskinned with effects. PLUS the armors and such that were in the demo/videos that weren't in the base game.

More and more the games are being built, half finished and released with markets that contain base game items. The rest of the game is added in later on through patches or 'roadmaps'. Fallout 76 has more effort in the MT shop than the game itself. Relying on a "I'll pay you tuesday for a hamburger today" method and some times never even paying you later.

Erf... I'm just sick of getting 1/2 a game and the other half is DLC with outrageous prices... And with games that think a 20$ pallet swap paint job is a 'good' MT, macro transaction. Games that are far too often concerned with "How much can we get out of it" instead of "How much can we put into it"

I'm really thinking of taking a game hiatus. I've replayed alot of my older games and feel like I have gotten all the enjoyment I can from them. Sadly the newer stuff is just alot of what I have stated above and I have no interest in buying a 60$ game, having 60-120$ in DLC & Passes, THEN an infinite number of MT's you can buy. THEN, then, then, You have to do the same thing NEXT year when the new one comes out. Its more than clear a majority of game companies are more interested in making money, not games.

Yeah... I can count the number of developers that are actually delivering "finished" products on launch on one hand... Nintendo being the only "big" one that leaps to m ind. And even they've tripped up in places... but otherwise it seems to have been a race to the bottom: every publisher trying to see how little they can put out and still charge full price on entry. Like: I remember when secret levels, costumes, exotic guns and shit were all included in games and you'd get them for PLAYING... you know: in the N64-Gamecube-PS2-era of gaming... To say nothing of PC.

I don't know what category of games you like, but have you ever played "Just Shapes and Beats"? Or even Minecraft? (modded of course) Both are one-time-buys.. and unless you want specific 'skins' on certain facets of it (bedrock edition) or maps, its basically free!

you know as furries we built what people understand as the internet and made the .com bubble create most of the video games out today we just dont own the company's why dont we just make one of our own cut out the rich greedy assholes

They're trying to beat Bethesda on that "100 to 0 reputation" speedrun. Lookin' good so far.

Konami must be the tortoise of that race: going down-hill for years but hot damn is everything they were once lauded for garbage now.

Two words: Electronic Arts.

No, EA aren't the "slow and steady" decline sort to win the race: they're the fucking Tyranids: acquire a studio and then strip it of all life, leaving only a hollowed out husk.

Gotta love dat capitalism

Hardheartedly and fully agreeing with you. I hate "modern" games that aren't the finished product. Older PC games were complete games, and we could maybe get a patch for it to add just a little extra, bonus content. If companies wanted to make more money of the same game, they had to make an expansion for it, with fresh and exciting content.

I don't count cosmetics, micro transactions, and basically any content, that takes power away from the player/buyer. If I buy a full priced game, I expect it to be complete. The last two games I bought were Diablo 3, and it's "expansion", even if I knew, that they were faaaaaaar away from Diablo 2 and it's expansion, Lord of Destruction's entertainment level. D3 is it what it is, but they cut content after the games was out with taking out the Auction House, which was an advertised feature. Also the DRM stuff just silly, with the console version you are able to play it offline. Silly decisions, which are either good or bad, but still I feel that the buyers are entitled to either use the AH or play online, if they want just as in D2...

The only new-game on mobile I play is made by Capital Games (which is employed-ish by Disney and EA), Star Wars: Galaxy of Heroes...micro transaction fest. But I am F2P there so, I just need to hard.ignore any transaction popups, and counters, and I can proceed slowly, which is all fine by me, since I have time. But now, a new player must grind 1 year just to be sorta-competitive and be use to it's guild...they gave out a starter pack for $100 which only gives you 50 maxed character out from the current 10-ish, but you still have to grind for gear and more for most of them, which could still take half a year....for $100. EA+Disney, nuf'n more said.

What you mentioned are all true as well. Most game making companies are simply just way greedy and not really caring about making a game that satisfies the buyer fully. A sad thing.

There's a so-so solution for now tho': Play Remastered HD stuff, since the old games are usually more pleasing and the full experience. I have like 20-ish remastered HD titles on my PC currently, and guess what!...Every one delivers full satisfaction!

Having similar feelings about Paradox DLC, specifically Stellaris since that's the one I have. The large DLCs that cost around $20 each don't seem like they add that much content, compared to similarly priced expansions for games like Civ.

And god forbid you criticize Paradox's DLC policy. Plenty of people will come out of the woodwork to tell you that they need it to make money because they're a tiny indie company and that their DLC policy is great, even though their games seem to have a decent amount of popularity and they usually have more than $100 worth of DLC each. Game companies were financially viable in the pre-DLC era when they released substantial expansion packs so I'm not really buying the whole "they need lots of DLC to stay afloat" explanation.

That's not even mentioning the recent overhauls to Stellaris' features that have made the AI worse because it doesn't understand how to work with them effectively or at all, or core features being commented out as #TODO on release last year because they wanted to push an update + DLC out before the Christmas holidays.

Heh; you think Paradox's DLC is bad... look up The Sims 3 or Train Simulator some time...

Heh, yeah I've heard about the Train Simulator one having $1000+ DLC, although as a train enthusiast myself I can probably explain that one. They are catering to a very diverse audience and aren't actually expecting anyone to buy all of it. Most train enthusiasts have an interest in a specific area and time period or are trying to model a specific railway line, so they'll only buy DLC that's relevant. So someone who is interested in steam trains in 1940s England isn't going to buy the DLC for Japanese bullet trains and North American railways in the 80s, just UK steam trains, so they'll probably ignore the other $900 of DLC. Most of them will want to create an authentic experience and won't mix and match content that would never have actually interacted in reality.

Fair enough; but doesn't make the practice itself any less shite... To compare with my own experience: I've been wanting to build something specific in Planet Coaster for ages, but their glorified parts packs NEVER go on sale, and are upward of 20 Canadian a pop. I don't want "all" of them for the idea; but I would want at least 2 or 3 for it... but that's the cost of an entire other game.

Yeah I definitely agree that value for money is a big problem with DLC. I'd be fine with forking over $20 for an old fashioned expansion pack with some meat to it, but not something which has like 5 bullet points of minor features and only one major new feature.

Ah yes, the classic non-f2p game using f2p microtransaction prices. The most annoying part is, they wouldn't be doing it if it didn't make them a crap ton of money, there always seems to be enough people willing to throw money at them for these kinds of things :/

considering the fact they threw their lot with epic games store just like randy bitchfork, this does not surprise me at all