Website design question about gallery display
5 years ago
Hello! I'm making a website for furry artists that I hope will combine the useful features of Twitter, Tumblr, and FA. I have my own ideas about the timeline and how to make good tagging viable, but I'm wondering what approach to take for the gallery itself. Here are the possible approaches I'm thinking of.
1. A post can have up to 5 images. (Or files - for pdfs, audio, etc.) Folders can have an unlimited number of posts within them. Tags are on a per-post level. As an example, say an artist makes a post with 2 images, one of them a picture focusing on paws and the other a picture focusing on vore. A user searching for paws would see the post with both images, unless they had vore blacklisted, in which case they would not see either image. (I.e. the system would not be able to tell that only one image had the blacklisted tag, and would hide the other along with it.)
2. A post may only contain one file, and a folder may contain any number of posts. Tags are on a per-post level. Basically, the way FA does things. This alleviates the problem of users missing out on things they want to see because they have an extensive blacklist, but loses a useful artist feature in being able to display two images directly alongside one another as they can on Twitter.
3. A post may have an unlimited number of images, and there is no concept of a folder (because a post *is* essentially a folder.) In effect, this is the same as option 2, but with some additional effort in the UI to encourage viewers of one post to see the rest of them. Undecided as to whether individual images or whole posts would be hidden based on blacklist settings. (I think the most likely scenario in this case is that blacklisted images would be covered up, or greyed out, with a "click to show" feature.)
As users of this site, I expect that option 2 is the most familiar to you, but I'd still like to know any thoughts or alternative ideas you have on the subject.
1. A post can have up to 5 images. (Or files - for pdfs, audio, etc.) Folders can have an unlimited number of posts within them. Tags are on a per-post level. As an example, say an artist makes a post with 2 images, one of them a picture focusing on paws and the other a picture focusing on vore. A user searching for paws would see the post with both images, unless they had vore blacklisted, in which case they would not see either image. (I.e. the system would not be able to tell that only one image had the blacklisted tag, and would hide the other along with it.)
2. A post may only contain one file, and a folder may contain any number of posts. Tags are on a per-post level. Basically, the way FA does things. This alleviates the problem of users missing out on things they want to see because they have an extensive blacklist, but loses a useful artist feature in being able to display two images directly alongside one another as they can on Twitter.
3. A post may have an unlimited number of images, and there is no concept of a folder (because a post *is* essentially a folder.) In effect, this is the same as option 2, but with some additional effort in the UI to encourage viewers of one post to see the rest of them. Undecided as to whether individual images or whole posts would be hidden based on blacklist settings. (I think the most likely scenario in this case is that blacklisted images would be covered up, or greyed out, with a "click to show" feature.)
As users of this site, I expect that option 2 is the most familiar to you, but I'd still like to know any thoughts or alternative ideas you have on the subject.
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Could a folder contain a folder? Because then maybe you could do dual posts, depending on how a sub-folder is built.
In the end, if you have this problem, you're going to just use it as though it were option 2 anyways. So, I guess it's harmless to make it that way... but I feel like a lot of people would have a good reason to not even use the feature, and you'll have wasted your time implementing it.
It's an interesting idea, but I personally don't like it.
If I'm understanding right, 1 is Tumblr/Twitter style, 2 is old-school gallery site style. 3 makes no sense to me.
Neither is really better in abstract, it's a question of what kind of site you're making. "Social" sites are good for discoverability. Gallery sites are good for having easy access to everything an artist has done once you know they exist. Trying to do either on the wrong site is a nightmare. Imagine trying to find a specific image an artist did a year ago on Twitter or Tumblr. Discoverability is so bad on FA I wrote my own script for it.
I don't think you can really do both, because they're pulling at the rope from opposite ends. You could maybe do both side by side and then integrate between them, but that sounds like a nightmare for a new project just trying to get off the ground. Which means picking one, and if I had to pick, I'd go with gallery site, #2. You're not going to compete with Twitter, but you might be able to make a better FA.
But then you're entering a desert strewn with the bones of those who have gone before. Weasyl, Inkbunny, artPLZ, SheezyArt, Yerf. People have been trying to make a decent gallery site for a long, long time and it always falls apart because:
1. Websites cost money. Even more now that Cloudflare is a given cost. This is harder than people realize.
2. Websites require a carefully thought out modding policy and mods to enforce it. Lots of them. That will stay professional and work for almost nothing. This is harder than people realize.
3. Trying to host cartoon pornography puts you on constant thin ice with whoever your hosting provider is. Same with your payment processor. This is harder than people realize. Maybe even harder after Operation Choke Point.
4. First-mover advantage. Say a genie makes you a website better than FA. Right now, done, zero cost, already hosted and ready to go. There's still a good chance it fails. Because everyone's already using FA, and they're going to keep using it, despite the flaws, BECAUSE everyone's already using FA. It's like inertia, or gravity. It's a chicken and egg thing. No one wants to be the first one to move to a website no one else is using. This is much harder (to solve) than people realize.
I'd love to see a replacement to FA, and honestly believe a modest improvement/update would be fairly trivial for someone who actually cares about user experience and has their head screwed on right. But making a good product isn't the hard part. 1-4 up there are the hard part. What are your plans for those?
Patreon isn't even worth trying. They have a whole briar patch of "yes but"s when it comes to adult content, and trying to accommodate their swiss-cheese policy would almost instantly make the site unusable. As you may be aware, for example, any adult content involving hypnosis is already banned there. If you were going to try a crowd-funding/donation approach, SubscribeStar is probably the only workable option, but that comes with its own issues, as it still seems a bit sketchy.
Hosting on a big corporate cloud solution like GCP or AWS sounds great, until you realize there are a lot of nasty, terrible people in and adjacent to the fandom. We're not just talking about ordinary teenager ddos attacks here. Just by trying to run a decent furry porn site, you will piss these people off, and once pissed off they will take to Twitter to form incendiary mis-information campaigns to harass Google, Amazon etc until they drop you. e621 nearly went offline years ago (Pre-Bad Dragon buyout) because one artist got pissed over how they were handling his pictures and threatened a media shitstorm over them having cub porn on the site. Careful and foreward-thinking moderation and policies help this somewhat, but you're still going to run into these people eventually.
As far as the impossibility of running/hosting a furry porn site in general, the only reason FA continues to exist is that it's grandfathered in and, again, benefits from first mover. The last furry gallery site to actually have some success was Inkbunny, which launched a decade ago. If FA had to launch for the first time now, even pre-corona virus, it probably wouldn't stand a chance. 2020 Internet is a very different world to early 00s Internet.
All that said, I'm not trying to be negative. I'd love to have a decent art site. But know what you're up against. Just trying to start an independent website is much harder than it used to be, and making that site a furry porn gallery means you have to harden it against a bunch of additional threats. If you're up for that, more power to you. I hope it comes together.